Game Holy Shōnen Trinity 6 (indie win!)

[Shizune]

one thing i didnt like is aizen wincon changing midgame for reasons i've already stated

What would you have done differently?

 

[Shizune]

aizen wincon was always game ending

but aizen wincon about only needing to guess town role makes sense since mafia roles are never going to be revealed.

This is correct. Here is proof from August 26th that Aizen was always intended to be game ending:

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

it wouldnt have made sense for aizen to do whatever the fuck he wants if its not game ending

 

[Shizune]

it wouldnt have made sense for aizen to do whatever the fuck he wants if its not game ending

It would also have been extremely imbalanced because then town could have mass claimed without any real repercussion.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

This is correct. Here is proof from August 26th that Aizen was always intended to be game ending:

I feel like every indie should be assumed its game ending unless its said otherwise in the role such as

"this wincon is not a game ender"

 

[Sigismund]

uh I thought about hard flaming you siggy

I mean I deserve it lmao.

The most annoying part was the person who stopped me from killing Poison's first life, which I'm 99% sure was a townie.

Besides that I did nothing this game to exempt me from being hardflamed lmao.

one thing i didnt like is aizen wincon changing midgame for reasons i've already stated

Like I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.

 

[Shizune]

I mean I deserve it lmao.

The most annoying part was the person who stopped me from killing Poison's first life, which I'm 99% sure was a townie.

Besides that I did nothing this game to exempt me from being hardflamed lmao.



Like I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.

It was mafia actually. They used Kabuto to use Orochimaru's abilities after Shrike died, and summoned Miss Goldenweek to roleblock you.

 

[Sigismund]

It was mafia actually. They used Kabuto to use Orochimaru's abilities after Shrike died, and summoned Miss Goldenweek to roleblock you.

Ah
Nvm then, so yeah I did nothing this game lol

 

[Ekkologix]

What would you have done differently?

keep the 2nd version, not the 3rd one
he shud need to control mafia as well, however just by claiming their alignment should be good enough. or claiming their role category (but this is harder). you could give him a feedback that says u guessed the alignment correctly, but wrong catagory

OR what i wuda done to the aizen role itself is give him a 1 shot coroner/rolecop so he can atleast see what the guilty flips are to narrow down PoE, or rolecop the players that are not claiming. just 1 shot is more than good enough because he can control the real cop/coroner (altho unlikely since they will die)

but he should hunt mafia not just town. here he is playing vs town alone and completely ignoring mafia.

can i get a list of who he controlled pls

 

[Ekkologix]

It would also have been extremely imbalanced because then town could have mass claimed without any real repercussion.

yea im fine with it being game ending i guess, but him totally ignoring mafia was too much in one update

i think with claims, scum can 100% have fake claims just from the kills they obtain. every kill is practically janitored. that alone is super strong and limits info for town. if we lost coroner/hiruzen the game shud be very hard, which we did lose them both by night 2

however luckily, we claimed lots of roles so by the time they died we atleast knew who they were so we denied mafia the ability to fake claim them AND aizen couldnt use them either

this is a win-win in my book and i stand by that play tbh

 

[Ekkologix]

Like I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.

im talking about the part where he ignores mafia completely

 

[Vivo Diez]

congrats to @only, pretty good for a shrimp in a new mafia environment, indie no less

town played really bad and I would say half of the scum team was kinda bad, I'm almost happy neither one won since neither one really deserved it tbh

@charles101 had best threadplay, proud how much this ningen has come along

 

[Ekkologix]

i had ratchet v shrike as town v scum since day 1 and i hard scum read flower for defending shrike

i fake claimed cop because i know i can just clear myself as mason, which i will always do day 2 since i dont wanna ever die at any point in the game and have oni killed with me on the same night without people knowing our roles

if mafia claims mason after killing us its gg if there is no coroner/hiruzen

 

[Ekkologix]

congrats to @only, pretty good for a shrimp in a new mafia environment, indie no less

town played really bad and I would say half of the scum team was kinda bad, I'm almost happy neither one won since neither one really deserved it tbh

@charles101 had best threadplay, proud how much this ningen has come along

can u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?

i will say only day 3 was bad for town

other days were good

 

