Game The Wheel of Time: Trouble in Tar Valon (mafia wins!)

[Natalija]

At least no one was killed.

 

[Magic]

At least no one was killed.

Still a -1 for town

~_~

ARgh. I'm here for this phase, btw. Hello, everyone.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So... I know Hero targeted me with something night 1. No idea what.

Take that as you will.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually, I don't ~know~ it, it's Mr. Message Sender who informed me of that.

I know the name of that person. They seem town unless they are making a weird gambit involving helping the IC at night.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I was probably roleblocked last night, so if anyone knows who targeted me it could be a good lead.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Cypher should be confirmed mafia

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I kind of hate the "FOLLOW DDL!" wagon that formed on Cooler btw.

Someone with more patiance than me please look at the people who used that as an excuse.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If you people don't know that already, my scumhunting skill is "meh" at best.

So you aren't getting much here besides the certainity that my wagons are started by a townie. Doesn't mean they are right.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

With no kill we should get a clue:
- someone was roleblocked
- someone was protected

 

[Natalija]

Also I was probably roleblocked last night, so if anyone knows who targeted me it could be a good lead.

I know. Melodie targeted you.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

I know. Melodie targeted you.

Last night?

 

[Natalija]

The only two people who voted for both LG and Cooler are Cypher and Tiger.

 

[Natalija]

Last night?

No, a week ago

 

[Natalija]

Yes, last night

 

[Magic]

The only two people who voted for both LG and Cooler are Cypher and Tiger.

Probably scummates. Absolutey.

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

[Vote lynch Cypher]

 

[Natalija]

Third is a charm?

 

[Natalija]

Probably scummates. Absolutey.

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

He tells her to vote LG, she does it. He tells her to vote Cooler, she does it could they be that obvious, not sure

 

[Magic]

In case Cypher is immune to the lynch or needs to be the last one lynched we should have a secondary lynch who is a prominent suspect.

 

[Magic]

He tells her to vote LG, she does it. He tells her to vote Cooler, she does it could they be that obvious, not sure

When I was on a scum team with her she kind of played unsure, could be coaching on Tiger's part.

Will be speed reading the game and will post all my reads in 2 hours.

 

[Tiger]

The only person to vote for Cypher both days was Maerala. Either Cypher requires 2 extra votes to lynch, or Maerala does basically exactly what Nessos predicted.

I wasn't blocked last night, and I used my defenses. So it's also possible mafia tried to kill me. Anyone watch me?

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Cypher passive is probably first two votes on her are counted zero so day one when she should have eight votes, it became six votes which led rng with LG who had six votes too.

Yesterday similar. Cypher had six votes IIRC and it became four votes and Cooler who had five votes got lynched instead.

 

[Tiger]

When I was on a scum team with her she kind of played unsure, could be coaching on Tiger's part.

Will be speed reading the game and will post all my reads in 2 hours.

Right. Makes perfect sense to coach a newb in the thread rather than our scum chat.

Lmao.

 

[Tiger]

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

No more close wagons please.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Last night?

Night 2. The one that just ended.

My attempt to follow Tiger failed.

 

[Natalija]

In case Cypher is immune to the lynch or needs to be the last one lynched we should have a secondary lynch who is a prominent suspect.

If we have a secondary lynch, it would just be that second person again?

 

[Tiger]

Night 2. The one that just ended.

My attempt to follow Tiger failed.

Oh shite. My last post looks dumb now. I forgot my defense wasn't just against kills. You bounced off my Light Field thingy.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh thats cool, thanks Tiger.

Also I blocked JW. Any chance that's what stopped the kill?

 

[Natalija]

Oh shite. My last post looks dumb now. I forgot my defense wasn't just against kills. You bounced off my Light Field thingy.

That's a pretty powerful defense you got there...

 

[Flower]

Right, continue with the Cypher BS wagon.

 

[Natalija]

Oh thats cool, thanks Tiger.

Also I blocked JW. Any chance that's what stopped the kill?

Your block worked?

Dunno what Melodie did to you then

Right, continue with the Cypher BS wagon.

You got saved twice, Flowa

 

[Flower]

Like...there weren't even the same people on the wagons which supposedly "saved" me, but you guys won't listen to anything I say, right -_-?

