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Tiger said:
Just quoting this for emphasis. If others think this makes sense, lynch me.

I don't think a townie generally makes this post. If I really did tank a kill last night thanks to hiding, it makes sense to try and drum up a reason to get rid of me a different way.

I haven't played contradictory. This shows that Nat wants me gone regardless of what Cypher is, OR Nat already knows what Cypher is and is using it to set up a good lynch tunnel.

Either way, I am confident townies will see this.

That said. If Cypher is town and people want to lynch me next for it, I will still consider a confirmed Nessos and Maerala to be a very solid trade for town to move forward and win.
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I love how fussed you are over it :trinny
 
Dragon D. Luffy said:
Oh thats cool, thanks Tiger.

Also I blocked JW. Any chance that's what stopped the kill?
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Well, if there is a Black in Green, it has to be JW or Tiger, right?
Dragon D. Luffy said:
I don't know if my block worked, but my follow on Tiger didn't work and I thought that was because I was blocked.

Now Tiger informed me his passive stopped the follow, so we are back to not knowing if my block worked.

But since mafia failed to make a kill, there is a decent chance it was because I blocked JW.
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Well, since you and Kue are confirmed, it is likely that either Tiger or JW are Black, would town have 4 roleblockers? JW was mostly inactive so far and was roleblocked today and I am a bit torn on Tiger... he makes reasonable points, but voted on two mislynches and has passive making him immune to actions?

[Vote Lynch Cypher] unless there is some new evidence, we cannot ignore how she survived with more votes with two townie mislynches, I wonder if Mafia would make so much effort to frame her?

Also, can each Yellow sister heal? It does not make sense as Mafia ability since apparently town does not have vigs...
 
Go D. Usopp said:
sorry guys i had a long ass drive today and dont have time to catch up on anything

all i know is i did use my defensive ability and apparently scum failed their kill on me i think

also if we dont lynch cypher today imma request a modkill aswell cuz i cba with this game anymore since i dont have as much time to play sadly

[vote lynch cypher]
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What does my lynch have to do with you playing the game?


Wait, do you guys win if I'm being lynched? Didn't somebody mention a lynchpin?

Anyways, Usopp is confirmed scum, too, now since I didn't ever vote to role crush Cooler which a scum would have to waste the role crush ability, he knows this and still votes me up. And yeah, scum prolly gonna win if I'm lynched now.
 
Lord Melkor said:
Well, if there is a Black in Green, it has to be JW or Tiger, right?


Well, since you and Kue are confirmed, it is likely that either Tiger or JW are Black, would town have 4 roleblockers? JW was mostly inactive so far and was roleblocked today and I am a bit torn on Tiger... he makes reasonable points, but voted on two mislynches and has passive making him immune to actions?

[Vote Lynch Cypher] unless there is some new evidence, we cannot ignore how she survived with more votes with two townie mislynches, I wonder if Mafia would make so much effort to frame her?

Also, can each Yellow sister heal? It does not make sense as Mafia ability since apparently town does not have vigs...
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Yes I think the likelihood is very high that JW is mafia by PoE.

I don't have a passive. It's an active ability to hide.

And lol at Cypher being "confirmed" because she voted not to Still Cooler.
 
Cypher said:
What does my lynch have to do with you playing the game?


Wait, do you guys win if I'm being lynched? Didn't somebody mention a lynchpin?

Anyways, Usopp is confirmed scum, too, now since I didn't ever vote to role crush Cooler which a scum would have to waste the role crush ability, he knows this and still votes me up. And yeah, scum prolly gonna win if I'm lynched now.
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I was just thinking about him.

IF you are town, it makes M- town. We already know Cooler is town, so he is the only one left in your chat group.

But I doubt he'd get modkilled if he was mafia.
 
@Nessos @WolfPrinceKiba

I'd love to hear your take on that lynch. And whether you're on-board with a Cypher lynch today.

Nessos, how do you feel about Cypher's claim that Maerala is town?

And, @Dragon D. Luffy just because you were wrong about Cooler doesn't make it a bad attempt. No one is going to blame you for that. We were going in circles last day phase and information was stacking up...but if we were wrong, we were lynching a town cop with only one result. Now, we have two results, which is the strongest equilibrium point we'll have all game to cash in and gain information. We will win this game through process of elimination and that starts with Cypher. Hopefully you're feeling more confident.
 
