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Vivo Diez said:
With so many veteran players, you think the game would be more on course. Something doesn't smell right :ntban

@Cooler do you have any time for reads? You're the only one that's objectively cleared as town to everyone.
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Well the two/three scum players are super comfortable with me and Nat as wagons, no ones coming in to change it.

Tinky might not be much of a threat because of what Usopp said, so I'm leaning towards Shrike now.
 
Shrike said:
What double standard? He was sused and his excuses were shady. She was pressing for more with good reason. You people are pressing her for no reason besides not reading the game.
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I am reading the game now.

I feel unseasy about this hard defence and hard buddying from Shrike on Natalija.

TheAncientCenturion said:
It's between Kue, Tinky or Nat for me for scum.

Vivo is probably the next more scummy after that. Usopp claimed jailer and I'm feeling confident in that claim.
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Why do you find Natalija suss?
 
Kue said:
Shrike said I used it twice in the same day phase, but it was once per day phase. Nope, it gives me no information.
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So it failed on Melkor?

Kue said:
Well the two/three scum players are super comfortable with me and Nat as wagons, no ones coming in to change it.

Tinky might not be much of a threat because of what Usopp said, so I'm leaning towards Shrike now.
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Nat's responses to me were really stupid for no reason so she forced my hand to vote for her.
 
tinky winky said:
"I never said I found LM sus day one?"
great so why was he your target last dp ......

I think you faked being inactive cause you apparently submitted actions in the day
when you were barely even here.
am not kvothe
want to prove it
vote me up and gets votes on me
you will get a good mafia lesson now and stop comparing me to other players.
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@tinky winky I think Kue has a point here, if you read his day 1 posts he was sussing me so I can buy him using day actions on me.

@Kue, you do not want to say what are your day actions, are you a vote stealer?

I like Kue a little more after his recent posts, @Cooler @Vivo Diez what do you think?
 
Shrike said:
At this point I am back to the same shit as D1 - I only trust 2 people.

I am 100% sure Natalija is town unless she is being the best scum ever. Cooler is another but he is dead and has no vote power.

I will wait with more observations. I want to hear from Kue and I want to see what people say about TAC and Vivo both having invests.

A vote on Natalija is a vote against town so watch what are you doing.
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Don't see why you're so certain Natalija is town. I would only be certain Natalija is town if Vivo is locked as town cop.
 
Lord Melkor said:
@tinky winky I think Kue has a point here, if you read his day 1 posts he was sussing me so I can buy him using day actions on me.

@Kue, you do not want to say what are your day actions, are you a vote stealer?

I like Kue a little more after his recent posts, @Cooler @Vivo Diez what do you think?
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I am. You said that in Nitty's games vote stealers tend to be scummy, but if you have any investigative abilities you can use it on me, I got no night phase actions so you're safe.
 
Kue said:
It'll be useful to find out if it's only a one-member scum team or if it's multiple, it would change the dynamics of our reads a lot.
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A single scum doesn't seem very balanced to me, not when there's so many roles with invest abilities. Not a fan of you pushing that narrative. I will say that scum having the ability to vote steal in a 10 player game is pretty OP, so that kinda makes me town lean you a bit more.
 
Kue said:
I am. You said that in Nitty's games vote stealers tend to be scummy, but if you have any investigative abilities you can use it on me, I got no night phase actions so you're safe.
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Hmm, this would be a really detrimental thing to admit as scum. And you were the one that brought up having day actions even though nobody was pushing you very hard at the time afair.
 
Cooler said:
A single scum doesn't seem very balanced to me, not when there's so many roles with invest abilities. Not a fan of you pushing that narrative. I will say that scum having the ability to vote steal in a 10 player game is pretty OP, so that kinda makes me town lean you a bit more.
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It's not so much narrative, but I'm trying to figure out how useful I'll be. I can basically drag on the game, and I can possibly still win the game for town if I'm the last townie even in a 1v1, 1v2, 2v3 situation.
 
Vivo Diez said:
Hmm, this would be a really detrimental thing to admit as scum. And you were the one that brought up having day actions even though nobody was pushing you very hard at the time afair.
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That's not necessarily true. There were no votes on me yet, but the wagon was starting to form, and many people gave Tinky a town read (which is still really strange to me and makes zero sense).
 
