Marco
Who wants to be King?
Mostly want to know if you think he's intentionally avoiding answering the question?
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Anyway
[VOTE LYNCH Melodie]
Anyone who drinks while playing mafia is drinking because they are guilty about being mafia.
Anyway, I want to clarify that I'm an independent who is completely harmless to town at this point in time. My role is functionally useless right now.
Okay... What do you mean at this point in time.
So you will become a threat? What's your win con?
Okay... What do you mean at this point in time.
So you will become a threat? What's your win con?
I'll be waiting.
She has a dick, you know.
You changed my mind. [VOTE LYNCH VoDe]
How do you know this?!
How do you know this?!
Well no can do then i guess. I have given my reasons why to go after wpk, and that's all i got for now.
Just saying town is gonna lose so much with my lynch, and possible lead on who is Pantheon.
I got nothing I want to say.
Your mum told us.
What's the bullet-point on why we should go after WPK?
Also, how are we losing a possible lead on who Pantheon is?
I posted my reasons earlier.
And by my abilities, that i haven't used yet. Just like in "Do you want to be a millionaire?": "Phone-a-Friend".
It's not 100% given, but a possible lead.
I'm kinda busy weekends, so could you do me a favor and quote yourself?
Is there a reason you can't use these abilities now to give the possible lead? I mean, it should be obvious to you that that would convince most of us to take our votes off you. If you're town, you win with town even if you die. So there's no reason to not do your best to help us in case you're about to die.
Superman has been reborn amid a terrible storm, roleblocking all other players for the rest of the cycle!
You can reveal your role and abilities, at least. Mafia already knows.
I genuinely believe that one of the people that WAD listed as policy lynches is his teammate. It's right up his alley to do that, and then lead the trajectory to a specific one (Saturno). So one of crescent/Stelios is most probably mafia.
Vode also has some skeptical posts related to WAD, and while I understand how sketchy they are, it makes me feel sort of unsure as I'm not sold on Belphe's alignment as of yet.
Remchu targeted Belphegoob
Chaos targeted Stelios
sworder targeted Belphegoob
Laix targeted Stelios
Firestormer targeted Sarun
Baroxio targeted Degaforce
Sarun targeted WPK
Sin targeted WAD
Legend targeted Marco, WPK and WAD
Hammer targeted Alwaysmind
Hello Mr. Waffles!![]()
What, only hello for the chick, Waffles?
She has a dick, you know.
How do you know this?!
Your mum told us.
Didn't you send me nudes yet?
What's the bullet-point on why we should go after WPK?
Also, how are we losing a possible lead on who Pantheon is?
The "same routine" is a tried and true classic.
I'm kinda busy weekends, so could you do me a favor and quote yourself?
There are alot of things I can say but this place has taught me that it would be a waste of time.
Just reminding you why i cant
NO WTFYou can reveal your role and abilities, at least. Mafia already knows.
I'd say hi to you, but you've been grumpy lately. >.>
Good thing I don't care about such things.
Don't be a Legend, Marco. >.>
You don't know what lately means.
Legend knows what's up.
See, grumpy. :/
Chaos, sarun and Remchu are also dead, they died late day2/night 2, after that action list had been posted. Chaos happened to be targeting you. If Laix replaced mafia, him targeting you was possibly a doctor protect.At least for the last five mafia games wad's opening is always about policy lynching me. If we were both mafia I would encourage him to bus me day one.
As for Crescent Nyx he has contributed as much as shy , ace and Atlantic Storm.
I've been also wondering about Belphegood's alignment
Sworder and Remchu should have some feedback on Belphegood. What are your reds on Remchu? I 've seen sworder querying Remchu what he thinks about Belph but I'm not sure if Remchu ever replied
What bothers me is that Mafia has basically pretty much power roles laid out in front of them. Yet none from this list has died except Sin. I'm inclined to believe that there are more mafia in this list except Baroxio. That's some tunnel vision though, heavily based on skills and targets.
Thoughts on this?
Laix is voting for Melodie with literally zero reason.
WPK what potential knowledge slip are you talking about?
Vode was literally off my radar but he went from wifom into omgus mode very fast in the last few replies![]()
Chaos, sarun and Remchu are also dead, they died late day2/night 2, after that action list had been posted. Chaos happened to be targeting you. If Laix replaced mafia, him targeting you was possibly a doctor protect.
I'm not against letting VoDe live another day to see if he can deliver on the Pantheon lead. But switching to Franky doesn't seem all that great to me. The only thing that stood out about him was his hesitation to vote Baroxio and soft push on Legend.
I'm more interested in Persecuted, honestly. Baroxio said he targeted Perse and his kill got redirected to degaforce. He also stated that he inferred Persecuted is nexus because of that.
