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[Flower]

How is that fake??? If he does it every game he plays then it's just following the tradition. Nothing scum indicative about it. This is a big stretch.

His "Whaaat? Mello is playing?" does not sound fake to you?

 

[Drago]

His "Whaaat? Mello is playing?" does not sound fake to you?

Nope.

 

[Flower]

Yeh, but I can relate to being pissed off for being voted to be lynched for something pretty minor

I mean, it's not a great look, if I recall Usopp and Melkor did the same to you and gauged your reaction and you handled it pretty calmly. So if we're going by that standard, SinRaven looks worse than you right now.

But I don't think that's enough of a gotcha to vote someone off atm.

Perhaps you're right, but we have to start somewhere or else this game is stuck.

 

[Flower]

Nope.

Then we have different takes on this.

 

[Natalija]

3 words

Tower of God

it was glorious

 

[Flower]

it was glorious

Nope.

 

[青月光]

Don't hate. Spread luv instead

 

[Drago]

Then we have different takes on this.

Well, yeah, we disagree. Your reason against Sin is super stretched out, Flow. Of all the voted this day phase, I believe that was the most opportunistic one. You took the opportunity to make something bad out it to pursue a fake scum read against Sin. Not exactly sold on that but I'm thinking about it.

I'm more interested in why you're dodging Sin's questions tho. Could you answer that for me?

 

[Flower]

Well, yeah, we disagree. Your reason against Sin is super stretched out, Flow. Of all the voted this day phase, I believe that was the most opportunistic one. You took the opportunity to make something bad out it to pursue a fake scum read against Sin. Not exactly sold on that but I'm thinking about it.

I'm more interested in why you're dodging Sin's questions tho. Could you answer that for me?

I literally just did tell you why I think it's fake.

 

[Flower]

Also, why are you calling this a fake scum read? You know he's Town or what? Else, this sounds like you're discrediting what I say.

 

[Natalija]

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

I frankly don't understand why you think Hero is so great. The points he made can be easily made if he was scum

 

[Drago]

I literally just did tell you why I think it's fake.

That wasn't my question. Why were you dodging Sin's questions but instead tried to discredit his posts?

 

[Vivo Diez]

Don't hate. Spread luv instead

[Vote Lynch Alibaba Saluja]

 

[Flower]

That wasn't my question. Why were you dodging Sin's questions but instead tried to discredit his posts?

Why are you discrediting my points by saying I'm discrediting his?

 

[青月光]

[Vote Lynch Alibaba Saluja]

This game will finally prove what I say. Scum or town, DP1 will always be like this for my play.

 

[Drago]

Also, why are you calling this a fake scum read? You know he's Town or what? Else, this sounds like you're discrediting what I say.

I'm calling it a fake scum read because that's what it sounds like to me. I don't need to know Sin is town before reaching that conclusion. It's a read. Literally everyones makes reads like that including you. Don't try to turn this into TMI when it isn't.

 

[Drago]

Why are you discrediting my points by saying I'm discrediting his?

I'm not trying to discredit you. It's literally what you did. Instead of answering him, you'd rather point out that he is defensive to paint bad light on him.

Answer my question, please.

 

[Flower]

I'm calling it a fake scum read because that's what it sounds like to me. I don't need to know Sin is town before reaching that conclusion. It's a read. Literally everyones makes reads like that including you. Don't try to turn this into TMI when it isn't.

So you're saying I'm scum?

 

[Flower]

I'm not trying to discredit you. It's literally what you did. Instead of answering him, you'd rather point out that he is defensive to paint bad light on him.

Answer my question, please.

I never answer people who I think are scum. That's why and you actually know this.

 

[Drago]

So you're saying I'm scum?

I'll figure that out later. Now answer please answer my question. I've been answering yours!

 

[Vivo Diez]

I frankly don't understand why you think Hero is so great. The points he made can be easily made if he was scum

What are your reads then?

 

[Drago]

I never answer people who I think are scum. That's why and you actually know this.

