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ok im trying to think why would someone save hayumi day 1? even with melkor swapping sin's vote to hayumi it still wasent enough lol

like some big time vote fuckery is going on here. more than melkor's one, and its probably hidden too

i mean think about it guys. the way cypher 1.0 played day 1 she was the easiest mislynch in history (fk u cypher 1.0) and scum could push her any day.

so why not save cypher and kill hayumi and then make it look like cypher from nitty's last game when she lived vs LG:mjlol

that way scum literally makes us mislynch twice by lynching hayumi then cypher

like its funny how none thinks of this scenario. of course unless scum cant afford to have hayumi lynched y'know :maybe
 
Melodie said:
i never said I had double vote power. Someone asked me (nessie) I said I have a normal voting power. How did this get out of control.
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i meant r u lying about not having it

Melontonin said:
So you are a kinder, townier, Nessos :pepethink

So you're saying you redirected Hayumi to Melkor? Also you're calling yourself a vig redirector, so can you only redirect killing roles?
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:drake

l am just talking to him on the thread ningen

cant tell if trolling or sarcasm
 
Go D. Usopp said:
can we drop this scum only has one killer crackpot theory

that is very dumb lol

id keep roleblocking hayumi tbh. still looks shady. unless he is willing to vig our targets of choice

starting with maybe nfc, since i think kvothe is town
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Do you not trust the vig to make their own informed choices?

Melontonin said:
Considering Hero is essentially caught, what do you all think for Cypher 2.0? I didn't like her trying to push Xebec again tbh. Kinda shadows Hero's behavior end of phase last dayphase.
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Not a huge fan currently. Mostly because I kind of think Cypher is trying to make friends in a way that at least a little bit feels like mafia looking for friends to me. Not sold on it though
 
nfcnorth said:
Do you not trust the vig to make their own informed choices?


Not a huge fan currently. Mostly because I kind of think Cypher is trying to make friends in a way that at least a little bit feels like mafia looking for friends to me. Not sold on it though
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i dont trust the vig with being a vig lol

cypher 1.0 and sin could do 3 kills at least between them

r u telling me hayumi can do 3 too

thats alot of kill power for town tbh
 
Melodie said:
i never said I had double vote power. Someone asked me (nessie) I said I have a normal voting power. How did this get out of control.
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its a theory since cypher 1.0 didn't end in an rng lynch.

Another theory would be mafia stealing or setting one of hayumi's voters to zero.

Go D. Usopp said:
i dont trust the vig with being a vig lol

cypher 1.0 and sin could do 3 kills at least between them

r u telling me hayumi can do 3 too

thats alot of kill power for town tbh
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not to mention xebec's claim too about killing after death if he's telling the truth :thunk
 
two things that sorta bothered me before i try to go to sleep

his reasoning on why he blocked sin. I took a quick iso and it didnt seem sin wasnt on his radar of sus lists. Why not Xebec or Ussop if he heavily suspects them.

cypher knew who hero is, character wise and not alignment. And I imagine hero has the same ability cause he mentioned he has the same passive as cy so he knows who cy is as well. I'm trying to think if that means both are same alignment or not.
 
Natalija said:
Even if Melodie was a scum watcher - she can’t both watch and kill?
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Yes, she could. You can always use your abilities and perform the FK as scum the same night.


For me rn it's this:

A) Hero was provided a fake claim and is scum, somehow knows my role (because else I could just confirm he's scum).


B) Melodie is scum Watcher with double vote. She watched Sin and killed him. And because of her ability, this is already a perfect fake claim. Last Nitty game we had a scum Watcher and scum Tracker.

C) Vivo is the scum and neither Melodie nor Hero are.
 
@Hayumi why exactly do you trust anything Melodie or Usopp say if you are Town?

They both claim to have messaging abilities.

If Hayumi = Town, then one of them has to be scum because of the wagons from D1.

I doubt somebody can Watch + send messages as Town the same night given that all roles which flipped so far only had one active ability or in Cypher 1.0's case, could only use 1 ability at night.
 
