Game The Wheel of Time: Trouble in Tar Valon (mafia wins!)

[Nessos]

I think Nessos has Cypher on ignore?

Yes I still have her on ignore and it won't Change.

So everyone is a type of tracker, great

Not everyone though. Definitely not Cypher and another one among the people who voted LG.

We know Whit Ajah has the +1 Vote Power passive. You really think there is a Major role in the game while there is White Ajah?

Thats why I think there have to be an other reason for 8 vs 6 turning into RNG then having multiple Majors.

(@Go D. Usopp you should read this too)

 

[Melodie]

ngl not sure how my meme vote on LG when the game started turned into a wagon

 

[Melodie]

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

their posts are mechanical or flavor and i dont like the rest, also law makes a compelling case with the kvothe comparison

 

[Melodie]

usopp and cypher interactions gives me vibes that they're not the same alignment

maerala miight require majority lynch

also here is information no one could possibly have known except myself; kvothe was attacked last night.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

usopp and cypher interactions gives me vibes that they're not the same alignment

maerala miight require majority lynch

also here is information no one could possibly have known except myself; kvothe was attacked last night.

Sis you visit Kvothe?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

It's alarming that your presence was erased from my short-term memory.

You could always search my post history to refresh your memory. I'm not out here making fluff posts.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Sis you visit Kvothe?

Edit:
Did you visit Kvothe?

 

[Tiger]

You could always search my post history to refresh your memory. I'm not out here making fluff posts.

What do you think of Melodie's latest two posts?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

What do you think of Melodie's latest two posts?

Don't like that they voted Maerala while also saying Usopp's and Cypher's interactions don't feel like they're same alignment. Vote should be on Cypher or Usopp here if they think that their interactions are town/mafia.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Playing too much on MU has me itching to use wolf/villager terminology that no one here will understand.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Sis you visit Kvothe?

Is your sarcasm detector broken? If not, we may have a case of role fishing.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Is your sarcasm detector broken? If not, we may have a case of role fishing.

I don't know that's sarcasm until few players rated that post funny

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Is your sarcasm detector broken? If not, we may have a case of role fishing.

How is that role fishing? Knowing target of certain player doesn't tell me what that player role is.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Is your sarcasm detector broken? If not, we may have a case of role fishing.

How is that role fishing? Knowing target of certain player doesn't tell me what that player role is.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Is your sarcasm detector broken? If not, we may have a case of role fishing.

How is that role fishing? Knowing target of certain player doesn't tell me what that player role is.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

How is that role fishing? Knowing target of certain player doesn't tell me what that player role is.

I almost want to take this as a dumb tell that you don't know what a Watcher role is.

 

[Tiger]

Don't like that they voted Maerala while also saying Usopp's and Cypher's interactions don't feel like they're same alignment. Vote should be on Cypher or Usopp here if they think that their interactions are town/mafia.

Happy to hear you say that.

 

[Tiger]

Also you gotta see I'm Town from how fast the votes pick up and from the lack of resistance anyway.

No, see, that's awful reasoning. You were literally saved by a mysterious use of the Power. And now when Maerala is brought up as a candidate to take your place as the top suspect, that is what is receiving no pushback.

And you have some actual explaining to do, but are conveniently too busy in a 24 hour period to participate. You have others talking for you, instead.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Cypher claimed cop. LG who is Red Ajah like Cypher claimed visiting DDL and got yes result so he might be cop? Two cops on Red Ajah is too much unless LG is not Cop role.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Wait that's Sigismund claiming visiting DDL. LG was lynched yesterday.

 

[Tiger]

Hmm it's a;ready confusing enough with Nessos has two vote power which led Cypher had eight votes and LG had six votes and still ended with rng. Maybe there are some players with vote power two and they might be Ajah leader. Ajah Leaders have vote power two.

This was skated over earlier, but I need you to clarify why you thought Ajah LEADERS had 2 voting power.

I need to reread Cypher's entire post log, and try and figure out what exactly that all was. RN she is suspect with the vote manipulation, but if there lies a better explanation as for how that all happened, then im down to hear it.

You ever end up doing that, btw?

Too bad it isn't since you said you have two vote power making Cypher had eight votes and LG had six votes which led me to think there might be two voters of LG with two vote power that led to eight vs eight aka rng.