No, I don't know that. Why would I know that? Have you told me that before or something, cause I don't remember.

 

[Natalija]

What are your reads then?

I'll be frank, I read maybe a few posts and I dunno yet

 

[Hayumi]

I frankly don't understand why you think Hero is so great. The points he made can be easily made if he was scum

I never said he’s great, but he’s the strongest resemblance of a town read I have right now, so it’s worth noting one of the only solid reads I have.

 

[Flower]

No, I don't know that. Why would I know that? Have you told me that before or something, cause I don't remember.

Have you ever seen me make long af posts and answering every single question people throw at me when Town?

 

[Drago]

I never said he’s great, but he’s the strongest resemblance of a town read I have right now, so it’s worth noting one of the only solid reads I have.

What in his points that Hero made struck you as town?

 

[Drago]

Have you ever seen me make long af posts and answering every single question people throw at me when Town?

Yes.

 

[Vivo Diez]

I'll be frank, I read maybe a few posts and I dunno yet

Well, read some more and form some opinions. The undecisive player isn't an uncommon scum play

 

[Natalija]

Well, read some more and form some opinions. The undecisive player isn't an uncommon scum play

I'll read from now on. Who strikes you as off?

 

[Hayumi]

What in his points that Hero made struck you as town?

For starters, he was the first person to make actual susses and actually carry the conversation forward. When I have the time I’ll try and iso his posts.

 

[Cooler]

Agree with this for the most part. Although I have to disagree with the Sin read, since he random voted Melodie in Get Good 3 as well where we were scum together, so I'd say this is NAI for him. Rn his vote seems fake to me.

It's not random. He spites votes Melodie every game...

 

[Flower]

Yes.

When? I can't recall any recent games where I did that. Only when scum.

 

[Flower]

It's not random. He spites votes Melodie every game...

I know and this wasn't my point in the post you quoted.

 

[Flower]

You guys act like it's a crime that I suspect Sin and don't actually look at his reactions to my accusations, apparently.

 

[Drago]

[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.

 

[Drago]

When? I can't recall any recent games where I did that. Only when scum.

Well, I haven't played a game with you in a while so you've might have changed it now but every game we've played back on TB or OJ, you've made long posts answering questions.

 

[Drago]

You guys act like it's a crime that I suspect Sin and don't actually look at his reactions to my accusations, apparently.

His reactions are fine to me. They're warranted.

 

[Flower]

[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.

So what makes Sin such a strong Town read for you that I absolutely couldn't read him scum as Town?

 

[Flower]

His reactions are fine to me. They're warranted.

No, they are not. And I'm not the only one who saw this.

 

[Hero]

I remember Xebec usually being confused about setup in these games at the beginning and he is usually town.



I felt Cypher's first few votes were her blending in and nervous about first vote on her.

I also do not like people casually dismissing Usopp and saying you cannot have reads or feels early game.@John Wayne, @Hero do you think early reads and discusding them have 0 value? With this logic day 1 is mostly useless.

You most certainly can have reads on Day 1. Sin’s tryhard game is a perfect example. However there hasn’t been anything noteworthy so far (no overtly scummy posts, no overreactions etc.) When this is the case, any reads presented are just what I call “grasping at straws”.

it’s just like building a case in real life. I can believe you’re guilty or whatever, but if I don’t have substantial evidence to charge you with murder & put you away, I’m not going to bring it forward.

 

[Drago]

@Natalija you oughta finish reading the thread. I wanna see some reads from ya.

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija you oughta finish reading the thread. I wanna see some reads from ya.

Too lazy, ain’t happening

 

[Drago]

Too lazy, ain’t happening

It's only 10 pages

 

[Vivo Diez]

Too lazy, ain’t happening

At least you bothered role revealing yourself with your avatar huh

 

[Drago]

@Vivo Diez you've been quite an active player so far. Have you given your reads yet?

 

[Natalija]

It's only 10 pages

You underestimate the power of my laz

At least you bothered role revealing yourself with your avatar huh

I’d wish

How about you answer me instead?

