Reposting on new page for sworder:
how does Belph being Pantheon affect your read on Stelios?
I understand your question but I think you're framing it incorrectly. To answer what your question is, if Belph flips Panthoen, that means Stelios isn't Pantheon. So, obviously it'll affect my read on Stelios.
The main thing to remember is that I started suspecting Stelios because of the "180" post, as it indicates he's Pantheon. So, if someone else is revealed to be Pantheon, that pretty much clears Stelios. He could still be some other scum but that's not very likely. His play is definitely anti-town, but this is Stelios. I'm used to him doing this kind of shit as town.
Now, to answer what I think you actually meant. What I'd said last phase was that depending on how my current reads flipped (Stelios, mostly), I would believe Belph to be town or mafia.
Basically, I've been saying it all game, but, even though all evidence point to Stelios being Pantheon, I've played enough mafia to know it's not a 100%, especially because Stelios being uncooperative is perfect red herring for mafia. Stelios is notorious for being read as scum when town. A large part of it has to do with what's lost in translation. English isn't Stelios' native language and it shows. I've been a part of games where Stelios has been 100% confirmed mafia for "slips" which were really just misinterpretations on account of him the language barrier. But it also doesn't help that he gets emotional and takes all questions and doubts against him as slights against him. It starts a perpetual cycle, where him and the people pushing him become completely pissed off at each other, and 2 phases later, lo behold, a bunch of townies just towned each other.
If the case against Stelios was just reads, I actually wouldn't have bothered. He's the kind of player I don't like reading because he always comes across as scummy. The whole thing is motivated by the "180" post and Stelios' insistence to not understand how the "180" conclusion has been formed.
Getting back to the point: Belphegoob's game has not been his town-meta (which is an indication of him being bored, scum, or having a role that he can prove whenever he wants). So, when he suddenly voted Stelios last phase, saying, "Oh, Stelios slipped. Stelios slipped." in regards to Stelios being the one who first said that Pantheon is likely GF, that raised a red flag for me, because:
1. That was hardly the biggest case against Stelios.
2. Belph had a town read on Stelios the whole game and he actually said that "I must be the only person who reads Stelios as town always (even when he's scum), instead of reading him as scum always (even when he's town).
Seems an awful lot like opportunistic mafia to me. The kind that "town-reads" a certain player in order to justify push or vote on some else (eg: the person he town-read was pushing someone mafia want eliminated), but later uses the smallest reason to flip his read because suddenly it's more favorable to eliminate said player (the one he town-read before).
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