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Yeh, but I can relate to being pissed off for being voted to be lynched for something pretty minor :skully

I mean, it's not a great look, if I recall Usopp and Melkor did the same to you and gauged your reaction and you handled it pretty calmly. So if we're going by that standard, SinRaven looks worse than you right now.

But I don't think that's enough of a gotcha to vote someone off atm.
Perhaps you're right, but we have to start somewhere or else this game is stuck.
 
Don't hate. Spread luv instead

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Then we have different takes on this.
Well, yeah, we disagree. Your reason against Sin is super stretched out, Flow. Of all the voted this day phase, I believe that was the most opportunistic one. You took the opportunity to make something bad out it to pursue a fake scum read against Sin. Not exactly sold on that but I'm thinking about it.

I'm more interested in why you're dodging Sin's questions tho. Could you answer that for me?
 
Well, yeah, we disagree. Your reason against Sin is super stretched out, Flow. Of all the voted this day phase, I believe that was the most opportunistic one. You took the opportunity to make something bad out it to pursue a fake scum read against Sin. Not exactly sold on that but I'm thinking about it.

I'm more interested in why you're dodging Sin's questions tho. Could you answer that for me?
I literally just did tell you why I think it's fake.
 
Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.
I frankly don't understand why you think Hero is so great. The points he made can be easily made if he was scum :lul
 
Also, why are you calling this a fake scum read? You know he's Town or what? Else, this sounds like you're discrediting what I say.
I'm calling it a fake scum read because that's what it sounds like to me. I don't need to know Sin is town before reaching that conclusion. It's a read. Literally everyones makes reads like that including you. Don't try to turn this into TMI when it isn't.
 
[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.
 
[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.
So what makes Sin such a strong Town read for you that I absolutely couldn't read him scum as Town?
 
I remember Xebec usually being confused about setup in these games at the beginning and he is usually town.



I felt Cypher's first few votes were her blending in and nervous about first vote on her.

I also do not like people casually dismissing Usopp and saying you cannot have reads or feels early game.@John Wayne, @Hero do you think early reads and discusding them have 0 value? With this logic day 1 is mostly useless.
You most certainly can have reads on Day 1. Sin’s tryhard game is a perfect example. However there hasn’t been anything noteworthy so far (no overtly scummy posts, no overreactions etc.) When this is the case, any reads presented are just what I call “grasping at straws”.

it’s just like building a case in real life. I can believe you’re guilty or whatever, but if I don’t have substantial evidence to charge you with murder & put you away, I’m not going to bring it forward.
 
So you're saying I'm scum?
I don’t know how you gathered that from reading his post. Don’t put words in their mouth.
Have you ever seen me make long af posts and answering every single question people throw at me when Town?
Sin is an individual. You are an individual. Just because you behave one way as town doesn’t mean Sin behaves the same way.
I know and this wasn't my point in the post you quoted.
Your argument against sin would be stronger if you could provide examples to other games so we could compare them to this game.

@Lord Melkor Now this is a part of Day 1 where you can start posting reads/working a sus list. Do you see how the game atmosphere/dynamic has changed?
 
I don’t know how you gathered that from reading his post. Don’t put words in their mouth.

Sin is an individual. You are an individual. Just because you behave one way as town doesn’t mean Sin behaves the same way.

Your argument against sin would be stronger if you could provide examples to other games so we could compare them to this game.

@Lord Melkor Now this is a part of Day 1 where you can start posting reads/working a sus list. Do you see how the game atmosphere/dynamic has changed?
Well, he has to have a very strong Town read on Sin to read me scum from accusing him. The second point was about my play and not Sin at all. And to your third, I already gave Get Good 3 as an example.
 
I already gave my reads, I won't repeat myself to someone who cba to read :witty
Oh?

I agree on LM and Hero.

Hero took a lot of users to task over what they said. Even if it's minor stuff, that's all you can go by on the first day.

LM is still his overtly accusatory scummy self, but he seems to be putting in more genuine effort to help town than what I've seen from his actual scum plays.
Agreeing with Hayumi, was this it?
 
Well, he has to have a very strong Town read on Sin to read me scum from accusing him. The second point was about my play and not Sin at all. And to your third, I already gave Get Good 3 as an example.
1. He didn’t read you as scum for your Sin play. If I was in the thread at the time, I would have picked at your argument too. He didn’t actually place a vote on you until you guys had several exchanges back & forth and he deemed your responses unsatisfactory. I’ll have to read what you said again myself to see if I agree with his assessment.