I'm still struggling with your wording about Ajah leaders. Who's your Ajah leader?

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

This was skated over earlier, but I need you to clarify why you thought Ajah LEADERS had 2 voting power.



You ever end up doing that, btw?



I'm still struggling with your wording about Ajah leaders. Who's your Ajah leader?

Flavour. Maybe leader has 2 voting power fitting their position then Nessos said only White Ajah has 2 voting power so WPK has it too but WPK Didn't vote Cypher or LG according to Nessos and it was still rng even though Cypher had 7 votes then to 8 due to Nessos 2 voting power while LG had 6 voting power

 

[Sigismund]

Cypher claimed cop. LG who is Red Ajah like Cypher claimed visiting DDL and got yes result so he might be cop? Two cops on Red Ajah is too much unless LG is not Cop role.

Rip ignore

 

[Tiger]

Yeah ok.

If I were making the game, I'd probably have one of the 2VP whites actually mafia with the ability to switch their vote secretly. But that's just too wild, right?

@Juan what are your reads? At least two good and two bad would be lovely.

 

[Tiger]

LG did not visit DDL last night.

If he is claiming that, that is a lie

Yo. We lynched LG day 1.

Confusion is infectious.

 

[Cooler]

@Cooler did anything happen to you last night?

I was role blocked last night.

 

[Sigismund]

Cypher claimed cop. LG who is Red Ajah like Cypher claimed visiting DDL and got yes result so he might be cop? Two cops on Red Ajah is too much unless LG is not Cop role.

Rip ignore

I'd say LG's role would still fit as an invest role, rip formats

 

[Sigismund]

Yo. We lynched LG day 1.

Confusion is infectious.

Yeah I realised that immediately after I posted

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

So 2 roleblockers? The other RB Tiger since Juad said Tiger got attacked and the other RB Cooler

 

[Tiger]

So 2 roleblockers? The other RB Tiger since Juad said Tiger got attacked and the other RB Cooler

Probably more than 2 to be honest. We don't have a vig.

 

[Nessos]

This was skated over earlier, but I need you to clarify why you thought Ajah LEADERS had 2 voting power

Cause he slipped hard. Thinking there are 2VP among all Ajahs cause the Black Ajah aka @WolfPrinceKiba also have +1 VP.

He just made a wrong conclusion Outing himself and his GF.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Probably more than 2 to be honest. We don't have a vig.

There should be mafia roleblocker the one who RB Tiger or Cooler.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Cause he slipped hard. Thinking there are 2VP among all Ajahs cause the Black Ajah aka @WolfPrinceKiba also have +1 VP.

He just made a wrong conclusion Outing himself and his GF.

Because LG had 6 votes and Cypher had 8 and still ended with rng so LG voters might have 2 vote power. Don't know how is that a slip

 

[Nessos]

Because LG had 6 votes and Cypher had 8 and still ended with rng so LG voters might have 2 vote power. Don't know how is that a slip

Think it is a general passive for Ajah "Leaders". The only one Inwould considere as leader is Black Ajah GF. And Black Ajah GF should only have +1 Vote Power when he was White Ajah.


I explained multiple times it is unlikely to have a roles with increased Vote power while White Ajah trait is to have increased Vote power. Don't you agree?

 

[Tiger]

Cause he slipped hard. Thinking there are 2VP among all Ajahs cause the Black Ajah aka @WolfPrinceKiba also have +1 VP.

He just made a wrong conclusion Outing himself and his GF.

I thought that at first too. But I'm thinking it's more a language thing.

There should be mafia roleblocker the one who RB Tiger or Cooler.

When I found out I had been blocked, I assumed only a mafia role-blocker would target me. No townie would, surely.

Then the innocent child, from my own Ajah, said I was suspicious. So I'm not so sure any more.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Think it is a general passive for Ajah "Leaders". The only one Inwould considere as leader is Black Ajah GF. And Black Ajah GF should only have +1 Vote Power when he was White Ajah.


I explained multiple times it is unlikely to have a roles with increased Vote power while White Ajah trait is to have increased Vote power. Don't you agree?

In the explanation of each Ajah by Nitty in the sign up of this game, there is an explanation about Red Ajah leader is called, Green Ajah leader is called until White Ajah so I thought there might be leader for each Ajah

 

[Tiger]

Thinking about it logically, which lynch would provide more info?

