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[Drago]

'I actually had a bad initial feeling on Cypher as you did.

I'ma need you to expand on this "bad initial feeling" my guy. What did she do that pinged you?

Bruh you're literally going for low hanging fruit here, especially Melkor. We're like 2 hours in and you're throwing out meaningless statements about not liking him when he's known to always be scummy, Try harder.

Actually no don't try harder I don't want tinfoil master Usopp

I don't understand why it matters that Lord Melkor is low-hanging fruit. Should he not suspect him because he has a habit of being scummy every game? That sounds kinda whack to me. You're heavily discrediting Usopp's read here.

 

[Hero]

and based on what r u claiming that?
do u maybe happen to know every1's allignment so you think i am wrong about them?

I don’t know anyone’s alignment, but I do know you can’t read people for shit

 

[Drago]

@Pool Party Nitty if a Cop role gets killed at night, will they not receive results because kills get processed first?

 

[Ekkologix]

What does the Sin example have to do with anything,

I mean obviously...I wouldn’t pressure vote until 24-30 hours.

sure. that's what soon is lol
i havent pressure voted yet
imma go sleep soon then planning to get ningens to stack votes on who ever still doesnt post by then

I don’t know anyone’s alignment, but I do know you can’t read people for shit

[optimistic]

 

[Hero]

I'ma need you to expand on this "bad initial feeling" my guy. What did she do that pinged you?

I don't understand why it matters that Lord Melkor is low-hanging fruit. Should he not suspect him because he has a habit of being scummy every game? That sounds kinda whack to me. You're heavily discrediting Usopp's read here.

He’s not saying Melkor can’t be suspected, but it’s just the timing of it. Melkor is known to always be scummy. So it just say you have a “bad feeling” about Melkor when he’s generally hard to read and to say this 2 hours into the phase starting...it’s just bad play

Plus it’s Usopp’s read. It should be discredited.

 

[John Wayne]

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I'ma need you to expand on this "bad initial feeling" my guy. What did she do that pinged you?

I don't understand why it matters that Lord Melkor is low-hanging fruit. Should he not suspect him because he has a habit of being scummy every game? That sounds kinda whack to me. You're heavily discrediting Usopp's read here.

It's vapid commentary that anyone could make. But more importantly I'm discrediting it because it's Usopp.

His reads are like perfectly 100% wrong.

 

[Drago]

Wait, hold up.

1. Role crushes
2. Roleblocks
3. Redirects
4. Mafia & indie kills
5. Town kills
6. All other types of abilities

Are protections not prioritized over kills?! Do kills will happen before them in this game?

 

[Ekkologix]

I'ma need you to expand on this "bad initial feeling" my guy. What did she do that pinged you?

I don't understand why it matters that Lord Melkor is low-hanging fruit. Should he not suspect him because he has a habit of being scummy every game? That sounds kinda whack to me. You're heavily discrediting Usopp's read here.

ningens underestimate usopp, both in OP section and mafia section
pathetic actually lmao

@Pool Party Nitty if a Cop role gets killed at night, will they not receive results because kills get processed first?

is there a point for it lol. they r dead anyway
unless they r in a mason group or sm1 is planning to revive them i guess lol

He’s not saying Melkor can’t be suspected, but it’s just the timing of it. Melkor is known to always be scummy. So it just say you have a “bad feeling” about Melkor when he’s generally hard to read and to say this 2 hours into the phase starting...it’s just bad play

Plus it’s Usopp’s read. It should be discredited.

u can say u have bad feeling about anyone any time.

i dont need u to tell me when and what i should feel about others ningen

also u say this but my reads usually have 1 or 2 scums in them.. i just dont have the english skills to convey it right

so yea..

 

[Ekkologix]

Wait, hold up.

Are protections not prioritized over kills?! Do kills will happen before them in this game?

also roleblocks and rolecrushes bypass redirections apparently lmao

 

[Ekkologix]

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It's vapid commentary that anyone could make. But more importantly I'm discrediting it because it's Usopp.