Kue said:
It's not so much narrative, but I'm trying to figure out how useful I'll be. I can basically drag on the game, and I can possibly still win the game for town if I'm the last townie even in a 1v1, 1v2, 2v3 situation.
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The second part of this goes without saying. I just don't find a single scum likely in a world where we have at least two invest capable roles and a vote stealer. That cucks scum way too much.
 
Shrike said:
Okay let's lynch someone else.

I want TAC but just go with whoever you people want to go with.
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Shrike said:
Gogogo someone else

[Unvote]
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this is what I meant with your vote @Shrike
you might have gone with cooler because you were iffy on him but the impression here is you wanted just about anyone to start the wagon
nat started it on cooler and you just followed.
something to note.

I said I would quote you later but forgot to. apologies.
 
Cooler said:
A single scum doesn't seem very balanced to me, not when there's so many roles with invest abilities. Not a fan of you pushing that narrative. I will say that scum having the ability to vote steal in a 10 player game is pretty OP, so that kinda makes me town lean you a bit more.
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In Nitty's Wheel of Time game our Mafia team had both vote stealer and double voter.
 
Kue said:
So cooler can't vote at the moment.

@Vivo Diez @Lord Melkor How do you feel about forming a wagon on Shrike?
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If Shrike is scum then why didn't he kill Vivo in the night? That's my concern there. He obviously picked up on the hint, so unless they were planning to just redirect his invest or something I see no reason why Vivo should still be here - unless - Vivo is also scum and they were distancing (which doesn't feel likely to me). He was also able to watch you in the night, which you have corroborated, I don't think that's a scum ability in this game as it's not overly useful to them.
 
Cooler said:
If Shrike is scum then why didn't he kill Vivo in the night? That's my concern there. He obviously picked up on the hint, so unless they were planning to just redirect his invest or something I see no reason why Vivo should still be here - unless - Vivo is also scum and they were distancing (which doesn't feel likely to me). He was also able to watch you in the night, which you have corroborated, I don't think that's a scum ability in this game as it's not overly useful to them.
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I suppose Shrike and Kue could be scummates and clearing eachother. Which is ballsy but not necessarily foolish in a game this size if they decided to try and play a bit proactively after D1.
 
Cooler said:
If Shrike is scum then why didn't he kill Vivo in the night? That's my concern there. He obviously picked up on the hint, so unless they were planning to just redirect his invest or something I see no reason why Vivo should still be here - unless - Vivo is also scum and they were distancing (which doesn't feel likely to me). He was also able to watch you in the night, which you have corroborated, I don't think that's a scum ability in this game as it's not overly useful to them.
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vivo's invest claim could be bullshit but a risky move .
all depends on if this game requires a set up of a tracker, onikaido's invest along with vivo's alignment invest. assuming shrike's town
he also gets the results of one of these investigations at random.
 
Cooler said:
If Shrike is scum then why didn't he kill Vivo in the night? That's my concern there. He obviously picked up on the hint, so unless they were planning to just redirect his invest or something I see no reason why Vivo should still be here - unless - Vivo is also scum and they were distancing (which doesn't feel likely to me). He was also able to watch you in the night, which you have corroborated, I don't think that's a scum ability in this game as it's not overly useful to them.
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Well, it would be too obvious of a kill for one. There could have also been a kill but it failed, there's a lot of things that can happen.

What made me sus of Shrike is just letting the wagons pile up of one player he cleared and one player that he read as town.

The clear could have been done with TMI and just wanted to gain my trust quickly.
 
Kue said:
Well, it would be too obvious of a kill for one. There could have also been a kill but it failed, there's a lot of things that can happen.

What made me sus of Shrike is just letting the wagons pile up of one player he cleared and one player that he read as town.

The clear could have been done with TMI and just wanted to gain my trust quickly.
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if a kill failed there should be an announcement no?
 
If you think about it, if you were to believe everything I said, basically mafia can't let me live until ELO (unless there's some day phase roleblock they can use or other things we can speculate about). Shrike might have read that LM speculated that I am some kind of mayor, and decided to change his mind on his clear on me, saw an opportunity to get rid of me, and switched votes on me.
 
Kue said:
If you think about it, if you were to believe everything I said, basically mafia can't let me live until ELO (unless there's some day phase roleblock they can use or other things we can speculate about). Shrike might have read that LM speculated that I am some kind of mayor, and decided to change his mind on his clear on me, saw an opportunity to get rid of me, and switched votes on me.
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Where did I speculate that you are some kind of major?

Did you come with that major stuff to save yourself?
 
