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I don't buy it. DOn't think someone visited her last night. She survived lynch twice in a row. Definitely scum ability hence why I don't think someone visited her to mess with her result since CYpher is mafia cop.

What do you think. I want to see DDL opinion. @Dragon D. Luffy

There could be a redirector or busdriver the setup, though we haven't heard any mention of it yet and roles seem fairly repetitive.
 
Hmmmm, there is an argument from Tiger that if she was cop someone would come out to protect her which would explain her absence... well i says that is bs, why not say the same argument about an actual cop coming out and defying her claim????

1) Unable to lie in the game
2) Would confirm two potential players as well as confirm cypher as mafia


and yet you lay your ground on a doctor to come out instead of a cop roleclaim? I don't understand, a game like this is GUARANTEED to have a cop considering apparently we dont even have a big

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Also I firmly believe Hero is mafia and needs to be ridden of

[Vote Lynch Hero]
Why do you firmly believe that?
 
No, but you are the only one I thought was worth calling out.

I know you can send people messages. I know you chose not to send me them night 1, but used something else on me. And nobody else claimed to have gotten messages on night 1.

Then only night 2 you sent me a message.

Sounds like a scum pattern.
What was I supposed to say night 1? I hadn’t read the game & had no information to offer. So that’s why I sent it night 2

2 of the same people targeted you last night, but you got a new person to target you as well. Sigs who targeted you before didn’t choose to do it again last night
 
I watched Cypher last night, no one visited her at all.
She wasnt blocked or redirected
Yeah this is a nail in the coffin. I was thinking that there's a good chance that if Cypher was town, the vote manipulation and leaving them alive was so that they could clear themselves through redirects/busdrives, but if Sigis is town and telling the truth(he's been open about actions/targets w/o pressure so townleaning him), then there's no manipulation going on directly with Cypher. Other theory was that mafia had a strong method of making themselves appear town, either multiple members scanning innocent or a tailor ability, but this is much less likely to be in play given Nitty's preferences and scum already looking to specialize in vote manipulation.

Too much wrapped up in Cypher to not flip them at this point :

[Vote Lynch Cypher]
 
He tells her to vote LG, she does it. He tells her to vote Cooler, she does it :dank could they be that obvious, not sure
Mafia has this thing called a private chat, and no way does Cypher need an excuse to self-pres both those days to warrant Tiger's guiding hand in the thread itself.


Oh thats cool, thanks Tiger.

Also I blocked JW. Any chance that's what stopped the kill?
It's either a roleblock or a protect that did it, and if Nitty processes your RB as stopping JW's roleblock then only yours could have doubled as stopping a faction kill. That's assuming only green ajahs have RBs...which I rather hope because four is already a lot to be thrown about.

I'll still take the chances with you. It's no coincidence that you voted for the opposing wagons.

And frankly the fact that you can protect yourself makes it feel like you're important.
Town doesn't look to have a vig, so why should Tiger's ability to protect themselves be scum indicative? I can definitely see why scum would be intimidated by a strong townie having that ability though.

It doesn't matter if you pushed for her or not, you are the only one who ultimately voted for LG and Cooler.

So what good does your push excuse do if you didn't vote her?

No, but I intend to, thanks for asking :cat

[vote lynch Tiger]
I just don't see how your logic here doesn't lead you to a Cypher lynch first before a Tiger one. Surely if you think he's continually saving her life then she must be important for him to risk his neck.

I wish I had kills lol. But I'm a roleblocker/tracker
Isn't this like the fourth tracker claim? Like I know Nitty favors them, but it's getting hard to believe this many trackers are in the game and all town. At least with the roleblocks it happens to be their faction active. DDL is IC and LG is confirmed via flip, so good chance at least one of Nataj/JW is lying scum/scum tracker

Well, if there is a Black in Green, it has to be JW or Tiger, right?


Well, since you and Kue are confirmed, it is likely that either Tiger or JW are Black, would town have 4 roleblockers? JW was mostly inactive so far and was roleblocked today and I am a bit torn on Tiger... he makes reasonable points, but voted on two mislynches and has passive making him immune to actions?

[Vote Lynch Cypher] unless there is some new evidence, we cannot ignore how she survived with more votes with two townie mislynches, I wonder if Mafia would make so much effort to frame her?

Also, can each Yellow sister heal? It does not make sense as Mafia ability since apparently town does not have vigs...
Roleblockers are a rather neutral role to add to town, if not long term detrimental. Four is a lot, but not oppressive. Tiger never said he's passively immune to actions, he claims to have had to activate said immunity, at the cost of not being able to use his roleblock.

I also think it's likely black sisters see their non-traitor role.