His reads are like perfectly 100% wrong.

i love how u guys r so fken sure its wrong

god bless

what a reputation have a made for myself

 

[Drago]

He’s not saying Melkor can’t be suspected, but it’s just the timing of it. Melkor is known to always be scummy. So it just say you have a “bad feeling” about Melkor when he’s generally hard to read and to say this 2 hours into the phase starting...it’s just bad play

Plus it’s Usopp’s read. It should be discredited.

I don't really agree with that logic. I get that LM has a meta of being scummy but if you have a bad feeling on him early in the game why throw it away as a bad read? Shouldn't we at least ask Usopp to explain why he feels that way before disgarding it as bad play? @Go D. Usopp what is your reason for suspecting LM?

4


It's vapid commentary that anyone could make. But more importantly I'm discrediting it because it's Usopp.

His reads are like perfectly 100% wrong.

Sounds like spite

 

[Ekkologix]

there was a game i had the entire scum team as town reads cuz they were too scummy to label as scum

but thats a thing of the past

we have evolved

 

[Hero]

Well of course your reads will have 1-2 scum in them if you’re suspecting 15 people @Go D. Usopp

Your English skills have no impact on who you suspect. However they might affect how you present your reads/case on a suspect. Even so, I can understand everything you say. Your English isn’t bad. You have the vocabulary. You just theorize rather than working with tangible evidence or thread behavior. Or you fail to link thread behavior to your theories. That’s all. Your comprehension of the English language is fine. If your English was the problem, you’d have a hard time understanding us, friend.

 

[Ekkologix]

we can always do the good all avi bet

one of melkor/hayumi is scum. hero is just a dumass but is probably town

any betters

i am confident in my reads, are u??

 

[Drago]

ningens underestimate usopp, both in OP section and mafia section
pathetic actually lmao


is there a point for it lol. they r dead anyway
unless they r in a mason group or sm1 is planning to revive them i guess lol


u can say u have bad feeling about anyone any time.

i dont need u to tell me when and what i should feel about others ningen

also u say this but my reads usually have 1 or 2 scums in them.. i just dont have the english skills to convey it right

so yea..

Yeah, in case of a revival or the Cop can talk for like an extra phase before they truly die due to a passive ability or something like that. Or maybe if there's a role that speaks to the dead alive in the game. Just gotta make sure ya know?

 

[John Wayne]

Sounds like spite

3 words

Tower of God

 

[Hero]

I don't really agree with that logic. I get that LM has a meta of being scummy but if you have a bad feeling on him early in the game why throw it away as a bad read? Shouldn't we at least ask Usopp to explain why he feels that way before disgarding it as bad play? @Go D. Usopp what is your reason for suspecting LM?

Have you ever played a game with Usopp

Im not trusting any friend who claims to have a bad feeling about someone who only had 3 posts at the time, 2 hours into a 36 hour phase. Please.

It’s a bad read because it’s bad. It’s made worse because it’s Usopp.

 

[Ekkologix]

I don't really agree with that logic. I get that LM has a meta of being scummy but if you have a bad feeling on him early in the game why throw it away as a bad read? Shouldn't we at least ask Usopp to explain why he feels that way before disgarding it as bad play? @Go D. Usopp what is your reason for suspecting LM?

Sounds like spite

breh melkor is surprisngly jumpy today, anyone can tell u that lol

guy's first post literally asks me of being scum, then right after that accuses juan of being scum lmao

i mean nothing is wrong with that, but ive not seen this kinda behavior from melkor. its like he wants to force change playstyles, given how he was scum in last nitty game

i liked his vote on cypher tho, its too scummy to label as scum. seemed more of a test cypher's panic levels vote.

but him providing a half ass reason for the vote doesnt help lmao. he wuda been better off providing none

 

[Drago]

3 words

Tower of God

Spill the tea on this one.

 

[Ekkologix]

Have you ever played a game with Usopp

Im not trusting any friend who claims to have a bad feeling about someone who only had 3 posts at the time, 2 hours into a 36 hour phase. Please.

