Game The Wheel of Time: Trouble in Tar Valon (mafia wins!)

[Sigismund]

also


@Dragon D. Luffy are u roleblocked or anything?

unless sigis is hinting doc?

i dont see a reason why he would target the IC other than with a protection, or a kill obv

just because you, dont see one doesnt mean there isnt one.

 

[Ekkologix]

just because you, dont see one doesnt mean there isnt one.

well considering this game is low role madness, there isn't much u can do as a town to the confirmed town IC

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Not aware of anything specific.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually I received a message from someone, but it seemed like it was being broadcasted to multiple people not just me. Was it that?

 

[Ekkologix]

it could just be that ur actions were redirected or bussed with sm1

meaning who u checked wasent cypher, and instead was sm1 else

 

[Ekkologix]

Actually I received a message from someone, but it seemed like it was being broadcasted to multiple people not just me. Was it that?

nah i didn't, probably has something to do with green ajah

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh no never mind I derped.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Shouldnt play mafia while watching online classes lol.

Ok I know what Sigis did and he's probably town unless there's a crazy gambit involved.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

Sigis said he got answer Yes. Maybe something to do with role that can check something?

 

[Magic]

Actually I received a message from someone, but it seemed like it was being broadcasted to multiple people not just me. Was it that?

What was the message?

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Alright now I bothered to read Sigis's post.

Yes I got a messge from someone, and no it wasn't broadcasted to everyone. It was just to me. I mistook that because they used the IC flavor and I'm not paying much attention to flavor.

So I have no idea what Sigis did cuz the message wasn't from him.

Sorry for the derps.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What was the message?

Someone's opinions on what we should do today.

 

[Magic]

Someone's opinions on what we should do today.

Figures.

Uhhhh I'm do some adult responsibility stuff and come back to this soon.

 

[Sigismund]

Shouldnt play mafia while watching online classes lol.

Ok I know what Sigis did and he's probably town unless there's a crazy gambit involved.

That wasn't me

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why does it seem there are a million info roles in this game

 

[Ekkologix]

there is no reason for sigis to cop a confirmed town

unless its a scum rolecop and he wanna know what exactly can the IC do

 

[Ekkologix]

anyway ur the town leader DDL senpai

what do we do now

enlighten us @Dragon D. Luffy

 

[Ekkologix]

also @Dragon D Xebec im assuming u agree that sigis targeted DDL or??

kinda weird we have 2 trackers tho tbh

 

[Tiger]

From experience. Vote manipulation is usually mafia ability. Although there is Noble role who is town that has similar ability.

Vote power increases are NAI. Erasing votes is usually mafia though.

Seems like @Pool Party Nitty missed that you changed your Vote to Natalija.
(I copied/pasted final Vote Count.)

Then we can expect at least one of @Lord Genome @Natalija and @Maerala is scum.

Prefer to lynch Maerala than Natalija.

Even so I don't like Witch hunting based on Ajah since all Ajah powers seems to be useful (besides poor green).

I agree it makes sense to have have scum among Red Ajah.

[Vote lynch Maerala]

Not sure why you keep dissing my Ajah. Just because we don't have passives doesn't mean we don't have useful abilities. Like...what? We're the *Battle* Ajah. I'm guessing we all have 2 actives instead. Don't be obtuse intentionally.

So catching up I got the feeling Tiger was trying really hard to limit the wagon to Cypher and LG. He kept saying over and over he wanted those two to be the wagons. Anyone else felt that or was it just me?

Obviously. It's beyond stupid to let people vote in a scattered fashion without at least getting an explanation why they shouldn't.

Just because you're innocent child doesn't mean you forget how to play mafia, DDL.

OH

yes actually

tiger got attacked

do u know the type of attack?

@Tiger are u role blocked or anything?

I was blocked. Filthy casual whoever did it. Made me vulnerable.

 

[Tiger]

I'm guessing Sig watched DDL in case of a kill.

And for now

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

 

[Tiger]

Leave it to @WolfPrinceKiba to have 2 voting power and be a complete flake D1.

 

[Dragon D Xebec]

also @Dragon D Xebec im assuming u agree that sigis targeted DDL or??

kinda weird we have 2 trackers tho tbh

Yeah I agree. i don't think he is lying if he's mafia cop trying to check DDL. Too risky imo.

 

[Tiger]

@Cypher can you justify your scan choice?

