Ishmael
I'm not impressed.
I legit had to go and read, plus I’m at work as well so yeah I’m here but they’ll be times where obviously I can’t reply as quick.
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DDL, a confirmed Townie, even confirmed what I did and that I wasn't lying after Nitty cleared it up and you guys are ignoring this again.
So either a whole lot of you are scum or you're not even reading.
I can Just repeat myself.
One of Natalija and Maerala have to be scum and the Cypher-Wagon is utter bullshit.
You have forgotten scum can lie.was interesting but nothing happened to them as well so it wasn’t a lie
I investigated Nessos, found he is innocent and DDL initially voted me because he said I didn't use any abilities. Then Nitty cleared this up by telling him that I used no "magical" abilities (Invests are probably not magical in this case).You'll have to explain what this means.
@Dragon D. Luffy can you help?
Saying it again doesn't increase the likelihood that it's true.
You're a dog with a bone, ignoring any possibility you're wrong and ignoring what's happened all day in favor of your specific theory.
Let me ask you again-- do you think both you and WPK are town?
You're acting like it's a done deal that you're right and are shocked at anyone who isn't drinking your kool-aid. That's odd. You're not confirmed, nor is your theory.
I investigated Nessos, found he is innocent and DDL initially voted me because he said I didn't use any abilities. Then Nitty cleared this up by telling him that I used no "magical" abilities (Invests are probably not magical in this case).
I don't. Yet you keep spreading These phrases while not being able to tell me a single logical possibility I didn't put into Account.ignoring any possibility
It is possible both of us are scum. Also both us being scum at once was an Option I added to the possibilities of what happened to yesterdays lynch.Let me ask you again-- do you think both you and WPK are town?
i respect the possibilities, i just don't agree that cypher was really saved by RNGI pointed out all possibility and explained why the Option is the only that makes sense.
Now acting like I only assume one possibility is BS at let you really look bad.
Cypher was saved by RNG. The lynch wasn't completly redirected thats somehow what the most player are missing.
Here now and ffs are you guys rude.
To address some points:
I have no idea how I wasn't lynched, I thought I would and even said so at EoD. And I was not "saved" or whatever, it was RNG.
Whoever votes me now should be looked at after my flip since some are dropping votes without even saying why and yet none of you guys are even paying attention to this.
DDL, a confirmed Townie, even confirmed what I did and that I wasn't lying after Nitty cleared it up and you guys are ignoring this again.
So either a whole lot of you are scum or you're not even reading.
It’s kind of what I was saying. Could’ve been worded better but my stance is that..You have forgotten scum can lie.
Yes, I'm a weirdo. I don't do stuff just because others tell me to. I use my invest on people I find suspicious and my Red mates just weren't priority for me. I could like...do it N2, but you guys lynch me and don't give me this possibility. Nice going there.No one is voting you for that.
Your cop claim is suspicious all on its own. And whether you were in on it or not, you were saved from lynch by a mysterious power.
Someone in red is obviously mafia and you not checking them out is so fucking weird, Cypher. So fucking weird.
You think I wanna spend a whole day arguing with him by broadcasts when I could just check him?i respect the possibilities, i just don't agree that cypher was really saved by RNG
in fact, it was gna be 7-6 even with ur passive, but nitty didn't count cooler's unvote on cypher, making it 8-6
then someone on LG's wagon, probably had a +2 vote power, making it 8-8
OR like u said, someone on cypher wagon has the power to fake or manipulate votes, but that would mean its a day ability.
BUT the intent was to still make it a 7-8, so LG gets lynched right away. However cooler's unvote didn't count, making it 8-8 and thats what lead to the RNG
yea thats sweet and all
but why did u invest nessos? why not me or maerala?
Nope, this visitor in particular didn’t block you.
Lord Genome Sedai, of the Red Ajah
[Passive - The Red Ajah] - Members of the Red Ajah may discuss the game with each other outside of the thread. Once per game, the Red Ajah may vote among themselves to Still another player, which will permanently destroy that player's abilities.
[Active - Eavesdropping] - During the night you can use the Power to spy on another player, learning who they target.
Nvm Juan said the pasive is similar to Kvothe
I don't. Yet you keep spreading These phrases while not being able to tell me a single logical possibility I didn't put into Account.
It is possible both of us are scum. Also both us being scum at once was an Option I added to the possibilities of what happened to yesterdays lynch.
