Legend
THE RAINMAKER
SHE FUCKING DID IT AGAIN

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I don't want to sound rude because I'm really grateful for your participation and you made this game into something I'm proud of, but I don't think a mafia who lost like two of its members in the first couple of phase has much of an argument that they lost because of game mechanics. You guys definitely had the tools to win this game. I will sympathize that Pantheon's one shot being partially absorbed by Laix was frustrating, but it was eventually compensated by FOUR town modkills. Katarina and Evelynn were pretty important roles for the end game. It would be unfair if you could lose both of those roles so early into the game and still feel strong.
This is only my first mafia game ever but isn't the entire fucking point of this game to assume everyone is a threat though? That statement seems incredibly retarded.
This is only my first mafia game ever but isn't the entire fucking point of this game to assume everyone is a threat though? That statement seems incredibly retarded.
I don't think the role did that, since with no knowledge of such a role or mechanic in the game, it had zero influence on the amount of discussion and activity.
Sure, people didn't know quoting was dangerous and thus they did it without fear, but the fact that it there was essentially a dangerous post restriction ability without any way of knowing it was in the game is kinda silly.
In the end, the role was a late game monster, as evident, and it seems kinda crazy that town (and mafia) are punished for letting a certain role get this far without any knowledge of it being a threat or even existing.
Although it indeed could've limited discussion, I think this role would've been way less overpowered if there was a write-up for each seed Zyra planted.
Uh, if people knew quoting is threat, wouldn't they just "@" people? Making it /impossible/ for the SK to win? I understand write-up of the seed being planted, but not that, really.
I think the only thing I would change with the Zyra role, is making it work only on Zyra's player posts.
Uh, if people knew quoting is threat, wouldn't they just "@" people? Making it /impossible/ for the SK to win? I understand write-up of the seed being planted, but not that, really.
Maybe not a write up, but a pm that u have a seed on u
Not telling you what I meant but yea
I didn't until VoDe did, and pointed out how it was scummy.Also, this game proves once and for all to me that mafia will gladly jump on people voting NL. If you want actual mafia, look into those peeps. WAD, Franky, Baroxio, Persecuted, Stelios all jumped on that.
I mean it's not every quote though, she literally had to pick the right post and BEFORE people quoted it too.
You guys seem to think quoting anything she posted in general killed you, which it didn't.
And great comeback with ''Your face is retarded'' What are you, 12 years old or just autistic?
Anytime, you've done this before, its the reason why i always dont trust you in games and I fell for it again. Great Game you evil evil convincing womanThanks legend!
Because Fuck You thats whyLegend didn't you say you were protecting Melodie. Why her and not me, the confirmed mason super scumhunter?
You end up spiting me even when we're both town.
It's typical of you to don't see how that part of my post was a joke, but that just might be your autism speaking.
It's obvious that this is your first game of mafia. Although I think it's not that easy to select a post that would get a lot of quotes, it definitely is easy to know which posts would definitely be quoted by one or more people.
For example, I made several posts when I were around that were directed at more people at the same time. "Hey, WAD, WPK, Marco, what do you think of this?" could've given an easy three seeds in one post without given any hint whatsoever that quoting that pos.
I'm not saying it should've been made obvious that quoting certain posts was dangerous. I'm saying it probably would've been better if there were at least some hints at a post restricting mechanic in the game or if people were noted (either through write-up or pm) whenever Zyra planted seeds.
I just don't think it's my fault that you guys didn't look for the SK, and I haven't read anything to convince me otherwise. Ultimately that's on you guys. You kind of just stumbled upon Zed and then thought you were good to go. You really have no ground to stand on here because I used the term "hostile independents" from the first post to suggest there were several anti-town threats, but to my dismay I saw very little interest in the indie roles. Finding Zed seemed to be a happy coincidence and it didn't inspire a search for more hostile independents. I think if you guys were in the right mindset you could have caught Melodie before it was too late.
