day 2 vote count:
Shrike - 9 (Kvothe Kingkiller, Vivo Diez, Lord Melkor, Ekkologix, John Wayne, Lind, OniKaido, Natalija, only)
Lord Melkor - 7 (Shrike, TheAncientCenturion, Iwandesu, charles101, A I Z E N, Hayumi, Flower)
Players of interest: TheAncientCenturion, Iwandesu, charles101, A I Z E N, Hayumi, Flower, Melkor
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TAC
I hope he punishes flower
this looks odd now that we see flower claimed fake claiming. is it an agenda scum had to fish for aizen?
I’m doing a lot behind the scenes
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So for the last few hours of reading the thread, I like Hayumi & Nat and am iffy on Iwan, Onihime, Usopp and my master is probably bad.
most of these r town, TAC just throw these names around but never actually attempts to push any of them, notability iwan who he mentioned alot. its just a read list for the sake of read list, not for the sake of game progression
Of course it's town tac, I'd be trying harder to help if I was scum
pure wifom
overall conclusion: its a typical coasting play style, throws names and shades around but never really actually pushes them. bit of wifom involved in the mix as well. His closest thing to a push was iwan, and even that was going nowhere with how he almost put no devotion behind it. definitly not Erwin this game. does not really strike me as town TAC, but leans more as indie TAC than mafia. there is a possibility he and flower are together, but his laziness to contribute is more of indie trait than scum.
read: slight scum lean/ indie lean
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IWANDESU
Aizen is coasting as fuck
Don't like it tbh
Tac...would need to iso him
Shrike is shrike, he plays very well regardless of alingment
all of these are lazy reads, specially the one on shrike. totally useless post that reeks of fake hunting
I mean clearly you are trying to make a point
So i'm fishing for it.
Shrike is a power play
He can easily be a power wolf and easily be a town lead.
again same thing
I cant believe usoop is not aizen
like holy fuck
this aligns with the plan flower had to bait aizen, did mafia rly think aizen will bite that?
Among the claims i think flower and Lind are the weakest
But flower is flower and has consistently acted within its role.
If an investigator role wants to double check one of the claims i would go for either flower, or lind, preferably lind.
Among the unclaimed cooler, sig, charles, aizen looks like the big 3 inactives.
At least one scum among them imo.
So it could be a place to check out as well.
1. how?? how did flower act within the naruto role? WHATTT???
2. why dont cops just check the other non claimed players tho? this is such a waste
3. fair enough 1 scum among 4 players, BUT you NEVER did anything to help solve that case and narrow down PoE. we could literally throw dice at the player list and we have 1/4 chance to nail scum. all of this is literally fake scum hunting baloney. your post provide nothing of value whatsover.
Shrike plays about the same as town or mafia and is good at power wolfing.
Regarding Naty, apparently she was working together with vivo which does makes sense looking retroactively.
another shrike lazy read, even after his death
I feel like melkor attempt to paint people as aizen good indicative he might be Aizen.
It is difficult to settle for an Aizen when everyone is so eager to claim/push for claims tho
more posts interested at Aizen. i feel like you guys really dont have anything to hunt other than him huh?
overall conclusion: absolute load of nothingness, fake reads, fake pushes, aizen hunting. there is no way this slot is town.
read: heavy scum lean
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CHARLES101
Yo, so. The scummiest person here is Usopp but he's confirmed town at this point. He should hope TP choses to protect him imo. That covers Oni too, so let's ignore that.
I think I know more or less what Kvothe might be so I'm not touching that.
Natalija is as much town as masons. By default I like Flower and their interactions.
Neutral on Hayumi. Wished she would tag me when she talks shet about me though
No idea how active Iwan works. So I'm neutral as well.
Tbh, I think I'd just go for someone like Sigismund. He's maf like 80% of the time and it always looks like this. Silence, then someone finally beings up his existence, then he says something and goes. That's my guts. But there's not much time for change.
Interesting stuff:
It's basically LM or Shrike. I have troubles with reading LM and I've been proven wrong multiple times, right. Just it's hard to watch these "i don't like XXX", "yyy is werid", "zzz acts scummy". But why? What do you mean? Last time I ignored him he won as a SK. About Shrike maybe it's more my wishful thinking but I can't believe he's acting like this as scum. Last time I remember he was pretty chill in post FMA game. Can't remember him being this straightforward as scum. If I'm wrong, blame me, but he's like 3rd or 4th person I'd lynch (behind Sigismund, Aizen and LM in that order). Selling point is that he's often on the same page with Nat. Idk if she checked him or what.