Are you able to point out your thoughts or are you only able to throw around phrases.
Yes, I'm a weirdo. I don't do stuff just because others tell me to. I use my invest on people I find suspicious and my Red mates just weren't priority for me. I could like...do it N2, but you guys lynch me and don't give me this possibility. Nice going there.
In my opinion the lynch scenario was a way to close. Saving Cypher by exactly one while votes changed a lot during the end.i respect the possibilities, i just don't agree that cypher was really saved by RNG
in fact, it was gna be 7-6 even with ur passive, but nitty didn't count cooler's unvote on cypher, making it 8-6
then someone on LG's wagon, probably had a +2 vote power, making it 8-8
OR like u said, someone on cypher wagon has the power to fake or manipulate votes, but that would mean its a day ability.
BUT the intent was to still make it a 7-8, so LG gets lynched right away. However cooler's unvote didn't count, making it 8-8 and thats what lead to the RNG
you’re so cute
I just want to kiss ya and spread the same excitement back at ya.
Lol. You voted LG yesterday when Tiger told you to.Yes, I'm a weirdo. I don't do stuff just because others tell me to.
[vote lynch cypher]
DDL, a confirmed Townie, even confirmed what I did and that I wasn't lying after Nitty cleared it up and you guys are ignoring this again.
Ask yourself: Why would I claim I went for Nessos when it would have been more logical for me to check out Reds for some and I would just make myself look suspicious if I went for another player?You are ignoring the possibility that Maerala is town and your theory is baseless because you're so dogged about your theory being the only one worth following. You keep posting saying one of Maerala and Natalija must be mafia.
That in itself is ignoring anything but the sound of your own voice.
And wait. You think it's a possibility that both you and WPK are scum? Huh?
I'm not asking you to list all possibilities available, I'm asking you to talk about the likelihood of possibilities from your perspective. Obviously you wouldn't say it's possible you're both scum from your perspective, that's stupid.
It is far more likely that mafia have a vote swap ability than Maerala or Natalija, specifically, are mafia and have a specific ability to save Cypher.
If I only needed one reason, I'd say it's already far more likely because it doesn't require a specific player's voting history to be true.
And EVEN if you're right, and Maerala has an ability to help save her teammate...that means Cypher is his teammate.
So in all scenarios, you should be supporting a Cypher lynch, but you aren't. And that is weird.
Usopp tried telling you to scan Maerala or Sigis or Cooler.
I agree that you shouldn't just do what he tells you. So you scan Usopp instead. The fact you didn't should be grounds for a lynch by principle. It's not you "not doing what I'm told", it's just actually dumb. And doesn't fit any logical narrative. What would possess you to not want to clear up the question marks in your own mason chat???
You wouldn't if you already knew they were town.
Sure. Power.if all of these ningens out there soft claiming trackers and watchers or that kinda stuff can confirm that their ability uses the power, please let us know
@Natalija @Dragon D Xebec @Sigismund @Juan
In my opinion the lynch scenario was a way to close. Saving Cypher by exactly one while votes changed a lot during the end.
Do you really believe this?
I could understand, if you believe Cypher being scum if the lynch was clearly redirect or the difference in votes we're much higher but that wasn't the case.
Again someone else having +1 or +2 voting Power as passive besides White Ahja would make White Ajah passive pointless. Don't you agree?
Putting these into account Cypher only being scum unser following circumstances
- Cypher has a passive reducing votes on her by 2
- Cypher having a passive, when she should get lynched -> rng between her and 2nd in lynch
- Black Ajahs votes get nullified whe voting for Black Ajahs -> either Cypher and Nessos scum or Cypher, Natalija and Maerala scum
And yeah all these points Looks totally weak and unlikely for me. Thats why I highly doubt Cypher is scum. And believe I am the last protecting Cypher, I am Just doing my homework as Town.
Based on possibilities I explained why someone being able to shift votes is the case with highest chance to be true (and thats by far).
The best explanation why is the reasoning @WolfPrinceKiba mentioned. Black Ajah needs an ability to counter White Ajahs passive and thats what secretly shifting Vote does.
Looking at the Player voting for Cypher can conclude fast the only possibilities for the players who might have shifted their Vote are @Maerala and @Natalija
You can go back and forth. Question every possibility if it makes sense in this Game or not. And then check who could be behind it and why was it done and you will always end in Maerala or Natalija.