Now now let's stay civil.
wasn't the entire game closed setup?To be fair Nitty, independents that can go completely undetected barring an investigation and have an ability like Zyra's are a danger that is unknown, one that isn't being left alone because no one knows its even there to engage with.
>future
>sin ever hosting a game again
I'm still convinced ur perpetually trolling us
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Catch her how? What clue was there that lead to there being another indie alive? After seeing a role like Zed's, lots of janitored roles and no indication of another independent doing anything, why would town focus on who might be acting like an independent(which Melodie wasn't for the most part)? Usually there is only one SK-like indie in a game this size, so there would be no reason to suspect a super arsonist to be lurking over something like a jester.I just don't think it's my fault that you guys didn't look for the SK, and I haven't read anything to convince me otherwise. Ultimately that's on you guys. You kind of just stumbled upon Zed and then thought you were good to go. You really have no ground to stand on here because I used the term "hostile independents" from the first post to suggest there were several anti-town threats, but to my dismay I saw very little interest in the indie roles. Finding Zed seemed to be a happy coincidence and it didn't inspire a search for more hostile independents. I think if you guys were in the right mindset you could have caught Melodie before it was too late.
How am I not civil jesus fucking christ.
It's typical of you to don't see how that part of my post was a joke, but that just might be your autism speaking.
It's obvious that this is your first game of mafia. Although I think it's not that easy to select a post that would get a lot of quotes, it definitely is easy to know which posts would definitely be quoted by one or more people.
For example, I made several posts when I were around that were directed at more people at the same time. "Hey, WAD, WPK, Marco, what do you think of this?" could've given an easy three seeds in one post without given any hint whatsoever that quoting that pos.
I'm not saying it should've been made obvious that quoting certain posts was dangerous. I'm saying it probably would've been better if there were at least some hints at a post restricting mechanic in the game or if people were noted (either through write-up or pm) whenever Zyra planted seeds.
Stelios said:If this game went my way today with hammer rolling mafia , there was no way people would believe I was bussing him they d take my teemo argument as true. Also I would have left Marco to townlead until town ate him and if they didn't and this reach LyLo he'd still had the last call in this. I trust there was no way he'd believe me being mafia and not killing him at that point.
If she had appeared in a writeup as doing something, anything really, I doubt people would be as annoyed. Quite frankly, not every game has a serial killer, and games that do usually make it incredibly apparent from the get go.I just don't think it's my fault that you guys didn't look for the SK, and I haven't read anything to convince me otherwise. Ultimately that's on you guys. You kind of just stumbled upon Zed and then thought you were good to go. You really have no ground to stand on here because I used the term "hostile independents" from the first post to suggest there were several anti-town threats, but to my dismay I saw very little interest in the indie roles. Finding Zed seemed to be a happy coincidence and it didn't inspire a search for more hostile independents. I think if you guys were in the right mindset you could have caught Melodie before it was too late.
I don't like when people throw then word autism around.
I'm not bitter or even complaining, Nitty. I'm just giving my thoughts on the role. I already congratulated Melodie and said her win was justified.
If anything, I feel like you are getting bitter that people give some criticism![]()
Yes, we predicted the lie detect and asked to edit it. Using it on the lie detect was my original idea from the get go, anyway. I also wanted to eliminate all other actions at the time, but that unfortunately could not be done with the ability.>The superkill was used in post where Illaoi lie detected Stelios. The actual writeup says that Stelios is lying and that Nocturne superkilled Sarun. Lissandra's just says that Stelios isn't lying.
Did mafia ask you to automatically edit the lie detect?
Closed set-up doesn't mean you just leave the game at large unaware of dangers they need to have some idea exist to have any chance to combat them. This is why the Cult Leader appears in write-ups when he converts people, instead of just silently taking over all of town with them not having a clue a cult is in the game.wasn't the entire game closed setup?
so what is the big deal.
There is a condition, the condition was met, you die.
I don't like when people throw the word autism around. I have a friend who does it but it never makes sense grammatically speaking.
