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[Vivo Diez]

Still though, if a townie was the one that was redirecting kills from Usopp onto JW, wouldn't they have hinted at this point ?

 

[Vivo Diez]

@dunya ignored my request of reversing Usopp's abilities and then us dictating who Usopp should vig.

@dunya who did you target last NP?

 

[dunya]

@dunya ignored my request of reversing Usopp's abilities and then us dictating who Usopp should vig.

@dunya who did you target last NP?

i didnt ignore it but Usopp is in my poe so no thanks

i targeted wpk

 

[dunya]

i actually think usopp is indie atp.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

People blowing all these abilities on me when I don't do anything except switch a vote

 

[Vivo Diez]

i didnt ignore it but Usopp is in my poe so no thanks

i targeted wpk

It would have been a way to confirm you for telling the truth with your abilities and Usopp would have been forced to vig according to town, if he didn't he'd get immediately lynched next DP. His reactions to or vig choices alone would have been worth it. Worse case scenario he gets roleblocked or killed which isn't that bad or you get roleblocked or killed, which apparently triggers you being able to vig so that's not that bad either.

 

[dunya]

It would have been a way to confirm you for telling the truth with your abilities and Usopp would have been forced to vig according to town, if he didn't he'd get immediately lynched next DP. His reactions to or vig choices alone would have been worth it. Worse case scenario he gets roleblocked or killed which isn't that bad or you get roleblocked or killed, which apparently triggers you being able to vig so that's not that bad either.

i really dont need to confirm myself tbh. i've survived this long, i'm good.

 

[Hayumi]

@Sigismund @Hayumi @familyparka @dunya @Hero if any of u is town with some unusual vote power on JW wagon you would be able to solve this puzzle for us please

yes I grant additional voting power on any wagon I join. I’ll wait to say how much incase any eod fuckery this dp with the votes.

 

[Hayumi]

Also @Lord Melkor your claim confused me. Last dp you said you checked sigi and Vivo and found out they were the same alignment. Then this dp you told me you also checked me and them and your result said we were the same? How exactly does that work?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

just woke up so I haven't read through yet.

Also @Lord Melkor your claim confused me. Last dp you said you checked sigi and Vivo and found out they were the same alignment. Then this dp you told me you also checked me and them and your result said we were the same? How exactly does that work?

reminds me of the sandwich game ability where I check 2 ppl and see if they're the same alignment. Kue brings up a good point that its a good ability to fake claim

I don't understand why he didn't check dunya if he suspects dunya so much. Or WPK. He chose to pick an IC and someone he already checked before..

I feel like he got caught with him visiting you

 

[Vivo Diez]

Also @Lord Melkor your claim confused me. Last dp you said you checked sigi and Vivo and found out they were the same alignment. Then this dp you told me you also checked me and them and your result said we were the same? How exactly does that work?

imo idea was

Find out that Vivo and Sig are of the same alignmet(none of them confirmed innocent yet)

Then compare sig or vivo against confirmed innocent like Hayumi to confirm them as innocent

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

imo idea was

Find out that Vivo and Sig are of the same alignmet(none of them confirmed innocent yet)

Then compare sig or vivo against confirmed innocent like Hayumi to confirm them as innocent

You think LM is telling the truth?

 

[Lord Melkor]

i really dont need to confirm myself tbh. i've survived this long, i'm good.

What do you mean by "i have survived so long, i am good"? You know, you can survive till the end and still lose if mafia outnumbers you.

How much experience do you have in mafia?

 

[Lord Melkor]

Also @Lord Melkor your claim confused me. Last dp you said you checked sigi and Vivo and found out they were the same alignment. Then this dp you told me you also checked me and them and your result said we were the same? How exactly does that work?

This is ability called "Clash of Kings" i gained when Cersei trained me in politics - check two players each night if they are the same alignment. I used it first on Sigi and Vivo, then on Sigi and Hayumi to gain additional confirmation as pointed out yesterday in the thread, as unlike Vivo and Sigi Hayumi is confirmed townie.

I may learn something from Hero at the end of the day.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

[vote Lynch Katsuragi]

So you think Katsu is breaking his truth meta for this game?

 

[Hayumi]

This is ability called "Clash of Kings" i gained when Cersei trained me in politics - check two players each night if they are the same alignment. I used it first on Sigi and Vivo, then on Sigi and Hayumi to gain additional confirmation as pointed out yesterday in the thread, as unlike Vivo and Sigi Hayumi is confirmed townie.

