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NFC North is very quiet and detached. I don't like it.

Stelios is throwing shit everywegere hoping for it to land. So either usual derping, or scum. Undecided.

I don't like how plat went for WAD after the bussing talk and continues to tunnel.

Waffles I am town reading for now.

WAD situation is.... On one hand, never trust WAD. On the other hand it's a nitty game that's bound to be wild, and WAD has told us when he was before when he was unlynchable. My problems:
- He is making it more of a spectacle centered around himself, somewhat similar to last game where we must focus on believing him or not, in this case wasting an invest, and or lynch/vig.
- If there are death millers, would they really be made aware of this and unlycnhable? Would there really be two millers in a 17 person game? Idk man.

WW I need more time on and don't want my bias in the way of scum pinning him.

But, I am also a man of my word, and it's almost 4am. So for the time being:
[Vote lynch Sinraven]
 
White Wolf said:
If he's town and miller then revealing is the right choice so obviously should be taken with some consideration :thunk

Killing him for always coming up with some bullshit is fine an all but don't come with the pretense that you're being some all holy saviour cos a miller lynch as first choice is dumbfounded.
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Its exactly because WAD pulls some stupid fake claim bullshit that i'm lynching him, don't try to frame it as me being high-and-mighty about it.

A self-aware unlynchable miller? I find that hard to believe, even for a Shizune game.

If that is his serious claim, then lynching him is hardly bad at all now is it? Worst case scenario we confirm he is actually unlynchable. If he is a townie, the optimal play would actually have been to let his lynch proceed to confirm his nature, as he did in Lovecraft. Then, the people that bussed him would look bad, not him.
 
W said:
sympathy?

im not asking for sympathy

look if you morons, town and scum alike wanna lynch me then by all means its fun and games

what i wont do is accept that somehow >IM THE ONE PLAYING BAD< when ive literally done everything by the book and you guys dont believe me cuz DONT LOOK INTO HIS FUCKING EYES HES AN UCHIHA BRO
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Just to be clear, I'm lynching you for Nello's game.

Just saiyan'.
 
Platinum said:
Its exactly because WAD pulls some stupid fake claim bullshit that i'm lynching him, don't try to frame it as me being high-and-mighty about it.

A self-aware unlynchable miller? I find that hard to believe, even for a Shizune game.

If that is his serious claim, then lynching him is hardly bad at all now is it? Worst case scenario we confirm he is actually unlynchable. If he is a townie, the optimal play would actually have been to let his lynch proceed to confirm his nature, as he did in Lovecraft. Then, the people that bussed him would look bad, not him.
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A self-aware unlynchable miller is believable by all means.

My biggest beef is the powerscaling difference comparing roles, but if that goes out the window then I'm inclined to believe him.
 
W said:
no im just annoyed that you’re preemptively assigning the blame to me when this inevitably doesn’t go your way and i end up flipping town when i have made myself perfectly clear and you’re just throwing yourselves at WAD the Wall aimlessly
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How would you end up flipping town if lynched, Mr Unlynchable?

Is that a slip I doth detect?

Even if you did get lynched, all it serves is a mild inconvience and confirms your status... that you are already shouting to the heavens.
 
Platinum said:
Its exactly because WAD pulls some stupid fake claim bullshit that i'm lynching him, don't try to frame it as me being high-and-mighty about it.

A self-aware unlynchable miller? I find that hard to believe, even for a Shizune game.

If that is his serious claim, then lynching him is hardly bad at all now is it? Worst case scenario we confirm he is actually unlynchable. If he is a townie, the optimal play would actually have been to let his lynch proceed to confirm his nature, as he did in Lovecraft. Then, the people that bussed him would look bad, not him.
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*blinks rapidly*

In Lovecraft, I was an Independent Survivor. Funny that you forgot, considering it's your own game. Which is why I had ZERO qualms with the day phase being wasted to prove me right.

Here, I am town. So I would, IDEALLY, like for us to lynch someone else for INFORMATION. But if I do get lynched, and it fails, then its not mea culpa. So cut the bullshit.
 
Stelios said:
I can't seem to understand this. Did I do something at wad's game or is this you in general after wad's game?
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Just in general after that pathetic attempt at policy lynching me :oldshrug

Dr. White said:
There is a death miller. I highly doubt we would get an unlynchable and selfaware death miller.
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Thought he just copied the intro from last game :hm I guess fair, but pretty sure *might be misremembering* there was miller/death miller combos in one or both of the WoW games
 
W said:
No?

Are you scum again? Because you're being purposefully obstinate.

'Flipping' has NEVER been lynch-specific. It has ALWAYS been a specific term for, and the definition of, one's alignment being revealed upon death.
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'When things don't go your way'

My way is lynching you. You being vigged or killed by the mafia isn't my way. Also, lets not act like your demise wouldn't be entirely your own doing. "Oh, sure don't hope the vig targets me gaiz!"