 

[Ekkologix]

k i think juan confirms the same blue passive kvothe had, and hes likely town aswell. unless he just gave some tmi on tiger getting targeted

i mean also unless we r getting turbo mega big brained by scum and Juan + tiger made sure to kill kvothe so we dont get info from her, BUT at the same time they gave a bit of tmi regarding tiger getting blocked and now tiger acts and confirms it.

 

[Ekkologix]

i mean juan knows whats the blue passive. if hes scum, hed sure wanna kill kvothe first cuz she shares same passive.

that was he can control and fake out these kinda info from his passive

 

[Ekkologix]

that way*

 

[Tiger]

I iso'd Kvothe, and the only real connection is Maerala. Kvothe vouched for Maerala saying they didn't think Maerala was mafia.

If Maerala is like me, and is a black sister, that kind of buddying and vouching could be why Kvothe was killed first.

Why not DDL? Why not other high profile hunters?

 

[Ekkologix]

DDL will likely be protected, if anything scum might wanna watch actions coming to DDL so they know who protects them

so that doesnt rly clear sigis yet. I don't doubt scum having a watcher. Afterall black ajah are spies right?

 

[Ekkologix]

maerala completely disappeard from red convo and the thread lol

and cypher hasent posted anything there after i suggested using our rolecrush on cooler

idk what to make of that, both of them r acting a bit scummy

 

[Lord Melkor]

I iso'd Kvothe, and the only real connection is Maerala. Kvothe vouched for Maerala saying they didn't think Maerala was mafia.

If Maerala is like me, and is a black sister, that kind of buddying and vouching could be why Kvothe was killed first.

Why not DDL? Why not other high profile hunters?

Good point, I really hope you are town.

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

 

[Lord Melkor]

Also aren't Nessos and Cypher always arguing with each other in these games? It makes sense that they are at each other's throats, isn't it?

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Obviously. It's beyond stupid to let people vote in a scattered fashion without at least getting an explanation why they shouldn't.

Just because you're innocent child doesn't mean you forget how to play mafia, DDL.

Nice try.

But I don't care about what you did, I care about why I think you did it.

[vote lynch Tiger]

 

[Natalija]

There should be someone with vote power counted two yesterday which led to rng since Cypher had seven votes while LG had six votes. Among LG voters there should be mafia with that ability.

eitherway let me just try to rephrase stuff

cypher had 7 votes, genome had 6

i told cypher no way a cop has an ability to tank a 1 vote difference

cypher said that there could be one of her voters with 1 less vote power, or one of genome voters with 1 more vote power

fine, then lets ask town. any of genome voters has a +1 extra vote power? any of cypher voters has a -1 vote power??

HOWEVER, i also told her i'd only trust u if u brought in an invest result from cooler/sigis, who r the most 2 possible scummates of her as of now. Even investing maerala is an option

but for sm reason she invested nessos??

No, in fact I think the thing is that Cooler voted me yesterday? @Cooler can you confirm?

So Cypher and LG had each 6 votes and it was indeed RNG

 

[Tiger]

Good point, I really hope you are town.

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

Also aren't Nessos and Cypher always arguing with each other in these games? It makes sense that they are at each other's throats, isn't it?

I am.

I think Nessos has Cypher on ignore?

Nice try.

But I don't care about what you did, I care about why I think you did it.

[vote lynch Tiger]

That actually doesn't track. What I did is fine, even logical, but the confirmation bias in your head has colored my actions in a way that supports your belief? Is that... Basically what you're saying?

Are you the knob that blocked me last night, too?

 

[Natalija]

Seems like @Pool Party Nitty missed that you changed your Vote to Natalija.
(I copied/pasted final Vote Count.)

Then we can expect at least one of @Lord Genome @Natalija and @Maerala is scum.

Ah you already noted it, my bad

 

[Tiger]

No, in fact I think the thing is that Cooler voted me yesterday? @Cooler can you confirm?

So Cypher and LG had each 6 votes and it was indeed RNG

No Cooler's vote on Cypher was missed, according to Nitty.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Nice try.

But I don't care about what you did, I care about why I think you did it.

[vote lynch Tiger]

Do you believe Cypher's cop claim?

 

[Natalija]

No Cooler's vote on Cypher was missed, according to Nitty.

Yeah, you mean his vote on me. So that had him left on Cypher who had majority, yet she wasn't lynched. Interesting.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Do you believe Cypher's cop claim?

Not much, but I think shes more useful alive than dead.

 

[Tiger]

Not much, but I think shes more useful alive than dead.

Please explain this.

