Shizune
one thing i didnt like is aizen wincon changing midgame for reasons i've already stated
What would you have done differently?
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one thing i didnt like is aizen wincon changing midgame for reasons i've already stated
aizen wincon was always game ending
but aizen wincon about only needing to guess town role makes sense since mafia roles are never going to be revealed.
it wouldnt have made sense for aizen to do whatever the fuck he wants if its not game ending![]()
I feel like every indie should be assumed its game ending unless its said otherwise in the role such asThis is correct. Here is proof from August 26th that Aizen was always intended to be game ending:
I mean I deserve it lmao.uh I thought about hard flaming you siggy
Like I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.one thing i didnt like is aizen wincon changing midgame for reasons i've already stated
I mean I deserve it lmao.
The most annoying part was the person who stopped me from killing Poison's first life, which I'm 99% sure was a townie.
Besides that I did nothing this game to exempt me from being hardflamed lmao.
Like I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.
AhIt was mafia actually. They used Kabuto to use Orochimaru's abilities after Shrike died, and summoned Miss Goldenweek to roleblock you.
keep the 2nd version, not the 3rd oneWhat would you have done differently?
yea im fine with it being game ending i guess, but him totally ignoring mafia was too much in one updateIt would also have been extremely imbalanced because then town could have mass claimed without any real repercussion.
im talking about the part where he ignores mafia completelyLike I said, its standard that Indies are Game Winning.
can u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?congrats to @only, pretty good for a shrimp in a new mafia environment, indie no less
town played really bad and I would say half of the scum team was kinda bad, I'm almost happy neither one won since neither one really deserved it tbh
@charles101 had best threadplay, proud how much this ningen has come along
you're just counting the mislynchescan u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?
i will say only day 3 was bad for town
other days were good
Hayumi claimed day 2u won using 2 roles that didnt claim day 1 lol
i have nothing to do with it
breh why did you use ur dumb fake cop gamble on FLOWER and not shrikei had ratchet v shrike as town v scum since day 1 and i hard scum read flower for defending shrike
i fake claimed cop because i know i can just clear myself as mason, which i will always do day 2 since i dont wanna ever die at any point in the game and have oni killed with me on the same night without people knowing our roles
if mafia claims mason after killing us its gg if there is no coroner/hiruzen
your hint could have only been brookCongratulations! @only
You stayed lowkey and your strategy paid off. If anything I thought you were mafia not Aizen lmao.
Also great job @charles101 the funny thing is I came into this game already knowing better then to sleep on you, I think I even made some early posts regarding how I can’t ignore you Lmaoo. And you flew right on by again. Really solid play, I hope we can roll mafia together someday!
All in all, I’m glad Aizen got the win over Town or Scum that’s for sure. If I were to assess my own play, I did decent but not great.
1. I tinfoiled on LM for two phases, and went a little too far at times to try and solidify my scum read of him. Sorry for that lol @Lord Melkor I quickly realized you probably weren’t scum based off how you reacted. It’s pretty fitting we lost the game together. We always seem to make it to the end both when a town and a mafia pair.
2. I hope my instigating comments pissed someone off at some point, especially scum lmaooo. It gave me strength to not give up.
3. I had a few mix ups in my reads throughout the game like with Shrike as well since I give people the benefit of the doubt too often.
4. I thought Aizen and especially Only were scum from pretty early on. Unfortunately I don’t usually push on something unless I’m more confident, and it was too difficult for me to put the pieces together by the middle of the game.
5. I probably shouldn’t of hinted towards my role, but to be fair, like 5 of you mf’s pointed out my claim hint and made it way more obvious. I’m not saying they wouldn’t of noticed but it’s possible it could of went by without a mention or scum connecting it to Brook lmao. At least I didn’t flat out claim.