Tiger said:
And, @Dragon D. Luffy just because you were wrong about Cooler doesn't make it a bad attempt. No one is going to blame you for that. We were going in circles last day phase and information was stacking up...but if we were wrong, we were lynching a town cop with only one result. Now, we have two results, which is the strongest equilibrium point we'll have all game to cash in and gain information. We will win this game through process of elimination and that starts with Cypher. Hopefully you're feeling more confident.
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:dank wow, this is how sweet talk is done
 
Tiger said:
Since you're here, Nat, why is it you seem so aggro towards me but aren't actively rallying for my lynch?

Do you think Cypher is town or mafia? How about John Wayne, Ishmael, Juan or WPK?

If they don't align there, what are your actual reads? Ignoring voting patterns for a minute.
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Rally how? I said all I wanted to say, I ain't gonna spam. It's just you and me talking anyways.

What reads? JW, Juan and WPK (not to mention Melodie) barely posted. There's not much I can say. Why are you focusing only on them?

I clearly accused Ishmael yesterday, you saw it.
 
Natalija said:
Rally how? I said all I wanted to say, I ain't gonna spam. It's just you and me talking anyways.

What reads? JW, Juan and WPK (not to mention Melodie) barely posted. There's not much I can say. Why are you focusing only on them?

I clearly accused Ishmael yesterday, you saw it.
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I'm just surprised you're not pleading your case to others. Tagging people to see what they think, etc.

They've all posted enough to have reads. There's plenty you could say, but I am unsure if you're interested in solving so much as fabricating. So I'm asking you for your thoughts on a section of usernames and then asking for reads to see what tone you have when questioned, or if you refuse entirely. Which names may matter to me or they may not, but if I told you ahead of time, that would skew the results.

Go D. Usopp said:
cypher says she didnt wanna role crush cooler

yet votes on cooler to save her life

do u take me for an idiot just cuz im inactive today :smilepepe
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Hey come on now. That doesn't mean anything. Voting someone you think is town to save yourself is fine.
 
Tiger said:
I'm just surprised you're not pleading your case to others. Tagging people to see what they think, etc.

They've all posted enough to have reads. There's plenty you could say, but I am unsure if you're interested in solving so much as fabricating. So I'm asking you for your thoughts on a section of usernames and then asking for reads to see what tone you have when questioned, or if you refuse entirely. Which names may matter to me or they may not, but if I told you ahead of time, that would skew the results.



Hey come on now. That doesn't mean anything. Voting someone you think is town to save yourself is fine.
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The case is there for everyone to read, I’m not gonna mass tag or beg over it.

I’m not fabricating that only you and Cypher voted for LG and Cooler, it is what it is, Tiger :lul
 
Go D. Usopp said:
sorry guys i had a long ass drive today and dont have time to catch up on anything

all i know is i did use my defensive ability and apparently scum failed their kill on me i think

also if we dont lynch cypher today imma request a modkill aswell cuz i cba with this game anymore since i dont have as much time to play sadly

[vote lynch cypher]
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What other abilities did you use?
 
Hero said:
I missed phase 1 & the end of phase 2, but the argument is that Cypher survived two lynches despite being in the lead?

we think this is alignment indicative because?

@Cypher have you explained the nature of this ability of whatever anywhere?
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Cypher has stated many times she has nothing to do with it.

No townies have claimed responsibility, despite it being a heated question for days.

Cypher claimed town cop D1.

We are 98% sure mafia saved her both times.

So why would they do that if she is town cop?
 
Tiger said:
Nessos, how do you feel about Cypher's claim that Maerala is town?
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Scanning "inno" not necessrily equals they have to be Town. Don't you agree?

Also outed cop can be manipulated easily or Not? Don't you think with almost everyone having an Invest ability, scum might have some abilities to deal with it?


I still see a passive reducing votes by 2 extremly weak for a Nitty mafia passive. Especially in a Game were up to 2 Towns have +1 Vote power.


Thats my take in the Situation.
 
Hmmmm, there is an argument from Tiger that if she was cop someone would come out to protect her which would explain her absence... well i says that is bs, why not say the same argument about an actual cop coming out and defying her claim????

