Marco
Who wants to be King?
Mostly want to know if you think he's intentionally avoiding answering the question?
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I don't think I mind if we lynch Vode or Goose. I read both as mafia.
Remind me to never be in any celebratory occasions while participating in a mafia game.
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@Persecuted: Could you please share your thoughts on Franky and Vode? Franky, do the same about vode and Persecuted, please.
@Crescent: Who are your top three mafia reads?
Remind me to never be in any celebratory occasions while participating in a mafia game.
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@Persecuted: Could you please share your thoughts on Franky and Vode? Franky, do the same about vode and Persecuted, please.
@Crescent: Who are your top three mafia reads?
Hilariously, the reason I 'ignored' the two posts asking me about my alignment was because they happened to post exactly at the time I stopped actively viewing the thread. Anyway, I want to clarify that I'm an independent who is completely harmless to town at this point in time. My role is functionally useless right now.
Besides, how many times have you guys wasted lynches on me only to find out that I wasn't a threat, or that was a better alternative available? It might be worth considering learning from your mistakes.
[Vote Lynch Melodie]
Suspect behaviour, and every other time she formed a lynch-squad on me she flipped Mafia.
Besides, how many times have you guys wasted lynches on me only to find out that I wasn't a threat, or that was a better alternative available? It might be worth considering learning from your mistakes.
[Vote Lynch Melodie]
Suspect behaviour, and every other time she formed a lynch-squad on me she flipped Mafia.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
That works for me. [UNVOTE]
Marco
Who wants to be King?
What do you got, Supes?
Alright then.
[Vote Lynch Vode]
[Vote Lynch Vode]
VoDe
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[Change Vote Lynch WolfPrinceKiba]
Ok then
Ok then
VoDe
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Okay... What do you mean at this point in time.
So you will become a threat? What's your win con?
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Possibly he could become a threat, later, yes.
I'm a threat if I can fulfill a set of very complicated requirements which requires an understanding of League of Legends lore and which can be easily screwed over by events in-game. My win condition is also dependent on that. I can honestly say there's nothing to worry about.
VoDe
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So question is, if he's no good for us.
Why keep him around? Why take the gamble on that?
Why keep him around? Why take the gamble on that?
Marco
Who wants to be King?
There's no reason to go after GOS right now, trust me. If you want to start a counter-wagon against yourself, you should look elsewhere.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
You probably have a better chance at getting one going on WPK than GOS.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Actually, go through Melodie's post history and quote anything that looks scummy to you. You could probably get that ball rolling.
VoDe
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Maybe, maybe.
After who you gonna go? Me, Melodie or WPK?
Or maybe someone else.
After who you gonna go? Me, Melodie or WPK?
Or maybe someone else.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
I've made up my mind already. You'll know when I place a vote. You'll not hurt your chances by doing what I asked.
VoDe
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I'll be waiting.
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Marco
Who wants to be King?
You changed my mind. [VOTE LYNCH VoDe]
Hello Mr. Waffles! 
Marco
Who wants to be King?
What, only hello for the chick, Waffles?
Marco
Who wants to be King?
She has a dick, you know.
Mickey Mouse
Disney Overlord
I got nothing I want to say.
How do you know this?!
VoDe
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Well no can do then i guess. I have given my reasons why to go after wpk, and that's all i got for now.
Just saying town is gonna lose so much with my lynch, and possible lead on who is Pantheon.
Your mum told us.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Didn't you send me nudes yet?
What's the bullet-point on why we should go after WPK?
Also, how are we losing a possible lead on who Pantheon is?
Marco
Who wants to be King?
You can reveal your role and abilities, at least. Mafia already knows.
My sworn enemy.
VoDe
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I posted my reasons earlier.
And by my abilities, that i haven't used yet. Just like in "Do you want to be a millionaire?": "Phone-a-Friend".
It's not 100% given, but a possible lead.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
She just wants what's best for you!
Marco
Who wants to be King?
I'm kinda busy weekends, so could you do me a favor and quote yourself?