I asked Perse about this and he never replied. I'm more curious now that we know Baroxio was mafia since I don't see why scum would go after Persecuted so early. This was possibly an attempt to gain towncred by Baroxio. Maybe Persecuted is mafia nexus with no other abilities. Seems like a good trade-off for the Katrina role.
ALso, Is Pantheon likely to be a Godfather role or just another mafia member? This is in regards to Stelios' lie detect, obviously.
I don't think Pantheon needs to be GF for Stelios to be mafia, Stelios could just as well be a different member of the group, all of which know all the roles. Nocturne's ultimate may have tampered with lie detects as well, either making him return opposite results on them or everyone return opposite results.I'm not against letting VoDe live another day to see if he can deliver on the Pantheon lead. But switching to Franky doesn't seem all that great to me. The only thing that stood out about him was his hesitation to vote Baroxio and soft push on Legend.
I'm more interested in Persecuted, honestly. Baroxio said he targeted Perse and his kill got redirected to degaforce. He also stated that he inferred Persecuted is nexus because of that.
I asked Perse about this and he never replied. I'm more curious now that we know Baroxio was mafia since I don't see why scum would go after Persecuted so early. This was possibly an attempt to gain towncred by Baroxio. Maybe Persecuted is mafia nexus with no other abilities. Seems like a good trade-off for the Katrina role.
ALso, Is Pantheon likely to be a Godfather role or just another mafia member? This is in regards to Stelios' lie detect, obviously.
The Persecuted part seems solid. And yes it's likely that Pantheon is the godfather. However I m not Pantheon and the 180 degrees phrase association was a complete coincidence. I already said this but it felt the same association I made with Psychics "3 hearts, 3 backstabs" at kingmaker. I was sold that you are town Marco but I find it odd that you challenge the lie detect at this point in time while we have at least 5 people flying under the radar.
What's your read on Waffles that made this association by the way? Personally at the start of the game I found Waffles proactive however now he seems his familiar silent neutral self again.
I don't think Pantheon needs to be GF for Stelios to be mafia, Stelios could just as well be a different member of the group, all of which know all the roles. Nocturne's ultimate may have tampered with lie detects as well, either making him return opposite results on them or everyone return opposite results.
Not sure why everyone is buying VoDe's claim. He may be RB'd by the global one this cycle but hes had three cycles to pop off this supposed essential to finding Pantheon ability. Town members don't hold onto an important ability like that for town cred when they come under suspicion. This is a stall tactic, same as Baroxio's.
Your question was not innocent Marco if it was WPK wouldn't be replying to your thought process either. Mafia framing me is something I didn't consider as I'm very self aware of people's opinion about me on Mafia game so that is that. I didn't expect to see any speculation on my alligment is all and it's surprise that you , which I perceived you as town, brought it up.
First, I didn't challenge the lie detect. The mere fact that I'm asking if it's something that would make sense for Pantheon to have should give that away. Either way, why are you surprised? You remember I had you on my scumlist, before the lie detect, right?
It's actually quite odd that even though you were sold I'm town, you're surprised that I question the validity of Pantheon being able to fool lie detectors? I mean, you agree that Pantheon is likely the Godfather. You know you were the best candidate out of everyone. So, why is it surprising that one questions the validity of your lie detect?
Secondly, by saying you were sold on me being town and are now surprised, you're implying that I'm mafia trying to push suspicion on a townie (you). I have my vote on VoDe and the counter wagon is Franky. So, the only reason me being mafia and pushing on townie works is if you think both Franky and VoDe are mafia and that I'm bussing VoDe.
And in regards to the 180 comment and your "3 hears, 3 backstabs". Your point is correct, that flavor write ups don't necessarily have a bearing on actual roles. But the 180 thing was hardly a flavor bit. 180 is an arbitrary number that doesn't really relate to Grand Skyfall or Pantheon. So, it is obvious that the number, 180, was chosen specifically by Pantheon. That is why you saying 180 some time before the Skyfall makes you the biggest suspect. The only other option is that the number was chosen privately and mafia chose Post 180 specifically to frame you. Which you never once argued till now, IIRC.
By Waffles, I think you mean that he was trying to frame you? I'm not worried about Waffles yet. Will ask him to roleclaim after a couple phases, there's not much you can do to pressure him.
You ignored pretty much everything I said. But it seems, now, you're being pretty straightforward in saying I'm trying to frame you.
Tell me, do you think I'm scum?
ALso, Is Pantheon likely to be a Godfather role or just another mafia member? This is in regards to Stelios' lie detect, obviously.
WPK said:I don't think Pantheon needs to be GF for Stelios to be mafia, Stelios could just as well be a different member of the group, all of which know all the roles. Nocturne's ultimate may have tampered with lie detects as well, either making him return opposite results on them or everyone return opposite results.