1) Unable to lie in the game
2) Would confirm two potential players as well as confirm cypher as mafia


and yet you lay your ground on a doctor to come out instead of a cop roleclaim? I don't understand, a game like this is GUARANTEED to have a cop considering apparently we dont even have a big

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Also I firmly believe Hero is mafia and needs to be ridden of

[Vote Lynch Hero]
 
My mafia career is old enough to buy beer in the States. You always consider all the outlier options, but 9 times out of 10, Occam's Razor really does rule the day.

Thing is, casting doubt on the scan results on Maerala is equal to casting doubt on the scan result on you. And it's a slippery slope not worth falling down.

That doesn't mean if Cypher flips mafia that you are immediately mafia, nor is Maerala. But if Cypher is a town cop, and mafia truly is keeping her alive solely to use her as mislynch fodder while they alter her results (very specific scenario, btw), that does weaken the confirmation results if she is lynched. By your logic, even if Cypher flips town cop, we still shouldn't trust you.

I don't think that's wise to assume at all.

Do we keep the possibility in the back of our minds? Sure. But we as town, with the uninformed majority, we take what we're given and push forward. You'll go crazy with wifom otherwise.

@Melodie So you're saying that the very fact that a cop hasn't come forward means Cypher must be telling the truth? I'm not sure what you mean about a doctor, or the argument I'm making, that seemed less coherent to me.

I fully believe that Cypher's red role is a cop. And when she became a black sister, she either lost the ability to use the scan, or kept it for her team. Same as John Wayne, if he's mafia-- he still sees what his role would have been had he still been green.

Black sisters would know what their fake roles were.

Maybe we have a cop in Brown that doesn't feel confident enough to out themselves to shade Cypher-- but is voting them to hopefully lynch them. Maybe we don't have a cop at all. We have a ton of trackers, watchers, magic sensors, and role-blockers and healers. A cop might not be necessary in this setup.

That's an odd vote, Nessos. And Cypher keeps talking about how there's no resistance on his lynch trains lol

Did you miss the part where DDL blocked John Wayne and there was no kill last night? If you won't lynch Cypher, or even Maerala that you keep talking about-- wouldn't JW make more sense?
 
Tiger said:
@Melodie So you're saying that the very fact that a cop hasn't come forward means Cypher must be telling the truth? I'm not sure what you mean about a doctor, or the argument I'm making, that seemed less coherent to me.

I fully believe that Cypher's red role is a cop. And when she became a black sister, she either lost the ability to use the scan, or kept it for her team. Same as John Wayne, if he's mafia-- he still sees what his role would have been had he still been green.

Black sisters would know what their fake roles were.

Maybe we have a cop in Brown that doesn't feel confident enough to out themselves to shade Cypher-- but is voting them to hopefully lynch them. Maybe we don't have a cop at all. We have a ton of trackers, watchers, magic sensors, and role-blockers and healers. A cop might not be necessary in this setup.
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If I recall correctly, you stated that if Cypher truly was a cop, a player would come out to state that she has been protected all these nights by them instead of keeping quiet. So her survivability to this phase is not believable due to the fact she survived this long despite being a cop. I'm saying wouldn't a cop existing for town have just as much value if not more for this argument? And would a doctor coming out to say "I have been protecting the cop!" be wise in this situation?

That being said, I do agree Cypher's case is very strong, but I just thought the argument with the doctor comparison you presented to not be sound. I think that she's the strongest lynch in the game as far as setting the progression of all future phases, but at the same time I also think Hero's action towards DDL is very likely to be a mafia one, so that's where I want my vote to be.
 
Melodie said:
If I recall correctly, you stated that if Cypher truly was a cop, a player would come out to state that she has been protected all these nights by them instead of keeping quiet. So her survivability to this phase is not believable due to the fact she survived this long despite being a cop. I'm saying wouldn't a cop existing for town have just as much value if not more for this argument? And would a doctor coming out to say "I have been protecting the cop!" be wise in this situation?