And by my abilities, that i haven't used yet. Just like in "Do you want to be a millionaire?": "Phone-a-Friend".
It's not 100% given, but a possible lead.
Is there a reason you can't use these abilities now to give the possible lead? I mean, it should be obvious to you that that would convince most of us to take our votes off you. If you're town, you with town even if you die. So there's no reason to not do your best to help us in case you're about to die.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Fixed .
VoDe
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Just reminding you why i cant
Mickey Mouse
Disney Overlord
There are alot of things I can say but this place has taught me that it would be a waste of time.
Stelios
Life is a dream
At least for the last five mafia games wad's opening is always about policy lynching me. If we were both mafia I would encourage him to bus me day one.
As for Crescent Nyx he has contributed as much as shy , ace and Atlantic Storm.
I've been also wondering about Belphegood's alignment
Sworder and Remchu should have some feedback on Belphegood. What are your reds on Remchu? I 've seen sworder querying Remchu what he thinks about Belph but I'm not sure if Remchu ever replied
What bothers me is that Mafia has basically pretty much power roles laid out in front of them. Yet none from this list has died except Sin. I'm inclined to believe that there are more mafia in this list except Baroxio. That's some tunnel vision though, heavily based on skills and targets.
Thoughts on this?
Laix is voting for Melodie with literally zero reason.
WPK what potential knowledge slip are you talking about?
Vode was literally off my radar but he went from wifom into omgus mode very fast in the last few replies
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Hello Mr. Waffles!
I'd say hi to you, but you've been grumpy lately. >.>
Good thing I don't care about such things.
Goose always going for the same routine.
Don't be a Legend, Marco. >.>
The "same routine" is a tried and true classic.
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Firestormer
Well-Known Member
Ok, I've finally had a chance to read all the posts I missed last phase and this phase. Sorry I couldn't contribute last time, just wasn't at a computer much, ty for understanding.
I still find Franky suspicious, btw. His day one thing of voting for familyparka and Stelios instead of Saturno (that's his name, right?) felt like he knew that guy was gonna flip town, so he went ahead and just voted for the other two so that he wouldn't get chucked on the list of people that voted for the townie that got lynched. His explanation didn't ease my mind either.
Also, Stelios, remember that the mafia may also have a roleblocker. I'm assuming it's why I've been roleblocked every night since that list was posted. But you are right, there probably is at least one other mafia member on that list, I can't imagine the kill being the only action performed by mafia.
I still find Franky suspicious, btw. His day one thing of voting for familyparka and Stelios instead of Saturno (that's his name, right?) felt like he knew that guy was gonna flip town, so he went ahead and just voted for the other two so that he wouldn't get chucked on the list of people that voted for the townie that got lynched. His explanation didn't ease my mind either.
Also, Stelios, remember that the mafia may also have a roleblocker. I'm assuming it's why I've been roleblocked every night since that list was posted. But you are right, there probably is at least one other mafia member on that list, I can't imagine the kill being the only action performed by mafia.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
The only viable reason I can think for you to not reveal your role and abilities is that you're anti-town. Emphasis on viable.
Supes, always fucking things up for the rest of us. You didn't quote yourself, by the way.
VoDe
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I feel more comfortable with a Franky lynch than VoDe somehow
Still on mobile so reading back is a pain in the ass with these super small letters
[vote lynch Franky]
Still on mobile so reading back is a pain in the ass with these super small letters
[vote lynch Franky]
Marco
Who wants to be King?
I'd say hi to you, but you've been grumpy lately. >.>
Good thing I don't care about such things.
Don't be a Legend, Marco. >.>
You don't know what lately means.
Legend knows what's up.
Firestormer
Well-Known Member
Ok my opinion has been validated, that's all I needed 
[Vote lynch Franky]
[Vote lynch Franky]
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
See, grumpy. :/
Vaeny
A proper lad
I think I'll go with a Franky vote as well.
If vode actually has abilities of use to us like he claims hopefully he can use them next day and if he still does nothing we can just lynch him then can we not?
