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SinRaven said:
Do you have any real reads on anyone?
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Coooo! (A little bit yeah, but none of them are strong reads. Okosan has Kvothe and WPK as town leans, and has some initial worlds going at the very least. Like if optimistic is scum Nessos and Odd are more likely town due to how optimistic approached the vote. If no one called optimistic out on the vote they seemed very likely to just keep the vote where it was. Indicating that Optimistic has no qualms with them getting lynched, and pushed that world into existence more)
 
Melodie said:
That's not a read, that's a vote.
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Well I have a scumread on him.

I think it's odd that he is dead set on Infinity/A Optimistic being scum, while refusing to give reasoning for it. I'm not saying he didnt have any scummy behavior (though I did town read Infinity), but I do think it's odd for Infinity to push for that lynch without giving reasoning, while also keeping his vote on Nessos at the time.
For me, Odd seems to want to disrupt town without getting his own hands dirty. Even now his switch to WPK seems... well.. odd.
 
SinRaven said:
Now it's your turn @Melodie
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I said all I had to say before tbh. but I'm confused, were you not lowkey suspecting infinity and his choice to get out multiple times?

Anyway. I want LG to post. I also think I believe kingkiller ironically enough despite my earlier comments regarding her. I don't personally agree with her method or attitude when it comes to it but whatever. Personally I think even if you have a role that makes all of this doesn't matter, as a town member yourself, you should ideally sway people to push for a vote on anti-town, instead of wasting a day phase, town's most powerful weapon in the game; lynching, to say it does not matter..

Anyway I think you and Oddjutsu are kinda behaving in similar fashion. trollish responses lowkey, throwing suspects left and right, and weird interactions to each other, I feel like it's two townies inting but staging this shit isn't off the rails either.

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I'll go sleep, to follow the excuse people are using this game day one multiple times already.
 
Okosan said:
Coooo! (Alright guys let's actually decide on a lynch shall we?)

@Nessos Coooo! (What about Odd do you find scummy? Because it seems to Okosan like you random voted early in the day, and have been finding reasons to keep your vote on Odd after that point)
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Caaa Caaaw! Ca Caw! Caaaaa Caaaaae!
(Usually I wait for many players to respon. Its hard to a have real reads if you are new to a forum.
On the one hand we have InfinityG/Optimistic. A few posts of Infinity felt a bit off, but he was active and pushy. Optimistic came in sheeping.

Shizune and Melodie play reasonable. Not many openings.

Odd plays odd. Its hard for me to read him. For now every stunt of him was made to get reactions.

Don't know how to reacto Kvothes "who cares?"-play

Then we have 3 afkler. Gnome only made an entrance. Kouga was only seen on page 1 still waiting for reactions of him and Drago didn't posted even once.

And we have you. For me your play seems reasonable like the play of Shizune and Melodie. The lowkey shade throw implying Odd having TMI was interisting. Checked recent 10 player games here found 2, 7v3 and 7v2v1.

For now I would go with the entrance post I didn't Like. Posting a fluff question and never come back?!?)

[Change vote Lord Genome]
 
Nessos said:
Caaa Caaaw! Ca Caw! Caaaaa Caaaaae!
(Usually I wait for many players to respon. Its hard to a have real reads if you are new to a forum.
On the one hand we have InfinityG/Optimistic. A few posts of Infinity felt a bit off, but he was active and pushy. Optimistic came in sheeping.

Shizune and Melodie play reasonable. Not many openings.

Odd plays odd. Its hard for me to read him. For now every stunt of him was made to get reactions.

Don't know how to reacto Kvothes "who cares?"-play

Then we have 3 afkler. Gnome only made an entrance. Kouga was only seen on page 1 still waiting for reactions of him and Drago didn't posted even once.

And we have you. For me your play seems reasonable like the play of Shizune and Melodie. The lowkey shade throw implying Odd having TMI was interisting. Checked recent 10 player games here found 2, 7v3 and 7v2v1.

For now I would go with the entrance post I didn't Like. Posting a fluff question and never come back?!?)

[Change vote Lord Genome]
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Shizune is the host, don't read too much into their playstyle
 
Nessos said:
Caaa Caaaw! Ca Caw! Caaaaa Caaaaae!
(Usually I wait for many players to respon. Its hard to a have real reads if you are new to a forum.
On the one hand we have InfinityG/Optimistic. A few posts of Infinity felt a bit off, but he was active and pushy. Optimistic came in sheeping.