Well people have been complaining to me throughout the game that this was too weak or that was unfair, and it's baffling because who even cares, mafia is 95% about posts and behavior and the mechanics/flavor are tacked on. I remember winning Psychic's LoL mafia game as godfather against a town and second mafia faction that both outnumbered and outmechaniced my faction. No offense to Psychic but my victory in that game did nothing to convince me that it wasn't horribly imbalanced against my faction, but I will point to that as a shining example that victory or defeat in mafia generally shouldn't be attributed to mechanics, balanced or not.
Welcome to role madness hosting. This has happened to me in every game I've hosted, you get used to it.Well people have been complaining to me throughout the game that this was too weak or that was unfair, and it's baffling because who even cares, mafia is 95% about posts and behavior and the mechanics/flavor are tacked on. I remember winning Psychic's LoL mafia game as godfather against a town and second mafia faction that both outnumbered and outmechaniced my faction. No offense to Psychic but my victory in that game did nothing to convince me that it wasn't horribly imbalanced against my faction, but I will point to that as a shining example that victory or defeat in mafia generally shouldn't be attributed to mechanics, balanced or not.
Town had found one, there was a chance one or more got janitor killed and there were no action trails to suggest another active indieYour wincon was to eliminate multiple hostile independents. If it never struck you to look for one of them, that's not because I didn't put it in a writeup.
Neither do I. I just repeated what he said to point out how fucking pathetic he sounded.
Your wincon was to eliminate multiple hostile independents. If it never struck you to look for one of them, that's not because I didn't put it in a writeup.
Well people have been complaining to me throughout the game that this was too weak or that was unfair, and it's baffling because who even cares, mafia is 95% about posts and behavior and the mechanics/flavor are tacked on. I remember winning Psychic's LoL mafia game as godfather against a town and second mafia faction that both outnumbered and outmechaniced my faction. No offense to Psychic but my victory in that game did nothing to convince me that it wasn't horribly imbalanced against my faction, but I will point to that as a shining example that victory or defeat in mafia generally shouldn't be attributed to mechanics, balanced or not.
Yes, we predicted the lie detect and asked to edit it. Using it on the lie detect was my original idea from the get go, anyway. I also wanted to eliminate all other actions at the time, but that unfortunately could not be done with the ability.
According to Nitty, the ability wasn't intended to be used in such a way, but she liked that we were thinking outside of the box and granted it to us. Originally, we would only be able to edit writeups that contained mafia actions, changing them as we wished.
>Doesn't like when people use the word autistic
>uses it to show someone they're stupid
>turns out you look stupid as well
rip
Some players here have been brainedwashed into thinking that going after Indies is scummy.
You did have indication of it. I made it pretty clear through the wincons that there were multiple anti-town roles. You just literally made no effort to find them.
Remember that Nitty was late that phase and a host of actions had to be processed. We assumed that everything would be done in one writeup, predicted that the lie detect was a part of the announcement (LG wasn't being very sly with the ability, he targeted you with it Day 1, so it was a safe bet he'd target Stelios after Stelios made the same claim), and asked to obscure everything else.WHat I'm asking is
Did you guys tell Nitty to specifically edit the lie detect write up? Or did you predict that the next incoming action will be a lie detect and edited it?
Cause, Nitty's answers to my questions this phase definitely implied the latter would have to be done to influence a lie detect.
Either way, props on guessing LG would lie detect Stelios. That was sink or swim.
Uh tbf, what is there to find if the only indication is they exist?
The reason people freak out about seriel killers is because they are doing something
They see a cult leader convert 4 people in a row people put effort in
Saying "hey there's anti town indies" not have anything the indies do appear in write-ups and blame town for not hunting them over mafia who are visibly active is odd imo and not a good thought process
How was town to know a hostile indie wasn't killed by mafia?You did have indication of it. I made it pretty clear through the wincons that there were multiple anti-town roles. You just literally made no effort to find them.