It’s a bad read because it’s bad. It’s made worse because it’s Usopp.

dude nobody told u to fken trust me

can i not express my feeling now??

 

[Drago]

Have you ever played a game with Usopp

Im not trusting any friend who claims to have a bad feeling about someone who only had 3 posts at the time, 2 hours into a 36 hour phase. Please.

It’s a bad read because it’s bad. It’s made worse because it’s Usopp.

Lol, I've played 2 games with him before. Dunno what y'all are complaining about. He's been pretty fun to play with so far.

 

[Ekkologix]

Well of course your reads will have 1-2 scum in them if you’re suspecting 15 people @Go D. Usopp

Your English skills have no impact on who you suspect. However they might affect how you present your reads/case on a suspect. Even so, I can understand everything you say. Your English isn’t bad. You have the vocabulary. You just theorize rather than working with tangible evidence or thread behavior. Or you fail to link thread behavior to your theories. That’s all. Your comprehension of the English language is fine. If your English was the problem, you’d have a hard time understanding us, friend.

ur gna get outta this thread with a 100 optimistic rating i tell u that much

3 words

Tower of God

i was scum that game so my reads dont count lol. they r allowed to be wrong lmao
or are they??

 

[Ekkologix]

Have you ever played a game with Usopp

Im not trusting any friend who claims to have a bad feeling about someone who only had 3 posts at the time, 2 hours into a 36 hour phase. Please.

It’s a bad read because it’s bad. It’s made worse because it’s Usopp.

i mean instead of coming here to say sm1's reads r bad

why dont u bust out the game open for us and enlighten us with ur "good" reads then??

 

[Drago]

breh melkor is surprisngly jumpy today, anyone can tell u that lol

guy's first post literally asks me of being scum, then right after that accuses juan of being scum lmao

i mean nothing is wrong with that, but ive not seen this kinda behavior from melkor. its like he wants to force change playstyles, given how he was scum in last nitty game

i liked his vote on cypher tho, its too scummy to label as scum. seemed more of a test cypher's panic levels vote.

but him providing a half ass reason for the vote doesnt help lmao. he wuda been better off providing none

Hmm, would you say that forcing a change in your playstyle is a scum indicative? I wouldn't really.

Aye, the reasoning was pretty whack. Made the whole vote feel forced and fake. To me, it came across that he wanted to piggyback off "Flower paranoia".

 

[Ekkologix]

Hmm, would you say that forcing a change in your playstyle is a scum indicative? I wouldn't really.

Aye, the reasoning was pretty whack. Made the whole vote feel forced and fake. To me, it came across that he wanted to piggyback off "Flower paranoia".

honestly, if i were to roll scum twice in a row within 2 weeks id try to change my playstyle a bit.

so yes. forcing a playstyle change over small time can be somewhat scum indicative. specially if u can group it with other reads/evidences.

 

[Ekkologix]

seems like hero is gone after asking him to bust out the "good" reads huh

 

[Drago]

Hella tired right now so I'll be going to bed now. See y'all later!

 

[Hero]

seems like hero is gone after asking him to bust out the "good" reads huh

Nah. I was on Twitter.

 

[Hero]

seems like hero is gone after asking him to bust out the "good" reads huh

Plus we live in the same time zone. It’s 2:30am. It’s not that deep, no need for crack theories.

I’m going to bed & you should to.

 

[Shizune]

@Pool Party Nitty if a Cop role gets killed at night, will they not receive results because kills get processed first?

Correct.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Well because only 1 mafia player for make the faction kill in a game of this size. I think you’re the only player confused with the wording/trying to make a discussion out of mafia’s killing mechanics.

I thought it was similar to Usopp. When you said randomized I thought you were talking about character alignment. Or were you referring to which characters that were placed in the game? Regardless it doesn’t matter. It’s just unnecessary and empty fluffing that attempts to look contributive.

I remember Xebec usually being confused about setup in these games at the beginning and he is usually town.

