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[SinRaven]

@Hero

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His "Wait Mello is in this??" is what makes it feel fake. It's not only his vote which is NAI, it's how it is placed.

Guess what, that part is fake. It's merely a jokey-reason to jokingly 'justify' why I suddenly placed a vote on Melodie. I knew Melodie was in this game as I got a notification she was added to the notification conversation thing. That thing was just a reminder for me and all of you that I vote Melodie in every game we're in together.
So. You're reading too much into shit Cypher. As always. Learn to let go instead of being such a stubborn bitch at times thanks. You're wrong.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Cooler and I never once defended Sin, Flower. Is saying that you're scummy for the way you suspected him a defense somehow?

It would be naive to think that it wouldn't be seen as one, especially the fervor with which you've pursed the topic.

 

[Flower]

Jesus Christ Cypher just because these dumb nuts are voting you doesn't you you should just fall over and take it. As long as you don't give up there's still hope.

I said my points and it feels like I'm talking to a wall.

 

[Natalija]

Jesus Christ Cypher just because these dumb nuts are voting you doesn't you you should just fall over and take it. As long as you don't give up there's still hope.

These posts are so strange, almost like a kind passive

 

[Nessos]

Cooler and I never once defended Sin, Flower. Is saying that you're scummy for the way you suspected him a defense somehow?

You pushed Cypher instead of Sin, the Sin who got scumreaded by Cypher.

You definetly defended Sin in Cyphers eyes. In TownCyphers world everyone knows Cypher is Town and Cyphers reads are flawless resulting in:
pushing Cypher = protecting the one Cypher is pushing

 

[Ekkologix]

You can’t even be on the same page with yourself

 

[Flower]

You pushed Cypher instead of Sin, the Sin who got scumreaded by Cypher.

You definetly defended Sin in Cyphers eyes. In TownCyphers world everyone knows Cypher is Town and Cyphers reads are flawless resulting in:
pushing Cypher = protecting the one Cypher is pushing

That's literally not even what I said, but how would you know anyway.

 

[SinRaven]

@SinRaven what do you think about Cooler and Denim hard defending you? And about my wagon?

From what I've seen, Cooler and Denim just see reason in my posts. I don't think they're hard defending me as much as attacking you, so you are probably reading too much into it again. But to be fair, I haven't seen much. Aside from Denim's initial vote I hadn't seen other people voting/suspecting you, I still have a lot of catching up to do, so in general I have no real meaningful thoughts on this,

 

[Natalija]

You pushed Cypher instead of Sin, the Sin who got scumreaded by Cypher.

You definetly defended Sin in Cyphers eyes. In TownCyphers world everyone knows Cypher is Town and Cyphers reads are flawless resulting in:
pushing Cypher = protecting the one Cypher is pushing

this is actually very true

 

[Hero]

@Cypher What is your opinion of Hayumi? He’s the only one who blatantly hard defended Sin’s absence.

 

[Ekkologix]

I'm on the same page as you. Lynch me and see how f***ing wrong you are.

u r a goner dw im not letting u off my hands

im trying to find who r ur scummates, starting with hayumi or melkor

 

[SinRaven]

I said my points and it feels like I'm talking to a wall.

God now you know how it feels like to discuss with you, funny huh.

 

[Melontonin]

In the Sin vs Flower argument I'd have to agree with the fact that there wasn't really anything to catch, people are busy and that vote doesn't really mean anything. But seeing the aftermath of this argument I think that there is a bigger picture formed about the players here.

First thing that caught my eye (not about the Sin vs. Flower argument) was Hayumi's reads, which were mostly town reads. It's already been mentioned since then though, so it's not exactly new, but it's the very first impression of their possible alignment. Not only that, but once they've been called out for it, their sus list was meh at best, there wasn't any explanation for the suspicion on Ali or Denim (? I think).

Second thing I noticed is Usopp's wagoning; it did not take him much to jump on the Flower wagon. Don't think that he is town I'll say that now.

Third thing is Cooler. They're very convinced that Flower is scum, and particularly trying to convince John about it? Why John out of all the people here? And trying so hard to do it too, I don't get it.

I am still reading, I just thought I would leave this here.

 

[Flower]

Yeah, I'm done here.

There is only so much BS I can put up with.

Good Bye.

 

[John Wayne]

These posts are so strange, almost like a kind passive

I just really dislike seeing her give up like this, I've seen it before and I know she can do better.

