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Hayumi said:
Cypher susses sin, and got sussed for sussing him on a “weak basis”. I think, but tbh I haven’t been paying attention to everything yet. I get where cypher was coming from, but I got the opposite idea from his troll vote on melodie. It just came across as something townish sin would do to me.
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Bruh, how can you be calling the Flower wagon cringe when by your own admission, you haven't understood everything yet? :drake
 
Denim said:
Bruh, how can you be calling the Flower wagon cringe when by your own admission, you haven't understood everything yet? :drake
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Because it's Bulls***?

Usopp: Started the wagon, no reason.
LM: Said he didn't like my reaction to being voted when I didn't even really react.
You: Said your reasons.
Cooler: Just parroting you.
Nessos: Cooler told him to vote me and he did no questions asked. You can't rely on his reads on me anyway cuz he has none.


Tell me how it's not Bulls***.
 
Hayumi said:
I don’t even have three “scum reads” tbh but all the people I’d be fine with lynching first in no particular order:
Ussop (annoying af)
Melkor (seems to be trying to contribute but isn’t really tbh. Also he seemed eager to make me an alternative wagon from flower as soon as Ussop sussed both me and him)
Flower ( a lot of information gained)

:rengescust
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Not a whole fan of the Flower reason. Feels like you're just trying to bandwagon it really. "Info gained" is a rather eh main reason to lynch someone. Should be used as a bonus. But I guess that's just my own opinion.
 
Cypher said:
Because it's Bulls***?

Usopp: Started the wagon, no reason.
LM: Said he didn't like my reaction to being voted when I didn't even really react.
You: Said your reasons.
Cooler: Just parroting you.
Nessos: Cooler told him to vote me and he did no questions asked. You can't rely on his reads on me anyway cuz he has none.


Tell me how it's not Bulls***.
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i started the wagon to test the panic meter and i got a good response

u r currently at 73 panicgrams

good results on the meter
 
Cypher said:
Why would I assume this is a Mafia vs Indie battle WHEN I'M F***ING TOWN?!


Look at it like I was Town and then give your opinion because that's exactly what i am and what i will flip.
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WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT I WOULD KNOW THAT SIN IS TOQN WHEN I DON'T EITHER OF YOUR ALIGNMENT'S?!??!

You can you're town all you want but I don't give a darn. I have no incentive to believe you!
 
Shrike said:
What are you doing? Trying to dig into their meta as if there's nothing better to dig into?
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I’ve heard what I needed to hear regarding the biggest event of the day phase and have made my conclusions regarding it. If you have something that’s worthy to dig into, I’m open to suggestions.
Natalija said:
Like what?
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You’re posting like a Alibaba/Juan love child. I always thought you were a more serious and no nonsense poster.

But then again I don’t really pay attention to games I’m in unless I start from the beginning.
 
Nessos said:
Why after me?
I haven't read back yet. Neither read a Post of Cyphet nor SinRaven so far.
Cooler seems to be the strongest pusher on Flower train and JW strongest pusher on Sin train.
No real read on any of them yet.

Your turn.
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You asked about quite specific people again. I understand Cypher as she is the center of attention right now but others, not so much. Denim was pushing Cypher way more than Cooler. Cooler was just the one who kept his stance and didn't care about discussing it too much (there isn't much to discuss there anyway, his reasons are day1 usual paper-thin reasons but valid as they are. He might sound a bit unreasonable in his pursuit though, so there's that).

JW also didn't have too strong of a reason to push for Sin lynch, just like my reasons for voting you is mostly based on my gut read as you only had what, 4 posts? So not much to say there. I am neutral towards him atm.

Nothing on Sin as he was simply posting some arrogant garbage and left, so I'll wait for more.

Finally, I was the first (and the only one) to suggest that Usopp and Cypher might be scumbuddies, but Cypher gives me a slight town feel with her defense. It's half-hearted, she isn't raving in defense at the moment. Could still be a good lynch.
 
Cypher said:
Because it's Bulls***?

Usopp: Started the wagon, no reason.
LM: Said he didn't like my reaction to being voted when I didn't even really react.
You: Said your reasons.
Cooler: Just parroting you.
Nessos: Cooler told him to vote me and he did no questions asked. You can't rely on his reads on me anyway cuz he has none.