Did I mention everyone? I did my best
> starts with reiterating the confirmed town players. does not add any value
> i wish hed have something other than neutral on hayumi/iwan. it still gives me no value
> wants to go for sigis based on stats of him being maf 80% of time. while its an original read, its a useless one and wont go anywhere without a proper case behind it other than past game stats. im glad he didnt just park vote on sigis tho.
> atleast provides a reason on why they think shrike is town as opposed to LM, so then votes LM. this could come from town or scum honestly, but given the timing of it and the fact that they used it to vote LM over their gut read in sigis makes it looks more bad than good
Yo, which one would you vote if you had extra vote power? Just curious
weird question to ask, im not sure what is he trying to accomplish by this, specially since he voted LM anyway. i hope hes not hinting double voter or trying to bait a town double voter.
One more thing, if it was really TK's actions, I think I may know what role it is. Won't state it for Aizen though
whose TK? town killer? again what weird posts r these lmao
why wud u say u know their role to begin with lol
I mean, this should be pretty obvious you're not mafia, but still you could very well be Aizen.
more aizen talk
Actual image of me trying to keep up:
But tbh, that works too. They're all same thing. And if Aizen wasted his ability on that, it's even better.
Claiming something that doesn't disprove other townies is better than claiming Robin which made Nat claim.
another aizen talk
I think I could even guess which one of 2 he is based on what one of them said, but I don't wanna give Aizen ideas
aaand even more aizen talk
Does everyone knows who is Haku and who is Zabuza? Because Aizen would like to know. That's my point. Don't hint at this anymore
its like 80% of his posts now.
overall conclusion: hardly find any posts of value in his iso. he danced around that LM vs shrike wagon pretty poorly and just parked vote on LM. im getting whiffs of hidden agenda in his posts and excuses to fake scum hunt. nothing rly impressed me in any of them. the issue is he could of just voted LM without saying it. his play is too scummy to be scum and im having trouble mashing him with the other scum reads. i'd say hes a very very slight town read for now susceptible to change very fast. he is playing very scummy. but im not sure if he is scum. the issue is shrike placed him and hayumi as his town reads and there might be a chance both r town or one of them is mafia.
read: slight town lean/ scum lean if hayumi flips town
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AIZEN
honestly i dont think LM is best lynch here with 9 he has no one really coming out to defend him. id say best case scenario hes aien def not mafia. worst case another townie gone.
a bit too nonchalant on him as well but i mean i cant blame him i think LM just might be over the game haha
ok says he dont think LM is the lynch, yet keeps his vote on him anyway. makes absolutely no sense to me and needs to be questioned more for it.
iwan a policy lynch as well so im down
scumdesu always
more reasons to flip him or iwan. i dont recall iwan reacting to this at all. could be a poor busing attempt.
pepe face?
ekko reaching and hard tunneling idk my judgement gets clouded with him im at the point to put him on ignore
im not sure whats his obsession with me is but hes clearly trying to hard discredit everything i do for whatever reason. putting players on ignore is auto scum indicative, and looks even worst after my strongest scum read shrike flipped scum.
> notice here he mentions his judgment is clouded
hmm idk i went through some roles cant find any to see what other roles would fit idk a really bad fumble from kvo or just bad grammatical errors?
this was a good post until i saw kvo flip town. frankly i thought shes mafia cuz she refused to share her results, which i still think is poor play by her not to cuz she already hinted hard at her role. its whatever.
this post is now a bad look after kvo flipped town.
honestly not sure i think last game was first time playing with kvo or at least i remember.
but idk i got more of a townread outside of those comments. usopp has a problem with hardtunneling where his own judgement gets clouded so he'll nitpick everything someone says. from what uve read though kvo hasnt come off scummy nor inherently townie more of neutral overall,
again with the descredit of me using the excuse of tunneling, but now even
calling me as the one with clouded judgement?
i am trying to give this guy a town read but his posts make it so hard to. hes bringing pre-emptive facts about me from his ass just to descredit my reads and i do not appreciate that regardless of his alignment.
lol what are you on about? you tagged me once last phase and once here asking me to talk when i wasnt even around to begin with. you realize this is the same vote thread from D1 so my vote was already placed. ive responded to whoevers actually interacted with meand not just tagged me to show up. so our points are moot.
i didnt refuse to vote shrike i just refused to vote with usopp, difference i even explained it to onii. i chose lm cause he latched onto shrike wagon only to attempt to save himself without actually talking his way out of it he essentially gave up and has been hiding all day not actually defend himself. why would a 'townie" play like this. shrike has better quality post over lm where his are just meh. and i based my vote off of my town read hayumi.
this is his worst post so far for these reasons:
1. gets very defensive when asked about his vote
2. refused to vote shrike using an excuse that they refuse to vote with me, but tells that to my mason partner??