 

[Natalija]

Like...there weren't even the same people on the wagons which supposedly "saved" me, but you guys won't listen to anything I say, right -_-?

Like I said, the only people in common for the contra wagons are you and Tiger.

Who did you visit last night?

 

[Magic]

Oh shite. My last post looks dumb now. I forgot my defense wasn't just against kills. You bounced off my Light Field thingy.

You the mafia ninja?

 

[Flower]

Like I said, the only people in common for the contra wagons are you and Tiger.

Who did you visit last night?

Maerala. They are innocent.

 

[Flower]

@Natalija who did you track?

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Your block worked?

Dunno what Melodie did to you then

I don't know if my block worked, but my follow on Tiger didn't work and I thought that was because I was blocked.

Now Tiger informed me his passive stopped the follow, so we are back to not knowing if my block worked.

But since mafia failed to make a kill, there is a decent chance it was because I blocked JW.

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija who did you track?

I already said twice, Melodie visited DDL.

 

[Flower]

Nvm. You already said.

 

[Flower]

Anyway, no clue what kind of vote f***ery is going on here, but I should honestly have gotten lynched already. I feel like I'm being played.

 

[Tiger]

Oh thats cool, thanks Tiger.

Also I blocked JW. Any chance that's what stopped the kill?

Definitely a possibility.

That's a pretty powerful defense you got there...

I have two actives. If I "hide" behind a field of light, I can't use my other ability.

And its action priority makes it vulnerable to certain things.

Like...there weren't even the same people on the wagons which supposedly "saved" me, but you guys won't listen to anything I say, right -_-?

Maerala voted you both times.

You the mafia ninja?

Isn't Ninja a killer that can't be tracked? How is that relevant?

Maerala. They are innocent.

Nessos and Maerala. Your two scans.

@Nessos how do you feel about Cypher cop scanning you and Maerala innocent?

I don't know if my block worked, but my follow on Tiger didn't work and I thought that was because I was blocked.

Now Tiger informed me his passive stopped the follow, so we are back to not knowing if my block worked.

But since mafia failed to make a kill, there is a decent chance it was because I blocked JW.

I'm jealous you can use both actives!

But yeah, if you were blocked you'd have been told. I was informed when you blocked me.

 

[Tiger]

So far possible reasons for failed mafia kill:

John Wayne was blocked.
I was avoiding actions and tanked it.

 

[Natalija]

@Tiger would you sacrifice yourself to be the second lynch with Cypher?

 

[Tiger]

@Tiger would you sacrifice yourself to be the second lynch with Cypher?

That would be pretty dumb. Did you miss the part where DDL just said he blocked John Wayne and the mafia failed to kill?

The fact that John wouldn't be next up for you is a bit odd.

 

[Tiger]

With the new Cypher and Maerala information, I'd like to hear Nessos' take on it.

Two lynches in a row that Cypher is saved. Both times after mentioning he's a town cop.

No townie has come forward to say they saved him. Why would mafia save a professed cop twice?

Lynching Cypher gives us more information than anyone else in the game right now, unless something mechanical happens to make DDL's block look like it certainly stopped JW from making a kill.

 

[Natalija]

That would be pretty dumb. Did you miss the part where DDL just said he blocked John Wayne and the mafia failed to kill?

The fact that John wouldn't be next up for you is a bit odd.

I'll still take the chances with you. It's no coincidence that you voted for the opposing wagons.

And frankly the fact that you can protect yourself makes it feel like you're important.

 

[Tiger]

At this point, even if we're wrong-- it clears Maerala and Nessos as confirmed townies. That's huge.

 

[Tiger]

I'll still take the chances with you. It's no coincidence that you voted for the opposing wagons.

And frankly the fact that you can protect yourself makes it feel like you're important.

Lol ok. You remember I was pushing for Cypher's lynch both days right? And am pushing for her lynch right now?

Been drinking?

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm digging the Cypher thing now tbh.

At some point we gotta call occam's razor.

[vote lynch Cypher]

 

[Natalija]

Lol ok. You remember I was pushing for Cypher's lynch both days right? And am pushing for her lynch right now?

Been drinking?

It doesn't matter if you pushed for her or not, you are the only one who ultimately voted for LG and Cooler.