[Ekkologix]

i think melkor deserves some credit as well. he stood by solid and never claimed till the end even when mafia tried to use him to derail

 

[Vivo Diez]

can u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?

i will say only day 3 was bad for town

other days were good

you're just counting the mislynches

a lot of town players claimed at the slighest provocation super early on or gave obvious hints, on an individual level those were not good plays and what allowed mafia to kill off a lot of us via related roles(hisagi + invest and zabuza + Haku), plus what made it p straightforward for Aizen to claim the W

 

[Hayumi]

Congratulations! @only
You stayed lowkey and your strategy paid off. If anything I thought you were mafia not Aizen lmao.

Also great job @charles101 the funny thing is I came into this game already knowing better then to sleep on you, I think I even made some early posts regarding how I can’t ignore you Lmaoo. And you flew right on by again. Really solid play, I hope we can roll mafia together someday!

All in all, I’m glad Aizen got the win over Town or Scum that’s for sure. If I were to assess my own play, I did decent but not great.
1. I tinfoiled on LM for two phases, and went a little too far at times to try and solidify my scum read of him. Sorry for that lol @Lord Melkor I quickly realized you probably weren’t scum based off how you reacted. It’s pretty fitting we lost the game together. We always seem to make it to the end both when a town and a mafia pair.
2. I hope my instigating comments pissed someone off at some point, especially scum lmaooo. It gave me strength to not give up.
3. I had a few mix ups in my reads throughout the game like with Shrike as well since I give people the benefit of the doubt too often.
4. I thought Aizen and especially Only were scum from pretty early on. Unfortunately I don’t usually push on something unless I’m more confident, and it was too difficult for me to put the pieces together by the middle of the game.
5. I probably shouldn’t of hinted towards my role, but to be fair, like 5 of you mf’s pointed out my claim hint and made it way more obvious. I’m not saying they wouldn’t of noticed but it’s possible it could of went by without a mention or scum connecting it to Brook lmao. At least I didn’t flat out claim.
6. Why do I usually make it to the end? Am I bad?


Also @Shizune thanks for the great game! It was fun as always~

 

[Iwandesu]

u won using 2 roles that didnt claim day 1 lol

i have nothing to do with it

Hayumi claimed day 2

 

[Iwandesu]

It was not your fault tho you are right

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

i had ratchet v shrike as town v scum since day 1 and i hard scum read flower for defending shrike

i fake claimed cop because i know i can just clear myself as mason, which i will always do day 2 since i dont wanna ever die at any point in the game and have oni killed with me on the same night without people knowing our roles

if mafia claims mason after killing us its gg if there is no coroner/hiruzen

breh why did you use ur dumb fake cop gamble on FLOWER and not shrike

I knew you were masons with Oni since day 1 tbh. You guys hinted early but i guess mafia didnt catch it.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Congratulations! @only
You stayed lowkey and your strategy paid off. If anything I thought you were mafia not Aizen lmao.

Also great job @charles101 the funny thing is I came into this game already knowing better then to sleep on you, I think I even made some early posts regarding how I can’t ignore you Lmaoo. And you flew right on by again. Really solid play, I hope we can roll mafia together someday!

All in all, I’m glad Aizen got the win over Town or Scum that’s for sure. If I were to assess my own play, I did decent but not great.
1. I tinfoiled on LM for two phases, and went a little too far at times to try and solidify my scum read of him. Sorry for that lol @Lord Melkor I quickly realized you probably weren’t scum based off how you reacted. It’s pretty fitting we lost the game together. We always seem to make it to the end both when a town and a mafia pair.
2. I hope my instigating comments pissed someone off at some point, especially scum lmaooo. It gave me strength to not give up.
3. I had a few mix ups in my reads throughout the game like with Shrike as well since I give people the benefit of the doubt too often.
4. I thought Aizen and especially Only were scum from pretty early on. Unfortunately I don’t usually push on something unless I’m more confident, and it was too difficult for me to put the pieces together by the middle of the game.
5. I probably shouldn’t of hinted towards my role, but to be fair, like 5 of you mf’s pointed out my claim hint and made it way more obvious. I’m not saying they wouldn’t of noticed but it’s possible it could of went by without a mention or scum connecting it to Brook lmao. At least I didn’t flat out claim.
6. Why do I usually make it to the end? Am I bad?