[Vote Lynch Franky]
If vode actually has abilities of use to us like he claims hopefully he can use them next day and if he still does nothing we can just lynch him then can we not?
[Vote Lynch Franky]
Vaeny
A proper lad
Though the last 2 days vode has made me doubt him so if nothing happens the next day he's gonna be the one I'm watching the most.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Is that it? I saw that, I thought you were talking about a proper vote. All you said that post was that WPK is probably voting for you as he considers you an easy target for a lynch.
Oh, don't be a girl.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Chaos, sarun and Remchu are also dead, they died late day2/night 2, after that action list had been posted. Chaos happened to be targeting you. If Laix replaced mafia, him targeting you was possibly a doctor protect.At least for the last five mafia games wad's opening is always about policy lynching me. If we were both mafia I would encourage him to bus me day one.
As for Crescent Nyx he has contributed as much as shy , ace and Atlantic Storm.
I've been also wondering about Belphegood's alignment
Sworder and Remchu should have some feedback on Belphegood. What are your reds on Remchu? I 've seen sworder querying Remchu what he thinks about Belph but I'm not sure if Remchu ever replied
What bothers me is that Mafia has basically pretty much power roles laid out in front of them. Yet none from this list has died except Sin. I'm inclined to believe that there are more mafia in this list except Baroxio. That's some tunnel vision though, heavily based on skills and targets.
Thoughts on this?
Laix is voting for Melodie with literally zero reason.
WPK what potential knowledge slip are you talking about?
Vode was literally off my radar but he went from wifom into omgus mode very fast in the last few replies
Marco
Who wants to be King?
I'm not against letting VoDe live another day to see if he can deliver on the Pantheon lead. But switching to Franky doesn't seem all that great to me. The only thing that stood out about him was his hesitation to vote Baroxio and soft push on Legend.
I'm more interested in Persecuted, honestly. Baroxio said he targeted Perse and his kill got redirected to degaforce. He also stated that he inferred Persecuted is nexus because of that.
I asked Perse about this and he never replied. I'm more curious now that we know Baroxio was mafia since I don't see why scum would go after Persecuted so early. This was possibly an attempt to gain towncred by Baroxio. Maybe Persecuted is mafia nexus with no other abilities. Seems like a good trade-off for the Katrina role.
ALso, Is Pantheon likely to be a Godfather role or just another mafia member? This is in regards to Stelios' lie detect, obviously.
I'm more interested in Persecuted, honestly. Baroxio said he targeted Perse and his kill got redirected to degaforce. He also stated that he inferred Persecuted is nexus because of that.
I asked Perse about this and he never replied. I'm more curious now that we know Baroxio was mafia since I don't see why scum would go after Persecuted so early. This was possibly an attempt to gain towncred by Baroxio. Maybe Persecuted is mafia nexus with no other abilities. Seems like a good trade-off for the Katrina role.
ALso, Is Pantheon likely to be a Godfather role or just another mafia member? This is in regards to Stelios' lie detect, obviously.
Stelios
Life is a dream
You are right
indeed they are. In my thought process I recognized only Sinnia as town.
Franky appears too reluctant to accuse anyone and his reads are mostly based on activity levels rather than scumminess
From what little I remember, he's far more helpful as town than he has been in this game. He's just trying to lurk under the radar
Anyway, reading back made me get a town read on WPK so I guess it wasn't a complete loss
From what little I remember, he's far more helpful as town than he has been in this game. He's just trying to lurk under the radar
Anyway, reading back made me get a town read on WPK so I guess it wasn't a complete loss
Stelios
Life is a dream
The Persecuted part seems solid. And yes it's likely that Pantheon is the godfather. However I m not Pantheon and the 180 degrees phrase association was a complete coincidence. I already said this but it felt the same association I made with Psychics "3 hearts, 3 backstabs" at kingmaker. I was sold that you are town Marco but I find it odd that you challenge the lie detect at this point in time while we have at least 5 people flying under the radar.