Tell me how it's not Bulls***.
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Okay, but I was asking Hayuni not you Flow. Two completely different perspectives here. I understand whys you find it to be bullshit but I want to see his perspective.
 
Hero said:
I’ve heard what I needed to hear regarding the biggest event of the day phase and have made my conclusions regarding it. If you have something that’s worthy to dig into, I’m open to suggestions.

You’re posting like a Alibaba/Juan love child. I always thought you were a more serious and no nonsense poster.

But then again I don’t really pay attention to games I’m in unless I start from the beginning.
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i can tell thats y ur dumass voted me when cypher survived 2 lynches last time :lmao
 
Shrike said:
You asked about quite specific people again. I understand Cypher as she is the center of attention right now but others, not so much. Denim was pushing Cypher way more than Cooler. Cooler was just the one who kept his stance and didn't care about discussing it too much (there isn't much to discuss there anyway, his reasons are day1 usual paper-thin reasons but valid as they are. He might sound a bit unreasonable in his pursuit though, so there's that).

JW also didn't have too strong of a reason to push for Sin lynch, just like my reasons for voting you is mostly based on my gut read as you only had what, 4 posts? So not much to say there. I am neutral towards him atm.

Nothing on Sin as he was simply posting some arrogant garbage and left, so I'll wait for more.

Finally, I was the first (and the only one) to suggest that Usopp and Cypher might be scumbuddies, but Cypher gives me a slight town feel with her defense. It's half-hearted, she isn't raving in defense at the moment. Could still be a good lynch.
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Don't bother explaining anything related to me to Nessos. He's literally not even reading my posts.
 
Denim said:
Bruh, how can you be calling the Flower wagon cringe when by your own admission, you haven't understood everything yet? :drake
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I thought I did but clearly not.
Denim said:
Not a whole fan of the Flower reason. Feels like you're just trying to bandwagon it really. "Info gained" is a rather eh main reason to lynch someone. Should be used as a bonus. But I guess that's just my own opinion.
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What do you mean? I’ve been against her lynch if anything. I’m not voting for flower, but if I had to three people lynched, she’d be one of the only useful ones information wise. But I don’t really sus her as scum personally.
 
Hayumi said:
I thought I did but clearly not.

What do you mean? I’ve been against her lynch if anything. I’m not voting for flower, but if I had to three people lynched, she’d be one of the only useful ones information wise. But I don’t really sus her as scum personally.
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That just sounds kind of contradictory. You've been against the lynch cause you don't like the wagon but are okay with it because info could be gained. I don't understand how that makes sense.
 
Shrike said:
You asked about quite specific people again. I understand Cypher as she is the center of attention right now but others, not so much. Denim was pushing Cypher way more than Cooler. Cooler was just the one who kept his stance and didn't care about discussing it too much (there isn't much to discuss there anyway, his reasons are day1 usual paper-thin reasons but valid as they are. He might sound a bit unreasonable in his pursuit though, so there's that).

JW also didn't have too strong of a reason to push for Sin lynch, just like my reasons for voting you is mostly based on my gut read as you only had what, 4 posts? So not much to say there. I am neutral towards him atm.

Nothing on Sin as he was simply posting some arrogant garbage and left, so I'll wait for more.

Finally, I was the first (and the only one) to suggest that Usopp and Cypher might be scumbuddies, but Cypher gives me a slight town feel with her defense. It's half-hearted, she isn't raving in defense at the moment. Could still be a good lynch.
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u bring up all that yet ur vote is on nessos, when it should be used to pressure one of those 4 ppl into talking more

mind u that nessos voted on cypher right as cooler told him to do so. and he clearly stated that he didnt read the thread so really doubt scum would be that obvious. your vote on nessos is rly bad imo
 
Cypher said:
Where is the derail attempt? Where am I trying to save myself? Where are my apparent scum buddies trying to save me? How does me being scum make sense?
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Wdym by derail attempt? You've clearly been trying to save yourself by defending this lynch. If you're talking about voting someone else to stop your lynch, then why would you do that? It's no where near EoD for anybody to start that kind of stuff.