I'ma need you to expand on this "bad initial feeling" my guy. What did she do that pinged you?

I don't understand why it matters that Lord Melkor is low-hanging fruit. Should he not suspect him because he has a habit of being scummy every game? That sounds kinda whack to me. You're heavily discrediting Usopp's read here.

I felt Cypher's first few votes were her blending in and nervous about first vote on her.

I also do not like people casually dismissing Usopp and saying you cannot have reads or feels early game.@John Wayne, @Hero do you think early reads and discusding them have 0 value? With this logic day 1 is mostly useless.

 

[Flower]

You tryna buddy me, Flower?

Totally.

 

[Cooler]

Caught up. Solid town read on Hero. Kinda null on everyone else so far.

 

[Flower]

Okay, enough trolling for this DP.

Lean Town:

Usopp. His reaction to my posts seem Town so far.

Xebec asks so many questions, that's his Town play.

Hero. Like his investment in the game so far.


Rest is neutral as of now.

 

[青月光]

This game is feeling a little different from the rest. Is it because of the "new" players?



Gonna need to adjust myself a bit.

 

[Lord Melkor]

This game is feeling a little different from the rest. Is it because of the "new" players?



Gonna need to adjust myself a bit.

Why do you think you need to adjust?

 

[Flower]

3 words

Tower of God

I was apparently Bam, Rachel, FUG Viole and Zahard at the same time according to Usopp.

How? No clue.

 

[Juan]

This game is feeling a little different from the rest. Is it because of the "new" players?



Gonna need to adjust myself a bit.

adjust to what

 

[Flower]

Hayumi might be Town this game as well. She self voted as well the last game I played with Town Hayumi and her reactions seem fine so far.


For now...

[Vote Lynch SinRaven].

 

[Hayumi]

we can always do the good all avi bet

one of melkor/hayumi is scum. hero is just a dumass but is probably town

any betters

i am confident in my reads, are u??

Well, you lost the bet unless Melkor is actually scum. But it’s way too early for anyone to really tell. As for me, just because I got mafia several times recently doesn't mean I get it every time ningen.

 

[Hayumi]

Except I was really confused so this is just your accusation here. Why did Nitty post that when it's common sense that all mafia can perform faction kill. I mean villain can be town here. Town character can be mafia. Just information. Don't know how is that trying to confuse players here.

I’m not so sure about the bolded because the mafia supposedly have fake claims available to use right? Why would that be necessary if they already had town-like roles to begin with? Unless it’s specifically talking about abilities, but even then, I’d think a role would be provided.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Hayumi might be Town this game as well. She self voted as well the last game I played with Town Hayumi and her reactions seem fine so far.


For now...

[Vote Lynch SinRaven].

Are you trying to pressure inactives or is there some other reason ?

 

[Flower]

Are you trying to pressure inactives or is there some other reason ?

His vote on Melodie seems fake af. Like he's just trying to act how he usually does in order to not draw any attention to himself.

 

[Hayumi]

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

I agree on LM and Hero.

Hero took a lot of users to task over what they said. Even if it's minor stuff, that's all you can go by on the first day.

LM is still his overtly accusatory scummy self, but he seems to be putting in more genuine effort to help town than what I've seen from his actual scum plays.

 

[Flower]

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

Agree with this for the most part. Although I have to disagree with the Sin read, since he random voted Melodie in Get Good 3 as well where we were scum together, so I'd say this is NAI for him. Rn his vote seems fake to me.

 

[Hayumi]

I agree on LM and Hero.

Hero took a lot of users to task over what they said. Even if it's minor stuff, that's all you can go by on the first day.

LM is still his overtly accusatory scummy self, but he seems to be putting in more genuine effort to help town than what I've seen from his actual scum plays.

Agree with this for the most part. Although I have to disagree with the Sin read, since he random voted Melodie in Get Good 3 as well where we were scum together, so I'd say this is NAI for him. Rn his vote seems fake to me.