Oh, but i'm the mafia now am I? Because the risk/reward scenario for sticking my neck out day 1 to drive a lynch on someone claiming unlynchable status is a great prospect for longevity.
 
Mr. Waffles said:
Have a galactic ryoma.
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White Wolf said:
Does plat always play this stupidly or have I been on break long enough to enter the twilight zone :thunk
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Oh fuck me. I'm so sorry I don't believe the great lord Wad's roleclaim when he literally bullshits them half the fucking time.

What a fucking invalid I am.

Seriously, WW? I would think you are WAD's mom the way you are standing on the sidelines like this cheering him on.

If you have some actual points to make against me instead of saying 'lul you dum' and making garbage posts, please let me know.
 
Literally WAD's situation is known and putting any more attention on it than needed is stupid as hell. How about talking about Raven, Rem and Shiny who have been here but not offered much of anything and bounced instead?

Platinum said:
Oh fuck me. I'm so sorry I don't believe the great lord Wad's roleclaim when he literally bullshits them half the fucking time.

What a fucking invalid I am.

Seriously, WW? I would think you are WAD's mom the way you are standing on the sidelines like this cheering him on.

If you have some actual points to make against me instead of saying 'lul you dum' and making garbage posts, please let me know.
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Did someone say anything about you believing it or not? :cat
Nobody should buy wad's shit willy nilly.

That gives reasoning to the rest of your stubborn mule antics? Not so much. There's plenty more to do. He's known, discussing it and interfering with the rest of the process helps only scum hide.
 
Platinum said:
'When things don't go your way'

My way is lynching you. You being vigged or killed by the mafia isn't my way. Also, lets not act like your demise wouldn't be entirely your own doing. "Oh, sure don't hope the vig targets me gaiz!"


Oh, but i'm the mafia now am I? Because the risk/reward scenario for sticking my neck out day 1 to drive a lynch on someone claiming unlynchable status is a great prospect for longevity.
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The lynch me. And when it's done, let it be done. If the mafia kills me, then so be it. As a role, I'm not a threat to them.

But my demise wouldn't be my doing, considering...the only way I could die is if someone kills me.

If I get vigged, that's fine...but only if people don't try to lynch me instead. I'm aware of the WIFOM my claims can create so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea that a vigilante wants to be the big shot that takes down Mafia Elite WAD! But if I'm going to be vigged, then don't lynch me...because that WOULD be a colossal waste of time.

You're trying to spin the narrative of me constantly employing reverse psychology when I'm just stating things matter-of-factly, and as I previously said, pre-empting the blame on me so that if I do die you're gonna shrug it off and say "Well, he was being a fucking idiot so don't blame me."

That to me is the beginning of where I must narrow my eyes at you and consider the possibility that you're scum because you're being awfully dense and already creating a backdoor to exit from when the people who didn't believe me may look bad once I FLIP.
 
White Wolf said:
Literally WAD's situation is known and putting any more attention on it than needed is stupid as hell. How about talking about Raven, Rem and Shiny who have been here but not offered much of anything and bounced instead?


Did someone say anything about you believing it or not? :cat
Nobody should buy wad's shit willy nilly.

That gives reasoning to the rest of your stubborn mule antics? Not so much. There's plenty more to do. He's known, discussing it and interfering with the rest of the process helps only scum hide.
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Why do you get to say how I spend my time? If I feel a lead is best, and you feel something else is best, I am not obligated to acquiese to you. We got over 40 hours left, I can spend time on this if I choose. You are the one who is just wasting time instead of following leads or pressuring people yourself. Unless you are just beating around the bush and want to pressure me? If so, just come out and say it.

What's to say about people who haven't posted much or shown up? That they haven't posted much or shown up? Wow! What an amazing discovery! Shiny was just as much of a derp in Puddletown as a townie, so his lurking nature is indifferent at the moment.
 
Platinum said:
Why do you get to say how I spend my time? If I feel a lead is best, and you feel something else is best, I am not obligated to acquiese to you. We got over 40 hours left, I can spend time on this if I choose. You are the one who is just wasting time instead of following leads or pressuring people yourself. Unless you are just beating around the bush and want to pressure me? If so, just come out and say it.