Cypher said:
Because the point about your and Cypher 1.0's wagons still stand? You wanna tell me somebody actually vote silenced somebody on your wagon?

Alternatively, Usopp is the scum with the double vote.


Does any of this make sense to you?
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i dont have double vote power or day 2 wuda ended RNG between xebec and nessos as kvothe mentioned

i think hayumi or his scummates silenced someone on his wagon. maybe melkor.
 
Go D. Usopp said:
i dont have double vote power or day 2 wuda ended RNG between xebec and nessos as kvothe mentioned

i think hayumi or his scummates silenced someone on his wagon. maybe melkor.
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Nobody knew LM used his ability on Sin, though, and the Hayumi wagon didn't even pick up at all. Don't think this was the case.


I think Melodie simply has a double vote. Her being able to use 2 abilities at night is another flag.
 
Cypher said:
Nobody knew LM used his ability on Sin, though, and the Hayumi wagon didn't even pick up at all. Don't think this was the case.


I think Melodie simply has a double vote. Her being able to use 2 abilities at night is another flag.
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hayumi was in constant pressure day 1. i was very advocate about lynching him and debates were taken against him day 1. he was even warried about melkor's vote on him so would make sense to silence him.

this defense is noted upon his flip. u r just blind trusting him too much

what kinda is in hayumis favor is that the melkor kill is stupid and looks like a frame job on him, but he claimed doing it lol, you and i have seen hayumi kill his suspects like that b4.

my end of day vote wasent on hayumi so its probably why he left me lol
 
Go D. Usopp said:
hayumi was in constant pressure day 1. i was very advocate about lynching him and debates were taken against him day 1. he was even warried about melkor's vote on him so would make sense to silence him.

this defense is noted upon his flip. u r just blind trusting him too much

what kinda is in hayumis favor is that the melkor kill is stupid and looks like a frame job on him, but he claimed doing it lol, you and i have seen hayumi kill his suspects like that b4.

my end of day vote wasent on hayumi so its probably why he left me lol
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Nowhere am I defending him. Nowhere. I'm just stating that vote silencing over 1 vote is horses***.
 
Cypher said:
Nowhere am I defending him. Nowhere. I'm just stating that vote silencing over 1 vote is horses***.
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cypher :smilepepe

i wasent there during EoD but i noticed there was no vote count and everyone thought cooler was going out

it was chaotic so hayumi wanted to stay on safe side by reducing one of his voters. if he didnt do that he cuda been RNGed out u know lmao. its not horses*** at all

out of the 3 day 1 wagon, sin killed cooler, and now sin is dead and both flipped town... and cypher 1.0 flipped town..

so if hayumi wasnt scum, where the f*** are scum??
 
last time on WoT i was confident about u being scum and none belived me for awhile cypher

u know how persistent i am. i dont give a f*** lol. u wont convince me except with a hard result or hayumis flip

dont come at me with these half ass arguments and defends or ill come after ur head after him

cypher 2.0 is all of sudden so secretive and calm. what happenes to u?? rerolled into hayumi's scummate maybe??
 
Go D. Usopp said:
cypher :smilepepe

i wasent there during EoD but i noticed there was no vote count and everyone thought cooler was going out

it was chaotic so hayumi wanted to stay on safe side by reducing one of his voters. if he didnt do that he cuda been RNGed out u know lmao. its not horses*** at all

out of the 3 day 1 wagon, sin killed cooler, and now sin is dead and both flipped town... and cypher 1.0 flipped town..

so if hayumi wasnt scum, where the f*** are scum??
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Who knows.

I for one have no clue why people are blind trusting Melodie when she confirmed she visited Sin who was killed. And claimed she can use two abilities when no flipped Townie and nobody who claimed before could. Heck, Cypher 1.0 even had a passive limiting her to only one ability at night.


What Hero claims heavily mirrors my role. I have that passive and an active. He claims to have this, too. So unless Nitty gave him a fake role, he has to be Town.