Maerala or Cypher?

Usopp has been clamoring for Cypher being mafia. Claiming cop and being saved from lynch by unknown Power?

Scanning Nessos innocent instead of other reds or blues or his team's suggestions.

But...claimed cop.

The Maerala wagon was easy, boring, and gave nothing. The main issue is Maerala himself not caring enough to properly address it.

 

[Tiger]

Then Maerala bluffs about a lynch on him not working. Then immediately calls the bluff and retracts. Maybe forgot about the "no lying" rule?

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Only mafia can lie. The fact he lied and still in the game means he might be mafia. Or Maybe that's sarcasm

 

[Nessos]

In the explanation of each Ajah by Nitty in the sign up of this game, there is an explanation about Red Ajah leader is called, Green Ajah leader is called until White Ajah so I thought there might be leader for each Ajah

Now when you know that it is super unlikely to have someone with raised Voting Power on LG train.

What kind of conclusions you get for 6 vs 8 votes turns into RNG?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Then Maerala bluffs about a lynch on him not working. Then immediately calls the bluff and retracts. Maybe forgot about the "no lying" rule?

Wonder if they have awareness enough to think that town would catch them slipping by telling a lie and not dying from it.

Only mafia can lie. The fact he lied and still in the game means he might be mafia. Or Maybe that's sarcasm

What they said was loose enough to not qualify as a lie, as they didn't claim to be lynch immune, just that any attempt to lynch them would fail which can be interpreted to also mean that the lynch wouldn't have enough support to go through.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Asking

Now when you know that it is super unlikely to have someone with raised Voting Power on LG train.

What kind of conclusions you get for 6 vs 8 votes turns into RNG?

Player who votes someone from their own Ajah vote won't be counted.

Cypher is Red Ajah. From Red Ajah only Maerala and LG voted Cypher and their vote won't be counted so 2 votes were not counted making it from 8 vs 6 to 6 to 6. My theory

 

[Tiger]

But for Maerala's weird posts today, it was possibly vague enough he got away with it, but panicked and made the post after saying it was BS.

@Nessos

I have two tinfoils about white. 1st is a White having the ability to secretly change their vote without it being shown. The 2nd is a White's vote not counting if placed on a fellow black sister that claimed cop.

Let me ask you how you feel about a Cypher lynch today?

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

Whether I keep it there or not depends on what they say when they are done with studying or whatever. But I will have to see it in the morning.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Asking

Player who votes someone from their own Ajah vote won't be counted.

Cypher is Red Ajah. From Red Ajah only Maerala and LG voted Cypher and their vote won't be counted so 2 votes were not counted making it from 8 vs 6 to 6 to 6. My theory

Wait just ignore this post. Cypher also voted LG and the vote should be 5 by my logic but still ended in rng

 

[Nessos]

Let me ask you how you feel about a Cypher lynch today?

For me cop is an easy fakeclaim and many seems to have doubt her claim cause noone wanted to switch off.

But the D2 Cypher train is BS. Easy made up for scum

But as I mentioned with 6vs8 turning into RNG let me think Black Ajah is hiding in Cypher train from Day 1.
-> My top suspects for who manipulated the votes are @Natalija and @Maerala cause anyone else of Cypher train wouldn't have make sense switching Vote or wouldn't have lead to the same outcome.

I have two tinfoils about white. 1st is a White having the ability to secretly change their vote without it being shown. The 2nd is a White's vote not counting if placed on a fellow black sister that claimed cop

This post seems like you expect both Whites to be Blacks. Now you are voting Flower.

You agreed with what WKP said about Melodie and now you are basically doing the same as Melodie.

 

[Nessos]

Wait just ignore this post. Cypher also voted LG and the vote should be 5 by my logic but still ended in rng

How you think about one of the Black Ajah having the ability to fake is vote.

Like voting for Cypher in public, but voting for LG in role PM. This would habe turned 6 vs 8 into 7 vs 7. (Easy math)

Then starting the DP with either pushing Cypher or the once voting LG while bathing their hands in innocence.

And when we look at the ones voting Cypher one can conclude fast it makes only sense for Maerala and Natalija.

Maerala is pushing Flower
Natalija said we should look at LG voters

 

[Lord Melkor]

And from his perspective, if he IS a black sister, then my deductive logic looks damning and soundproof. Would explain why he would sub out this game and not a concurrent game where he is also inactive as per Usopp.