Also @Shizune thanks for the great game! It was fun as always~

your hint could have only been brook

Well I was right at least that one of you or iwan was scum, and it was iwan. I didn't expect you to out right claim/hint it even though I sus you a little bit and you weren't in danger of getting lynched

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Oh I was going to say good job though @Hayumi when you are not inactive, I find you fun to read and play with

 

[Hayumi]

your hint could have only been brook

Well I was right at least that one of you or iwan was scum, and it was iwan. I didn't expect you to out right claim/hint it even though I sus you a little bit and you weren't in danger of getting lynched

I know, but not everyone pays attention to everything being said and it could of been taken as something other than a hint. What was the purpose of anyone pointing it out? I didn’t specifically say you, you weren’t the only one.

 

[Hayumi]

Oh I was going to say good job though @Hayumi when you are not inactive, I find you fun to read and play with

You 2 b< I’ve been trying not to inactifag anymore.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I know, but not everyone pays attention to everything being said and it could of been taken as something other than a hint. What was the purpose of anyone pointing it out? I didn’t specifically say you, you weren’t the only one.

it was just pretty out of the left field for me im like oh. well alright then guess iwans scum.

 

[Shizune]

6. Why do I usually make it to the end? Am I bad?

Mafia avoided killing you because they knew you were Brook.

 

[Iwandesu]

im surprised mafia never shot aizen or tried to find him

We did try to find him lol
But we found the wrong him

 

[Iwandesu]

not rly i didnt affect aizens win at all actually

Giving mafia free kills and Aizen free picks made his job much easier lol

 

[Shizune]

can u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?

i will say only day 3 was bad for town

other days were good

The biggest reason town had so few mislynches was because they abused role claims so hard, which is playing poorly in this setup. That's literally why Aizen won. It's insane to me that you refuse to accept that the role claims were a problem when they literally led to the anti-claim indie winning the game. Mafia should also have rolled you guys a lot harder, but they misplayed quite hard themselves, especially when it came to not really using their janitored role claims.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Oh I was going to say good job though @Hayumi when you are not inactive, I find you fun to read and play with

Yes, both you and Hayumi are very good players and fun to play with.

 

[jinri]

@mafia

Please let me into your chat.

 

[Ekkologix]

you're just counting the mislynches

a lot of town players claimed at the slighest provocation super early on or gave obvious hints, on an individual level those were not good plays and what allowed mafia to kill off a lot of us via related roles(hisagi + invest and zabuza + Haku), plus what made it p straightforward for Aizen to claim the W

so ur saying mafia wudnt kill the related roles at any other point in the game? this logic is flawed
u r just delaying the inevitable

 

[Ekkologix]

The biggest reason town had so few mislynches was because they abused role claims so hard, which is playing poorly in this setup. That's literally why Aizen won. It's insane to me that you refuse to accept that the role claims were a problem when they literally led to the anti-claim indie winning the game. Mafia should also have rolled you guys a lot harder, but they misplayed quite hard themselves, especially when it came to not really using their janitored role claims.

u still dont wanna tell me who aizen controlled

 

[Ekkologix]

they couldnt use their janitores cuz we claimed them all lol

xDDD


thanks for proving my point

 

[Ekkologix]

@mafia

Please let me into your chat.

same omegai shimasu, wanna see the fake claims and killer roles

 

[Shizune]

u still dont wanna tell me who aizen controlled

Nah I've been putting it off because I don't feel like it. I'll invite you to the PM and you can look for yourself.

 

[Ekkologix]

Giving mafia free kills and Aizen free picks made his job much easier lol

eh u say that in theory but in practice thats not how it turned out

lets hear from nitty who aizen actually controlled

and u guys were gna get the free kills anyway, its not like the kills only happen when town claims

its actually better we claim so the kills dont happen suddenly

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

they couldnt use their janitores cuz we claimed them all lol

xDDD


thanks for proving my point

untrue, they just chose not to until this day phase for whatever reason

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Well actually Iwan fake claiming Hiruzen couldve gone far until like he gave up to look for Aizen for whatever reason lol

 

[Shizune]

@Ekkologix Why are you trying to prove that you could win through mass claiming? Even if that were true, it would just mean I messed up didn't balance the game properly, so your "win" wouldn't mean anything anyway. Town is never supposed to be able to win through mass claiming. Why sign up to play mafia if you're just trying to abuse the setup and win as quickly as possible without having to actually do anything?