That being said, I do agree Cypher's case is very strong, but I just thought the argument with the doctor comparison you presented to not be sound. I think that she's the strongest lynch in the game as far as setting the progression of all future phases, but at the same time I also think Hero's action towards DDL is very likely to be a mafia one, so that's where I want my vote to be.
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I definitely didn't say that. I would never say it was a good idea for a doctor to announce that they're protecting the cop.

What good would that do? I'm fully on-board with a doctor protecting Cypher any night they want, of course-- odds are we don't have a vig, and if Cypher really is town cop, that can only be a good save...but outing themselves as a doc who is protecting her? No that's silly.

It's also silly for a tracker or watcher to out people targeting Cypher. Especially when they're from yellow Ajah, wouldn't you agree?
 
Tiger said:
My mafia career is old enough to buy beer in the States. You always consider all the outlier options, but 9 times out of 10, Occam's Razor really does rule the day.
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Nessos said:
Thats what I thought too. A Veteran excluding the possibility of scum Messing around with outed cop result is weird as fuck.
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Already responded to that silliness.

And lmfao at you actually trying to make the wagons close again after the last two days. Nice try.

I feel like mafia are irritated and just done with being subtle in this phase.
 
Melodie said:
hero is in the game??
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Melodie said:
Hmmmm, there is an argument from Tiger that if she was cop someone would come out to protect her which would explain her absence... well i says that is bs, why not say the same argument about an actual cop coming out and defying her claim????

1) Unable to lie in the game
2) Would confirm two potential players as well as confirm cypher as mafia


and yet you lay your ground on a doctor to come out instead of a cop roleclaim? I don't understand, a game like this is GUARANTEED to have a cop considering apparently we dont even have a big

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Also I firmly believe Hero is mafia and needs to be ridden of

[Vote Lynch Hero]
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I am not fan of you being inactive and then suddenly voting Hero who was also inactive. There are other people like Juan or John Wayne being inactive as well but you are focusing only on Hero.

Is this based on you seeing him trying to do something to DD?

Tiger said:
I am not even that confused as to why mafia isn't/probably isn't going after Cypher if Cypher is a town cop. She outed herself as such D1-- suspicion or no, it only makes sense that she is either protected or watched.

What was weird was going after Kvothe N1. To me, that paints Juan in a bad light...but no one seems to want to engage me on that.
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Yes, Juan being inactive and only one remaining from his Ajah look pretty bad for him.

Who do you see as scum if Cypher flips Mafia and who if Cypher flips town?
 
There is no way mafia tried to mess with cop result by kept roleblocking Cypher. The fact that Cypher got result on Maerala showed Cypher didn't get roleblocked last night. Cypher also got result on Nessos which means Cypher also didn't get roleblocked night one. Mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock Cypher and CYpher was still alie today. Added with survived lynch two times when she had the most number of votes. I keep my vote on CYpher.
 
Dragon D Xebec said:
There is no way mafia tried to mess with cop result by kept roleblocking Cypher. The fact that Cypher got result on Maerala showed Cypher didn't get roleblocked last night. Cypher also got result on Nessos which means Cypher also didn't get roleblocked night one. Mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock Cypher and CYpher was still alie today. Added with survived lynch two times when she had the most number of votes. I keep my vote on CYpher.
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Yeah, do that...like there is no other way they could mess with my results, right? There is just no way they could have a Redirector or something like this, right?


Anyway, I'm done here. Town is legit blind this game. Don't want to hear excuses like "B-but you were acting scummy." when you guys see my flip. This lynch is just pathetic and you all know this.
 
Cypher said:
Yeah, do that...like there is no other way they could mess with my results, right? There is just no way they could have a Redirector or something like this, right?


Anyway, I'm done here. Town is legit blind this game. Don't want to hear excuses like "B-but you were acting scummy." when you guys see my flip. This lynch is just pathetic and you all know this.
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Are you sure someone visited you last night?
 
Dragon D Xebec said:
There is no way mafia tried to mess with cop result by kept roleblocking Cypher. The fact that Cypher got result on Maerala showed Cypher didn't get roleblocked last night. Cypher also got result on Nessos which means Cypher also didn't get roleblocked night one. Mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock Cypher and CYpher was still alie today. Added with survived lynch two times when she had the most number of votes. I keep my vote on CYpher.
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There are other roles then roleblocker able to mess with actions or not?
 
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