Shizune and Melodie play reasonable. Not many openings.

Odd plays odd. Its hard for me to read him. For now every stunt of him was made to get reactions.

Don't know how to reacto Kvothes "who cares?"-play

Then we have 3 afkler. Gnome only made an entrance. Kouga was only seen on page 1 still waiting for reactions of him and Drago didn't posted even once.

And we have you. For me your play seems reasonable like the play of Shizune and Melodie. The lowkey shade throw implying Odd having TMI was interisting. Checked recent 10 player games here found 2, 7v3 and 7v2v1.

For now I would go with the entrance post I didn't Like. Posting a fluff question and never come back?!?)

[Change vote Lord Genome]
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Cooooooo! (ew literally this entire post is fence sitting. "Play reasonable" "Hard for me to read him" "Don't know how to react" "That was interesting")

COOOO! (And then to top it all off you vote for a random wagon currently going on against someone not here who won't give us any good info)

Coo! Cooo? (Yeah you can be the d1 lynch)
 
Hmmmm, I don't think LG is scum. It is hard to tell with just one post but I feel like he would be more involved if he is scum. I want to give him some chance and I don't think he'll show up before day phase end. I believe he's also currently leading because of the self-vote. Nesso's vote on him does bother me because I feel like he's following Melodie (or rather jumping on this opportunity) while Melodie's vote seems more for pressure.

yeah ok

[Vote Lynch Nessos]
 
Okosan said:
Cooooo! (What specifically do you not like about LG's entrance in particular, and if you don't like it why didn't you comment when it first came up? And not only once both you and LG has votes?)
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He entered with fluff, asking a fluff question and disappeared.
Fluffy shit instead of shade throwing is cautious. Afterwards not taking part is even more cautious.

Cautious play is always scummy for me.
You may call it guts.

And there is still someone voting for Gnome?

Okosan said:
Coo! Cooo? (Yeah you can be the d1 lynch)
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You say Genome don't give us Info, what kind of Info so you get from my lynch?

Kvothe Kingkiller said:
. I want to give him some chance and I don't think he'll show up before day phase end.
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You really think he won't come back? What the basis on it? He has more then 4 hours to Return. Lets See how he handles pressure.
 
Nessos said:
He entered with fluff, asking a fluff question and disappeared.
Fluffy shit instead of shade throwing is cautious. Afterwards not taking part is even more cautious.

Cautious play is always scummy for me.
You may call it guts.

And there is still someone voting for Gnome?


You say Genome don't give us Info, what kind of Info so you get from my lynch?


You really think he won't come back? What the basis on it? He has more then 4 hours to Return. Lets See how he handles pressure.
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Lord Genome is a notorious coaster, it's highly unlikely he will be back. He handles pressure by not being here. But whatever alignment he is, he is definitely planning something and could be running the whole game behind the scenes, watch out for him.
 
Nessos said:
He entered with fluff, asking a fluff question and disappeared.
Fluffy shit instead of shade throwing is cautious. Afterwards not taking part is even more cautious.

Cautious play is always scummy for me.
You may call it guts.

And there is still someone voting for Gnome?


You say Genome don't give us Info, what kind of Info so you get from my lynch?


You really think he won't come back? What the basis on it? He has more then 4 hours to Return. Lets See how he handles pressure.
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Cooooo! (So why specifically go for LG instead of someone like, say, WPK? What exactly does activity have to do with alignment?)
 
Coooooo! Cooo! (As for what info we get out of your lynch. Depends a bit on your flip of course. If you flip mafia then LG looks better, WPK looks worse, Kvothe looks... interesting. If you flip town then we can start analyzing who jumped on the wagon the second it started forming. We can look more at odd and optimistic and how it pivoted away from the first and how no one really pushed the latter.)

COO! (If we lynch LG we get pretty much nothing because it's a meh lynch with meh results. Regardless of alignment. The only thing we really get is if LG flips mafia you're probably town)
 
Okosan said:
COOO! (The only difference between the two are that A) LG is a really easy push. And B) WPK doesn't have anyone voting for them besides themselves)
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I don't know either of them. Can't say if one of them is an easy push or not. Have to expect both Return before DP ends.