 

[Vivo Diez]

so ur saying mafia wudnt kill the related roles at any other point in the game? this logic is flawed
u r just delaying the inevitable

Your logic is flawed. Town's strength is in numbers and long term discussion. Obviously it's worse for town if a sizeable amount are killed off earlier rather than later.

Plus my role started out generic and grew stronger over time, so obv it's worse for me also that I got killed off early.

 

[jinri]

dont see anything wrong with that

You faked an investigation and wasted half a day phase. That's just poor play.

 

[Iwandesu]

Well actually Iwan fake claiming Hiruzen couldve gone far until like he gave up to look for Aizen for whatever reason lol

It might look like that but sadly it was not true
My claim was absolute busted the second i all ined tac claim

 

[Iwandesu]

Town could have been dumb and let me live otherwise but I recon hayumi, flower and Melkor are better players than that

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

eh u say that in theory but in practice thats not how it turned out

lets hear from nitty who aizen actually controlled

and u guys were gna get the free kills anyway, its not like the kills only happen when town claims

its actually better we claim so the kills dont happen suddenly

it would depend on where the kill lands. Obviously kills landing on me, on our pair investigators, and on our masons was bad

We could be fine if the other roles that got hit because those fake claims are essentially weaker.

 

[Ekkologix]

@Shizune u shud invite everyone to aizen PM. its pretty clear day 2 claiming did absolutely not affect his win at all, maybe other than kill nat i guess?

im also surprised u allowed her to add both nat and lind on the same phase? or maybe i understood it wrong. thought can only add one per phase

anyway point stands, aizen did not win from the day 2 claim fest AT ALL, and you have to keep in mind when we claimed day 2 we didnt know he can now win without having to target mafia as well

so yes, claiming benefitted town more than harm them

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

It might look like that but sadly it was not true
My claim was absolute busted the second i all ined tac claim

It was fine, the biggest concern was calling Ratchet a control role

you couldve said I didn't use the coroner ability yet because you used a protect instead

 

[Ekkologix]

it would depend on where the kill lands. Obviously kills landing on me, on our pair investigators, and on our masons was bad

We could be fine if the other roles that got hit because those fake claims are essentially weaker.

we will die sooner or later, scums have double kills almost every night cuz of killer roles

if we didnt kill orochimaru day 2 we will get absolutely destroyed, i dont even know if u realize what orochimaru can do lol

 

[Iwandesu]

It was fine, the biggest concern was calling Ratchet a control role

you couldve said I didn't use the coroner ability yet because you used a protect instead

I did that so Charles would get free Tsunade claim

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

@Shizune u shud invite everyone to aizen PM. its pretty clear day 2 claiming did absolutely not affect his win at all, maybe other than kill nat i guess?

im also surprised u allowed her to add both nat and lind on the same phase? or maybe i understood it wrong. thought can only add one per phase

anyway point stands, aizen did not win from the day 2 claim fest AT ALL, and you have to keep in mind when we claimed day 2 we didnt know he can now win without having to target mafia as well

so yes, claiming benefitted town more than harm them

i dont know why youre dying on this hill when claiming KILLS POE for other townies. Mafia is looking to kill other roles so we're doing their job for them with the mass claim.

 

[Iwandesu]

In the end it didn't pay off because we both gambled our way into defeat but hey

 

[Shizune]

@Shizune u shud invite everyone to aizen PM. its pretty clear day 2 claiming did absolutely not affect his win at all, maybe other than kill nat i guess?

im also surprised u allowed her to add both nat and lind on the same phase? or maybe i understood it wrong. thought can only add one per phase

anyway point stands, aizen did not win from the day 2 claim fest AT ALL, and you have to keep in mind when we claimed day 2 we didnt know he can now win without having to target mafia as well

so yes, claiming benefitted town more than harm them

I'll add anyone who wants to be added, but I don't think anyone cares except for you.