You think he subbed solely because you accused him? That is bold.

Normally I would say that inactives should be left for vigs to deal with, however I understand from flavor and hints that town has no vigs in this game?

But for Maerala's weird posts today, it was possibly vague enough he got away with it, but panicked and made the post after saying it was BS.

@Nessos

I have two tinfoils about white. 1st is a White having the ability to secretly change their vote without it being shown. The 2nd is a White's vote not counting if placed on a fellow black sister that claimed cop.

Let me ask you how you feel about a Cypher lynch today?

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

Whether I keep it there or not depends on what they say when they are done with studying or whatever. But I will have to see it in the morning.

I read your tone as town, but this is a lot tinfoling. Are you speculating about every White or White being Black here? Or do you think both Whites are Black?

Still not a fan of Melodie, she looks like coasting to me. Similar feeling about Natalija.

So you switch from Maerala to Cypher because you think Cypher's lynch gives more info?

 

[Nessos]

I keep my Vote at Maerala especially with his posts that says "you can't lynch me, but I am not lynch immune".

And I recommend that @Cypher should check Natalija in case Maerala flips Town.

 

[Nessos]

Right now I expect scumteam to be
WPK + DDX + Maerala + (one of Tiger amd Sigismund)

 

[Lord Melkor]

Right now I expect scumteam to be
WPK + DDX + Maerala + (one of Tiger amd Sigismund)

Hm, so you think Tiger is power-wolfing?

DDX is Dragon D. Xebec? I read him town mainly because him being very confused about the setup beginning of day one, which seemed genuine to me.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

How you think about one of the Black Ajah having the ability to fake is vote.

Like voting for Cypher in public, but voting for LG in role PM. This would habe turned 6 vs 8 into 7 vs 7. (Easy math)

Then starting the DP with either pushing Cypher or the once voting LG while bathing their hands in innocence.

And when we look at the ones voting Cypher one can conclude fast it makes only sense for Maerala and Natalija.

Maerala is pushing Flower
Natalija said we should look at LG voters

Maybe you are scum because only you know this theory and I have never seen this in any mafia game and you can't read me if you think I'm scum.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

I keep my Vote at Maerala especially with his posts that says "you can't lynch me, but I am not lynch immune".

And I recommend that @Cypher should check Natalija in case Maerala flips Town.

If Maerala is lynched and flips town, would you not be thinking that Cypher's chances of being scum increase heavily? At that point you should be taking any result they have with a massive grain of salt, and directing the claimed cop isn't a good look in a game where the scum is likely packed with manipulation abilities due to their low numbers/the high number of invests there seems to be.

 

[Melodie]

But for Maerala's weird posts today, it was possibly vague enough he got away with it, but panicked and made the post after saying it was BS.

@Nessos

I have two tinfoils about white. 1st is a White having the ability to secretly change their vote without it being shown. The 2nd is a White's vote not counting if placed on a fellow black sister that claimed cop.

Let me ask you how you feel about a Cypher lynch today?

[Vote Lynch Cypher]

Whether I keep it there or not depends on what they say when they are done with studying or whatever. But I will have to see it in the morning.

Uhmmm. Mafia are the only ones allowed to lie right? Wouldn't that just confirm maerala as mafia if so considering they bluffed...? Or am I misunderstanding something here

 

[Nessos]

If Maerala is lynched and flips town, would you not be thinking that Cypher's chances of being scum increase heavily? At that point you should be taking any result they have with a massive grain of salt, and directing the claimed cop isn't a good look in a game where the scum is likely packed with manipulation abilities due to their low numbers/the high number of invests there seems to be.

I am just saying my top suspects based on the result of last DP lynch are Maerala and Natalija.


What do we know.
7 player voted for Cypher
6 player voted for LG

And it ended up with a rng between Cypher and LG.

Thats a fact.


Now we everyone knows that one of the Cypher voters had double voting power(me) and you (@WolfPrinceKiba) should be able to confirm this since you should have the same passive.