For me it's between Hayumi and Xebec, too. Both claim to have roles which require them dying. Hayumi as a restriction and Xebec's role is a straight up sacrifice. I don't think Town has two such roles. It's too harmful.
 
Cypher said:
Yes, she could. You can always use your abilities and perform the FK as scum the same night.


For me rn it's this:

A) Hero was provided a fake claim and is scum, somehow knows my role (because else I could just confirm he's scum).


B) Melodie is scum Watcher with double vote. She watched Sin and killed him. And because of her ability, this is already a perfect fake claim. Last Nitty game we had a scum Watcher and scum Tracker.

C) Vivo is the scum and neither Melodie nor Hero are.
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If Vivo is scum, then watchers don’t see him. I doubt this as a scenario.
 
Cypher said:
@Hayumi why exactly do you trust anything Melodie or Usopp say if you are Town?

They both claim to have messaging abilities.

If Hayumi = Town, then one of them has to be scum because of the wagons from D1.

I doubt somebody can Watch + send messages as Town the same night given that all roles which flipped so far only had one active ability or in Cypher 1.0's case, could only use 1 ability at night.
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I never said I trusted either, but I literally gave my exact reasoning as to why I like the hero lynch. Not only because of people essentially outing that he targeted Sin, but also because the way he seemed to be soft defending against my lynch the start of this dp.

Tbh I still don’t really understand the whole extra voting thing on me at all.
 
Hayumi said:
I never said I trusted either, but I literally gave my exact reasoning as to why I like the hero lynch. Not only because of people essentially outing that he targeted Sin, but also because the way he seemed to be soft defending against my lynch the start of this dp.

Tbh I still don’t really understand the whole extra voting thing on me at all.
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aight like stop whining

what r ur thoughts on the game currently

who do u wanna vote out right now
 
Hayumi said:
I never said I trusted either, but I literally gave my exact reasoning as to why I like the hero lynch. Not only because of people essentially outing that he targeted Sin, but also because the way he seemed to be soft defending against my lynch the start of this dp.

Tbh I still don’t really understand the whole extra voting thing on me at all.
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The lynch on you and Cypher 1.0 was not RNG.
Nobody on your wagon had no vote power ability-wise.
And Cooler on my wagon didn't have either.

Since it wasn't RNG, somebody either took away from your wagon or added to mine.

Now if you're Town, why take away from your wagon.
Conclusion: Usopp or Mel on my wagon have to have double vote power. Because adding to either wagon if we were all Town is horses***. So it has to be a passive ability giving double vote.
 
Cypher said:
The lynch on you and Cypher 1.0 was not RNG.
Nobody on your wagon had no vote power ability-wise.
And Cooler on my wagon didn't have either.

Since it wasn't RNG, somebody either took away from your wagon or added to mine.

Now if you're Town, why take away from your wagon.
Conclusion: Usopp or Mel on my wagon have to have double vote power. Because adding to either wagon if we were all Town is horses***. So it has to be a passive ability giving double vote.
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if its a passive ability then i clearly dont have it as per day 2 votes on xebec vs nessos didnt end rng

if melkor was town and had such a sick vote change ability, wouldnt doubt scum got one thats even more potent

the question is, if hayumi was town. why not vote silence one of cypher 1.0's voters and makr hayumi get lynched

and trick us into lynching cypher 1.0 next day

answer me this pls cuz it doesnt make sense to me why leave hayumi alive over cypher 1.0 if they can choose who to kill
 
Go D. Usopp said:
if its a passive ability then i clearly dont have it as per day 2 votes on xebec vs nessos didnt end rng

if melkor was town and had such a sick vote change ability, wouldnt doubt scum got one thats even more potent

the question is, if hayumi was town. why not vote silence one of cypher 1.0's voters and makr hayumi get lynched

and trick us into lynching cypher 1.0 next day

answer me this pls cuz it doesnt make sense to me why leave hayumi alive over cypher 1.0 if they can choose who to kill
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Again, how would I know?