Poison subbed in near the end of day 2, so to give her time to catch up I let her wait to submit her day 2 guess until the end of night 2. Ergo, she got to submit two names on night 2, but it was really just the day 2 and night 2 guesses.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I did that so Charles would get free Tsunade claim

you didn't have to say ratchet was a control role, you couldve been perfectly fine playing as Hiruzen and not saying anything about the roles outing yourself

 

[Shizune]

Usopp is just proving my point as to why I'm going back to only doing closed setups after this. Because apparently town players on NF will role claim every time, no matter how hard they get punished for it, and that just makes the game less fun for everyone.

 

[Ekkologix]

@Ekkologix Why are you trying to prove that you could win through mass claiming? Even if that were true, it would just mean I messed up didn't balance the game properly, so your "win" wouldn't mean anything anyway. Town is never supposed to be able to win through mass claiming. Why sign up to play mafia if you're just trying to abuse the setup and win as quickly as possible without having to actually do anything?

i didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced

mass claiming in this game is dfifferent from normal games nitty

here all deaths r janitored, so mafia have plathera of fake claims they can use if they play it correctly

in fact they also have double kills or more with sakon and orochimaru roles. so yea mafia has ways to play around claiming

what made it hard is the amount of night kills mafia had. this would destroy town regardless of claiming or not

i think mafia kills need to be toned a bit cuz honestly we got lucky by killing orochimaru day 2.

dont try to blame everything on claims. it was towns best way of gaining info this game given the flips dont show and we dont even know if our coroen/hiruzen is alive or dead

its not like we claimed much either, only me nat kvothe and oni. the other roles were fine. this shud in no way lose town the game

 

[Vivo Diez]

I'll add anyone who wants to be added, but I don't think anyone cares except for you.

Poison subbed in near the end of day 2, so to give her time to catch up I let her wait to submit her day 2 guess until the end of night 2. Ergo, she got to submit two names on night 2, but it was really just the day 2 and night 2 guesses.

@Ekkologix Aizen could guess every phase not cycle u baka

 

[Ekkologix]

Usopp is just proving my point as to why I'm going back to only doing closed setups after this. Because apparently town players on NF will role claim every time, no matter how hard they get punished for it, and that just makes the game less fun for everyone.

nitty trust me claiming is the right play. dont be too stubborn lol

u have host tmi, we dont

if mafia kills us without us claiming, we wouldnt even know who died. mafia can do 2 kills per night, sometimes more with orochimaru

we will get absolutely destroyed if we dont know who died but mafia does. thats 3 janitor kills a night nitty. u realize how nuts this wud be without claiming?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

i didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced

mass claiming in this game is dfifferent from normal games nitty

here all deaths r janitored, so mafia have plathera of fake claims they can use if they play it correctly

in fact they also have double kills or more with sakon and orochimaru roles. so yea mafia has ways to play around claiming

what made it hard is the amount of night kills mafia had. this would destroy town regardless of claiming or not

i think mafia kills need to be toned a bit cuz honestly we got lucky by killing orochimaru day 2.

dont try to blame everything on claims. it was towns best way of gaining info this game given the flips dont show and we dont even know if our coroen/hiruzen is alive or dead

its not like we claimed much either, only me nat kvothe and oni. the other roles were fine. this shud in no way lose town the game

youre forgetting lind, flower, hayumi claiming on day 2 as well

it just kills the PoE

Siggy got roleblocked as the vig early on

 

[Ekkologix]

@Ekkologix Aizen could guess every phase not cycle u baka

i know but it seems she guessed both lind and nat in the same phase

 

[Shizune]

i didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced

mass claiming in this game is dfifferent from normal games nitty

here all deaths r janitored, so mafia have plathera of fake claims they can use if they play it correctly

in fact they also have double kills or more with sakon and orochimaru roles. so yea mafia has ways to play around claiming

what made it hard is the amount of night kills mafia had. this would destroy town regardless of claiming or not

i think mafia kills need to be toned a bit cuz honestly we got lucky by killing orochimaru day 2.

dont try to blame everything on claims. it was towns best way of gaining info this game given the flips dont show and we dont even know if our coroen/hiruzen is alive or dead

its not like we claimed much either, only me nat kvothe and oni. the other roles were fine. this shud in no way lose town the game

You need to pick one or the other. Either town should not have mass claimed in this game, or this game was imbalanced. If the town can mass claim their way to victory, that categorically means the game was imbalanced. Town has to be punished for claiming or the game is imbalanced.