Kouga started with throwing shade on Odd buying Towncreds. At least he played, but as I mentioned it is more needed to get reads of him it was in an early state.

Genome only made a fluff post in page 4 and didn't respond to infinitys promped question. This actually gives Tons of information especially if he flips scum.
If Genome flips scum we can say with high probability Melodie, Sin and Infinity/Optimistic are town.

Okosan said:
If you flip town then we can start analyzing who jumped on the wagon the second it started forming
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I will flip Town and have No Problems with being the D1 lynch. Once everyone See me flipping Town they should look at Kvothe, Genome and you. One protecting thos fluff post and inactivity is fine, but 2?!?

The next one to look at would actually be Melody since she was a bit cautious about me. Melody was cautious after she got asked about me and only questioned if one knows if I am.familar with Mafia. I told I am familiar with mafia, but no read followed.
 
Nessos said:
I don't know either of them. Can't say if one of them is an easy push or not. Have to expect both Return before DP ends.

Kouga started with throwing shade on Odd buying Towncreds. At least he played, but as I mentioned it is more needed to get reads of him it was in an early state.

Genome only made a fluff post in page 4 and didn't respond to infinitys promped question. This actually gives Tons of information especially if he flips scum.
If Genome flips scum we can say with high probability Melodie, Sin and Infinity/Optimistic are town.


I will flip Town and have No Problems with being the D1 lynch. Once everyone See me flipping Town they should look at Kvothe, Genome and you. One protecting thos fluff post and inactivity is fine, but 2?!?

The next one to look at would actually be Melody since she was a bit cautious about me. Melody was cautious after she got asked about me and only questioned if one knows if I am.familar with Mafia. I told I am familiar with mafia, but no read followed.
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Cooooo! (Oh don't put words in Okosan's mouth here. He's not defending LG's activity at all. But voting them based exclusively on it today just really doesn't help. Plus that is a loooose efiniteion of playing from you on WPK. That constitutes absolutely nothing, and from your pov where you want to lynch these low activity members, WPK should be a valid option to you. But no, for some reason you're saying he's a worse lynch, and THEN qualifying your own read with a "well who knows I have to get more reads on them later")

Cooo! (Yeah no)
 
Nessos said:
Okosan you started a train on me Not because you read me as scum. You should build up your suspects mostly based on the possibility that I will flip Town and not the scum route.
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COOO! COO! ( 1) Okosan didn't start the wagon. 2) Okosan reads you as scum now? Okoasn doesn't see why his earlier actions can't have morphed into his current actions, or why those make it any less valid)
 
Okosan said:
Cooooo! (Oh don't put words in Okosan's mouth here. He's not defending LG's activity at all. But voting them based exclusively on it today just really doesn't help. Plus that is a loooose efiniteion of playing from you on WPK. That constitutes absolutely nothing, and from your pov where you want to lynch these low activity members, WPK should be a valid option to you. But no, for some reason you're saying he's a worse lynch, and THEN qualifying your own read with a "well who knows I have to get more reads on them later")

Cooo! (Yeah no)
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You didn't read carefully. Someone making a fluff entrance on page 4 is different then someone throwing shade and fluffing around in page 1.

Is it the same for you?
 
Okosan said:
Coo!! (honestly thinking about it WPK should be the better lynch for you here if you're going for info tbh. Considering like you said, WPK has actually at least done something)
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Again I explained what kind of info Genome would give you completly ignore it and trying to redirect me to Kouga.

I explained why Genome is more scummy and give more Info then Kouga.

Interisting for me is that you started a train and you pretend to be the most innocent guy on the train and now you defending hard an afkler and deflecting. Strengthen the Idea of Genome and you being scumbuddies.
 
Nessos said:
Again I explained what kind of info Genome would give you completly ignore it and trying to redirect me to Kouga.

I explained why Genome is more scummy and give more Info then Kouga.