I may learn something from Hero at the end of the day.

Ok wait so who did you use this on n1?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I know you are familiar with Katsu's gameplay LM. Usopp and others maybe not because they rarely played with him.

Dunno if i like the vote.. you havent voiced any opinion on katsu before this phase. It seems a bit bandwagony

 

[Lord Melkor]

Also do p

Ok wait so who did you use this on n1?

I did not have it night 1, gained at the end of day 1.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Also do p



I did not have it night 1, gained at the end of day 1.

Sorry meant day 2.

 

[Lord Melkor]

So you think Katsu is breaking his truth meta for this game?

Did he say he is town? If so, i will propably change my vote.

 

[Lord Melkor]

I remember playing with Katsu in at least one game when his truth meta was a point.

This vote was mostly by process of elimination, i will try to reread Katsu's posta before the end of day as i am travelling right now.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Did he say he is town? If so, i will propably change my vote.

I just checked again but not exactly. He just claimed innocence which I assume his way of saying he's town

 

[Lord Melkor]

Though i do not understanf

 

[Lord Melkor]

The

Though i do not understanf

The point of having truth meta in mafia

 

[Lord Melkor]

I just checked again but not exactly. He just claimed innocence which I assume his way of saying he's town

He also admitted to using execute ability, right?

What do you think of Wpk and Dunya?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

The

The point of having truth meta in mafia

There was another user who had a truth meta and he broke it for a game where he was outed as scum.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

If Kat never said "I'm town", it doesn't count. Plus after they've been away so long from mafia, and previous examples of truth metas being broken, can't take it as trustworthy.

Kat to me looks best in revealing the trial as their ability when they did. It's a bit sketchier now though.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

He also admitted to using execute ability, right?

What do you think of Wpk and Dunya?

WPK has been forthcoming and his claims are backed up by Nitty's vote count posts. The question remains though is if I believe it to be a scum ability or town ability. No doubt about it he was going to be questioned this phase. So this I don't know yet about WPK.

There were a lot of abilities apparently flying at him?

Dunya used her reversal on him apparently.

Hero got roleblocked but if dunya didn't get roleblocked, then hero didn't get roleblocked from targeting wpk.

As for dunya, I still lean town with her. What is the case with dunya exactly?

 

[Hayumi]

[Vote Lynch LM]

 

[familyparka]

yes I grant additional voting power on any wagon I join. I’ll wait to say how much incase any eod fuckery this dp with the votes.

Just saying this much is dangerous AF. WPK already admited he's the one controling the votes basically, so now he knows to control you specifically. He's basically chosing the lynches at this point.

This could actually be super bad.

How is nobody else freaking out about this lol

 

[Magic]

People blowing all these abilities on me when I don't do anything except switch a vote

 

[Hayumi]

Just saying this much is dangerous AF. WPK already admited he's the one controling the votes basically, so now he knows to control you specifically. He's basically chosing the lynches at this point.

This could actually be super bad.

How is nobody else freaking out about this lol

Fair. For now
[Unvote]

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

yes I grant additional voting power on any wagon I join. I’ll wait to say how much incase any eod fuckery this dp with the votes.

Your ability reminds me of Lord Genome's ability in the league of legends game (also hosted by the lovely Nitty). He granted +1 vp to anyone that voted with him. It was pretty clutch in getting mafia out.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I guess the question is @Hayumi does the math work out

Dunya - John Wayne
Lord Melkor - Remchu > WPK
Cooler - John Wayne > WPK
Hero - Usopp > WPK > John Wayne
Familyparka - John Wayne
Usopp - WPK > John Wayne
Hayumi - John Wayne
Kvothe - WPK
Vivo Diez - WPK
Katsuargi - WPK
Sigismund - John Wayne
John Wayne - John Wayne

John Wayne: 7
WPK: 5

Cooler said he had 10 VP
so it should've been

John Wayne: 7
WPK: 15

WPK should've been voted here. You don't have to give out the exact amount your vp ability gives but does JW still get voted off here due to your ability or no?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

WPK also claimed that it would double their vp

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

We are mostly trying to figure out if Cooler got vote silenced or vote stolen

 

[Vivo Diez]

If Cooler's vote got stolen, wouldn't his vote show up as "John Wayne" in the votecount, like it did for parka and dunya?