What's your read on Waffles that made this association by the way? Personally at the start of the game I found Waffles proactive however now he seems his familiar silent neutral self again.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
I don't think Pantheon needs to be GF for Stelios to be mafia, Stelios could just as well be a different member of the group, all of which know all the roles. Nocturne's ultimate may have tampered with lie detects as well, either making him return opposite results on them or everyone return opposite results.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Not sure why everyone is buying VoDe's claim. He may be RB'd by the global one this cycle but hes had three cycles to pop off this supposed essential to finding Pantheon ability. Town members don't hold onto an important ability like that for town cred when they come under suspicion. This is a stall tactic, same as Baroxio's.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
First, I didn't challenge the lie detect. The mere fact that I'm asking if it's something that would make sense for Pantheon to have should give that away. Either way, why are you surprised? You remember I had you on my scumlist, before the lie detect, right?
It's actually quite odd that even though you were sold I'm town, you're surprised that I question the validity of Pantheon being able to fool lie detectors? I mean, you agree that Pantheon is likely the Godfather. You know you were the best candidate out of everyone. So, why is it surprising that one questions the validity of your lie detect?
Secondly, by saying you were sold on me being town and are now surprised, you're implying that I'm mafia trying to push suspicion on a townie (you). I have my vote on VoDe and the counter wagon is Franky. So, the only reason me being mafia and pushing on townie works is if you think both Franky and VoDe are mafia and that I'm bussing VoDe.
And in regards to the 180 comment and your "3 hears, 3 backstabs". Your point is correct, that flavor write ups don't necessarily have a bearing on actual roles. But the 180 thing was hardly a flavor bit. 180 is an arbitrary number that doesn't really relate to Grand Skyfall or Pantheon. So, it is obvious that the number, 180, was chosen specifically by Pantheon. That is why you saying 180 some time before the Skyfall makes you the biggest suspect. The only other option is that the number was chosen privately and mafia chose Post 180 specifically to frame you. Which you never once argued till now, IIRC.
By Waffles, I think you mean that he was trying to frame you? I'm not worried about Waffles yet. Will ask him to roleclaim after a couple phases, there's not much you can do to pressure him.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Nocturne could possibly have fudged lie detects, which implies other information gathering actions and maybe all actions were fudged with, as well.
I had actually forgotten about Stelios after the lie detect. But his response to my innocent question has raised a lot of red flags. That 180 bit is a really big coincidence, not because Stelios said 180 but because Grand Skyfall dropped on Post 180, so the most obvious reason why Stelios isn't Pantheon would be that mafia is trying to frame him. Which would make Waffles a candidate but I honestly think Waffles is the least likely of people to do something like this. By this, I mean be the one who brings to light some information that frames a townie.
I agree, it sounds more like a stall tactic. However, let's not judge others by how you would play. He has implied it's a one-shot, so it's not that strange to think he might have been saving it for something. Can't say for sure because we don't know what his ability does.
I actually don't really buy it and my vote is still on VoDe for now, but I always think it's wiser to give people the benefit of doubt early game when they give such claims.
VoDe
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There's a good reason why i have been holding it, but you gonna see why if i live to next day.
Stelios
Life is a dream
Your question was not innocent Marco if it was WPK wouldn't be replying to your thought process either. Mafia framing me is something I didn't consider as I'm very self aware of people's opinion about me on Mafia game so that is that. I didn't expect to see any speculation on my alligment is all and it's surprise that you , which I perceived you as town, brought it up.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
You ignored pretty much everything I said. But it seems, now, you're being pretty straightforward in saying I'm trying to frame you.
Tell me, do you think I'm scum?
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
If we look back at the action list, the four who used abilities that aren't dead/we don't know what action was performed are FS, Laix, sworder and Legend. Standard mafia night abilities are faction kill, protect, RB, role investigation, sometimes busdrive. With the last one, only Legend applies and his ability claims have a lot of holes in them. If Laix replaced mafia, him doctor protecting Stelios N1 wold make sense, since Stelios got a good deal of heat on him D1. FS targeting sarun doesn't raise too many flags based on target choice, sarun did end up dead late D2 but that could have been for a number of reasons. sworder's action is the most likely for a role cop, don't have any strong suspicion on that target choice.