3. says his vote is based off his town read of hayumi. so basically sheeps hayumi as an excuse to vote melkor, so if melkor flips town he can drop the blame on hayumi. this is HORRIBLE and unacceptable.
overall conclusion: provides NOTHING for the game. afk and non contributive, posts inactivity excuses, discredits my push on shrike, gets very defensive when asked about his voting pattern and sheeps hayumi to vote of the counter wagon to a confirmed scum flip.
read: heavy scum lean, but also potentially very bad townie/ maybe town or indie lean if flower flips scum.
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HAYUMI
@Ekkologix @OniKaido @Lind I can’t remember which one of you asked me for my thoughts on Shrike so here they are:
I have a very slight town read on him because his gameplay here is giving me actual ptsd to a game a while back where he essentially threw because he tinfoiled on me till end game when we were the only two town left in the final 4. He’s usually way better then he was back then when town, but it still stands that it’s a really good reference for me playstyle wise. I think town shrike is more likely to say and do much scummier things then actual scum shrike is.
This might look like a defense, but these are some of the reasons why I don’t want a shrike lynch at least for today
this post have to be looked at after shrike's flip, and while i agree its NAI, it will always be there and will gurantee u will forever remain in the PoE for defending him. but for now atleast u dropped a valid reason unlike aizen/iwan
So you made a comment about a mechanically confirmed duo. Me and Natalija are also both soft confirmed. Kvothe is questionable, but you don’t elaborate at all. The comment about Shrike is just convenient since you put your vote on him to save yourself. Do you have any thoughts about other players?
adds reasons for LM push as well, altho they came after kvothe mentioned it first. i do still agree with it that LM's play is weird.
Oh I see. It’s not bad honestly. Lynching Iwan would probably tell us more about Shrike then the other way around.
i need this to be more elaborated on. what flip of iwan wud tell info on shrike. scum or town flip?
i felt like shrike flip was more important but to each is their own
Yah based of reads I’m down to get Kvothe tf out but she probably isn’t an optimal choice for today’s lynch.
agree on this as well, kvothe did look very scummy refusing to share her reads, but why are u agreeing to her and not shrike. that bothers me considering their flips
Im on the fence of switching to Shrike based off liking the people on his wagon a little more but there's a few things stopping me apart from running out of town for a late hop:
1. For reasons already explained, I genuinely cant outright scum read him personally
2. At least he's giving us way more then LM
3. LM is still likely scum
4. I don't want to fuck up votes and force an rng. Or who knows if someone has extra vote power or something, I need to read up on the roles.
thats fair, altho again u wont rly leave PoE because u followed players u scum read over players u town read.
Btw there would be zero reason for me to push hard for someone I suspected before Shrike was even brought up for lynching if me and him were teammates, and at the time I would have tied the votes up so I decided to stick with LM
this is pure wifom, but hayumi does that sht regardless of alignment. cant tell much from it.
One more thing. I just read back and saw that Shrike put both me and
@charles101 as his only two town reads. He probably put me because I was soft defending him. Not sure about Charles
might be tmi on both of ur to try and gain u to help his wagon. there is a possibility one of u or charles is scum.
Now this is just stupid as hell. Scum Hayumi doesn’t push for someone for no reason if my supposed scummate (shrike) isn’t even under pressure. I was sus of LM since like my first post. I’ve already soft claimed and if you bring attention to it you’re scum. You should be able to find it on your own and keep it to yourself. I also didn’t put up any fight against a Shrike lynch, I just still sussed LM more. Also LM could still be scum so what even is putting my name in this.
another wifom, but leaning more toward town hayumi wifom style.
overall conclusion: some of their posts do reek of scum and they will never leave the PoE, but by no means they should be our priority lynch for today. i do feel we have a scum in hayumi/charles as i doubt shrike will drop 2 town reads for free, but im not about to flip them both to find out. id say a slight town read for now but bumps to scum read if charles flips town. i would also have to note that his town read of flower is concerning.
read: slight town lean/ scum lean if charles flips town
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FLOWER
i've talked about this scum slot alot during the game, so i'll only highlight few recent posts here
And now, bye. Good job costing Town the game, Ekko.
how did i cost time the game when i power steered into a scum lynch yesterday exactly? u sound like a very pissed off scum rn
Because obviously Aizen tries to control me which will fail which will make him think I'm Mafia, then he hard pushes me for cred, then I can see who pushes me and reveal him.