 

[Ekkologix]

anyway its time for some usopp wacky reads

high scum lean:
cypher
cooler

soft scum lean
juan
sigis
WPK
Maerala

neutral
tiger
Melodie
Ishmael
Remchu
Natalija

town lean
xebec
nessos
DDL
JW
melkor
usopp

null?
Hero
Kue

 

[Ekkologix]

as per usual, the longer the game goes, the more u probably can swap my reads upside down and they become correct

 

[Tiger]

So DDL suspects me for trying to focus voters on red or green, with a lot of reasoning and logic behind my beliefs, even if wrong-- and then says he doesn't believe Cypher's cop claim, yet thinks she's more useful alive than dead (whatever that means?).

What is it with IC on these forums?

 

[Tiger]

Seriously, goddammit WAD. I voted you for a damn reason.

 

[Ekkologix]

No, in fact I think the thing is that Cooler voted me yesterday? @Cooler can you confirm?

So Cypher and LG had each 6 votes and it was indeed RNG

nah nitty confirmed that he didnt count cooler's vote there

r u slipping a bit or what nat ??

 

[Natalija]

nah nitty confirmed that he didnt count cooler's vote there

r u slipping a bit or what nat ??

I'm reading the thread, pipe down cowboy

 

[Tiger]

@Maerala you have some votes now and we think you helped kill Kvothe last night. Talk about it.

@John Wayne did you block me?

 

[Ekkologix]

actually nah i think nat is town

the fact that cooler didn;t even bother pointing out that mistake in the votes is what makes it look worse for him

anyway i asked nitty on red convo and he stated that cooler's vote didnt count

so it was not a 6-6 rng. it was an 8-6 cuz of nessos's passive,

but obv one of genome voters must've had a +2 vote on genome to make it 8-8

in fact scum probaably thought it would be 7-8 and genome would get lynched

BUT unlucky for them nitty missed a vote so it ended up 8-8, BUT they got lucky that the 50-50 coin flip ended lynching LG

 

[Natalija]

Usopp - Genome
Cypher - Genome
Tiger - Genome
Sigisund - Genome
Ishmael - Genome
Melodie - Genome

So then it'd make sense one of these had +1 voting power

Not sure if that necessarily means scum or important town, but. Someone here is a badass

 

[Tiger]

I don't think Cypher has an ability that tanks votes. Their reaction seems too candid for that.

So yes, I think LG's wagon has extra votes. And since Nessos and WPK's white Ajah have that passive-- other Ajahs shouldn't. Someone may have tried to save Cypher.

So then it'd make sense one of these had +1 voting power

Not sure if that necessarily means scum or important town, but. Someone here is a badass

It was 8-6, therefore we're missing 2 vp, not just 1. That makes it even more fishy.

 

[Ekkologix]

Good point, I really hope you are town.

[Vote Lynch Maerala]

u think maerala is worse than cypher?

Usopp - Genome
Cypher - Genome
Tiger - Genome
Sigisund - Genome
Ishmael - Genome
Melodie - Genome

So then it'd make sense one of these had +1 voting power

Not sure if that necessarily means scum or important town, but. Someone here is a badass

more like +2 power, cuz nessos had +1

 

[Tiger]

Usopp - Genome
Cypher - Genome
Tiger - Genome
Sigisund - Genome
Ishmael - Genome
Melodie - Genome

Can take me off that. No voting shenanigans here. I'd say remove Cypher as well for reasons I already stated.

 

[John Wayne]

@John Wayne did you block me?

Ah I see you got the 2 actives deal too.

Nah I actually forgot to send in any actions last night.

 

[Lord Melkor]

u think maerala is worse than cypher?


more like +2 power, cuz nessos had +1

Well, Cypher claimed cop and no one counterclaimed.

 

[Tiger]

Really need Cypher to explain their investigation.

 

[Ekkologix]

worst LG voters:

> ishmael did a swift vote change from cypher to LG, on the excuse that he can't bold his posts
> cypher first wanted to lynch kvothe, but then swapped to LG to save herself
> sigismund randomly came up on the thread and voted LG with the reason that if a wagon is between LG and sm1 else, going with LG is not a bad choice

 

[Lord Melkor]

Though cop could not counterclaim in such situation..

If I were cop I would definately investigated Cypher last night.

 

[Natalija]

@Cooler did anything happen to you last night?