6. Why do I usually make it to the end? Am I bad?
Also @Shizune thanks for the great game! It was fun as always~
I know, but not everyone pays attention to everything being said and it could of been taken as something other than a hint. What was the purpose of anyone pointing it out? I didn’t specifically say you, you weren’t the only one.your hint could have only been brook
Well I was right at least that one of you or iwan was scum, and it was iwan. I didn't expect you to out right claim/hint it even though I sus you a little bit and you weren't in danger of getting lynched
it was just pretty out of the left field for me im like oh. well alright thenI know, but not everyone pays attention to everything being said and it could of been taken as something other than a hint. What was the purpose of anyone pointing it out? I didn’t specifically say you, you weren’t the only one.
6. Why do I usually make it to the end? Am I bad?
We did try to find him lolim surprised mafia never shot aizen or tried to find him
Giving mafia free kills and Aizen free picks made his job much easier lolnot rly i didnt affect aizens win at all actually
can u say town played bad when they lost with 2 mislynches?
i will say only day 3 was bad for town
other days were good
Oh I was going to say good job though @Hayumi when you are not inactive, I find you fun to read and play with![]()
so ur saying mafia wudnt kill the related roles at any other point in the game? this logic is flawedyou're just counting the mislynches
a lot of town players claimed at the slighest provocation super early on or gave obvious hints, on an individual level those were not good plays and what allowed mafia to kill off a lot of us via related roles(hisagi + invest and zabuza + Haku), plus what made it p straightforward for Aizen to claim the W
u still dont wanna tell me who aizen controlledThe biggest reason town had so few mislynches was because they abused role claims so hard, which is playing poorly in this setup. That's literally why Aizen won.It's insane to me that you refuse to accept that the role claims were a problem when they literally led to the anti-claim indie winning the game. Mafia should also have rolled you guys a lot harder, but they misplayed quite hard themselves, especially when it came to not really using their janitored role claims.
same omegai shimasu, wanna see the fake claims and killer roles@mafia
Please let me into your chat.
u still dont wanna tell me who aizen controlled![]()
eh u say that in theory but in practice thats not how it turned outGiving mafia free kills and Aizen free picks made his job much easier lol
untrue, they just chose not to until this day phase for whatever reasonthey couldnt use their janitores cuz we claimed them all lol
xDDD
thanks for proving my point
Your logic is flawed. Town's strength is in numbers and long term discussion. Obviously it's worse for town if a sizeable amount are killed off earlier rather than later.so ur saying mafia wudnt kill the related roles at any other point in the game? this logic is flawed
u r just delaying the inevitable
You faked an investigation and wasted half a day phase. That's just poor play.dont see anything wrong with that
It might look like that but sadly it was not trueWell actually Iwan fake claiming Hiruzen couldve gone far until like he gave up to look for Aizen for whatever reason lol
it would depend on where the kill lands. Obviously kills landing on me, on our pair investigators, and on our masons was badeh u say that in theory but in practice thats not how it turned out
lets hear from nitty who aizen actually controlled
and u guys were gna get the free kills anyway, its not like the kills only happen when town claims
its actually better we claim so the kills dont happen suddenly
It was fine, the biggest concern was calling Ratchet a control roleIt might look like that but sadly it was not true
My claim was absolute busted the second i all ined tac claim
we will die sooner or later, scums have double kills almost every night cuz of killer rolesit would depend on where the kill lands. Obviously kills landing on me, on our pair investigators, and on our masons was bad
We could be fine if the other roles that got hit because those fake claims are essentially weaker.
I did that so Charles would get free Tsunade claimIt was fine, the biggest concern was calling Ratchet a control role
you couldve said I didn't use the coroner ability yet because you used a protect instead
i dont know why youre dying on this hill when claiming KILLS POE for other townies. Mafia is looking to kill other roles so we're doing their job for them with the mass claim.@Shizune u shud invite everyone to aizen PM. its pretty clear day 2 claiming did absolutely not affect his win at all, maybe other than kill nat i guess?