2. But you’re using your play & comparing it to Sin and how’s he’s being “over defensive”

3. Fine enough.
 
1. He didn’t read you as scum for your Sin play. If I was in the thread at the time, I would have picked at your argument too. He didn’t actually place a vote on you until you guys had several exchanges back & forth and he deemed your responses unsatisfactory. I’ll have to read what you said again myself to see if I agree with his assessment.

2. But you’re using your play & comparing it to Sin and how’s he’s being “over defensive”

3. Fine enough.
1) Fair enough, but conflicting views exist, too.

2) Never did I compare anything. This was solely about my play and how Denim expects me to play as Town. It wasn't about Sin.
 
Anyway, I'm gonna go off for a while. Here are some current thoughts:

-Alibaba is completely fluffing just like last game I played with him where he flipped scum. I'm not a big fan of that strategy in general even if he is town, it's not helpful at all. I will move my vote off him if someone more worthy comes up, but it's staying for now.

-Bandwagon on Cypher is a bit weird. Some people called him out for his arguments against lynching Sin being weak, but their arguments against Cypher aren't that much stronger. Cypher himself got voted to be lynched by LM who's only argument was "you were mafia prior". And then @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor basically gauged Cypher's response to the lynch. Cypher did a similar thing against Sin and pointed out how overtly defensive he was getting. If we're calling Cypher out for this kind of shit, why aren't we calling out @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor? Some people are coming off a little bit opportunistic.

-Hayumi, Hero, LM seem fine to me for now. Don't trust anyone else yet.
 
Anyway, I'm gonna go off for a while. Here are some current thoughts:

-Alibaba is completely fluffing just like last game I played with him where he flipped scum. I'm not a big fan of that strategy in general even if he is town, it's not helpful at all. I will move my vote off him if someone more worthy comes up, but it's staying for now.

-Bandwagon on Cypher is a bit weird. Some people called him out for his arguments against lynching Sin being weak, but their arguments against Cypher aren't that much stronger. Cypher himself got voted to be lynched by LM who's only argument was "you were mafia prior". And then @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor basically gauged Cypher's response to the lynch. Cypher did a similar thing against Sin and pointed out how overtly defensive he was getting. If we're calling Cypher out for this kind of shit, why aren't we calling out @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor? Some people are coming off a little bit opportunistic.

-Hayumi, Hero, LM seem fine to me for now. Don't trust anyone else yet.
You suddenly turned serious, this sounds like a very calculated post to me. :gotyoufam
 
got 4 more pages so lets iwan this

I remember Xebec usually being confused about setup in these games at the beginning and he is usually town.



I felt Cypher's first few votes were her blending in and nervous about first vote on her.

I also do not like people casually dismissing Usopp and saying you cannot have reads or feels early game.@John Wayne, @Hero do you think early reads and discusding them have 0 value? With this logic day 1 is mostly useless.
i dont like this soft buddying from u, but i gotta agree that the way they r dissmissing the reads is a bit weird

Hayumi might be Town this game as well. She self voted as well the last game I played with Town Hayumi and her reactions seem fine so far.


For now...

[Vote Lynch SinRaven].
last time hayumi started talking alot after being called out he flipped scum lol. guy doesnt look town at all imo.

also btw sin's first vote on ToG game was on Atlantic, his scummate. not sure if he does it everytime tho tbh. but shouldnt be overlooked

Well, you lost the bet unless Melkor is actually scum. But it’s way too early for anyone to really tell. As for me, just because I got mafia several times recently doesn't mean I get it every time ningen.
sure kap, will get an avi ready for ya no worries

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.
well i certainly feel a bit of buddying from melkor and denim.

in melkors case he does it when scum, in denims case he did it in ToG game when he was town and actually defended a scum.

so i must say melkor is worst looking than denim
 
Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.


This looks too friendly to me. Many town suspects, what about scum suspects?
 
I never answer people who I think are scum. That's why and you actually know this.
so thats y u dont answer me everytime :hestonpls

For starters, he was the first person to make actual susses and actually carry the conversation forward. When I have the time I’ll try and iso his posts.
just discrediting my reads cuz he has a bit of tmi maybe isnt an actual case breh
 
[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.
ok but like cyphers reactions and replies to u arent her usual scum self when she is more quiet

unless u think shes melkors scummate again and he was simply bussing her
 
This still doesn't answer my question. Just like Denim, he says I'm dodging questions, but also dodges my questions.

So you're not making any sense. Point stands.

You asked me a rhetorical question and that's it lol. You've basically said, "Because you misread one of my posts I'm not going to believe you've read any of the subsequent posts".

I don't think this kind of response and attitude is town. It's just plain shitty lol.
 

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