Interisting for me is that you started a train and you pretend to be the most innocent guy on the train and now you defending hard an afkler and deflecting. Strengthen the Idea of Genome and you being scumbuddies.
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Coooooo! (Literally not deflecting or defending. Could LG be scum? Oh yeah 100%. Nothing they've done has been town or scum indicative to say either way. The push from Okosan asking why you didn't vote WPK was to try to understand your reason, which is pretty meh if Okosan is being honest)
 
Okosan said:
Coooooo! (Literally not deflecting or defending. Could LG be scum? Oh yeah 100%. Nothing they've done has been town or scum indicative to say either way. The push from Okosan asking why you didn't vote WPK was to try to understand your reason, which is pretty meh if Okosan is being honest)
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What kind of reasoning do you expect from someone who is completly new to this forum only knowing 2 players here? Which are Drago and Odd.

And yes making a fluff entrance on page 4 ignoring the questions for read is for me scummy af. And if he flips scum it gives info at 3 Player without them being in his train.

If I flip scum it is Just the ones who jumped on the train with ignoring the possibility of busting the new one.

Your push pgainst me is only based on random vote followed by twisting my.words.
 
Nessos said:
What kind of reasoning do you expect from someone who is completly new to this forum only knowing 2 players here? Which are Drago and Odd.

And yes making a fluff entrance on page 4 ignoring the questions for read is for me scummy af. And if he flips scum it gives info at 3 Player without them being in his train.

If I flip scum it is Just the ones who jumped on the train with ignoring the possibility of busting the new one.

Your push pgainst me is only based on random vote followed by twisting my.words.
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Coooo! (Just because you don't know people doesn't mean that you can't push them for things you find scummy. Which hey you did from what you're saying. Seems kind of like a crutch to lean on there)

COO! (Plus your argument is literally just incorrect lmao. First off it doesn't really matter if the info is gained about people on or off the train. Just because LG could get lynched and give info about 3 people not on the wagon doesn't mean it's more or less valuable than getting info about 3 people on the wagon)

Coo? Cooo? (Finally, you're literally just trying to discredit Okosan with your last sentence as opposed to having a legit discussion. "Based on a random vote" While that statement is technically true, and you could pull up an example where Okosan says so, reads can evolve. Just because you random sheep someone or random vote someone at the beginning of the day doesn't mean that you can't later get an actual scum read on them. Trying to gate off the later based on the former is just dumb.

Coooooooo! ("twisting my words" Okosan isn't twisting your words though? Okosan is pretty sure that all of his argument with you could be looked back on as either A) Okosan defending you trying to discredit him like this B) Asking you questions to try to understand your reasoning. C) Answering questions that you ask Or D) Trying to read into your intentions)
 
Okosan said:
Coooooooo! ("twisting my words" Okosan isn't twisting your words though? Okosan is pretty sure that all of his argument with you could be looked back on as either A) Okosan defending you trying to discredit him like this B) Asking you questions to try to understand your reasoning. C) Answering questions that you ask Or D) Trying to read into your intentions)
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Well whenever I explained why Genome is more scummy than Kouga. You always respond in a butway like "but Kouga should be more scummy for you" xD


But who cares low activity and If one of the afkler pops up they will jump in your stupid train anyway.


Once everyone see me flipping town they should look at following potential scum pairs.

Genome + Oko
Genome + Kvothe
Melodie + Oko
Melodie + Kvothe

With Genome scum leading to Melodie, Sin, Optimistic being Town.

Oko for me more scummy then Genome,l. Maybe I am a bit biased because of his push against me, but there is also his lowkey shade throwing against Odd where he tried to imply that Odd has TMI.


Jeep it going fellow Townies!
 
SinRaven said:
I feel like a LG lynch does give information at this point, but moreso on Okosan and Nessos then all the people Nessos named.
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In which was dies Genome give Info ob Oko.
I mean sure If Genome flips scum -> Nessos seems Town.

But for Oko it would be 50:50. And there is also Kvote who sheeped Oko hard while saying "Poor Genome need another chance".

SinRaven said:
Tbh, this Nessos vs Okosan thing feels like townies going at it.
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So Mr Pussy Pro I think it is time to Show us you proness, who is your topsuspects right now and why. 1h 15min left a pro like you should have lead right?
 
Nessos said:
In which was dies Genome give Info ob Oko.
I mean sure If Genome flips scum -> Nessos seems Town.