 

[Ekkologix]

does cypher has an ability that kill some of her voters or sm sht

 

[SinRaven]

Can't believe I'm the talk of town even when I'm gone for most of the phase

Y'all just love me so much don't ya ~

 

[Flower]

I just really dislike seeing her give up like this, I've seen it before and I know she can do better.

I'm attacked from all sides now and just don't want to defend myself over Bulls*** anymore.

 

[Vivo Diez]

@Cypher What is your opinion of Hayumi? He’s the only one who blatantly hard defended Sin’s absence.

Man we're really in the weeds now if defending a person for leaving a thread to get on with their lives is sus behavior

 

[Flower]

I am Mei Terumi btw and Town. But you will see after this DP anyway.

 

[Natalija]

I am Mei Terumi btw and Town. But you will see after this DP anyway.

did you really claim right now.

 

[Nessos]

Can't believe I'm the talk of town even when I'm gone for most of the phase

Y'all just love me so much don't ya ~

Its more like an accident you want to look away, but you can't

 

[Hero]

Man we're really in the weeds now if defending a person for leaving a thread to get on with their lives is sus behavior

Not really. Hayumi wrote a whole essay on it. Moreover, it’s SinRaven’s job to deal with the repercussions of his absence. It isn’t our job to defend SinRaven for his irl obligations. That’s the hosts job if the player notified them beforehand or the players once they return. We don’t know anyone’s alignment in this game 100% other than our own.

I’ve been absent in games before. Have you seen anyone defend me? Nope.

 

[Hayumi]

Typical.

 

[Hero]

Man we're really in the weeds now if defending a person for leaving a thread to get on with their lives is sus behavior

It’s just that in a game of deceit and such, why the hell are we being altruistic

 

[Vivo Diez]

Not really. Hayumi wrote a whole essay on it. Moreover, it’s SinRaven’s job to deal with the repercussions of his absence. It isn’t our job to defend SinRaven for his irl obligations. That’s the hosts job if the player notified them beforehand or the players once they return. We don’t know anyone’s alignment in this game 100% other than our own.

I’ve been absent in games before. Have you seen anyone defend me? Nope.

Except Sin had already returned and explained his position before your posted that, clearing himself of the suspicion that he might have been hiding for whatever reason

 

[Flower]

did you really claim right now.

Yes.

 

[Natalija]

Yes.

why do you always have to claim first right away

 

[Vivo Diez]

I am Mei Terumi btw and Town. But you will see after this DP anyway.

Why u do dis

 

[Hero]

Except Sin had already returned and explained his position before your posted that, clearing himself of the suspicion that he might have been hiding for whatever reason

Did he?

I could have sworn he voted/dipped, Cypher cyphered, Sin returns & battles cypher and leaves again for work, then Hayumi defends sin despite Sin already handling his own business with cypher.

 

[Drago]

I was asked who my three scum susses were by whoever it was I initially quoted, after telling Ussop I didn’t have one particular person I wanted lynched. So instead I gave three who I’d be ok with lynching, since I really don’t have strong susses atm. Granted I’m still at work so I haven’t given everything a proper iso. But I’ve had enough time so I keep popping in and out. Which is why I need to look back through everything. I’d prefer someone with a heavy amount of sus by a multitude of people to be lynched, then one of the inactifags. But I don’t plan on putting my vote on flower, nor do I want her to get lynched, so I need to look back over all my options. I realize this may sound a little contradictory but that’s all I got sorry. I also know I’m scum read pretty much all the time whether I’m scum or town because of my play style and meta remaining the same, so I’m a very easy push for actual mafia/indies.

Alright, that's fair. I understand.

 

[Nessos]

Is @John Wayne always cheering up others like he is doing right now with Cypher?

I never notice that kind of behaviour from him. Did I just miss it or is this sth new?

 

[Drago]

In short you now think I'm Town and just don't want to admit you were wrong?

No, Flower.

 

[Flower]

why do you always have to claim first right away

I'm a dead girl walking, Nat. So who cares.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Did he?

I could have sworn he voted/dipped, Cypher cyphered, Sin returns & battles cypher and leaves again for work, then Hayumi defends sin despite Sin already handling his own business with cypher.

I meant these string of posts a page before you posted:

I don't feel like Cypher has been answering my questions at all, but I don't suspect her for it. Like she said herself to Denim: she doesn't answer the questions of people she thinks are scum. I think that's pretty stupid, tbh, but I don't feel like something like that is out of the question for Town!Cypher to do.