The Arsonist is one of most deadly roles in the game when left unchecked for an extended period of time. The role has the ability to douse a target in gasoline. A later night he can ignite all his doused targets, killing them.
Not really, I don't think any of our kills were protected against, despite like 3 doctors. I don't really know why Stelios decided to go after sworder again though. Pretty sure he made it obvious he was bulletproof or at least not in need of protection.lol i was fucking with mafia's plans![]()
Not really, I don't think any of our kills were protected against, despite like 3 doctors. I don't really know why Stelios decided to go after sworder again though. Pretty sure he made it obvious he was bulletproof or at least not in need of protection.
Silent indies with the power that Zyra had is just bad game design. I don't even think there was a single full role cop ability in this game either or any other investigation type that could pinpoint what Zyra was doing, so literally the only way to know of the threat was for Zyra to die, taking all those who quoted her shit with her.Not that town is excused for letting a hidden threat get by. In role madness games, especially those of a 30+ scale, a possibility of a 'silent' indie is always there and should always be considered (and just because people weren't vocal about it, doesn't mean they didn't consider a hidden threat to be in the game).
It's just that in this case it didn't coordinate well with the role, in my opinion. I don't think the Zyra role is a perfect example of a 'silent' indie, since she was being an active threat all game. That's why I think there should've been an indication of it, even if it was just a little bit.
Hell, I can even agree with a write-up of "Zyra has started planting seeds" every time she selected quote to plant the seeds on.
^This.Not that town is excused for letting a hidden threat get by. In role madness games, especially those of a 30+ scale, a possibility of a 'silent' indie is always there and should always be considered (and just because people weren't vocal about it, doesn't mean they didn't consider a hidden threat to be in the game).
It's just that in this case it didn't coordinate well with the role, in my opinion. I don't think the Zyra role is a perfect example of a 'silent' indie, since she was being an active threat all game. That's why I think there should've been an indication of it, even if it was just a little bit.
Hell, I can even agree with a write-up of "Zyra has started planting seeds" every time she selected quote to plant the seeds on.
Now something like Law's Valkyrie role was perfectly done, with just enough hints that an observant player like myself could figure out its mechanics.
I didn't hear anybody complaining when all actions of a night phase were revealed. That literally is the easiest mafia-catching ability I've ever seen. It's so easy to connect the dots that it will always net you a mafia member, at the cost of a one-shot that doesn't even take your life, or even reveal who you are in thread. You don't even need to predict with it either, since you choose to use it during the day, meaning that you only use it when you know somebody was killed by mafia.
Can I just say, Shy's post regarding Marco's role made my day?
Active in the day phase = sun = leona.
I
lost
it.
Though idk, Marco. You said you never hinted. But on old posts, you kept saying you can prove your role "without a shadow of doubt". soo...?![]()
Remember that Nitty was late that phase and a host of actions had to be processed. We assumed that everything would be done in one writeup, predicted that the lie detect was a part of the announcement (LG wasn't being very sly with the ability, he targeted you with it Day 1, so it was a safe bet he'd target Stelios after Stelios made the same claim), and asked to obscure everything else.
What happened was that we obscured our kill on sarun uchiha and switched the lie detector results, but nothing else, unfortunately.
Yeah, but imagine how incredibly difficult that must be to actually play, as an indie. The role itself wasn't bad, I just feel that if there was some indication of it prior in a writeup, then it wouldn't be like everybody is suddenly dying out of left field.If one were to include a 'silent' indie (as I now started to call them), I think such a role should be more mechanically challenging. Have more to it than essentially 'target x and kill them when condition y is met' (which is Zyra's role in the most simplest form). I think silent indies should be more like 'do x, then have y do z, while 1 must do 2 and 3 can never happen'. It sounds silly, but it's supposed to be like that.
Can I just say, Shy's post regarding Marco's role made my day?
Active in the day phase = sun = leona.
I
lost
it.
Though idk, Marco. You said you never hinted. But on old posts, you kept saying you can prove your role "without a shadow of doubt". soo...?![]()