What's to say about people who haven't posted much or shown up? That they haven't posted much or shown up? Wow! What an amazing discovery! Shiny was just as much of a derp in Puddletown as a townie, so his lurking nature is indifferent at the moment.
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cos it's dumb and it looks like you're intentionally polluting the thread focusing on wad with nothing new or of substance being added. If you think that's good play then good luck with it, but don't get snippy if you're called out for the same dumb shit. :zaru

I have no reason to follow or pressure your interactions are telling in nature I do things my way, why do people always make this comparison when you know how I play as a player and as a host, I mean really if you're gonna bring it up... at least have some actual merit. :catshrug

The point is them having shown up but not saying anything or is that too complex for you to grasp :thunk
 
White Wolf said:
Literally WAD's situation is known and putting any more attention on it than needed is stupid as hell. How about talking about Raven, Rem and Shiny who have been here but not offered much of anything and bounced instead?


Did someone say anything about you believing it or not? :cat
Nobody should buy wad's shit willy nilly.

That gives reasoning to the rest of your stubborn mule antics? Not so much. There's plenty more to do. He's known, discussing it and interfering with the rest of the process helps only scum hide.
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Granted but effectively wad has all players speculating whether they should deal with him or not.
 
Platinum said:
What's to say about people who haven't posted much or shown up? That they haven't posted much or shown up? Wow! What an amazing discovery! Shiny was just as much of a derp in Puddletown as a townie, so his lurking nature is indifferent at the moment.
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I'm not exactly keen on giving inactives a free pass either considering all of scum apart from Wad were inactives in Nello's game. Granted tho, it's a bit soon to be pointing fingers at them since we're still very early in the game. Shiny for instance is in Brazil so she prolly won't show up proper until later.
 
Let's assess all possible scenarios that his claim tell us:

miller:
that's like saying don't scan me because I will scan guilty. If you do I will be guilty anyway

unlynchable:
you can't lynch me but when i write this towns that gonna town will want to lynch me.

I have a power shot:

I am mexican god level 3



Wad can't be lying for everything.
It's possible that he is conveniently lying.
What does he want to achieve?

For sure he wants to get lynched and has claimed that he is guilty.

Why does he want to get lynched?

he wins the game or
he is unlynchable has town lose a day

Who demonstrates such behavior?

anti-town or indie

no other way
 
W said:
The lynch me. And when it's done, let it be done. If the mafia kills me, then so be it. As a role, I'm not a threat to them.

But my demise wouldn't be my doing, considering...the only way I could die is if someone kills me.

If I get vigged, that's fine...but only if people don't try to lynch me instead. I'm aware of the WIFOM my claims can create so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea that a vigilante wants to be the big shot that takes down Mafia Elite WAD! But if I'm going to be vigged, then don't lynch me...because that WOULD be a colossal waste of time.

You're trying to spin the narrative of me constantly employing reverse psychology when I'm just stating things matter-of-factly, and as I previously said, pre-empting the blame on me so that if I do die you're gonna shrug it off and say "Well, he was being a fucking idiot so don't blame me."

That to me is the beginning of where I must narrow my eyes at you and consider the possibility that you're scum because you're being awfully dense and already creating a backdoor to exit from when the people who didn't believe me may look bad once I FLIP.
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See, when the fundamental point that I want to lynch you over is that I don't believe your claim, the counter of 'don't actually test my role, let the vigilante get me!' doesn't really win me over. What could possibly go wrong in that scenario!

And now you're trying to spin me as doing pre-emptive damage control, which is hilarious. Your assumption of my intentions is completly off-base.

White Wolf said:
cos it's dumb and it looks like you're intentionally polluting the thread focusing on wad with nothing new or of substance being added. If you think that's good play then good luck with it, but don't get snippy if you're called out for the same dumb shit. :zaru
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Are you, of all people, accusing someone else of polluting a thread with nothing or insubstative posts? I think I might just die of irony.

I have no reason to follow or pressure your interactions are telling in nature I do things my way, why do people always make this comparison when you know how I play as a player and as a host, I mean really if you're gonna bring it up... at least have some actual merit. :catshrug
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You have no reason, but you sure love doing it don't you? It does have merit. You are the one repeatedly telling me to get off this wagon... which itself is information.

The point is them having shown up but not saying anything or is that too complex for you to grasp :thunk
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The point is that this game is under 4 hours old, and hounding people over insufficient activity for such a short frame of time is fucking dumb. Or is that point too complex for you to grasp :thunk.

Especially Shiny and Remchu of all people.
 
Platinum said:
Are you, of all people, accusing someone else of polluting a thread with nothing or insubstative posts? I think I might just die of irony.
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I don't hide my shitposting under the guise of intelligence tho :thunk
Platinum said:
You have no reason, but you sure love doing it don't you? It does have merit. You are the one repeatedly telling me to get off this wagon... which itself is information.
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Where do you see a wagon :thunk
Platinum said:
The point is that this game is under 4 hours old, and hounding people over insufficient activity for such a short frame of time is fucking dumb. Or is that point too complex for you to grasp :thunk.