 

[Natalija]

*laziness

 

[Vivo Diez]

@Vivo Diez you've been quite an active player so far. Have you given your reads yet?

Yep.

You underestimate the power of my laz

I’d wish

How about you answer me instead?

I already gave my reads, I won't repeat myself to someone who cba to read

 

[Flower]

@Denim why are you dodging my questions?

 

[Hero]

So you're saying I'm scum?

I don’t know how you gathered that from reading his post. Don’t put words in their mouth.

Have you ever seen me make long af posts and answering every single question people throw at me when Town?

Sin is an individual. You are an individual. Just because you behave one way as town doesn’t mean Sin behaves the same way.

I know and this wasn't my point in the post you quoted.

Your argument against sin would be stronger if you could provide examples to other games so we could compare them to this game.

@Lord Melkor Now this is a part of Day 1 where you can start posting reads/working a sus list. Do you see how the game atmosphere/dynamic has changed?

 

[Cooler]

Not a fan of Cypher in her exchanges with Sin and Denim. Too much pointing fingers, not enough attempt to foster discussion in a meaningful way.

[Change Vote Lynch Cypher]

 

[Hayumi]

Too lazy, ain’t happening

Dear lord.

 

[Flower]

I don’t know how you gathered that from reading his post. Don’t put words in their mouth.

Sin is an individual. You are an individual. Just because you behave one way as town doesn’t mean Sin behaves the same way.

Your argument against sin would be stronger if you could provide examples to other games so we could compare them to this game.

@Lord Melkor Now this is a part of Day 1 where you can start posting reads/working a sus list. Do you see how the game atmosphere/dynamic has changed?

Well, he has to have a very strong Town read on Sin to read me scum from accusing him. The second point was about my play and not Sin at all. And to your third, I already gave Get Good 3 as an example.

 

[Natalija]

I already gave my reads, I won't repeat myself to someone who cba to read

Oh?

I agree on LM and Hero.

Hero took a lot of users to task over what they said. Even if it's minor stuff, that's all you can go by on the first day.

LM is still his overtly accusatory scummy self, but he seems to be putting in more genuine effort to help town than what I've seen from his actual scum plays.

Agreeing with Hayumi, was this it?

 

[Vivo Diez]

Oh?


Agreeing with Hayumi, was this it?

You skipped out on one, but you're almost there. Soon enough you'll be all caught up

 

[Natalija]

You skipped out on one, but you're almost there. Soon enough you'll be all caught up

Well I ISOd you, and this is the closest resemblance to a read and even that was just shadowing Hayumi

 

[Flower]

Just imagine getting voted up for suspecting somebody. You guys aren't even making any sense, you're just bandwagoning.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Well I ISOd you, and this is the closest resemblance to a read and even that was just shadowing Hayumi

You skipped my whole post sussing a certain someone

 

[Flower]

@Vivo Diez what are your reads on Denim and Sin specifically? Do you have any?

 

[Hero]

Well, he has to have a very strong Town read on Sin to read me scum from accusing him. The second point was about my play and not Sin at all. And to your third, I already gave Get Good 3 as an example.

1. He didn’t read you as scum for your Sin play. If I was in the thread at the time, I would have picked at your argument too. He didn’t actually place a vote on you until you guys had several exchanges back & forth and he deemed your responses unsatisfactory. I’ll have to read what you said again myself to see if I agree with his assessment.

2. But you’re using your play & comparing it to Sin and how’s he’s being “over defensive”

3. Fine enough.

 

[Flower]

1. He didn’t read you as scum for your Sin play. If I was in the thread at the time, I would have picked at your argument too. He didn’t actually place a vote on you until you guys had several exchanges back & forth and he deemed your responses unsatisfactory. I’ll have to read what you said again myself to see if I agree with his assessment.

2. But you’re using your play & comparing it to Sin and how’s he’s being “over defensive”

3. Fine enough.

1) Fair enough, but conflicting views exist, too.