It's not like Hayumi isn't permanently a hot topic. That much is clear.
 
Go D. Usopp said:
if its a passive ability then i clearly dont have it as per day 2 votes on xebec vs nessos didnt end rng

if melkor was town and had such a sick vote change ability, wouldnt doubt scum got one thats even more potent

the question is, if hayumi was town. why not vote silence one of cypher 1.0's voters and makr hayumi get lynched

and trick us into lynching cypher 1.0 next day

answer me this pls cuz it doesnt make sense to me why leave hayumi alive over cypher 1.0 if they can choose who to kill
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Cypher said:
The lynch on you and Cypher 1.0 was not RNG.
Nobody on your wagon had no vote power ability-wise.
And Cooler on my wagon didn't have either.

Since it wasn't RNG, somebody either took away from your wagon or added to mine.

Now if you're Town, why take away from your wagon.
Conclusion: Usopp or Mel on my wagon have to have double vote power. Because adding to either wagon if we were all Town is horses***. So it has to be a passive ability giving double vote.
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:doge This is the part where I lose some brain cells. I can’t give reasoning for why scum did what they did with the votes. Me and Cypher were both being sussed, that’s all I know. I’d really like to hear others comment on the whole voting thing and how it relates to melodie
 
Hayumi said:
:doge This is the part where I lose some brain cells. I can’t give reasoning for why scum did what they did with the votes. Me and Cypher were both being sussed, that’s all I know. I’d really like to hear others comment on the whole voting thing and how it relates to melodie
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You could also say it would be pretty dumb for you to save yourself like that by vote silencing somebody on your wagon and killing Melkor afterwards who wanted you lynched if you're scum.

That's like screaming "Hello, I'm scum!".
 
Hayumi said:
Yah, I mean I thought I already went over the whole melkor thing plenty of times but I guess not.
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I'm not 100% convinced you're Town either, but unless you pull a "scum in plain sight" play I don't see a way for you to be scum.

I don't like the blind trust in Melodie either and the jump on Hero. Feels opportunistic af. If Hero is indeed scum, we should look at the ones who seem overeager to lynch him now, too, since a wagon picking up this quickly means he's clearly being bussed.
 
Cypher said:
Another thing...if Melodie saw Nat and Hero visiting Sin, knows Natalija is an innocent child, why not go immediately after Hero since Natalija said she has no abilities, thus only Hero can be the killer from her pov?

Feels like she was just testing the waters.
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Lol she saw me visit Sin and I lied about it. What kind of person wouldn't bring that up? She did well to.
 
Natalija said:
Lol she saw me visit Sin and I lied about it. What kind of person wouldn't bring that up? She did well to.
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You didn't lie at all.

All you said previously is you saw Hero and Mel visit Sin.


It's even possible to make up a Watcher role given what you put out there, just add you to the visitors and anyone can fake Watcher.


Fact is if she saw you two visit and you're confirmed, I would insta assume Hero is the killer and go for him if I was Mel and was Town. Mel didn't. Stop trusting her this much.
 
Cypher said:
You didn't lie at all.

All you said previously is you saw Hero and Mel visit Sin.


It's even possible to make up a Watcher role given what you put out there, just add you to the visitors and anyone can fake Watcher.


Fact is if she saw you two visit and you're confirmed, I would insta assume Hero is the killer and go for him if I was Mel and was Town. Mel didn't. Stop trusting her this much.
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I did. Are you trying to twist this on purpose? She was immediately alarmed by this:

Natalija said:
I don't have any abilities, fam.

You?
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Melodie said:
you have no abilities?
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Cypher said:
Which she can also be if she's scum...


Tell me why she didn't immediately go for Hero, then. Still waiting for an explanation on that.
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Are you being intentionally daft? Phase started. I got my results. I saw two users according to my actions lying aka Nat and vivo. Latter is a host error so leave that aside. And you wonder why I didn't jump on hero immediately after that?
 
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