So what good does your push excuse do if you didn't vote her?

No, but I intend to, thanks for asking

[vote lynch Tiger]

 

[Tiger]

I'm digging the Cypher thing now tbh.

At some point we gotta call occam's razor.

[vote lynch Cypher]

It doesn't matter if you pushed for her or not, you are the only one who ultimately voted for LG and Cooler.

So what good does your push excuse do if you didn't vote her?

No, but I intend to, thanks for asking

[vote lynch Tiger]

Speaking of Occam's Razor, Nat-- there's one other person who voted for LG and Cooler.

That would be Cypher.

 

[Flower]

And again, you guys are being blind.

But well, at least my lynch will confirm my results, so there is this.

 

[Tiger]

Natalija is literally voting me because he/she thinks I voted somewhere else to save Cypher-- while I'm pushing for a Cypher wagon.

Anyone else think this is circus-level?

 

[Flower]

Speaking of Occam's Razor, Nat-- there's one other person who voted for LG and Cooler.

That would be Cypher.

No s**t. Perhaps because I know I'm Town?

 

[Natalija]

Speaking of Occam's Razor, Nat-- there's one other person who voted for LG and Cooler.

That would be Cypher.

I know. That's why you're a perfect second lynch candidate, dear.

 

[Natalija]

Natalija is literally voting me because he/she thinks I voted somewhere else to save Cypher-- while I'm pushing for a Cypher wagon.

Anyone else think this is circus-level?

No, I'm doing it because you might be a strong mafia role. Don't twist this.

 

[Tiger]

And again, you guys are being blind.

But well, at least my lynch will confirm my results, so there is this.

Yeah sorry if we're wrong, but at this point unless stone cold proof comes along, it only makes sense to lynch you.

Ends this confusion, and if you're town-- we get two confirmed townies in Maerala and Nessos.

 

[Tiger]

Really watch for anyone trying to make this lynch close today. There should be 3 or 4 votes distance between Cypher and the next person. And watch especially carefully what the Whites do with their big votes.

John Wayne should be 2nd wagon.

 

[Tiger]

With Kue bowing out as town, and DDL being inno child, it makes DDL's block on JW look much, much stronger.

I also have a block, btw. It's my 2nd active. I just can't use it while I hide. I'd rather stay alive to late game and use my block to full effect then.

 

[Natalija]

I'd rather stay alive to late game and use my block to full effect then.

dunno why you're so fussed over staying alive

 

[Flower]

dunno why you're so fussed over staying alive

Because he's scum.

 

[Flower]

[Vote Lynch Tiger]

Not that there's any point since I'm gonna get lynched anyway today, but at least I wanna make a point. This guy is scum and if he's not gonna get lynched after my flip I will be pissed.

 

[John Wayne]

So far possible reasons for failed mafia kill:

John Wayne was blocked.
I was avoiding actions and tanked it.

I wish I had kills lol. But I'm a roleblocker/tracker

 

[Natalija]

Because he's scum.

One thing is true, your flip will confirm both your actions as well as Tiger being scum.

 

[Flower]

One thing is true, your flip will confirm both your actions as well as Tiger being scum.

Lynch him after my flip. I want this guy gone.

 

[Tiger]

dunno why you're so fussed over staying alive

A late roleblocker is really strong for town. Early, less so.

One thing is true, your flip will confirm both your actions as well as Tiger being scum.

Oof, could it be this easy? Wonder why Natalija is so mad. Did you try and kill me last night and couldn't?

Anyone else seeing this? Natalija is saying I'm scum for voting away from Cypher. And if Cypher is town I'm scum for trying to lynch Cypher.

I can't be the only one lol

 

[Tiger]

Lynch him after my flip. I want this guy gone.

I can definitely understand you wanting revenge. If town, my bad. But having Maerala and Nessos confirmed is very valuable.

But it just doesn't make sense that mafia is actively working to keep you around if you're a town cop. And they didn't interfere with your investigation at all, either.

We'll start to figure things out once you're successfully lynched.

 

[Flower]

A late roleblocker is really strong for town. Early, less so.



Oof, could it be this easy? Wonder why Natalija is so mad. Did you try and kill me last night and couldn't?