I was replying from my cellphone but my reply was taking into consideration pretty much everything you wrote. Seems like you ignored what I wrote after all. Maybe I should break it down for you.
Do you find weird to make the thought process that you are accusing me as being an undetectable Godfather Pantheon?
WPK's reply indicates that he also understood exactly that
As for the rest paragraphs that are talking about a)framing b)surprise
I already covered your points at post #1675.
And I agree on the pressure factor on Waffles. So what exactly did I ignore from what you wrote? I didn't consider you were trying to frame me but I have to question the motivation behind pantheon godfather connection you made there. So enlighten me with your thought process please , I'm all eyes.
That's ironic. You pretty much ignored the things I asked, intentionally or otherwise. Considering you seem to think you've answered me, I'll bullet point my concerns below and you can answer them point by point.
I don't think you understand what innocent means. I didn't mean to say that I wasn't questioning the validity of your lie detect. I was saying that questioning the validity of your lie detect is an innocent reaction considering the fact that you, yourself, agree that Pantheon is likely godfather. And most people thought you're no.1 candidate for Pantheon.
Things I want you to address again, even if you think you've already answered them. For the sake of clarity, it shouldn't be a problem, right?
[*]Why does me being suspicious of you now surprise you when you were on my scumlist as early as Day 1?
[*]Why is it surprising that someone questions the validity of your lie detect? You are the best lead for Pantheon. And you agree Pantheon is likely Godfather. So, it's not hard to infer that your lie detect was inaccurate.
[*]You're implying I'm mafia trying to implicate you. Which means mafia don't want VoDe or Franky lynched. My vote is currently on VoDe. So, do you think I'm bussing him?
[*]You saying 180 isn't suspicious. What's suspicious is that there is no good reason for Grand Skyfall to fall on post 180. Nothing to do with the flavor. That means Pantheon/mafia chose the number 180. Which means they either did it privately to frame you or that you had to do it publicly. Someone implied that Grand Skyfall alerts the target before it strikes, which lends credence to the fact that it has to be done publicly, not privately.
I was actually suspicious of you as a potential Pantheon as soon as you started speculating on Grand Skyfall in a way that implied more knowledge than a townie should have. I jumped on you immediately for it. Waffles 180 thing just added to the case against you.
Most people didn't think anything. It was only after Waffles made that tinfoil association that you, WPK and a couple more found it plausible. And after the lie detect any kind of accusation was pretty much gone yet you brought it up.
>asked if town
>replied immediately
>was confirmed by ld
Why does me being suspicious of you now surprise you when you were on my scumlist as early as Day 1?
That's rather interesting for you to say given that you were also lie detected. If you question my lie detect the same weight of doubt is being raised about your lie detection as well. Now that I think of it you being role-crushed after all and lie detected makes you the perfect "harmless" person in game. That would be a grand play indeed and I do have you capable of pulling something like that.
Why is it surprising that someone questions the validity of your lie detect? You are the best lead for Pantheon. And you agree Pantheon is likely Godfather. So, it's not hard to infer that your lie detect was inaccurate.
I'm not implying anything, YOU mentioned it. And your persistence of bringing this up again and again makes me more sus of you granted that I was not the one to bring this up.
The Persecuted part seems solid. And yes it's likely that Pantheon is the godfather. However I m not Pantheon and the 180 degrees phrase association was a complete coincidence. I already said this but it felt the same association I made with Psychics "3 hearts, 3 backstabs" at kingmaker. I was sold that you are town Marco but I find it odd that you challenge the lie detect at this point in time while we have at least 5 people flying under the radar.
What's your read on Waffles that made this association by the way? Personally at the start of the game I found Waffles proactive however now he seems his familiar silent neutral self again.
That's also some tinfoil paranoia which seems to be relying on what Waffles said. I'm calling bullshit on the whole 180 thing since start. I don't take myself as seriously as you do in mafia game world so I wouldn't consider the framing bit at all. It could be true though but given that wad was part of this mafia I doubt they'd resort into such a tactic. All he had to do would be to be vocal against me until I omgus and get lynched for being unpopular.
I speculated as a LoL player. Laix literally talked about a shade coming his way and then pantheon landed on his head anyone playing this game knows that pantheon casts shade where he lands
That doesn't make sense because Grand Skyfall targeted the post, not Laix. There was no way to know Laix would be the one posting on Post #180.
To add to that, as I pointed out before, I also don't think Laix was using shade as a manner to indicate that a "literal" shade was coming at him. More that there had been people questioning him just before that and he perceived that as shade/disrespect.
[MarcoMVP]
You lurk all this time AM and ignore my question to you![]()