But yeah soon @Tiger will Pop Up once again saying "you missed a lot of possibilities" without being able to name a single possibility I didn't take into account.
Ask yourself: Why would I claim I went for Nessos when it would have been more logical for me to check out Reds for some and I would just make myself look suspicious if I went for another player?
There's also the notion that if both Whites are town, and the mafia has a vote swap ability to combat them, then Juan stands out as a very high % chance at being mafia.
And thats what I did the whole time and you keep ignoring it.I'm not asking you to list all possibilities available, I'm asking you to talk about the likelihood of possibilities from your perspective
And now you keep acting like I didn't point out in huge wall of text why.You keep posting saying one of Maerala and Natalija must be mafia.
And again you missed the Point Cypher was saved by RNG. You didn't even think about the possibilities that there 2 Town trains with scum hiding in one of them.And EVEN if you're right, and Maerala has an ability to help save her teammate...that means Cypher is his teammate.
Now the nipticking starts. When one list all potential Options then one also have to the options where themselves end up being scum. Even when knowing they can't be right cause they know their alignment is Town.And wait. You think it's a possibility that both you and WPK are scum? Huh?
nessos kinda soft contradicts himself here
first says cypher is saved by some vote manipulation, and spends some time tinfoiling on it
then somehow town reads cypher and asks her to invest natalija?
not adding up tbh
Ok guys @Dragon D. Luffy said he DID NOT obtain any result when trying to track any magical (power) abilities cypher used.
NOW, the cop related ability known so far DID use magic (power) related. Even if you literally just eavesdrop like LG's tracker role.
IF you use the power to again, LITERALLY just spy and eavesdrop, then an entire cop investigation SHOULD definitely use more than just the power.
BASICALLY: there is NO WAY cypher's cop ability DOES NOT use the power. BUT DDL said she never used any power or magical ability.
RESULT = Cypher is NOT a cop. Stop buying this nonsense ninges.
I mentioned at least 10 possibilities how it came to the result of yesterdays lynch."these three bullet points are the only possibilities", ignoring what we've been saying for three hours.
Why Juan in particular? He did not do anything this game as far as I am aware, which of course does not put him in good light but it seems like you have something in mind?
Not a huge fan of Cypher lynch. My gut says she's scum. But really I don't see the point in lynching a claimed cop day 2. If she is town we lose a whole lot. If she is scum we can lynch later.
My gut says Maerala is scum too but new player may be clouding my view a little.
Guys, wanna CFD Cooler or John Wayne?
You're clearly FORCING a narrative here down our throats, @Nessos.
@Cypher can you describe your cop ability that allows you to investigate Nessos? If that's not breaking the rule so we know whther Cypher role uses power or not.
@Natalija how likely do you think is the possibility of Usopp and Cooler being part of the same scum team? Because last night he apparently wanted to role crush Cooler while now he refuses for some reason after Maerala proposed to do this.
ah yes i can see alot of resistance to cypher wagon now
we r going on the right track I can feel it
is ur vote manipulation ability on cooldown or what, black ajahs??
Why Ish?
I don't want to go into the depths of Usopp's mind games, if being scummates with him taught me one thing, it's to not listen@Natalija how likely do you think is the possibility of Usopp and Cooler being part of the same scum team? Because last night he apparently wanted to role crush Cooler while now he refuses for some reason after Maerala proposed to do this.
Here now and ffs are you guys rude.
To address some points:
I have no idea how I wasn't lynched, I thought I would and even said so at EoD. And I was not "saved" or whatever, it was RNG.
Whoever votes me now should be looked at after my flip since some are dropping votes without even saying why and yet none of you guys are even paying attention to this.
DDL, a confirmed Townie, even confirmed what I did and that I wasn't lying after Nitty cleared it up and you guys are ignoring this again.
So either a whole lot of you are scum or you're not even reading.
Well, you visited Cooler though.
Forcing.You're clearly FORCING a narrative here down our throats, @Nessos.
I am just saying my top suspects based on the result of last DP lynch are Maerala and Natalija.
What do we know.
7 player voted for Cypher
6 player voted for LG
And it ended up with a rng between Cypher and LG.
Thats a fact.
Now we everyone knows that one of the Cypher voters had double voting power(me) and you (@WolfPrinceKiba) should be able to confirm this since you should have the same passive.