 

[Vivo Diez]

Oh you're referring to it outside of WPK's manipulation

 

[Magic]

WPK also claimed that it would double their vp

He said he misread it just +1?

 

[Lord Melkor]

[Vote Lynch LM]

I remember playing you heavy scumreading Dunya, did it change?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

He said he misread it just +1?

Oh did he? I must've missed it since I was skimming through the thread.

@Hayumi ^

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Just saying this much is dangerous AF. WPK already admited he's the one controling the votes basically, so now he knows to control you specifically. He's basically chosing the lynches at this point.

This could actually be super bad.

How is nobody else freaking out about this lol

WPK also claimed that it would double their vp

Just a +1, that was a misread.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Just saying this much is dangerous AF. WPK already admited he's the one controling the votes basically, so now he knows to control you specifically. He's basically chosing the lynches at this point.

This could actually be super bad.

How is nobody else freaking out about this lol

In previous games of Nitty i remember Mafia often having a double voter and/or vote stealer. So yes, both Wpk and Cooler having strong vote affecting power does not make me feel great.

 

[Hayumi]

Oh did he? I must've missed it since I was skimming through the thread.

@Hayumi ^

Wait so would the number for WPK still have supposedly been 15?

 

[dunya]

you can all yeet me instead tbh, i'll vig WPK after i die.

 

[dunya]

and takes me out of the poe...so 2 birds 1 stone

 

[dunya]

to ensure he doesn't survive from vote manipulations that way.

 

[dunya]

and if my vig fails, he's rolecrushed anyway so you can yeet him tomorrow.

 

[familyparka]

I mean if we have a vig, I feel like we should have them vig WPK and we vote LM today or something.
If the vig fails, we can try again after dunya dies and rolecrushes him.

Then there's the subject of Usopp's execution. Hayumi, I feel like you're one of the people who trust Usopp the most in this game, can you please tell me why you think he's not anti-town?

 

[familyparka]

@Hayumi sorry forgot to tag

 

[dunya]

I mean if we have a vig, I feel like we should have them vig WPK and we vote LM today or something.
If the vig fails, we can try again after dunya dies and rolecrushes him.

Then there's the subject of Usopp's execution. Hayumi, I feel like you're one of the people who trust Usopp the most in this game, can you please tell me why you think he's not anti-town?

no, he has vote manipulation. we get rid of WPK first.

 

[familyparka]

no, he has vote manipulation. we get rid of WPK first.

But as you said, he has a vote manipulation. How are we supposed to get rid of him, if not with a vig?

 

[familyparka]

I think if we all unanimously vote for WPK then maybe we can have enough vote power to get him lynched. But that's only if we can all agree to do that, which I find difficult at best.

 

[dunya]

But as you said, he has a vote manipulation. How are we supposed to get rid of him, if not with a vig?

i just said, vote me instead so i vig shoot him.

 

[familyparka]

Let us try I suppose

[vote lynch WPK]

You're the best GF lead we have so far imo, and even if you're not, I still don't like autocrats.

 

[familyparka]

i just said, vote me instead so i vig shoot him.

Great idea, so WPK can change our votes last minute again and decide whoever he wants to lynch

 

[dunya]

Great idea, so WPK can change our votes last minute again and decide whoever he wants to lynch

i mean, he can potentially do that if you all vote him too so i'm not sure what your thought process is here.

 

[familyparka]

i mean, he can potentially do that if you all vote him too so i'm not sure what your thought process is here.

If we all vote for him we have enough vote power to contest, even if he switches Hayumi and someone else.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

i just said, vote me instead so i vig shoot him.

If WPK is scum, wouldn't he just divert the lynch from you to someone else?

 

[familyparka]

I just checked, there's 13 players alive.

WPK changed the votes of 2 people last Day, so let's assume that's the reach of his ability. He also apparently +1s their votes. So in summary WPK's vote power is:

WPK: 1 +1 (Hayumi?)
Hayumi: 1 +1 (WPK)
Any other vote changed by WPK: 1+1+1 (Hayumi? + WPK)

That means WPK essentially has a vote power of 7, and he vote silences two people in the process.

That means that we still have 10 other voters.
We have enough vote power, but we all have to be on the same page. Which I find extremely difficult.