Lord Melkor said:
Where did I speculate that you are some kind of major?

Did you come with that major stuff to save yourself?
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No I'm saying that Shrike speculated it, not that you said it.

You only said that I could be a vote stealer. I know if I was scum I would not want to deal with a mayor in an ELO situation, which means getting rid of me now would be more helpful before I get cleared by Nitty's announcement.
 
Kue said:
What do you think about my theory on Shrike?

Did you notice he took back his clear on me when you speculated I might be a vote stealer? He would know about mayors/governors by now and would want to get rid of me if he was scum. The vote just looked too opportunistic.
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Hm, wondering if Shrike could be powerwolfing that wonderfully. But he had few red flags to me, undertaking to "protect" people on day one, his hard budding on some people....
 
Lord Melkor said:
Now I am kind of torn between lynching you and Shrike. But maybe I should be consistent with my first impression on you this game, which was bad.....

Also, no way town has vote stealing without Mafia being able to counter it......
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I agree with you, hence I mentioned earlier there might be some kind of day phase role block that the mafia has and can counter me.
 
Lord Melkor said:
Now I am kind of torn between lynching you and Shrike. But maybe I should be consistent with my first impression on you this game, which was bad.....

Also, no way town has vote stealing without Mafia being able to counter it......
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Well, make a decision soon because I have a feeling Nat is town, and also there's no scum trying to sway votes. I thought maybe Tinky was it, but he's coming off as bad townie now like Usopp.
 
Cooler said:
Yeah, I think the fact this game is just 10 players adds a bit more nuance in terms of balancing. Vote stealing in the hands of mafia makes it that much easier to control the lynch in a game where a couple of mislynches already puts town close to MYLO. It's possible but unlikely IMO.
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Oh, if town has ability to steal votes for sure Mafia has something to counter it. Is Kue's claim beliievable to you?

@Kue, are you claiming you can win the game for town even if Mafia has majority or did I misread you? How would this even be possible?
 
Lord Melkor said:
Oh, if town has ability to steal votes for sure Mafia has something to counter it. Is Kue's claim beliievable to you?

@Kue, are you claiming you can win the game for town even if Mafia has majority or did I misread you? How would this even be possible?
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Well they can counter it by killing Kue lol. Lack of information hampers towns ability to use the vote stealing anyway.
 
@Kue the push on you was part of the trap I talked about with Natalija. I wanted to see the reactions but... Yours look the worst after Tinky's.

I cleared you for the moment but then asked for more info and you haven't really appeared most of the day. I also can't clear you for anything besides not doing the tonight's kill, not sure what you expect. There needs to be some pushes to let go of sus and not mislynch.

Yesterday I wanted TAC gone but OniKaido told me that he town reads him so I dropped it. Today I want tinky lynched but Natalija says that he is good.

I think Vivo really could be the cop because we don't have another one. All the other invests are lesser and more specific. The reason why we should definitely have one cop is because of Itachi's role as Nat pointed out, else there would be no reason to make him come up guilty.

Considering we have a vote stealer (if Kue is town at all), I am inclined to believe that scum are very powerful abilities-wise, especially after seeing the Itachi role.
 
Shrike said:
@Kue the push on you was part of the trap I talked about with Natalija. I wanted to see the reactions but... Yours look the worst after Tinky's.

I cleared you for the moment but then asked for more info and you haven't really appeared most of the day. I also can't clear you for anything besides not doing the tonight's kill, not sure what you expect. There needs to be some pushes to let go of sus and not mislynch.

Yesterday I wanted TAC gone but OniKaido told me that he town reads him so I dropped it. Today I want tinky lynched but Natalija says that he is good.

I think Vivo really could be the cop because we don't have another one. All the other invests are lesser and more specific. The reason why we should definitely have one cop is because of Itachi's role as Nat pointed out, else there would be no reason to make him come up guilty.

Considering we have a vote stealer (if Kue is town at all), I am inclined to believe that scum are very powerful abilities-wise, especially after seeing the Itachi role.
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Think for youself man sheesh. Have a bit more faith in your own ability to read the game.

Someone should lay out all the claims people have made and who has left to claim. Can see which ones feel genuine etc...
 
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Spoiler:
Tobi feels like Zetsu-senpai is trying really hard to get votes off him. Tobi isn’t sure if that’s because he’s dedicated to Akatsuki.

What does a vote stealer do? How can it benefit Akatsuki?
 
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