 

[Ekkologix]

youre forgetting lind, flower, hayumi claiming on day 2 as well

it just kills the PoE

Siggy got roleblocked as the vig early on

flower claimed randomly
hayumi/lind were never forced to

and lind got vigged for some reason despite being a counter wagon to shrike
hayumi was alive till end

doesnt affect anything rly

 

[Shizune]

nitty trust me claiming is the right play. dont be too stubborn lol

u have host tmi, we dont

if mafia kills us without us claiming, we wouldnt even know who died. mafia can do 2 kills per night, sometimes more with orochimaru

we will get absolutely destroyed if we dont know who died but mafia does. thats 3 janitor kills a night nitty. u realize how nuts this wud be without claiming?

You're arguing with nineteen people, and I'm the one being stubborn?

 

[Vivo Diez]

Usopp is just proving my point as to why I'm going back to only doing closed setups after this. Because apparently town players on NF will role claim every time, no matter how hard they get punished for it, and that just makes the game less fun for everyone.

can you ask mods to add a dunce hat to anybody that claims within D1-D2, that might work

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

flower claimed randomly
hayumi/lind were never forced to

and lind got vigged for some reason despite being a counter wagon to shrike
hayumi was alive till end

doesnt affect anything rly

breh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.

it means all mafia has to do is figure out what LM and Siggy is and deal with them lol. Same scenario if it was mixed around. If town mass claims but like 3 people, mafia can kill the right targets and rolecrush/silence/roleblock the others.

Its why mass claiming is a terrible idea. Why are we breaking down the PoE for mafia when they already have loads of information

 

[Ekkologix]

You need to pick one or the other. Either town should not have mass claimed in this game, or this game was imbalanced. If the town can mass claim their way to victory, that categorically means the game was imbalanced. Town has to be punished for claiming or the game is imbalanced.

no not mass claim, but half claim. mass claim is dumb

nitty i dont think mafia killer roles actually punish claiming, its just extra kills whether we claim or not lol

like charles role and shrike role

lets think for a moment. say we dont lynch shrike day 2 and instead lynch a townie

between charles and shrike AND the faction kill, mafia can maybe do 3 janitor kills. THREE JANITOR

if we dont claim anything, entire mafia team can claim the dead roles. the coroner cannot check everything. he can only check once per cycle, when there r like 3-4 deaths a cycle (including lynch), and the coroner might be killed as well

i think in terms of balance u just need to tone mafia kills a bit OR make the extra kills only work vs claimed roles, not vs everything. and make aizen the 2nd version that u had, not 3rd version.

 

[Shizune]

God I'm getting tilted lol.

Point is, mass claims fucking suck, they're not fucking fun, and games almost always have to be designed to punish claims in some way because some people would literally rather mass claim on day one to "win" than actually play the game.

End of

 

[Ekkologix]

breh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.

it means all mafia has to do is figure out what LM and Siggy is and deal with them lol. Same scenario if it was mixed around. If town mass claims but like 3 people, mafia can kill the right targets and rolecrush/silence/roleblock the others.

Its why mass claiming is a terrible idea. Why are we breaking down the PoE for mafia when they already have loads of information

yea none encourages mass claiming

3 ppl claiming out of 14 townies is NOT mass claiming

 

[Vivo Diez]

breh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.

it means all mafia has to do is figure out what LM and Siggy is and deal with them lol. Same scenario if it was mixed around. If town mass claims but like 3 people, mafia can kill the right targets and rolecrush/silence/roleblock the others.

Its why mass claiming is a terrible idea. Why are we breaking down the PoE for mafia when they already have loads of information

Yeh, you're allowing mafia to prioritize and optimize who they should kill free of charge lmao. And it's even worse with indies in the game since mafia can keep them alive depending on their benefit/detriment.