There have been multiple people here who have spoken against your lynch. Lord Melkor is trying to create a counter wagon on Hayuni. I'm not saying that these guys here are your buddies but to say that nobody is trying to save you and your lynch is just rolling by is a blatant lie.
 
Denim said:
Wdym by derail attempt? You've clearly been trying to save yourself by defending this lynch. If you're talking about voting someone else to stop your lynch, then why would you do that? It's no where near EoD for anybody to start that kind of stuff.

There have been multiple people here who have spoken against your lynch. Lord Melkor is trying to create a counter wagon on Hayuni. I'm not saying that these guys here are your buddies but to say that nobody is trying to save you and your lynch is just rolling by is a blatant lie.
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See my lynch through and face the consequences. Don't back down.
 
Cypher said:
He didn't even suspect me or vote me back from what he wrote. So why are you suspecting me when he doesn't even do that? Why are you white knighting him this hard?
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WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NEED TO SUSPECT YOU BEFORE I SUSPECT YOU?!? MY SUSPICION IS NOT DEPENDENT ON HIS FLOWER.

What the fuck, Flower? How are you even coming with this? His own reads are completely irrelevant to mine and that was clear from the moment I started arguing with you.
 
Hero said:
I mean I see the questions Sin asked & Cypher answered them. The only people saying Cypher didn’t ask Sin’s questions are people other than Sin

@SinRaven Do you feel like Cypher answered your questions? Also change your ava back
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I don't feel like Cypher has been answering my questions at all, but I don't suspect her for it. Like she said herself to Denim: she doesn't answer the questions of people she thinks are scum. I think that's pretty stupid, tbh, but I don't feel like something like that is out of the question for Town!Cypher to do.

In fact, after all the discussion and the level-headedness and stubbornness I've seen her display, I feel like from what I've seen from her play it more or less aligns with the Town!Cypher I know. Her unwillingness to see the other side of things, ignoring the flaws people point out in her and general uncooperativeness might be scum traits, but it's something I've seen Town!Cypher do many times. The Scum!Cypher I know generally posts a lot too, but is scared (as I've seen her post in scumchats) and usually wants to move to other subjects instead of sticking to the same thing over and over, even when a lot of others think she is wrong.

To be fair, this is based on everything I've seen so far, which isn't a lot. I basically only read page one, and skimmed over a few things between my initial posts and the discussion I had with Cypher, but other than that I don't know.
 
Denim said:
That just sounds kind of contradictory. You've been against the lynch cause you don't like the wagon but are okay with it because info could be gained. I don't understand how that makes sense.
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I was asked who my three scum susses were by whoever it was I initially quoted, after telling Ussop I didn’t have one particular person I wanted lynched. So instead I gave three who I’d be ok with lynching, since I really don’t have strong susses atm. Granted I’m still at work so I haven’t given everything a proper iso. But I’ve had enough time so I keep popping in and out. Which is why I need to look back through everything. I’d prefer someone with a heavy amount of sus by a multitude of people to be lynched, then one of the inactifags. But I don’t plan on putting my vote on flower, nor do I want her to get lynched, so I need to look back over all my options. I realize this may sound a little contradictory but that’s all I got sorry. I also know I’m scum read pretty much all the time whether I’m scum or town because of my play style and meta remaining the same, so I’m a very easy push for actual mafia/indies.
 
Cypher said:
Whatever now. You're hell bent on me being scum. You're wrong. End of story.
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I am hell-bent on you being scum. Really??? I've made my case on you and I've never pushed for others to lynch you. I even said to Usopp that your defensiveness is townie for you. All I'm doing is just responding to these preposterous posts you're saying about me but apparently I'm hell-bent on you being scum.
 
Denim said:
I am hell-bent on you being scum. Really??? I've made my case on you and I've never pushed for others to lynch you. I even said to Usopp that your defensiveness is townie for you. All I'm doing is just responding to these preposterous posts you're saying about me but apparently I'm hell-bent on you being scum.
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In short you now think I'm Town and just don't want to admit you were wrong?
 
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