Anyone else seeing this? Natalija is saying I'm scum for voting away from Cypher. And if Cypher is town I'm scum for trying to lynch Cypher.

I can't be the only one lol

What else are you supposed to be? You voted for my counter wagons and now act like I was saved when it was legit you helping with this.

 

[Natalija]

Oof, could it be this easy? Wonder why Natalija is so mad. Did you try and kill me last night and couldn't?

Anyone else seeing this? Natalija is saying I'm scum for voting away from Cypher. And if Cypher is town I'm scum for trying to lynch Cypher.

I can't be the only one lol

Yeah, that must be it skip me with that nonsense.

You two are simply the only thing in common for the two mislynches, and you're acting real odd right now. A townie shouldn't be so alarmed over this, especially not since it's just me calling you out.

 

[Flower]

I can definitely understand you wanting revenge. If town, my bad. But having Maerala and Nessos confirmed is very valuable.

But it just doesn't make sense that mafia is actively working to keep you around if you're a town cop. And they didn't interfere with your investigation at all, either.

We'll start to figure things out once you're successfully lynched.

How do you know they didn't interfere with my actions?

 

[Flower]

Was this a slip?

 

[Flower]

@Natalija did this guy just slip lmfao?

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija did this guy just slip lmfao?

I don't know

 

[Flower]

I don't know

Taking a whole lot of time answering this, too. Yeah, get him out if I get lynched in any case.

 

[Natalija]

Taking a whole lot of time answering this, too. Yeah, get him out if I get lynched in any case.

It's odd, especially since Ishmael visited you.

 

[Tiger]

Yeah, that must be it skip me with that nonsense.

You two are simply the only thing in common for the two mislynches, and you're acting real odd right now. A townie shouldn't be so alarmed over this, especially not since it's just me calling you out.

Maerala voted Cypher both times.

How do you know they didn't interfere with my actions?

Because you came to the thread with an investigation result.

Taking a whole lot of time answering this, too. Yeah, get him out if I get lynched in any case.

Again, I can understand you wanting revenge. But just me? That's odd. Others are pushing for your lynch too. I'm not first-- I just have valid reasoning and am actually agreeing to talk to you. Who else deserves to be lynched once you are?

@Natalija simple question: am I scum in your eyes if Cypher is scum or if Cypher is innocent? And support each one, please.

 

[Tiger]

It's odd, especially since Ishmael visited you.

Ishmael who has announced himself a healer.

 

[Flower]

Maerala voted Cypher both times.



Because you came to the thread with an investigation result.



Again, I can understand you wanting revenge. But just me? That's odd. Others are pushing for your lynch too. I'm not first-- I just have valid reasoning and am actually agreeing to talk to you. Who else deserves to be lynched once you are?

@Natalija simple question: am I scum in your eyes if Cypher is scum or if Cypher is innocent? And support each one, please.

You, Usopp, JW...my prime suspects.

 

[Natalija]

Maerala voted Cypher both times.


@Natalija simple question: am I scum in your eyes if Cypher is scum or if Cypher is innocent? And support each one, please.

I'm just looking into who was on the counter wagon.

You're scum if she is innocent. Because you are the only one who voted for the counter wagons and could have manipulated the lynch to make us go after Cypher on a goose chase.

Your gameplay is strange too - you say you pushed for Cypher, but you didn't vote her. It's contradictory.

If she is scum, then GG

 

[Tiger]

I'm just looking into who was on the counter wagon.

You're scum if she is innocent. Because you are the only one who voted for the counter wagons and could have manipulated the lynch to make us go after Cypher on a goose chase.

Your gameplay is strange too - you say you pushed for Cypher, but you didn't vote her. It's contradictory.

If she is scum, then GG

Just quoting this for emphasis. If others think this makes sense, lynch me.

I don't think a townie generally makes this post. If I really did tank a kill last night thanks to hiding, it makes sense to try and drum up a reason to get rid of me a different way.

I haven't played contradictory. This shows that Nat wants me gone regardless of what Cypher is, OR Nat already knows what Cypher is and is using it to set up a good lynch tunnel.

Either way, I am confident townies will see this.

That said. If Cypher is town and people want to lynch me next for it, I will still consider a confirmed Nessos and Maerala to be a very solid trade for town to move forward and win.