But for Oko it would be 50:50. And there is also Kvote who sheeped Oko hard while saying "Poor Genome need another chance".
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Sure it wouldn't give us definitive information, but it would definitely make Oko stand out. It wont give us definitive information on anyone except maybe you and Melodie, but that is only in the case he flips scum so imo that's not a good way to go.
LG himself said nothing except one fluff post. Are you prepared for the case he flips town? Because you're saying you're lynching him for information purposes, but I dont think we'd get much info if he flips town so if this is the only reason you're lynching him it's a bad one.
 
Kvothe vs InfinityG felt largely town vs town to me. Kvothe for being carefree, Infinity for the way they tried to solve Kvothe as bad as it was it felt genuine.

Oddjutsu if he knows Nessos from OJ doesn't look as bad from their initial vote, but has been pushing easy targets most of the day with bad vote timings. Votes InfinityG after they get banned, as Shizune apparently doesn't transfer votes to subs had his vote changed back to Nessos but didn't move to vote Optimistic despite the scumread there, votes me which is an easy spite vote to hide off on.

[Vote Lynch Oddjutsu]

Nessos I lean town on for their townie paranoia towards my motives. I don't actually know anything about you though @Nessos don't know why you think I'd know you're from OJ.

Melodie and Sin are pushing on old rivalries and meta feels, it's an easy thing to hide behind early on. Melodies has a better justification for wanting an LG push then Sin does a Melodie one.

Okosan has put in good effort pushing people, though I didn't like the opportunism of the Optimistic push given their sub in situation.

LG hasn't even met post limit, and it's hard to sniff him out with such a low post requirement. Action solving is the ideal here, else if he's town then we probably mislynch him or vig him.
 
SinRaven said:
Well look who the cat dragged in :cat
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More like all these squawking birds woke me up.

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Day 1 - Second vote count
  • Index
    • Vote count

    Oddjutsu - Nessos > WPK    ​
    SinRaven - Melodie > Oddjutsu
    Nessos - Oddjutsu
    Melodie - Lord Genome​
    A Optimistic - Oddjutsu > Nessos
    Okosan - Nessos
    Kvothe Kingkiller - Nessos
    WPK - Oddjutsu

    Nessos: 3
    Oddjutsu: 3
    Lord Genome: 1
    WPK: 1

    Self votes

    Lord Genome
    Dragomir

    Phase ends in 45 minutes.
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    Day 1 - Lord Genome is lynched
  • Index
    • Vote count

    Oddjutsu - Nessos > WPK
    SinRaven - Melodie > Oddjutsu
    Nessos - Oddjutsu > Lord Genome
    Melodie - Lord Genome
    A Optimistic - Oddjutsu > Nessos
    Okosan - Nessos
    Kvothe Kingkiller - Nessos
    WPK - Oddjutsu

    Nessos: 3
    Oddjutsu: 2
    Lord Genome: 2
    WPK: 1

    Self votes

    Lord Genome
    Dragomir

    Lord Genome the Merchant was lynched!

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    Merchant
    alignment: innocent
    wincon: eliminate all threats to the town

    "There's opportunity to be had here, if you're clever enough."

    [One Shot Active - Trade Baron] - The affluent Merchant can hire an investigator to follow another player, permanently telling the Merchant who they target.
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    Night 1 start. No more posting.    ​
     
    WolfPrinceKouga said:
    Kvothe vs InfinityG felt largely town vs town to me. Kvothe for being carefree, Infinity for the way they tried to solve Kvothe as bad as it was it felt genuine.

    Oddjutsu if he knows Nessos from OJ doesn't look as bad from their initial vote, but has been pushing easy targets most of the day with bad vote timings. Votes InfinityG after they get banned, as Shizune apparently doesn't transfer votes to subs had his vote changed back to Nessos but didn't move to vote Optimistic despite the scumread there, votes me which is an easy spite vote to hide off on.

    [Vote Lynch Oddjutsu]

    Nessos I lean town on for their townie paranoia towards my motives. I don't actually know anything about you though @Nessos don't know why you think I'd know you're from OJ.

    Melodie and Sin are pushing on old rivalries and meta feels, it's an easy thing to hide behind early on. Melodies has a better justification for wanting an LG push then Sin does a Melodie one.

    Okosan has put in good effort pushing people, though I didn't like the opportunism of the Optimistic push given their sub in situation.