2) Never did I compare anything. This was solely about my play and how Denim expects me to play as Town. It wasn't about Sin.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Anyway, I'm gonna go off for a while. Here are some current thoughts:

-Alibaba is completely fluffing just like last game I played with him where he flipped scum. I'm not a big fan of that strategy in general even if he is town, it's not helpful at all. I will move my vote off him if someone more worthy comes up, but it's staying for now.

-Bandwagon on Cypher is a bit weird. Some people called him out for his arguments against lynching Sin being weak, but their arguments against Cypher aren't that much stronger. Cypher himself got voted to be lynched by LM who's only argument was "you were mafia prior". And then @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor basically gauged Cypher's response to the lynch. Cypher did a similar thing against Sin and pointed out how overtly defensive he was getting. If we're calling Cypher out for this kind of shit, why aren't we calling out @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor? Some people are coming off a little bit opportunistic.

-Hayumi, Hero, LM seem fine to me for now. Don't trust anyone else yet.

 

[Cooler]

Just imagine getting voted up for suspecting somebody. You guys aren't even making any sense, you're just bandwagoning.

Well this is just a blatant lie.

 

[Hero]

1) Fair enough, but conflicting views exist, too.

2) Never did I compare anything. This was solely about my play and how Denim expects me to play as Town. It wasn't about Sin.

Ok, then I read it wrong.

In the meantime, I’ll read over the exchange again.

 

[Flower]

Well this is just a blatant lie.

Excuse me? You didn't even read my post after quoting it since you pointed something out which I already said in that very post.

 

[Cooler]

Excuse me? You didn't even read my post after quoting it since you pointed something out which I already said in that very post.

But I'm voting for you based off your exchanges with Sin and Denim which felt insincere to me.

 

[Flower]

But I'm voting for you based off your exchanges with Sin and Denim which felt insincere to me.

When you're not even reading what I wrote properly? You expect me to believe you were reading our exchange when you didn't even do that?

 

[Natalija]

Anyway, I'm gonna go off for a while. Here are some current thoughts:

-Alibaba is completely fluffing just like last game I played with him where he flipped scum. I'm not a big fan of that strategy in general even if he is town, it's not helpful at all. I will move my vote off him if someone more worthy comes up, but it's staying for now.

-Bandwagon on Cypher is a bit weird. Some people called him out for his arguments against lynching Sin being weak, but their arguments against Cypher aren't that much stronger. Cypher himself got voted to be lynched by LM who's only argument was "you were mafia prior". And then @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor basically gauged Cypher's response to the lynch. Cypher did a similar thing against Sin and pointed out how overtly defensive he was getting. If we're calling Cypher out for this kind of shit, why aren't we calling out @Go D. Usopp and @Lord Melkor? Some people are coming off a little bit opportunistic.

-Hayumi, Hero, LM seem fine to me for now. Don't trust anyone else yet.

You suddenly turned serious, this sounds like a very calculated post to me.

 

[Ekkologix]

got 4 more pages so lets iwan this

I remember Xebec usually being confused about setup in these games at the beginning and he is usually town.



I felt Cypher's first few votes were her blending in and nervous about first vote on her.

I also do not like people casually dismissing Usopp and saying you cannot have reads or feels early game.@John Wayne, @Hero do you think early reads and discusding them have 0 value? With this logic day 1 is mostly useless.

i dont like this soft buddying from u, but i gotta agree that the way they r dissmissing the reads is a bit weird

Hayumi might be Town this game as well. She self voted as well the last game I played with Town Hayumi and her reactions seem fine so far.


For now...