Sin could be just genuinely busy or had to go do something, and left a vote just to throw some type of anything into the thread. It would have arguably been more sus if he would have just said hey then disappeared again. I don’t consider his vote opportunistic or anything since it’s pretty common to leave trolls comments/votes like that, but since you say he did it before when scum I get where you’re coming from.

There seems to be some common “town” leans right now, but do you guys have any light susses so far?

 

[Vivo Diez]

Sin could be just genuinely busy or had to go do something, and left a vote just to throw some type of anything into the thread. It would have arguably been more sus if he would have just said hey then disappeared again. I don’t consider his vote opportunistic or anything since it’s pretty common to leave trolls comments/votes like that, but since you say he did it before when scum I get where you’re coming from.

There seems to be some common “town” leans right now, but do you guys have any light susses so far?

Last game I played with Alibaba, he fluffed at the start and ended up dipping for most of the game. He ended up flipping scum. Seems like he's either repeating his scum pattern or that's how he plays every time.

 

[Flower]

Sin could be just genuinely busy or had to go do something, and left a vote just to throw some type of anything into the thread. It would have arguably been more sus if he would have just said hey then disappeared again. I don’t consider his vote opportunistic or anything since it’s pretty common to leave trolls comments/votes like that, but since you say he did it before when scum I get where you’re coming from.

There seems to be some common “town” leans right now, but do you guys have any light susses so far?

Nobody really scum pinged me so far except Sin with his vote, so that's where I wanna start today.

 

[Vivo Diez]

We've still got quite a bit of time left, but a reminder for all of you non rule readers:

Day phases last for 23 hours, and night phases for 24 hours. Collectively, a 48 hour day+night is called a cycle. During the day, players can post and cast lynch votes. Failing to vote for another player will count as 2 votes toward yourself, and you cannot vote for no lynch. Players cannot post during the night.

It will be really sus if people don't engage in the conversation at all and just drop a vote at the end of the day to avoid getting votes on themselves.

 

[SinRaven]

His vote on Melodie seems fake af. Like he's just trying to act how he usually does in order to not draw any attention to himself.

Thats funny tell another one

 

[Flower]

Thats funny tell another one

I know you and you've done that before as scum, so ya.

 

[SinRaven]

I know you and you've done that before as scum, so ya.

Voting Melodie is something I do every game regardless of alignment. It's completely NAI.

 

[SinRaven]

Every game with her*

 

[Flower]

Voting Melodie is something I do every game regardless of alignment. It's completely NAI.

I literally just said that it's NAI and that it just feels fake this time, so don't see your point .

 

[Vivo Diez]

Yeh I don't think joke votes are a solid indicator of scummy behavior. Cooler did it too but he's not getting sussed?

 

[SinRaven]

But sure Cypher vote me all you want, you got my scum meta nailed down to a T so come at me all you want hun we'll see who laughs last

 

[SinRaven]

I literally just said that it's NAI and that it just feels fake this time, so don't see your point .

So what's the difference as opposed to other times? Or are you just throwing empty statements out there to seem smart?

 

[SinRaven]

Because fun fact: my Melodie vote is always meaningless and thus fake. There is literally no difference here as opposed to other times so I feel like you're just making things up as you go.

 

[SinRaven]

Can't believe I'm having this discussion every time I vote Melodie tho

More reason for me to continue doing it, root out who goes for easy pickings.

 

[Flower]

So what's the difference as opposed to other times? Or are you just throwing empty statements out there to seem smart?

You left a vote on her and dipped.

Totally not suspicious, right?

 

[Flower]

You're getting awfully defensive now.

Noted .

 

[SinRaven]

You left a vote on her and dipped.

Totally not suspicious, right?

Who cares tho? I dipped because I was heading to work (and I'm still working). I only made that vote because it's tradition. You yourself say it's NAI so what exactly is suspicious about it?

There is enough time left in the phase for me to have returned and actually play the game. You could've said the vote and dip was suspicious if I didn't return for the phase, but you sure as hell didn't wait for long to throw a FOS on me, while I could easily have returned in about the next 20 hours left in the phase.