Thus we know it was actually
8 votes on Cypher
6 votes on LG

What is possible, but super unlikely

• Cypher have a passive reducing votes on her by exactly 2
• Cypher have a passive, when being lynched always RNG between her and 2nd in lead
• There are multiple player with multiple vote power (making White Ajah trait quite useless)
• Black Ajah with Vote silence ability Vote silenced me, unlikely cause it had to be me(it had to be cause of my +2 VP)

And the only other idea I can up with was Vote got secretly shifted!
Turning 6vs8 into 7vs7

Thus we get following suspects

• One of the player in the Cypher train secretly shifted his vote -> one of @Maerala or @Natalija being Black Ajah with that ability
• @WolfPrinceKiba secretly shifted his vote from @Go D. Usopp to LG (turning it to a 8vs8) (but even if thats the case I would expect scum hiding in Cypher train)
• A Black Ajah can manipulated someones vote (but thats in my opinion to OP and thus again unlikely

@Tiger and thats what I think about Yesterday lynch after reviewing the result.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Someone shifted vote from Cypher to LG is the most likely explanation making Cypher from 8 votes to 7 amd LG from 6 to 7 which led to 7 vs 7 rng

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

@Nessos : If you are also town, then that would give town two double voters. There's no way scum wouldn't be given a means of countering that with their own double voter/silencer/switcher/stealer, possibly more than one of those options.

 

[Nessos]

@Nessos : If you are also town, then that would give town two double voters. There's no way scum wouldn't be given a means of countering that with their own double voter/silencer/switcher/stealer, possibly more than one of those options.

Secretly shifting Vote as powerful as +1 Vote power in case of Voting power (more powerful in general cause it is hidden).

Don't you agree.

 

[Nessos]

Secretly shifting Vote as powerful as +1 Vote power in case of Voting power (more powerful in general cause it is hidden).

Don't you agree.

To explain what I mean.

Imagine the following
Player X have 3 votes
Player Y have 3 vote

Now a Player with double Vote Power votes for Player X results in

Player X have 5 votes
Player Y have 3 votes

Now one of the voters of player X secretly shifts his Vote causing

Player X have 4 votes
Player Y have 4 votes


This way a secretly shifted directly cancels out the White Ajah passive.

@WolfPrinceKiba this is exactly what you want to have in the game and as you can see possible without duplicating White Ajah passive.

 

[Flower]

No, see, that's awful reasoning. You were literally saved by a mysterious use of the Power. And now when Maerala is brought up as a candidate to take your place as the top suspect, that is what is receiving no pushback.

And you have some actual explaining to do, but are conveniently too busy in a 24 hour period to participate. You have others talking for you, instead.

Buddy, I targetted Nessos because he voted me up for a whatever reason and I'm wary of him in the first place and would like to avoid unnecessary arguments with him. You can literally already guess this If you know me (I'm Flower btw). And people who know my play also know I'm active regardless of alignment, so me being inactive is because I'm really friggin' busy.

Anyway, off to the exam now. Will come back later this DP.

 

[Nessos]

Someone shifted vote from Cypher to LG is the most likely explanation making Cypher from 8 votes to 7 amd LG from 6 to 7 which led to 7 vs 7 rng

Then you must also agree Maerala and Natalija doesn't look good based on Yesterday lynch.

Which of the 2 you find scummier and why?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

I'm not saying you're wrong Nessos, just that there are lots of possibilities, one which you haven't listed being that a black ajah/all black ajahs being immune to each others votes. Now the latter there is definitely too OP to be a constant thing, but could be a one time thing for them similar to the one time ability that the red ajah have according to Usopp.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Then you must also agree Maerala and Natalija doesn't look good based on Yesterday lynch.

Which of the 2 you find scummier and why?

I have different opinion. If someone's vote was shifted from Cypher to LG, then that makes whiever shifted the vote wnted to save Cypher. That makes Cypher scummy and makes LG voters scummy too. Maerala and Natalija voted Cypher IIRC.

 

[Cooler]

Can someone catch me up?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Can someone catch me up?

Are your scummates not online?

 

[Nessos]

I'm not saying you're wrong Nessos, just that there are lots of possibilities, one which you haven't listed being that a black ajah/all black ajahs being immune to each others votes. Now the latter there is definitely too OP to be a constant thing

I agree the possibility of Blacks Vote being nullified in Blacks is possible, but in my opinion super weak cause it can't be effectly used for Vote manipulation.


Also through lying theme of Black Ajah, I think secretly shifting votes fits perfectly.
And as you said Black Ajah needs a Power to cancel out White Ajah passive also Points towards Vote shifting ability.