Thus we know it was actually
8 votes on Cypher
6 votes on LG
What is possible, but super unlikely
- Cypher have a passive reducing votes on her by exactly 2
- Cypher have a passive, when being lynched always RNG between her and 2nd in lead
- There are multiple player with multiple vote power (making White Ajah trait quite useless)
- Black Ajah with Vote silence ability Vote silenced me, unlikely cause it had to be me(it had to be cause of my +2 VP)
And the only other idea I can up with was Vote got secretly shifted!
Turning 6vs8 into 7vs7
Thus we get following suspects
- One of the player in the Cypher train secretly shifted his vote -> one of @Maerala or @Natalija being Black Ajah with that ability
- @WolfPrinceKiba secretly shifted his vote from @Go D. Usopp to LG (turning it to a 8vs8) (but even if thats the case I would expect scum hiding in Cypher train)
- A Black Ajah can manipulated someones vote (but thats in my opinion to OP and thus again unlikely
@Tiger and thats what I think about Yesterday lynch after reviewing the result.
I agree the possibility of Blacks Vote being nullified in Blacks is possible, but in my opinion super weak cause it can't be effectly used for Vote manipulation.
Also through lying theme of Black Ajah, I think secretly shifting votes fits perfectly.
And as you said Black Ajah needs a Power to cancel out White Ajah passive also Points towards Vote shifting ability.
But even if take the Black Ajah Vote nullfied on Black Ajah as a potential case it Points again towards Natalija and Maerala don't you agree?
Thus we have
- Option 1: One of the Black Ajahs secretly shifted his vote from Cypher to LG -> one of Maerala or Natalija being that Vote shifter
- Option 2: WPK is not only double voter, but can also secretly shift his Vote -> makes only sense to hide a Black Ajah in the Cypher wagon -> WPK and at least one of Maerala, Natalija and me being scumbuddies
- Option 3: Black Ajahs vote nullified when voting for Black Ajah -> Cypher, Maerala and Natalija being scumbuddies or Cypher and Nessos being scumbuddies
Did I miss a reasonable possibility?
And about Option 3, why risking Cypher getting lynched one Black Ajah could habe Just abstained or Vote someone else in Day 1?
For the last question I would like to hear a logical answer from @WolfPrinceKiba and @Tiger since they are the once advertise this option. Giving their best to shift the votes away from Maerala.
I skimmed it, and it's nonsense so I don't care for it.And tell me the flaws of my eloberation. Which possibilities I left out?
I’d hold off. Apparently there’s something that happened with me and cooler for nataly to ask if I RBed him when I don’t contain that type of ig “role abilities” on my action list.Guys, wanna CFD Cooler or John Wayne?
My, because I think the Cypher lynch is utte BS.Whose resistance, specifically?
Guys
What if it's just a townie who had double vote or whatever
It was literally fucking RNG. I was NOT SAVED FFS!!!
My, because I think the Cypher lynch is utte BS.
If Cypher would be scum with Vote manipulation it shouldn't have ended with RNG. Thus why I think both Cypher and LG wagon should have been Town Wagons.
I was sure that’s why you kept pestering meWell, you visited Cooler though.
They’d come out to clear confusion wouldn’t they?Guys
What if it's just a townie who had double vote or whatever
DDL can't compute them so he thinks no one else should try. Lol
They’d come out to clear confusion wouldn’t they?
I wasn't exactly hiding it.I was sure that’s why you kept pestering me
What made you come play with a old friend/foe Nat?
With as much hinting and damn near blatant role revealing going on I’d think If it was town they would come clear it up. Unless it’s a unknown passive or sum sht??
[Vote Lynch Tiger]
Go for him after my flip. He's purposely misleading Town because you can't be that...ugh.
And again, no damn resistance to my lynch at all.
Predicting what happened with actions in a role madness game is a massive crapshoot and over the years as a host I've notice players fail at it almost every time.
Another thing I've learned over the years is that you should never count on other players to act rationally.
And again, no damn resistance to my lynch at all.
@Tiger why are you being such a jerkass? This is the 2nd or 3rd time you turn an argument about the game into a personal attack on me.
If you have a problem with me outside of the realm of the game please clarify it now. Or cut with this bullshit.
Simply paid attention to another old friend.I wasn't exactly hiding it.
I'm not sure what you did to him if it wasn't roleblock then, dear old friend![]()
You're literally pushing for a Cop lynch. How about you make a case for an actual scum if you are so Town?Do you honestly believe I'm mafia, or would you like to make a case for someone else being mafia to vote for?