 

[Flower]

Who cares tho? I dipped because I was heading to work (and I'm still working). I only made that vote because it's tradition. You yourself say it's NAI so what exactly is suspicious about it?

There is enough time left in the phase for me to have returned and actually play the game. You could've said the vote and dip was suspicious if I didn't return for the phase, but you sure as hell didn't wait for long to throw a FOS on me, while I could easily have returned in about the next 20 hours left in the phase.

Why so defensive?

 

[Juan]

You left a vote on her and dipped.

Totally not suspicious, right?

literally everyone does joke votes at the start of games, it's very rare when it is actually indicative of any alignment

 

[SinRaven]

Call me defensive all you want bb but I'm merely pointing out the flaws in your reasoning which is my obligation as a townie. Should I instead not respond at all?

 

[Juan]

Why so defensive?

lol

"you did this!!¡"
"actually no i didnt"
"WOW MAN SUCH DEFENSIVE MUCH SCUM"

 

[Flower]

Call me defensive all you want bb but I'm merely pointing out the flaws in your reasoning which is my obligation as a townie. Should I instead not respond at all?

I don't get why you need to point them out in the first place if you're Town.

 

[Flower]

lol

"you did this!!¡"
"actually no i didnt"
"WOW MAN SUCH DEFENSIVE MUCH SCUM"

Rather:

"You did this!"

"Some long af explanation why he didn't."

 

[Vivo Diez]

I don't get why you need to point them out in the first place if you're Town.

I mean, you did vote to lynch him, what did you expect ?

It's not like there are actions or events he can point to to defend himself, all he can do is deconstruct your argument.

 

[SinRaven]

I don't get why you need to point them out in the first place if you're Town.

So a good townie should just let people vote them for false reasons??

Oh my god you continue to amaze me with your logic.

 

[SinRaven]

So funny, not gonna argue this further because this logic will make me piss myself I swear.

I'll see you guys when I'm done with work when I actually can play the game, later babes.

 

[SinRaven]

>now according to Flower I should be town since I choose not to continue the argument
>VICTORY

 

[Juan]

Rather:

"You did this!"

"Some long af explanation why he didn't."

no i'll go with mine it's better thanks

 

[Flower]

I mean, you did vote to lynch him, what did you expect ?

It's not like there are actions or events he can point to to defend himself, all he can do is deconstruct your argument.

So you're not seeing how long af his explanations are and how defensive they are?

 

[Drago]

His vote on Melodie seems fake af. Like he's just trying to act how he usually does in order to not draw any attention to himself.

How did you get all this from one vote without any reasoning provided? How was it not a Town Sin voting Melodie if that's what he does? Not saying that Sin is town here, but I'm curious at the sudden jump to him being scum.

 

[Flower]

How did you get all this from one vote without any reasoning provided? How was it not a Town Sin voting Melodie if that's what he does? Not saying that Sin is town here, but I'm curious at the sudden jump to him being scum.

Because it's NAI for him. And he was like "What, Mello is playing?" and then voted her. Voting her is one thing, but how does the former thing not sound fake to you?

 

[Drago]

Why so defensive?

Why are you dodging his questions? Don't discredit his points by calling him defensive.

 

[Vivo Diez]

So you're not seeing how long af his explanations are and how defensive they are?

Yeh, but I can relate to being pissed off for being voted to be lynched for something pretty minor

I mean, it's not a great look, if I recall Usopp and Melkor did the same to you and gauged your reaction and you handled it pretty calmly. So if we're going by that standard, SinRaven looks worse than you right now.

But I don't think that's enough of a gotcha to vote someone off atm.

 

[Drago]

Because it's NAI for him. And he was like "What, Mello is playing?" and then voted her. Voting her is one thing, but how does the former thing not sound fake to you?

How is that fake??? If he does it every game he plays then it's just following the tradition. Nothing scum indicative about it. This is a big stretch.