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Cypher said:
Yes, I'm a weirdo. I don't do stuff just because others tell me to. I use my invest on people I find suspicious and my Red mates just weren't priority for me. I could like...do it N2, but you guys lynch me and don't give me this possibility. Nice going there.
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lol

just lol

Tiger said:
You are ignoring the possibility that Maerala is town and your theory is baseless because you're so dogged about your theory being the only one worth following. You keep posting saying one of Maerala and Natalija must be mafia.

That in itself is ignoring anything but the sound of your own voice.

And wait. You think it's a possibility that both you and WPK are scum? Huh?

I'm not asking you to list all possibilities available, I'm asking you to talk about the likelihood of possibilities from your perspective. Obviously you wouldn't say it's possible you're both scum from your perspective, that's stupid.

It is far more likely that mafia have a vote swap ability than Maerala or Natalija, specifically, are mafia and have a specific ability to save Cypher.

If I only needed one reason, I'd say it's already far more likely because it doesn't require a specific player's voting history to be true.

And EVEN if you're right, and Maerala has an ability to help save her teammate...that means Cypher is his teammate.

So in all scenarios, you should be supporting a Cypher lynch, but you aren't. And that is weird.



Usopp tried telling you to scan Maerala or Sigis or Cooler.

I agree that you shouldn't just do what he tells you. So you scan Usopp instead. The fact you didn't should be grounds for a lynch by principle. It's not you "not doing what I'm told", it's just actually dumb. And doesn't fit any logical narrative. What would possess you to not want to clear up the question marks in your own mason chat???

You wouldn't if you already knew they were town.
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well i purposely bluffed on here and red chat that I am using a defensive ability, just to try and persuade her to shift more into scanning maerala than me. And so her faction does not kill me. I do not have such ability lmao

I did not expect the nessos scan tho...

Nessos said:
In my opinion the lynch scenario was a way to close. Saving Cypher by exactly one while votes changed a lot during the end.

Do you really believe this?


I could understand, if you believe Cypher being scum if the lynch was clearly redirect or the difference in votes we're much higher but that wasn't the case.



Again someone else having +1 or +2 voting Power as passive besides White Ahja would make White Ajah passive pointless. Don't you agree?


Putting these into account Cypher only being scum unser following circumstances
  • Cypher has a passive reducing votes on her by 2
  • Cypher having a passive, when she should get lynched -> rng between her and 2nd in lynch
  • Black Ajahs votes get nullified whe voting for Black Ajahs -> either Cypher and Nessos scum or Cypher, Natalija and Maerala scum

And yeah all these points Looks totally weak and unlikely for me. Thats why I highly doubt Cypher is scum. And believe I am the last protecting Cypher, I am Just doing my homework as Town.



Based on possibilities I explained why someone being able to shift votes is the case with highest chance to be true (and thats by far).
The best explanation why is the reasoning @WolfPrinceKiba mentioned. Black Ajah needs an ability to counter White Ajahs passive and thats what secretly shifting Vote does.

Looking at the Player voting for Cypher can conclude fast the only possibilities for the players who might have shifted their Vote are @Maerala and @Natalija




You can go back and forth. Question every possibility if it makes sense in this Game or not. And then check who could be behind it and why was it done and you will always end in Maerala or Natalija.


But yeah soon @Tiger will Pop Up once again saying "you missed a lot of possibilities" without being able to name a single possibility I didn't take into account.
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ok but ur forgetting that scum having +2 does not contradict white passive. I mean black color cancels white so why not, that could be the ability used to sway votes lol.
 
Dragon D. Luffy said:
Not a huge fan of Cypher lynch. My gut says she's scum. But really I don't see the point in lynching a claimed cop day 2. If she is town we lose a whole lot. If she is scum we can lynch later.

My gut says Maerala is scum too but new player may be clouding my view a little.

Guys, wanna CFD Cooler or John Wayne?
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Why them in particular? There is something weird with Cooler using abilities while apparently being roleblocked which needs to be clarified..

John Wayne seems to be coasting, same as Melodie.

Feel free to lead us then.

Maerala definately does not look good, she appararently is new player and is busy in real life, but this should not be factors in our decisions.
 
Lord Melkor said:
Why them in particular? There is something weird with Cooler using abilities while apparently being roleblocked which needs to be clarified..

John Wayne seems to be coasting, same as Melodie.

Feel free to lead us then.

Maerala definately does not look good, she appararently is new player and is busy in real life, but this should not be factors in our decisions.
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They are both much, much less useful to town than the usual. Particularly Cooler.
 
Natalija said:
Sure. Power.
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thats one. total 2 now

Dragon D. Luffy said:
I don't follow.

How does a tracker ability being magical guarantee the cop ability is too
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investigating is harder than just eavesdropping. naturally should require power too

Cypher said:
@Natalija how likely do you think is the possibility of Usopp and Cooler being part of the same scum team? Because last night he apparently wanted to role crush Cooler while now he refuses for some reason after Maerala proposed to do this.
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i wanna see ur flip first, dw im role crushing cooler's ass if ur scum, or sigis

so kill me or u can say bye bye to his abilities for the rest of the game
 
Cypher said:
You're literally pushing for a Cop lynch. How about you make a case for an actual scum if you are so Town?

Anyway, got too many votes on me now. So again, nice going there.
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I'm not even really pushing for a lynch. You've been asked to explain your ability multiple times to get votes off you. You refuse I guess?

You have no arguments, just appeals to emotion and being depressed about your votes.