In fact, after all the discussion and the level-headedness and stubbornness I've seen her display, I feel like from what I've seen from her play it more or less aligns with the Town!Cypher I know. Her unwillingness to see the other side of things, ignoring the flaws people point out in her and general uncooperativeness might be scum traits, but it's something I've seen Town!Cypher do many times. The Scum!Cypher I know generally posts a lot too, but is scared (as I've seen her post in scumchats) and usually wants to move to other subjects instead of sticking to the same thing over and over, even when a lot of others think she is wrong.

To be fair, this is based on everything I've seen so far, which isn't a lot. I basically only read page one, and skimmed over a few things between my initial posts and the discussion I had with Cypher, but other than that I don't know.

Guess what, that part is fake. It's merely a jokey-reason to jokingly 'justify' why I suddenly placed a vote on Melodie. I knew Melodie was in this game as I got a notification she was added to the notification conversation thing. That thing was just a reminder for me and all of you that I vote Melodie in every game we're in together.
So. You're reading too much into shit Cypher. As always. Learn to let go instead of being such a stubborn bitch at times thanks. You're wrong.

From what I've seen, Cooler and Denim just see reason in my posts. I don't think they're hard defending me as much as attacking you, so you are probably reading too much into it again. But to be fair, I haven't seen much. Aside from Denim's initial vote I hadn't seen other people voting/suspecting you, I still have a lot of catching up to do, so in general I have no real meaningful thoughts on this,

In my eyes that clears him of his absence being anything other than irl commitments, since he returned and explained away all of his positions.

 

[Natalija]

I'm a dead girl walking, Nat. So who cares.

You're far from dead anything. You have like... Two votes? You shouldn't be rattled over this ffs

 

[Nessos]

@Hero @SinRaven both of you agree with my question.... Thats don't help me.

Did I Just missed the big heart of JW or is His behaviour weird?

 

[Flower]

You're far from dead anything. You have like... Two votes? You shouldn't be rattled over this ffs

I have like 4 votes on me? If you can convince people I'm Town, go ahead, but else most will likely vote me because "info lynch".

 

[Nessos]

Agreeing with questions smh....

 

[Cooler]

Jesus Christ Cypher just because these dumb nuts are voting you doesn't you you should just fall over and take it. As long as you don't give up there's still hope.

Giving TMI vibes here.

 

[SinRaven]

@Hero @SinRaven both of you agree with my question.... Thats don't help me.

Did I Just missed the big heart of JW or is His behaviour weird?

His cheering of Cypher struck me as odd as well, but I'm not really sure if they had interaction in this game before, so it might have come natural? If not, not sure what he's doing. Not something to suspect him for, but definitely something to be wary of.

 

[Melontonin]

I am hell-bent on you being scum. Really??? I've made my case on you and I've never pushed for others to lynch you. I even said to Usopp that your defensiveness is townie for you. All I'm doing is just responding to these preposterous posts you're saying about me but apparently I'm hell-bent on you being scum.

I think if you weren't hell-bent on her being scum and that you did believed her defensiveness is a townie trait that you would have removed your vote from her, no?

 

[John Wayne]

Is @John Wayne always cheering up others like he is doing right now with Cypher?

I never notice that kind of behaviour from him. Did I just miss it or is this sth new?

My playstyle is ever evolving

 

[Cooler]

Is @John Wayne always cheering up others like he is doing right now with Cypher?

I never notice that kind of behaviour from him. Did I just miss it or is this sth new?

Guy is white knighting hard.

 

[Flower]

Guy is white knighting hard.

Says Sin's White Knight.

 

[SinRaven]

TBF not really sure what to think of Cypher if she's giving up so quickly? Makes her seem scared? That moreso aligns with her scum meta.

Idk, I think Town!Cypher would argue more to her defense, but I'm not sure how hard she defended herself so far.

Y'all have read more than me: others think she's giving up too quickly?

 

[Drago]

It would be naive to think that it wouldn't be seen as one, especially the fervor with which you've pursed the topic.

It's less that I defended Sin and more that I was attacking Flower. That's how I view it.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Says Sin's White Knight.

They should duke it out in a grand tourney for their respective m'lady's hand

 

[Flower]

Cooler is parroting others, no original thought whatsoever. And then he accuses others of buddying. Noted.

 

[Flower]

TBF not really sure what to think of Cypher if she's giving up so quickly? Makes her seem scared? That moreso aligns with her scum meta.

Idk, I think Town!Cypher would argue more to her defense, but I'm not sure how hard she defended herself so far.