 

[dunya]

alright, well my vote is on him. hope it works.

 

[familyparka]

If WPK is scum, wouldn't he just divert the lynch from you to someone else?

Exactly my point

 

[dunya]

I just checked, there's 13 players alive.

WPK changed the votes of 2 people last Day, so let's assume that's the reach of his ability. He also apparently +1s their votes. So in summary WPK's vote power is:

WPK: 1 +1 (Hayumi?)
Hayumi: 1 +1 (WPK)
Any other vote changed by WPK: 1+1+1 (Hayumi? + WPK)

That means WPK essentially has a vote power of 7, and he vote silences two people in the process.

That means that we still have 10 other voters.
We have enough vote power, but we all have to be on the same page. Which I find extremely difficult.

basically tell evryone if they're not on WPK they're openwolfing

so be there or die

 

[dunya]

If WPK is scum, wouldn't he just divert the lynch from you to someone else?

if WPK is scum, couldn't he just divert the yeet from himself to someone else?

 

[familyparka]

if WPK is scum, couldn't he just divert the yeet from himself to someone else?

The answer to both of those questions is: If 11-13 people are voting for him/you, then no, he doesn't have enough vote power to counter that lynch. That is, assuming Hayumi's vote power boost works as you guys explained.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

If you're town dunya, which you probably are, it's no good for two townies to go down here. We can only hope Usopp is a scum hit, and that without this obsession with me town can get their heads out of their asses enough to win this. Paranoia on me is at max.

 

[dunya]

If you're town dunya, which you probably are, it's no good for two townies to go down here. We can only hope Usopp is a scum hit, and that without this obsession with me town can get their heads out of their asses enough to win this. Paranoia on me is at max.

ive never lasted this long in an NF game, scum are scared of killing me which makes me feel my poe is pretty accurate...that's my problem here.

 

[Lord Melkor]

But as you said, he has a vote manipulation. How are we supposed to get rid of him, if not with a vig?

You really think scum would have vote manipulation so strong that it could control the Lynch several days in the row?

 

[Lord Melkor]

[Vote Lynch Wpk]

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

You really think scum would have vote manipulation so strong that it could control the Lynch several days in the row?

I feel like the game would be over and nitty would call it if this is fact tbh

 

[Lord Melkor]

Proper format


[Vote Lynch Wolf Prince Kiba]

 

[dunya]

Proper format


[Vote Lynch Wolf Prince Kiba]

 

[dunya]

Proper format


[Vote Lynch WolfPrinceKiba]

 

[dunya]

I feel like the game would be over and nitty would call it if this is fact tbh

i feel like the yeet is town's strongest weapon and NKs are mafia's strongest weapons. giving mafia this much control over day yeets already feels scum sided tbh

yeets aren't meant to be messed with that assuredly

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

i feel like the yeet is town's strongest weapon and NKs are mafia's strongest weapons. giving mafia this much control over day yeets already feels scum sided tbh

yeets aren't meant to be messed with that assuredly

Well I'm not scum, and Nitty is good at balancing vote manipulation giving both sides powers. It's just when townies reveal how their abilities work all willy-nilly that scum might be able to wrest control enough to sway lynches.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

ive never lasted this long in an NF game, scum are scared of killing me which makes me feel my poe is pretty accurate...that's my problem here.

this is also my thought as well and why I particularly lean you as town.

I still didn't hear the case from @Lord Melkor why he thinks you're scum.

 

[familyparka]

Well I'm not scum, and Nitty is good at balancing vote manipulation giving both sides powers. It's just when townies reveal how their abilities work all willy-nilly that scum might be able to wrest control enough to sway lynches.

I agree, both sides must have vote manipulation powers.

Cooler had 10 vote power yesterday, and he is town.

Yet you controlled the lynch over him?

Yeah bye scum

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

The thing with the WPK votes last phase it just felt... like too easy though. Discussion immediately died out and people were just content with WPK.

 

[Vivo Diez]

ive never lasted this long in an NF game, scum are scared of killing me which makes me feel my poe is pretty accurate...that's my problem here.

What's your PoE again

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Hayumi's power combined with mine making things close between JW and I probably means Cooler vote power wasn't tampered with then. Angleshooty though given this is based on the assumption Nitty checked the vote count over multiple times due to the numbers being close.