But even if take the Black Ajah Vote nullfied on Black Ajah as a potential case it Points again towards Natalija and Maerala don't you agree?
Thus we have

• Option 1: One of the Black Ajahs secretly shifted his vote from Cypher to LG -> one of Maerala or Natalija being that Vote shifter
• Option 2: WPK is not only double voter, but can also secretly shift his Vote -> makes only sense to hide a Black Ajah in the Cypher wagon -> WPK and at least one of Maerala, Natalija and me being scumbuddies
• Option 3: Black Ajahs vote nullified when voting for Black Ajah -> Cypher, Maerala and Natalija being scumbuddies or Cypher and Nessos being scumbuddies

Did I miss a reasonable possibility?

And about Option 3, why risking Cypher getting lynched one Black Ajah could habe Just abstained or Vote someone else in Day 1?
For the last question I would like to hear a logical answer from @WolfPrinceKiba and @Tiger since they are the once advertise this option. Giving their best to shift the votes away from Maerala.

 

[Cooler]

Are your scummates not online?

I don't have any scummates.

Don't help then lol.

 

[Nessos]

I have different opinion. If someone's vote was shifted from Cypher to LG, then that makes whiever shifted the vote wnted to save Cypher. That makes Cypher scummy and makes LG voters scummy too. Maerala and Natalija voted Cypher IIRC.

But Maerala and Natalija are the only ones who could be this hidden "voteshifter".

 

[Nessos]

Based on the Day 1 lynch the only logical conclusion we can make is to lynch one of @Maerala and @Natalija.

I would Like to hear everyones opinion which of these 2 they find scummier. To decide who to lynch.

I go for Maerala, because of her posts that basically states "You can't lynch, but I am not lynch immune".

 

[Lord Melkor]

Can someone catch me up?

Most people seem to follow theory that there is Mafia in Red Ajah, since they find it unlikely that there are four persons having their own chat all being town.

After LG dead, the remaining Red are Usopp, Cypher and Maerala. There are currently wagons between Maerala and Cypher:

1. Case against Cypher is that there was some vote fuckery last day, as she seemed to have more votes than LG but he was lynched, also people do not like her choice of invest tonight (Nessos);

2. Case against Maerala is cop claim of Cypher, her being not great day one (accused of role fishing) and today making joke / lie that she is immune to being lynched, which she later rebuked from.

 

[Nessos]

Can someone catch me up?

Read this 2 posts and you will realize we should lynch either Maerala or Natalija this Phase.

I am just saying my top suspects based on the result of last DP lynch are Maerala and Natalija.


What do we know.
7 player voted for Cypher
6 player voted for LG

And it ended up with a rng between Cypher and LG.

Thats a fact.


Now we everyone knows that one of the Cypher voters had double voting power(me) and you (@WolfPrinceKiba) should be able to confirm this since you should have the same passive.

Thus we know it was actually
8 votes on Cypher
6 votes on LG

What is possible, but super unlikely

• Cypher have a passive reducing votes on her by exactly 2
• Cypher have a passive, when being lynched always RNG between her and 2nd in lead
• There are multiple player with multiple vote power (making White Ajah trait quite useless)
• Black Ajah with Vote silence ability Vote silenced me, unlikely cause it had to be me(it had to be cause of my +2 VP)

And the only other idea I can up with was Vote got secretly shifted!
Turning 6vs8 into 7vs7

Thus we get following suspects

• One of the player in the Cypher train secretly shifted his vote -> one of @Maerala or @Natalija being Black Ajah with that ability
• @WolfPrinceKiba secretly shifted his vote from @Go D. Usopp to LG (turning it to a 8vs8) (but even if thats the case I would expect scum hiding in Cypher train)
• A Black Ajah can manipulated someones vote (but thats in my opinion to OP and thus again unlikely

@Tiger and thats what I think about Yesterday lynch after reviewing the result.

I agree the possibility of Blacks Vote being nullified in Blacks is possible, but in my opinion super weak cause it can't be effectly used for Vote manipulation.


Also through lying theme of Black Ajah, I think secretly shifting votes fits perfectly.
And as you said Black Ajah needs a Power to cancel out White Ajah passive also Points towards Vote shifting ability.