Especially Shiny and Remchu of all people.
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> read thread
> refresh thread
> read thread more
> refresh thread
> read more
> go off without posting

Sure... :thunk
 
Stelios said:
Let's assess all possible scenarios that his claim tell us:

miller:
that's like saying don't scan me because I will scan guilty. If you do I will be guilty anyway

unlynchable:
you can't lynch me but when i write this towns that gonna town will want to lynch me.

I have a power shot:

I am mexican god level 3



Wad can't be lying for everything.
It's possible that he is conveniently lying.
What does he want to achieve?

For sure he wants to get lynched and has claimed that he is guilty.

Why does he want to get lynched?

he wins the game or
he is unlynchable has town lose a day

Who demonstrates such behavior?

anti-town or indie

no other way
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I >DON'T< want to get lynched.

Hence, me not self-voting.

If everyone else wishes to subjectively interpret my actions as goading people to lynch me, then that's on y'all.
 
White Wolf said:
I don't hide my shitposting under the guise of intelligence tho :thunk

Where do you see a wagon :thunk

> read thread
> refresh thread
> read thread more
> refresh thread
> read more
> go off without posting

Sure... :thunk
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That's entirely within Shiny's meta. He did that all of puddletown.

And Remchu is Remchu.

So, if your grand suggestion is to stop interacting with people here and to go on speculative inactive hunts on people who always play this way, because they haven't interacted in the 4 hours the game has started, then :shrug.
 
Platinum said:
I am pushing this solely because I think his claim is bullshit. I don't push lynches on claimed millers or unlynchables... I push lynches on people I think are scum. I don't metagame like that.
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Ok so you think his claim is bullshit (very possible but not necessarily guaranteed) and you generally don't trust him. However, you sound very confident that he's scum. Putting aside his miller claim, why do you think so?
 
Platinum said:
That's entirely within Shiny's meta. He did that all of puddletown.

And Remchu is Remchu.

So, if your grand suggestion is to stop interacting with people here and to go on speculative inactive hunts on people who always play this way, because they haven't interacted in the 4 hours the game has started, then :shrug.
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Yet you try and question my own meta by suggesting I do something contributive :maybe
Yet this somehow rules him out as scum since he did the same in Cinemafia :maybe
Yet Rem being Rem excludes him as scum :maybe

Platinum said:
And all you've done is be Wad's cheerleader and suggest nothing of value.

So congratulation on that ace scumhunting champ.
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If that's how you see it good for you~
 
Platinum said:
See, when the fundamental point that I want to lynch you over is that I don't believe your claim, the counter of 'don't actually test my role, let the vigilante get me!' doesn't really win me over. What could possibly go wrong in that scenario!

And now you're trying to spin me as doing pre-emptive damage control, which is hilarious. Your assumption of my intentions is completly off-base.
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I don't care to win you over. I only care if town dedicates their primary resources to discovering the truth about me in both day or night. I'm simply pleading: choose.

If you're not the vigilante, or someone with a kill, generally, I couldn't give less of a fuck about what you say.

Also, I'm not 'assuming' your intentions.

Re-read that last line.

That to me is the beginning of where I must narrow my eyes at you and consider the possibility that you're scum because you're being awfully dense and already creating a backdoor to exit from when the people who didn't believe me may look bad once I FLIP.
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Need help?

That to me is the beginning of where I must narrow my eyes at you and consider the possibility that you're scum because you're being awfully dense and already creating a backdoor to exit from when the people who didn't believe me may look bad once I FLIP.
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White Wolf said:
Yet you try and question my own meta by suggesting I do something contributive :maybe
Yet this somehow rules him out as scum since he did the same in Cinemafia :maybe
Yet Rem being Rem excludes him as scum :maybe
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Don't put words in my mouth; I never said it excludes them from being scum. You are the one trying to make something of something that is completly unremarkable... the same thing you are accusing me of doing.

Roman said:
Ok so you think his claim is bullshit (very possible but not necessarily guaranteed) and you generally don't trust him. However, you sound very confident that he's scum. Putting aside his miller claim, why do you think so?
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I don't have any knowledge outside of my suspicions if that is what you are asking. But my role gives me some leeway in being forceful this game, so i'm taking advantage of it.

Also, I don't get why me being forceful is somehow a negative. Am I supposed to act like a timid little child when i'm pressuring people?
 
Platinum said:
I don't have any knowledge outside of my suspicions if that is what you are asking. But my role gives me some leeway in being forceful this game, so i'm taking advantage of it.
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In other words, you just think he's scum but have no way of proving it (yet).

In that case, what are your other reads for this game?

Platinum said:
Also, I don't get why me being forceful is somehow a negative. Am I supposed to act like a timid little child when i'm pressuring people?
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Because you're just forcing a matter that's blatantly obvious to everyone. There's really no need. No one trusts Wad.
 
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