I don't think it should be overlooked that hammer sent a note to AM night 1 trying to paint me as mafia. It seems OOC for hammer to do that, especially claiming to know my scum meta. Can you tell us what exactly the message said AM? Will read over hammer's D1 posts when on a computer to see if he posted about me then.
I don't think it should be overlooked that hammer sent a note to AM night 1 trying to paint me as mafia. It seems OOC for hammer to do that, especially claiming to know my scum meta. Can you tell us what exactly the message said AM? Will read over hammer's D1 posts when on a computer to see if he posted about me then.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
Bolded the points I'd like you to address before we discuss further.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
On the topic of Waffles, he is thankfully 100% clear as town this game.
Stelios
Life is a dream
I was replying from my cellphone but my reply was taking into consideration pretty much everything you wrote. Seems like you ignored what I wrote after all. Maybe I should break it down for you.
First of all my reply was initiated by this comment
Do you find weird to make the thought process that you are accusing me as being an undetectable Godfather Pantheon?
WPK's reply indicates that he also understood exactly that
WPK said:
As for the rest paragraphs that are talking about a)framing b)surprise
I already covered your points at post #1675.
And I agree on the pressure factor on Waffles. So what exactly did I ignore from what you wrote? I didn't consider you were trying to frame me but I have to question the motivation behind pantheon godfather connection you made there. So enlighten me with your thought process please , I'm all eyes.
Marco
Who wants to be King?
That's ironic. You pretty much ignored the things I asked, intentionally or otherwise. Considering you seem to think you've answered me, I'll bullet point my concerns below and you can answer them point by point.
I don't think you understand what innocent means. I didn't mean to say that I wasn't questioning the validity of your lie detect. I was saying that questioning the validity of your lie detect is an innocent reaction considering the fact that you, yourself, agree that Pantheon is likely godfather. And most people thought you're no.1 candidate for Pantheon.
Things I want you to address again, even if you think you've already answered them. For the sake of clarity, it shouldn't be a problem, right?
- Why does me being suspicious of you now surprise you when you were on my scumlist as early as Day 1?
- Why is it surprising that someone questions the validity of your lie detect? You are the best lead for Pantheon. And you agree Pantheon is likely Godfather. So, it's not hard to infer that your lie detect was inaccurate.
- You're implying I'm mafia trying to implicate you. Which means mafia don't want VoDe or Franky lynched. My vote is currently on VoDe. So, do you think I'm bussing him?
- You saying 180 isn't suspicious. What's suspicious is that there is no good reason for Grand Skyfall to fall on post 180. Nothing to do with the flavor. That means Pantheon/mafia chose the number 180. Which means they either did it privately to frame you or that you had to do it publicly. Someone implied that Grand Skyfall alerts the target before it strikes, which lends credence to the fact that it has to be done publicly, not privately.
Stelios
Life is a dream
Most people didn't think anything. It was only after Waffles made that tinfoil association that you, WPK and a couple more found it plausible. And after the lie detect any kind of accusation was pretty much gone yet you brought it up.
>asked if town
>replied immediately
>was confirmed by ld
That's rather interesting for you to say given that you were also lie detected. If you question my lie detect the same weight of doubt is being raised about your lie detection as well. Now that I think of it you being role-crushed after all and lie detected makes you the perfect "harmless" person in game. That would be a grand play indeed and I do have you capable of pulling something like that.
I'm not implying anything, YOU mentioned it. And your persistence of bringing this up again and again makes me more sus of you granted that I was not the one to bring this up.
That's also some tinfoil paranoia which seems to be relying on what Waffles said. I'm calling bullshit on the whole 180 thing since start. I don't take myself as seriously as you do in mafia game world so I wouldn't consider the framing bit at all. It could be true though but given that wad was part of this mafia I doubt they'd resort into such a tactic. All he had to do would be to be vocal against me until I omgus and get lynched for being unpopular.