 

[Ekkologix]

God I'm getting tilted lol.

Point is, mass claims fucking suck, they're not fucking fun, and games almost always have to be designed to punish claims in some way because some people would literally rather mass claim on day one to "win" than actually play the game.

End of

i agree nittyyyy
none is massclaiminggg

just 2-3 ppl lol

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

yea none encourages mass claiming

3 ppl claiming out of 14 townies is NOT mass claiming

THE OTHER WAY AROUND

11 claiming out of 14 townies is mass claiming

 

[Ekkologix]

i just think mafia had too many night kills, regardless of what we claim. they had lots of kills

and to make it worst, both invest roles die together, and both masoners die together. they r linked

if we dont claim we allow mafia to basically control everything and its gg

thats it for me

 

[Ekkologix]

THE OTHER WAY AROUND

11 claiming out of 14 townies is mass claiming

did 11 claim day 2?

 

[Shizune]

no not mass claim, but half claim. mass claim is dumb

nitty i dont think mafia killer roles actually punish claiming, its just extra kills whether we claim or not lol

like charles role and shrike role

lets think for a moment. say we dont lynch shrike day 2 and instead lynch a townie

between charles and shrike AND the faction kill, mafia can maybe do 3 janitor kills. THREE JANITOR

if we dont claim anything, entire mafia team can claim the dead roles. the coroner cannot check everything. he can only check once per cycle, when there r like 3-4 deaths a cycle (including lynch), and the coroner might be killed as well

i think in terms of balance u just need to tone mafia kills a bit OR make the extra kills only work vs claimed roles, not vs everything. and make aizen the 2nd version that u had, not 3rd version.

The things that punished claims were the facts that 1. you needed your coroner alive 2. there were up to four town roles (Zabuza, Haku, Hisagi and Ino) that could be double killed if mafia knew their roles and 3. there was an anti-claim indie

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

i agree nittyyyy
none is massclaiminggg

just 2-3 ppl lol

that wasnt 2-3 people LOL

lets count shall we

tiffany and ratchet are dead

lind, flower, me, you, oni, nat, lind, hayumi, vivo was hinted by nat

they would then need to guess only these people

siggy, LM, tac, jw, and only

one of them is Aizen.

So 4 townies Unknown, the rest known.

thats a mass claim. And thats dumb.

 

[Ekkologix]

i know its against the popular beliefs but it is what it is

usually claiming is bad i totally agree

only in this game it was acceptable

just try a scenario where we dont claim day 2 and we mislynch me or flower

see how hard mafia will stomp

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

did 11 claim day 2?

11 townies were known at that point yes.

 

[Shizune]

i just think mafia had too many night kills, regardless of what we claim. they had lots of kills

and to make it worst, both invest roles die together, and both masoners die together. they r linked

if we dont claim we allow mafia to basically control everything and its gg

thats it for me

Town had several protective abilities and a vig

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

i just think mafia had too many night kills, regardless of what we claim. they had lots of kills

and to make it worst, both invest roles die together, and both masoners die together. they r linked

if we dont claim we allow mafia to basically control everything and its gg

thats it for me

man even when we DID claim, you didnt fucking believe us anyways

 

[Ekkologix]

that wasnt 2-3 people LOL

lets count shall we

tiffany and ratchet are dead

lind, flower, me, you, oni, nat, lind, hayumi, vivo was hinted by nat

they would then need to guess only these people

siggy, LM, tac, jw, and only

one of them is Aizen.

So 4 townies Unknown, the rest known.

thats a mass claim. And thats dumb.

only nat claimed, and u hinted. the rest never had to i agree
me and oni were gna claim day 2 regardless. we had to so we dont die without town knowing our roles.

vivo didnt rly hard hint, i didnt know he was cop at all, lind never had to claim, flower MAYBE had to claim, hayumi never had to

im impressed if anything by melkor who was a counter wagon yet never claimed. we shud take notes lol

 

[Ekkologix]

Town had several protective abilities and a vig

i wish we had isane's role
that wuda been on night 2

imagine splitting LM voters and shrike voters in half

boom 4 failed kills