[Vote Lynch SinRaven].

last time hayumi started talking alot after being called out he flipped scum lol. guy doesnt look town at all imo.

also btw sin's first vote on ToG game was on Atlantic, his scummate. not sure if he does it everytime tho tbh. but shouldnt be overlooked

Well, you lost the bet unless Melkor is actually scum. But it’s way too early for anyone to really tell. As for me, just because I got mafia several times recently doesn't mean I get it every time ningen.

sure kap, will get an avi ready for ya no worries

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

well i certainly feel a bit of buddying from melkor and denim.

in melkors case he does it when scum, in denims case he did it in ToG game when he was town and actually defended a scum.

so i must say melkor is worst looking than denim

 

[Lord Melkor]

Sin’s looking town af for leaving after that random vote on melodie. He usually seems to play super carefully as scum in comparison to when he’s town. But it’s too early to tell anything based off that alone. I wish the game was moving along a little faster.

On another note, I really like Hero right now. He’s making some great points in conversation and already took the lead for being townie imo.

Xebec and Ussop are both playing how I expect them to play, simply going off meta alone. But Ussop played in a very similar fashion during the Tower of God mess, so I know better then to just assume based on his meta after that experience -.-.

I like Flower’s reads so far, but need to look back at her posts. Same with LM. So far the only person I’m not liking is Denim, but I need to iso and see what exactly pinged me from my initial read through.

This looks too friendly to me. Many town suspects, what about scum suspects?

 

[John Wayne]

Iwan would have turned each of those quotes into a post you faker

 

[John Wayne]

This looks too friendly to me. Many town suspects, what about scum suspects?

Town suspects??

 

[Cooler]

When you're not even reading what I wrote properly? You expect me to believe you were reading our exchange when you didn't even do that?

This is the kind of thing I don't like. You're being waaaaay too dismissive of anyone that's disagreeing with you.

 

[Flower]

This is the kind of thing I don't like. You're being waaaaay too dismissive of anyone that's disagreeing with you.

This still doesn't answer my question. Just like Denim, he says I'm dodging questions, but also dodges my questions.

So you're not making any sense. Point stands.

 

[Ekkologix]

I never answer people who I think are scum. That's why and you actually know this.

so thats y u dont answer me everytime

For starters, he was the first person to make actual susses and actually carry the conversation forward. When I have the time I’ll try and iso his posts.

just discrediting my reads cuz he has a bit of tmi maybe isnt an actual case breh

 

[John Wayne]

This is the kind of thing I don't like. You're being waaaaay too dismissive of anyone that's disagreeing with you.

That's just Cypher's playstyle though, it's one of the things that are pretty consistent with her.

That and her completely choking as scum when there's pressure on her.

I don't really see that happening here.

 

[Flower]

so thats y u dont answer me everytime


just discrediting my reads cuz he has a bit of tmi maybe isnt an actual case breh

Actually that's because you drive me crazy and I'd like to keep my sanity, but sure, let's go with that.

 

[Ekkologix]

[Vote Lynch Flower]

I'm gonna head in this direction for now. Her vote against Sin came across to jumping at the opportunity to get pursue her fake scum read because that whole reason for why Sin is bad was a big stretch and just honestly didn't make much sense to me. Her responses in our back n forth just now didn't really help alleviate this as I was arguing with her to see if it would it more or less just made it worse.

There was also another post of Flower's that initially pinged me. That was that Town reads post she made with around 4 town leans and nothing else. This gave me bad vibes because I believe that scum would have a much easier time coming up with town reads and not scum. But it could also very well be that she's just a townie who had nothing but town reads at that point. Unlikely but who knows. Just food for thought.

ok but like cyphers reactions and replies to u arent her usual scum self when she is more quiet

unless u think shes melkors scummate again and he was simply bussing her

 

[Cooler]

This still doesn't answer my question. Just like Denim, he says I'm dodging questions, but also dodges my questions.

So you're not making any sense. Point stands.

You asked me a rhetorical question and that's it lol. You've basically said, "Because you misread one of my posts I'm not going to believe you've read any of the subsequent posts".

I don't think this kind of response and attitude is town. It's just plain shitty lol.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Rather:

"You did this!"

"Some long af explanation why he didn't."

His defence was fine at the point to me, he did not write an essay. Also, i recall his votes on Melodie like this in other games.