Y'all have read more than me: others think she's giving up too quickly?

I literally spent half the day arguing. Been on this for hours. I'm done with this.

 

[SinRaven]

Says Sin's White Knight.

Attacking you for your flawed reasoning on me ain't white knighting or defending Cypher. Logic like this and the other logic you displayed this game will always make you a target for people. Try to see reason from time to time, jesus, maybe people will reason with you more too then.

 

[Nessos]

My playstyle is ever evolving

To find a buddy you try?

 

[Cooler]

Says Sin's White Knight.

That's not even what happened.

Cooler is parroting others, no original thought whatsoever. And then he accuses others of buddying. Noted.

When did I say anyone was buddying?

The amount of flat out fabrications and logic defying posts from you is astounding.

 

[Hero]

I meant these string of posts a page before you posted:






In my eyes that clears him of his absence being anything other than irl commitments, since he returned and explained away all of his positions.

Yeah, Hayumi made his post before those.

 

[Melontonin]

Yeah I think Flower is town, reminds me of her town meta. She hangs onto people for small things usually and right now I don't think she's panicking, but rather she's just frustrated. Imo it's between Cooler and Usopp, but I'd say Usopp is worse.

[ Vote Lynch Usopp ]

 

[Flower]

Attacking you for your flawed reasoning on me ain't white knighting or defending Cypher. Logic like this and the other logic you displayed this game will always make you a target for people. Try to see reason from time to time, jesus, maybe people will reason with you more too then.

And defending me because the accusations thrown at me are Bulls*** is white knighting?

 

[Natalija]

Well at this point a Mei or Anko would easily counterclaim, and no one seems alarmed by her claim.

I'm not sure how scum are picked among characters though, because no way all villains are scum even

 

[John Wayne]

His cheering of Cypher struck me as odd as well, but I'm not really sure if they had interaction in this game before, so it might have come natural? If not, not sure what he's doing. Not something to suspect him for, but definitely something to be wary of.

I don't perceive players purely on what they're doing in this game. If I have history with them then I have history and that isn't just magically going away.

This whole giving up shtick and digging her own grave is Cypher's biggest weakness and one I'd like to see her overcome, in this instance I frankly don't even care about alignments.

 

[Vivo Diez]

Yeah, Hayumi made his post before those.

Oh, so it's not that you don't believe Sin's absence, it's that you're questioning Hayumi's defense of his absence early on? Even though you don't personally suspect anything nefarious about his absence?

Not sure what that will get you, but I guess it's better than doing nothing

 

[Ekkologix]

In the Sin vs Flower argument I'd have to agree with the fact that there wasn't really anything to catch, people are busy and that vote doesn't really mean anything. But seeing the aftermath of this argument I think that there is a bigger picture formed about the players here.

First thing that caught my eye (not about the Sin vs. Flower argument) was Hayumi's reads, which were mostly town reads. It's already been mentioned since then though, so it's not exactly new, but it's the very first impression of their possible alignment. Not only that, but once they've been called out for it, their sus list was meh at best, there wasn't any explanation for the suspicion on Ali or Denim (? I think).

Second thing I noticed is Usopp's wagoning; it did not take him much to jump on the Flower wagon. Don't think that he is town I'll say that now.

Third thing is Cooler. They're very convinced that Flower is scum, and particularly trying to convince John about it? Why John out of all the people here? And trying so hard to do it too, I don't get it.

I am still reading, I just thought I would leave this here.

maybe...just MAYBE...

u might have happened to missed the part where i STARTED the cypher wagon

and my vote on hayumi was a joke vote, so i obv am bound to go bk to cypher after seeing her response

lmao

 

[Drago]

Sigh. Based on past games with Flower. I'm inclined to believe that she is town. Every time that Flower and me get into arguments like this, she is town. So far that has been 100% the case. When I've suspected her and we didn't argue she was wolf. Now, I guess you could say she could be faking it but has her reactions sound fake to you? Everything she's done so far matches up with the town Flower I've come to be familiar with. I won't complicate it and it'll be simple with the logic. [Unvote]

 

[Nessos]

Attacking you for your flawed reasoning on me ain't white knighting or defending Cypher. Logic like this and the other logic you displayed this game will always make you a target for people. Try to see reason from time to time, jesus, maybe people will reason with you more too then.

I can Just repeat myself.

You pushed Cypher instead of Sin, the Sin who got scumreaded by Cypher.