Stelios
Life is a dream
as for where my vote currently stands
[vote lynch Vode]
[vote lynch Vode]
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
I was actually suspicious of you as a potential Pantheon as soon as you started speculating on Grand Skyfall in a way that implied more knowledge than a townie should have. I jumped on you immediately for it. Waffles 180 thing just added to the case against you.
Stelios
Life is a dream
I speculated as a LoL player. Laix literally talked about a shade coming his way and then pantheon landed on his head anyone playing this game knows that pantheon casts shade where he lands
Marco
Who wants to be King?
There was no indication to you being Pantheon until Waffles pointed out the "180" in your posts, so obviously until Waffles said it, most of us weren't suspicious of you.
Yes, no one was accusing you after the lie detect. But why is it a problem that I brought it up? Should a townie not point out something like this?
Now, before I address your answers, let me just say a couple things. I generally read you as scum even when you flip town, I have even abused that knowledge as scum. This is the only reason I have not already voted for you. I want you to know that I'm actually trying to help you make me believe you're town, and not trying to prove that you're mafia.
Just keep that in mind as you go through my response and type out your own. Thanks.
My question was this:
Your answer is that: you didn't hesitate when asked if town, and were confirmed by lie detector.
Agreed. But the fact is that we're questioning the validity of your lie detect being accurate. And if you're indeed Pantheon (who you agree would be Godfather), then you'd know the lie detect would fail, too.
So, that means if you're Pantheon (and immune to lie detects), then you being forthright with your town claim and later being confirmed by lie detector don't do anything to prove that you're not Pantheon.
So, once again, why are you surprised I suspect you now when you were on my scumlist as far back as Day 1?
I agree. There is no way to be sure my lie detect is accurate, either. But there should be very little doubt that I was the one who was role-crushed. The only possibility is that Saturno was role-crushed, but then you're making the assertion that I risked getting counter-claimed by Saturno Day 1 as a Godfather.
I don't disagree, I might be capable of pulling off grand plays. But I don't see why that means I'd be willing to pull off stupid ones. There is no reason why, as Godfather, I would risk getting counter-claimed.
Anyway, you didn't answer my question.
My question was:
You just deflected and said that my lie detect is not confirmed. I agree. But you still have to answer me why you're surprised that someone questions the validity of your lie detect.
Again, people suspect you're Pantheon. Pantheon is likely Godfather, you agree. So, why are you surprised that someone is questioning your lie detect?
Maybe I misinterpreted you. When you said this:
@Bolded: Did you not mean that now you're not sold on me being town? Or implying that I'm mafia?
Okay, why is it tinfoil?
Why do you think Grand Skyfall landed on Post #180? I don't play League of Legends but a little googling and wikiing didn't reveal any significance of that number in regards to Pantheon or Grand Skyfall.
So, if there's no flavor reason for it to land on #180, it means Pantheon chose the post. You're claiming you didn't do it but that no-one would frame you, either. How does that make sense?
Marco
Who wants to be King?
That doesn't make sense because Grand Skyfall targeted the post, not Laix. There was no way to know Laix would be the one posting on Post #180.
Shark Skin
The Heart[broken]
To add to that, as I pointed out before, I also don't think Laix was using shade as a manner to indicate that a "literal" shade was coming at him. More that there had been people questioning him just before that and he perceived that as shade/disrespect.
Alwaysmind
Let us leave pretty women to men with no imagination - Marcel Proust
[MarcoMVP]
Marco
Who wants to be King?
This is precisely what I thought as well, and when Stelios first mentioned it, I just disregarded it as things I like to call #AlwaysmindThoughts.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
You lurk all this time AM and ignore my question to you
Just noticed Dega was pushing for a Stelios lynch before he met his demise night 1 
and WAD was uncharacteristically quiet about Stelios's potential slip
and WAD was uncharacteristically quiet about Stelios's potential slip
Marco
Who wants to be King?
For the King
You lurk all this time AM and ignore my question to you
That sounds like him. Just in case you've missed it, though, he's confirmed to be town. The King. Potentially fake write up but I haven't really gotten any reason to doubt it, yet.
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