But even if take the Black Ajah Vote nullfied on Black Ajah as a potential case it Points again towards Natalija and Maerala don't you agree?
Thus we have

• Option 1: One of the Black Ajahs secretly shifted his vote from Cypher to LG -> one of Maerala or Natalija being that Vote shifter
• Option 2: WPK is not only double voter, but can also secretly shift his Vote -> makes only sense to hide a Black Ajah in the Cypher wagon -> WPK and at least one of Maerala, Natalija and me being scumbuddies
• Option 3: Black Ajahs vote nullified when voting for Black Ajah -> Cypher, Maerala and Natalija being scumbuddies or Cypher and Nessos being scumbuddies

Did I miss a reasonable possibility?

And about Option 3, why risking Cypher getting lynched one Black Ajah could habe Just abstained or Vote someone else in Day 1?
For the last question I would like to hear a logical answer from @WolfPrinceKiba and @Tiger since they are the once advertise this option. Giving their best to shift the votes away from Maerala.

 

[Cooler]

Most people seem to follow theory that there is Mafia in Red Ajah, since they find it unlikely that there are four persons having their own chat all being town.

After LG dead, the remaining Red are Usopp, Cypher and Maerala. There are currently wagons between Maerala and Cypher:

1. Case against Cypher is that there was some vote fuckery last day, as she seemed to have more votes than LG but he was lynched, also people do not like her choice of invest tonight (Nessos);

2. Case against Maerala is cop claim of Cypher, her being not great day one (accused of role fishing) and today making joke / lie that she is immune to being lynched, which she later rebuked from.

I can see Cypher investing Nessos tbh considering their history. Still bit of a weird choice. I'd probably pick Maerala between the two though as Cypher's cop claim felt pretty genuine to me yesterday.

I guess there's no hard evidence that there has to be scum in Red Ajah though. We lynch one of Cypher or Maerala and they flip town, do we lynch the other next phase until they're all dead? lol

 

[Lord Melkor]

I can see Cypher investing Nessos tbh considering their history. Still bit of a weird choice. I'd probably pick Maerala between the two though as Cypher's cop claim felt pretty genuine to me yesterday.

I guess there's no hard evidence that there has to be scum in Red Ajah though. We lynch one of Cypher or Maerala and they flip town, do we lynch the other next phase until they're all dead? lol

Yes, there is not hard evidence, so we should also look at people from outside the group.

 

[Cooler]

Read this 2 posts and you will realize we should lynch either Maerala or Natalija this Phase.

I wanted to lynch Natalija yesterday so I'm down with that tbh.

 

[Nessos]

I wanted to lynch Natalija yesterday so I'm down with that tbh.

How do you think about these 2 posts of Maerala?

It wasn't me but there is nothing you can do about it even if you suspect me. If you try to lynch me, you will fail.

Okay that previous post is unfounded. I am not immune to lynch votes.

 

[Cooler]

How do you think about these 2 posts of Maerala?

Yeah not great. Looks worse than Natalija.

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

 

[Natalija]

I was role blocked last night.

Woah Cooler, you’re lying.

Why didn’t you say so off the bat?

 

[Ishmael]

@Melodie @Sigismund @Ishmael

How do you three think LG was lynched despite Cypher being ahead in votes 7-6?

Cypher was sure he was being lynched.

Just woke up give me a min. I’m about to read from where I last left off to gather more knowledge for myself.

 

[Natalija]

Yes I still have her on ignore and it won't Change.



We know Whit Ajah has the +1 Vote Power passive. You really think there is a Major role in the game while there is White Ajah?

Thats why I think there have to be an other reason for 8 vs 6 turning into RNG then having multiple Majors.

(@Go D. Usopp you should read this too)

By that I meant there are roles which aren’t trackers.

 

[Ishmael]

@Ishmael

both rappers sux man, my ears breh

I don’t know
What I expected asking people on this forum such a thing but yeah I’m reading back now

 

[Maerala]

Tbh I'm lowkey checked out of this game, my boyfriend had his first round of chemo yesterday and more today.

Out of the benevolence of my heart I'll tell you that I am not scum and the earlier confusion in my posts was me misunderstanding a defensive ability I have and immediately correcting myself.

I'm strongly suspicious of my fellow Reds but moreso Cypher than Usopp. And like maybe I shouldn't tell you this so you can lynch me and I can peace out but do with that what you will.