im also surprised u allowed her to add both nat and lind on the same phase? or maybe i understood it wrong. thought can only add one per phase
anyway point stands, aizen did not win from the day 2 claim fest AT ALL, and you have to keep in mind when we claimed day 2 we didnt know he can now win without having to target mafia as well
so yes, claiming benefitted town more than harm them
@Shizune u shud invite everyone to aizen PM. its pretty clear day 2 claiming did absolutely not affect his win at all, maybe other than kill nat i guess?
im also surprised u allowed her to add both nat and lind on the same phase? or maybe i understood it wrong. thought can only add one per phase
anyway point stands, aizen did not win from the day 2 claim fest AT ALL, and you have to keep in mind when we claimed day 2 we didnt know he can now win without having to target mafia as well
so yes, claiming benefitted town more than harm them
you didn't have to say ratchet was a control role, you couldve been perfectly fine playing as Hiruzen and not saying anything about the roles outing yourselfI did that so Charles would get free Tsunade claim
i didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced@Ekkologix Why are you trying to prove that you could win through mass claiming? Even if that were true, it would just mean I messed up didn't balance the game properly, so your "win" wouldn't mean anything anyway. Town is never supposed to be able to win through mass claiming. Why sign up to play mafia if you're just trying to abuse the setup and win as quickly as possible without having to actually do anything?
@Ekkologix Aizen could guess every phase not cycle u bakaI'll add anyone who wants to be added, but I don't think anyone cares except for you.
Poison subbed in near the end of day 2, so to give her time to catch up I let her wait to submit her day 2 guess until the end of night 2. Ergo, she got to submit two names on night 2, but it was really just the day 2 and night 2 guesses.
nitty trust me claiming is the right play. dont be too stubborn lolUsopp is just proving my point as to why I'm going back to only doing closed setups after this. Because apparently town players on NF will role claim every time, no matter how hard they get punished for it, and that just makes the game less fun for everyone.![]()
youre forgetting lind, flower, hayumi claiming on day 2 as welli didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced
mass claiming in this game is dfifferent from normal games nitty
here all deaths r janitored, so mafia have plathera of fake claims they can use if they play it correctly
in fact they also have double kills or more with sakon and orochimaru roles. so yea mafia has ways to play around claiming
what made it hard is the amount of night kills mafia had. this would destroy town regardless of claiming or not
i think mafia kills need to be toned a bit cuz honestly we got lucky by killing orochimaru day 2.
dont try to blame everything on claims. it was towns best way of gaining info this game given the flips dont show and we dont even know if our coroen/hiruzen is alive or dead
its not like we claimed much either, only me nat kvothe and oni. the other roles were fine. this shud in no way lose town the game
i know but it seems she guessed both lind and nat in the same phase@Ekkologix Aizen could guess every phase not cycle u baka![]()
i didnt rly say the setup is bad, i think it was decently balanced
mass claiming in this game is dfifferent from normal games nitty
here all deaths r janitored, so mafia have plathera of fake claims they can use if they play it correctly
in fact they also have double kills or more with sakon and orochimaru roles. so yea mafia has ways to play around claiming
what made it hard is the amount of night kills mafia had. this would destroy town regardless of claiming or not
i think mafia kills need to be toned a bit cuz honestly we got lucky by killing orochimaru day 2.
dont try to blame everything on claims. it was towns best way of gaining info this game given the flips dont show and we dont even know if our coroen/hiruzen is alive or dead
its not like we claimed much either, only me nat kvothe and oni. the other roles were fine. this shud in no way lose town the game
flower claimed randomlyyoure forgetting lind, flower, hayumi claiming on day 2 as well
it just kills the PoE
Siggy got roleblocked as the vig early on
nitty trust me claiming is the right play. dont be too stubborn lol
u have host tmi, we dont
if mafia kills us without us claiming, we wouldnt even know who died. mafia can do 2 kills per night, sometimes more with orochimaru
we will get absolutely destroyed if we dont know who died but mafia does. thats 3 janitor kills a night nitty. u realize how nuts this wud be without claiming?