 

[Ekkologix]

Well, Cypher claimed cop and no one counterclaimed.

we dont know the roles in the game, its not a vanilla one

we already have 2 trackers, and sm1 hinting watcher (could be scum watcher)

we also got roles that automatically say if magical power is used on sm1 or sm sht

so yea alot of invest roles if u ask me. makes sense cuz no vigs

 

[Tiger]

Ah I see you got the 2 actives deal too.

Nah I actually forgot to send in any actions last night.

Mhm.

Though cop could not counterclaim in such situation..

If I were cop I would definately investigated Cypher last night.

And why I keep asking Cypher to explain their choice for investigation. Is it really enough to have a hard-on for Nessos not to scan another red???

 

[Ekkologix]

Though cop could not counterclaim in such situation..

If I were cop I would definately investigated Cypher last night.

and if I was cypher (and I was town) i would definitely investigate usopp or maerala to confirm whose the scum among red.

if maerala was scum lynch him, if maerala was town lynch usopp

but no, she invests nessos lol

 

[Tiger]

Seriously. If you're a town red ajah cop and are sitting in a red ajah secret convo where you don't trust them due to potential betrayal...

You somehow turn around and scan someone else?

 

[Tiger]

@Cypher explain yourself.

 

[Ekkologix]

@Cooler did anything happen to you last night?

oh god pls not another tracker/watcher claim

 

[Natalija]

Wait, will we get informed in this one if we're roleblocked or busdriven or?

 

[Natalija]

oh god pls not another tracker/watcher claim

Who else claimed that?

 

[Tiger]

Wait, will we get informed in this one if we're roleblocked or busdriven or?

I was told I was blocked.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Please explain this.

If she is town, info is gained.

If she is mafia, her position will get more precarious the longer she lives. Her or her checks not dying makes her look bad.

 

[Ekkologix]

Ah I see you got the 2 actives deal too.

Nah I actually forgot to send in any actions last night.

u forgot

but did ur scummate use any for u?

 

[Tiger]

Who else claimed that?

LG did. And I surmised that Sigis watched DDL.

Don't mind his comment though, there's bound to be several different styles of information-gathering in this setup.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I still don't know what is going on with this game. Who should I follow?

I'm the only one you can trust but I'm also a fucking mess so I dunno.

 

[Ekkologix]

Who else claimed that?

uh LG died ad was tracker, kvothe and Juan's passives could obtain some intel, DDL has special tracker ability, xebec is soft claiming tracker, sigis is soft hinting watcher?

of all those, sigis looks the worse ^

 

[John Wayne]

u forgot

but did ur scummate use any for u?

Why don't you ask them yourself

 

[Ekkologix]

Why don't you ask them yourself

anytime bb just give me their names real quick

 

[Tiger]

My bad pile is looking like:

Maerala
Cypher
Sigismund
Ishmael
Melodie
WPK (for not deigning to show up, proving his agitators right)
Kue
John Wayne

I wouldn't hesitate to start shooting.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I was reading eariler in the thread, and noticed the time was close to when Nitty said the cutoff was, so I sent in my vote for LG, as usually when it's LG vs someone else, LG is always a good pick.

Then he flipped innocent, after seemingly requiring vote manipulation to save Cypher, proving me wrong.
Nothing more complex than that.

Something about this post feels off.

Nothing more complex than that.

 

[Natalija]

So everyone is a type of tracker, great

Not everyone though. Definitely not Cypher and another one among the people who voted LG.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Disagree.

Sigis is playing a town like game.

While he hasn’t dropped much I’ll bet that on him being busy and then there was only real conversation towards the end of the phase.

Which ended chaotically.

@Sigismund what do you make of the game currently?

Also.

Ps. This forum update fucking sucks. I still can’t properly place votes... it won’t let me bold my text man wtf??

Click the [ ] button on the top right. Might be hidden behind the 3 dots.

 

[Ekkologix]

I'm the only one you can trust but I'm also a fucking mess so I dunno.

keep in mind when @Tiger wanted to push aizen, eventually aizen got subbed in to kue and cypher soft defended that subs are not always scum

which is ironic given that she subbed in as a scum on her last game here on valorant mafia weeks ago.

also aizen did not sub out on money mafia for sm reason when hes just as inactive lmao

 

[Tiger]

So everyone is a type of tracker, great

Not everyone though. Definitely not Cypher and another one among the people who voted LG.

At least one of those who voted LG is black, and therefore all bets are off about what abilities they may have.

I have one defensive active and one offensive active. Neither of which are for voting, sadly. Would be strong in this game.