ur very aware aizen failed on u cuz ur claim is fake, but regardless u also know aizen has absolutely zero reason to control naruto. he gains nothing from that role. neither does he gain anything from my role. controlling us is meaningless specially since we will likely die soon anyway. it makes zero sense to claim naruto for the sake of baiting aizen. thats outright just a waste because in no world i see aizen controlling u
if im aizen and you are THE ONLY player to claim in day 2, i would still take my chances and guess other players roles instead of attempt to control u. im not stupid, and i dont think anyone here is stupid enough to control naruto role as aizen this early into the game. you got caaught flower, get over it.
A semi open setup game is easier to solve if we can claim freely. It's like a ToS game, then.
we can claim. i can, naruto can, oni can. aizen doesnt get anything from us rly. he can only add 1 role to his control list per phase and our roles should be lowest priority for him since we have no actions. ur just being dumb flower, u dont want aizen to guess u r mafia lmao
Can scum please hand us Aizen now?
just wow lol
mafia is rly that paniced over aizen controling them arent they?
overall conclusion: she fumbled everything up. botched a protagonist claim, botched thread play, botched reads, inconsistent aizen hunting, reacts poorly to fake robin result on her, overreacts to me being revealed as liar, frustration seems to be coming from a frustrated scum thats caught not a towny frustration, completely ignores shrike wagon and tries to avoid talking bout him. keeps fueling ekko and lind talk but not shrike, now reveals her claim is fake to bait aizen knowing full well any aizen with more than 2 IQ will not control naruto anyway.
its clear scum killed protagonist and coroner/hiruzen so they think they r free to claim. flower just fked it up pretty badly and it backfired. other than that her tone is scummy as sht, trying to mimic her town self by fake raging and insta day 2 claiming. its veyr inorganic and obviously fake.
read: heavy scum lean
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LORD MELKOR
i talked about this slot alot yesterday as well so i'll only highlight recent posts
What do you think about Hayumi? Slightly leaning town right now after some rereading.
a slight town lean on hayumi is fair i agree. would be nice to point out what some rereading u did tho. did u iso him or the entire thread?
Would Hayumi make a post like this about Shrike if they are scumbuddies?
he could yes, but its more aligned with town hayumi than scum hayumi. i do like that question tho and i think ur approaching the game more organically than most players in this list.
Not a fan of Aizen agreeing with Shrike here, though to be fair I was also leaning town on Shrike day one.
Anyone here knows Aizen's meta, I played with him only once? I think he was coasting and fairly agressive as scum.
aizen is aggressive regardless of alignment, think of something like a mix or rion and me. hes a potential indie if ur not the indie.
do u not have any info to help us with? i think aizen might be town playing poorly here cuz his play is super bad for scum lol
My list from most to least sussed right now:
TAC
Iwan
Aizen
Sigi
John Wayne
Hayumi
Charles
Flower
Usopp and Oni are confirmed for me
why is flower such a low sus for u? i would like an elaborate reason for it pls
also why is JW/sigis this high up your list.
its odd u put 3 of ur voters this low (hayumi/charles/flower) but put sigis and JW high when they voted shrike, or atleast didnt oppose it.
do u know something we dont? pls tell me why u read them like that.
Are you voting TAC to save yourself or os he your primary suspect?
its very likely a counter wagon, but ur voting TAC as well. what do u make of that both u and iwan are voting TAC, assuming u r town ofc, so from ur town melkor PoV. what u make of that.
overall conclusion: its an obvious slot used for counter wagon to shrike, but it had its fair share of scumminess to allow to be such an easy counter wagon. there is also the possibility scum wanted to yeet melkor over shrike since melkor might have a better role. i just find it odd none of my scum reads are hard pushing him now really. i would rly like to see a claim from him to solve. it will help solve alot. overall id say hes either a scummy town or indie for now.
read: slight town lean/ indie lean.
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Overall reads/count
Shrike - 9 (Kvothe Kingkiller, Vivo Diez, Lord Melkor, Ekkologix, John Wayne, Lind, OniKaido, Natalija, only)
Lord Melkor - 7 (Shrike, TheAncientCenturion, Iwandesu, charles101, A I Z E N, Hayumi, Flower)
If we run the list from most to least scummy, we have:
1. iwan
2. flower
3. TAC
4. A I Z E N
5. hayumi/charles
6. melkor
IWAN OR FLOWER should be today's lynch
best for info and for scum candidates
since when you a sheep?
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