can you ask mods to add a dunce hat to anybody that claims within D1-D2, that might workUsopp is just proving my point as to why I'm going back to only doing closed setups after this. Because apparently town players on NF will role claim every time, no matter how hard they get punished for it, and that just makes the game less fun for everyone.![]()
breh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.flower claimed randomly
hayumi/lind were never forced to
and lind got vigged for some reason despite being a counter wagon to shrike
hayumi was alive till end
doesnt affect anything rly
no not mass claim, but half claim. mass claim is dumbYou need to pick one or the other. Either town should not have mass claimed in this game, or this game was imbalanced. If the town can mass claim their way to victory, that categorically means the game was imbalanced. Town has to be punished for claiming or the game is imbalanced.
yea none encourages mass claimingbreh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.
it means all mafia has to do is figure out what LM and Siggy is and deal with them lol. Same scenario if it was mixed around. If town mass claims but like 3 people, mafia can kill the right targets and rolecrush/silence/roleblock the others.
Its why mass claiming is a terrible idea. Why are we breaking down the PoE for mafia when they already have loads of information
Yeh, you're allowing mafia to prioritize and optimize who they should kill free of charge lmao. And it's even worse with indies in the game since mafia can keep them alive depending on their benefit/detriment.breh i said it kills the PoE. I'm not talking about them.
it means all mafia has to do is figure out what LM and Siggy is and deal with them lol. Same scenario if it was mixed around. If town mass claims but like 3 people, mafia can kill the right targets and rolecrush/silence/roleblock the others.
Its why mass claiming is a terrible idea. Why are we breaking down the PoE for mafia when they already have loads of information
i agree nittyyyyGod I'm getting tilted lol.
Point is, mass claims fucking suck, they're not fucking fun, and games almost always have to be designed to punish claims in some way because some people would literally rather mass claim on day one to "win" than actually play the game.
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THE OTHER WAY AROUNDyea none encourages mass claiming
3 ppl claiming out of 14 townies is NOT mass claiming
did 11 claim day 2?THE OTHER WAY AROUND
11 claiming out of 14 townies is mass claiming![]()
no not mass claim, but half claim. mass claim is dumb
nitty i dont think mafia killer roles actually punish claiming, its just extra kills whether we claim or not lol
like charles role and shrike role
lets think for a moment. say we dont lynch shrike day 2 and instead lynch a townie
between charles and shrike AND the faction kill, mafia can maybe do 3 janitor kills. THREE JANITOR
if we dont claim anything, entire mafia team can claim the dead roles. the coroner cannot check everything. he can only check once per cycle, when there r like 3-4 deaths a cycle (including lynch), and the coroner might be killed as well
i think in terms of balance u just need to tone mafia kills a bit OR make the extra kills only work vs claimed roles, not vs everything. and make aizen the 2nd version that u had, not 3rd version.
that wasnt 2-3 people LOLi agree nittyyyy
none is massclaiminggg
just 2-3 ppl lol
11 townies were known at that point yes.did 11 claim day 2?
i just think mafia had too many night kills, regardless of what we claim. they had lots of kills
and to make it worst, both invest roles die together, and both masoners die together. they r linked
if we dont claim we allow mafia to basically control everything and its gg
thats it for me
man even when we DID claim, you didnt fucking believe us anywaysi just think mafia had too many night kills, regardless of what we claim. they had lots of kills
and to make it worst, both invest roles die together, and both masoners die together. they r linked
if we dont claim we allow mafia to basically control everything and its gg
thats it for me
only nat claimed, and u hinted. the rest never had to i agreethat wasnt 2-3 people LOL
lets count shall we
tiffany and ratchet are dead
lind, flower, me, you, oni, nat, lind, hayumi, vivo was hinted by nat
they would then need to guess only these people
siggy, LM, tac, jw, and only
one of them is Aizen.
So 4 townies Unknown, the rest known.
thats a mass claim. And thats dumb.
i wish we had isane's roleTown had several protective abilities and a vig![]()