John Wayne conveniently forgot to use actions N1 when asked. Because he knows he's supposed to have a RB but doesn't.
Don't think this works out, as we have to figure that Black ajah sisters know/have their normal ajah passive from the other groups, then it stands to reason that any black ajah sister from green ajah would share the green ajah active.

Hmmmm, there is an argument from Tiger that if she was cop someone would come out to protect her which would explain her absence... well i says that is bs, why not say the same argument about an actual cop coming out and defying her claim????

1) Unable to lie in the game
2) Would confirm two potential players as well as confirm cypher as mafia


and yet you lay your ground on a doctor to come out instead of a cop roleclaim? I don't understand, a game like this is GUARANTEED to have a cop considering apparently we dont even have a big

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Also I firmly believe Hero is mafia and needs to be ridden of

[Vote Lynch Hero]
Could be that there is no actual alignment cop, or they don't want to reveal and are biding their time with checks. A doctor reveal isn't as damaging to town's chances, as doctors are undoubtedly more plentiful as their impact isn't as consistently strong as an alignment cops.

Does he always focus hard on prejudice?
And would you expect from him to 100% trust the results of a cop who was outed D1?
Do you think that as scum his best move is to throw doubt on the checks or to put faith into them? The more clears town has, the harder it is for scum to remain hidden, and they have to use their faction kill to get rid of clears over strong players/roles. I could understand this position more if you weren't one of the two checked, because then you could think scum!Tiger has manipulated Cypher's checks to get his scummates cleared, but right now at the least he would be clearing you as town from your perspective if you're town. Do you suspect Maerala is his scummate?

[Vote lynch Tiger]
I just don't see how Cypher isn't a better choice for you, their flip helps solve Tiger as well as others.

@Tiger you want to figure out Vote fuckery we can make it like. We could coreograph the voting like

-Cypher 6 votes
-Nessos 4 votes
-Maerala 4 votes

And see what happens to the lynch.
...this is just asking for more vote fuckery to decide the lynch.

[change Vote lynch Cypher]
What made you change your mind?

@Cypher if you are Town tell us a lie and die. Thus we won't need to waste a lynch.

What was I supposed to say night 1? I hadn’t read the game & had no information to offer. So that’s why I sent it night 2

2 of the same people targeted you last night, but you got a new person to target you as well. Sigs who targeted you before didn’t choose to do it again last night
Who was this new person targeting DDL?
 
Town doesn't look to have a vig, so why should Tiger's ability to protect themselves be scum indicative? I can definitely see why scum would be intimidated by a strong townie having that ability though.


I just don't see how your logic here doesn't lead you to a Cypher lynch first before a Tiger one. Surely if you think he's continually saving her life then she must be important for him to risk his neck.
I don't see why any town role who isn't DDL should have such a powerful defense so that not even DDL can check him out. It's shady.

Not to mention the voting thing, and him playing oddly contradictory (by saying he pushed Cypher yet he never voted for her).

Lead me? Cypher is getting lynched either way, I don't see what does that have anything to do with it. If she is scum, she's certainly not the only one. Are you saying we should stop scumhunting just because we have a definitive lynch?
 
@WolfPrinceKiba who do you think mafia is? And depending on Cypher's flip?
I have varying degrees of suspicion on Cypher, you, Usopp, JW, LM, Nessos and Juan. If Cypher is scum, then Usopp is near cleared from interactions around Cypher, and those pushing /sussing Tiger this phase like you, Nessos and LM go up in suspicion. If Cypher town, then you three don't like quite as bad, and Tiger is a bit suspect, while Usopp shoots to the top of my scum list.
 
just die already man what the fk
That's enough, you're not being helpful :tiredpepe
Last Nitty game there was a game ender and somebody mentioned a lynchpin. High chance they win by default if the right person gets lynched or they cause like...three mislynches in a row or something.
Someone mentioned a lynchpin here?

Yeah, but your lynch kept getting redirected. If you were a target, you would have been dead by now, not saved.
 
Just trying to find out if there's a conflict with your claim vs Hero's.

You sure seem to like threatening townies with being made generic.

ya i don't give a fuk who u r, if u derail this ill role crush u, and u cannot redirect it or block me

im here this time unlike end of day when cooler got lynched

thats how u lead a wagon and make sure the lynch goes thro

dont even fken try me
 
Melodie targeted him
That's one of the people, but from what Hero said there were three people who targeted DDL. Melodie is likely a doctor, so wouldn't be surprised if they targeted DDL n1 as well.

What was I supposed to say night 1? I hadn’t read the game & had no information to offer. So that’s why I sent it night 2

2 of the same people targeted you last night, but you got a new person to target you as well. Sigs who targeted you before didn’t choose to do it again last night
 

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