Go D. Usopp said:
@Nessos are u fken dumb bro?

why would scum natalija and maerala use their alleged vote manipulation abilities to sway the lynch from the claimed cop to the claimed tracker

nessos r u fken scum too or what? :dank
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100%

Dragon D. Luffy said:
No I'm just disagreeing with your opinions, having a different playstyle than your favorite one or reading your alignment unfavorably.

All part of the game.

And none of which justify you flaming me like you keep doing.

It's a game. Treat it as such.
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Don't mind disagreeing. Your "from all my experience, I have lessons to teach you all" schtick is obnoxious. Just play.
 
Tiger said:
Don't mind disagreeing. Your "from all my experience, I have lessons to teach you all" schtick is obnoxious. Just play.
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Sorry I don't buy any argument that attempts to know for sure what happened last night. Because I almost never see it working and I've seen so many town teams fail because of it it's hilarious. So yeah I'm going to say that out loud, especially when people ask me why I'm not voting for Cypher.

I guess you're gonna try to insult my mom now?
 
Go D. Usopp said:
well i purposely bluffed on here and red chat that I am using a defensive ability, just to try and persuade her to shift more into scanning maerala than me. And so her faction does not kill me. I do not have such ability lmao

I did not expect the nessos scan tho...
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@Natalija @Dragon D. Luffy @Tiger @Ishmael @Lord Melkor @Cypher

Look at Usopp's post here. Do you think he lied having defensive ability and still in the game?
 
Tiger said:
Fair enough. My apologies. But even if I'm annoyed doesn't mean I don't listen to reason.

You said CFD people and I mentioned Kue and Melodie.
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Apologies accepted, then.

As for those two... I dunno. I don't usually expect anything from Melodie. And Kue is one of those legendary hosts who rarely grace with out presence, so I kind of don't feel like losing him now tbh.
 
Natalija said:
@Ishmael visited @Cooler and @Cypher last night.

Cooler claims roleblocked after I asked.
Cypher claims she investigated Nessos as innocent, but didn't mention anything happening to her
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The odds of actions being intercepted or portrayed as my own are what?

I can confirm that yes I visited cooler but I don’t have a RB and I’ll die on that hill.

I did not visit Cypher, i couldn’t have because of my the role my other ability plays.
 
Natalija said:
Well I got informed that you did visit her, so I guess something weird is happening.
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I VISTITED COOLER AND THE RB YOURE HINTING AT ME HAVING ISNT THAT AT ALL. WHEN HE WAS VISITED IT WASNT EVEN AN ABILITY THAT AFFECTS HIM OR ANY IF I CHOOSE TO USE IT ON YOU THE SHT WONT HARM OR BETTER YOU.

Couldn’t have visited cypher because my other ability is the one I hinted at using on REM... who gave me a reason not to due to activity.
 
Ishmael said:
I VISTITED COOLER AND THE RB YOURE HINTING AT ME HAVING ISNT THAT AT ALL. WHEN HE WAS VISITED IT WASNT EVEN AN ABILITY THAT AFFECTS HIM OR ANY IF I CHOOSE TO USE IT ON YOU THE SHT WONT HARM OR BETTER YOU.

Couldn’t have visited cypher because my other ability is the one I hinted at using on REM... who gave me a reason not to due to activity.
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Okay, so what ability you exactly used on Cooler?
 
Ishmael said:
I VISTITED COOLER AND THE RB YOURE HINTING AT ME HAVING ISNT THAT AT ALL. WHEN HE WAS VISITED IT WASNT EVEN AN ABILITY THAT AFFECTS HIM OR ANY IF I CHOOSE TO USE IT ON YOU THE SHT WONT HARM OR BETTER YOU.

Couldn’t have visited cypher because my other ability is the one I hinted at using on REM... who gave me a reason not to due to activity.
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Pipe down. I didn't say you RBd him, he just claims so. I was just asking.


You 100% visited Cypher lol. I doubt this is a mistake
 
Dragon D Xebec said:
You lied about having defensive ability and yet you're still in the game wtf.
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also, its half a lie shh

remember nitty said we can do half lies

well if there were medics among the mighty majestic punishing red ajah, ehh i maybe wouldnt really wanna be one of them

Dragon D. Luffy said:
Alright.

You know I'm town.

So which one of those do you think are her scummates?
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sigis and wpk, now nessos. cooler is a MAYBE
 
Natalija said:
You 100% visited Cypher lol. I doubt this is a mistake
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Which is where I’m willing to put myself up against you.

I’m telling you that’s false and can’t be right because the other ability I have is one that fits the group I aligned with. It’s a health ability. I didn’t use my ability.


Either you’re lying now

My action is being turned around into something else or my name is being used for an acyion.

My other ability was intended for REM
 
Ishmael said:
Which is where I’m willing to put myself up against you.

I’m telling you that’s false and can’t be right because the other ability I have is one that fits the group I aligned with. It’s a health ability. I didn’t use my ability.


Either you’re lying now

My action is being turned around into something else or my name is being used for an acyion.

My other ability was intended for REM
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I'm not lying dude, I can all but provide a screenshot.

Dragon D. Luffy said:
If Cooler got busdrived with Cypher what would make sense since Cypher is a likely block target after yesterday.
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Yes, but he denies targeting Cypher.
 
also I dont wanna hear this "cypher was saved by RNG" kinda nonesense again

scum didn't think cooler's unvote wasent counted. AND they did not know nessos's passive (UNLESS WPK is scum obviously)

with that being said, scum did their trick and thought votes would be 6-8 = LG lynched FOR SURE

BUT, nessos passive added a +1 to cypher, making it 7-8, AND cooler's unvote was not counted, making it an 8-8

Then NOW its RNG time.

so don't wanna hear that sht again :dead
 
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