You definetly defended Sin in Cyphers eyes. In TownCyphers world everyone knows Cypher is Town and Cyphers reads are flawless resulting in:
pushing Cypher = protecting the one Cypher is pushing

I doubt arguing would help.

 

[Ekkologix]

I'm attacked from all sides now and just don't want to defend myself over Bulls*** anymore.

cypher i told u 3 times already

u wanna survive? lets vote up melkor/hayumi/shrike

end of story

 

[Flower]

cypher i told u 3 times already

u wanna survive? lets vote up melkor/hayumi/shrike

end of story

How about Cooler?

 

[Nessos]

[Change Vote lynch JW]

 

[Vivo Diez]

Well at this point a Mei or Anko would easily counterclaim, and no one seems alarmed by her claim.

I'm not sure how scum are picked among characters though, because no way all villains are scum even

Really? Tell me more.

 

[SinRaven]

Sigh. Based on past games with Flower. I'm inclined to believe that she is town. Every time that Flower and me get into arguments like this, she is town. So far that has been 100% the case. When I've suspected her and we didn't argue she was wolf. Now, I guess you could say she could be faking it but has her reactions sound fake to you? Everything she's done so far matches up with the town Flower I've come to be familiar with. I won't complicate it and it'll be simple with the logic. [Unvote]

Why did you only realize this at this point? I kinda realized her likely being on her stubborn town meta at the point I dropped out but that was exactly when you started to build your case against her. If you've seen her playing like this before you could've realized it earlier IMO

 

[Drago]

I think if you weren't hell-bent on her being scum and that you did believed her defensiveness is a townie trait that you would have removed your vote from her, no?

Not quite. At that time her defensiveness simply just didn't fully convince me yet.

Btw, Mel, it's Drago here! Fun seeing you around on NF.

 

[Melontonin]

maybe...just MAYBE...

u might have happened to missed the part where i STARTED the cypher wagon

and my vote on hayumi was a joke vote, so i obv am bound to go bk to cypher after seeing her response

lmao

Yeah I might have missed that, but now it kinda makes you look worse imo. Because I remember specifically that you voted her after she had the initial Denim vote. So it looks like you directed sus, and eventually it got caught on by others, and you sneakily put your vote there.

 

[Natalija]

Really? Tell me more.

Well I looked at the list and there's a lot of villains, it's not rocket science

 

[Melontonin]

Not quite. At that time her defensiveness simply just didn't fully convince me yet.

Btw, Mel, it's Drago here! Fun seeing you around on NF.

Yes I recognized you! Been a while since we played in the same game.

 

[Flower]

So if everyone has come to the conclusion that I'm Town, can we actually look at the opportunistic voters now?


Also, people who defended me aren't in the clear either.


[Unvote].

 

[Drago]

Why did you only realize this at this point? I kinda realized her likely being on her stubborn town meta at the point I dropped out but that was exactly when you started to build your case against her. If you've seen her playing like this before you could've realized it earlier IMO

I tend to wait after ending my interaction with a player before fully forming my read or changing a previous read. I consider everything they said in our argument and try to reach the best conclusion. I'd rather not jump prematurely.

 

[SinRaven]

I can Just repeat myself.

I doubt arguing would help.

I know, I'm trying to maybe explain it to Cypher once more and try to have her change her stubborn ways, even though I know better and it's a lost cause. Call me hopeful or call me foolish.

 

[Nessos]

I know, I'm trying to maybe explain it to Cypher once more and try to have her change her stubborn ways, even though I know better and it's a lost cause. Call me hopeful or call me foolish.

I call you foolish

 

[Vivo Diez]

Well I looked at the list and there's a lot of villains, it's not rocket science

I see 5 entries where either character is a "traditional villain".

You're probably right, I doubt Nitty set up the game where the fake claim is always the villain if there is a villain to choose from, but you just seemed very sure of it is all.

 

[Melontonin]

@Cooler why did you ignore my question?

 

[Natalija]

I see 5 entries where either character is a "traditional villain".

You're probably right, I doubt Nitty set up the game where the fake claim is always the villain if there is a villain to choose from, but you just seemed very sure of it is all.

Sigh what did you want, me to tell you that I'm a villain and scum? Or that I'm a villain and town?

I'm assuming it because I see plenty villains and there probably won't be that many scum. Ergo some villains are town.

 

[Cooler]

Don't see how ya'll can be so sure this is town Flower when imo she's been pretty panicky and throwing shade at people that suss her which she often does as scum.

But OK lol.

 

[Cooler]

@Cooler why did you ignore my question?

What was your question?