    LG hasn't even met post limit, and it's hard to sniff him out with such a low post requirement. Action solving is the ideal here, else if he's town then we probably mislynch him or vig him.
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    You know this last minute shit from you is pretty annoying, I know you were floating around all day in a different thread. Anyway let's deconstruct this

    Infinity felt town to you?


    Everybody else, did InfinityG feel like town to you?

    I was scumreading Infinity all day because unlike yourself I was active in this thread. I called out his fake noobishness and my vote on him is because of a scumread, I didn't vote Optimistic because I made a promise even though he OMGUS'd me like a little bitch. My vote on you is also because of a scumread. Don't flatter yourself thinking it's a spite vote, you aren't that special

    You said words without substance on Melodie and SinRaven, same as Okosan and again with Lord Genome
     
    SinRaven said:
    Oddjutsu what us your opinion on Nessos?
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    Thankyou for asking

    Melodie said:
    I said all I had to say before tbh. but I'm confused, were you not lowkey suspecting infinity and his choice to get out multiple times?

    Anyway. I want LG to post. I also think I believe kingkiller ironically enough despite my earlier comments regarding her. I don't personally agree with her method or attitude when it comes to it but whatever. Personally I think even if you have a role that makes all of this doesn't matter, as a town member yourself, you should ideally sway people to push for a vote on anti-town, instead of wasting a day phase, town's most powerful weapon in the game; lynching, to say it does not matter..

    Anyway I think you and Oddjutsu are kinda behaving in similar fashion. trollish responses lowkey, throwing suspects left and right, and weird interactions to each other, I feel like it's two townies inting but staging this shit isn't off the rails either.

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    I'll go sleep, to follow the excuse people are using this game day one multiple times already.
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    Anyway I want LG to post.

    Melodie knows what LG is like

    Nessos said:
    Caaa Caaaw! Ca Caw! Caaaaa Caaaaae!
    (Usually I wait for many players to respon. Its hard to a have real reads if you are new to a forum.
    On the one hand we have InfinityG/Optimistic. A few posts of Infinity felt a bit off, but he was active and pushy. Optimistic came in sheeping.

    Shizune and Melodie play reasonable. Not many openings.

    Odd plays odd. Its hard for me to read him. For now every stunt of him was made to get reactions.

    Don't know how to reacto Kvothes "who cares?"-play

    Then we have 3 afkler. Gnome only made an entrance. Kouga was only seen on page 1 still waiting for reactions of him and Drago didn't posted even once.

    And we have you. For me your play seems reasonable like the play of Shizune and Melodie. The lowkey shade throw implying Odd having TMI was interisting. Checked recent 10 player games here found 2, 7v3 and 7v2v1.

    For now I would go with the entrance post I didn't Like. Posting a fluff question and never come back?!?)

    [Change vote Lord Genome]
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    Nessos doesn't know what LG is like

    I think he is town, he could have easily voted me for the reasons you and WPK did, WPK being opportunistic OMGUS with his vote

    Nessos never OMGUS'd me, he did have a shit wagon on him
     
    Oddjutsu said:
    Nessos doesn't know what LG is like

    I think he is town, he could have easily voted me for the reasons you and WPK did, WPK being opportunistic OMGUS with his vote

    Nessos never OMGUS'd me, he did have a shit wagon on
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    Yeah I did find it curious why Nessos went for LG specifically while he could've also voted you to save himself.

    Idk, my gut says Nessos is town but I dont like how he seems to have been ignoring you. The LG lynch felt too clean.
     
    SinRaven said:
    Yeah I did find it curious why Nessos went for LG specifically while he could've also voted you to save himself.

    Idk, my gut says Nessos is town but I dont like how he seems to have been ignoring you. The LG lynch felt too clean.
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    2 vote self voting rule, everyone but him knew LG wasn't going to show. Personally I was gambling on WPK not showing up so he'd have an extra two votes on him. Trust your gut on this one, did Melodie's response to you voting for her feel right?
     
    Oddjutsu said:
    2 vote self voting rule, everyone but him knew LG wasn't going to show. Personally I was gambling on WPK not showing up so he'd have an extra two votes on him. Trust your gut on this one, did Melodie's response to you voting for her feel right?
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    Initially it did feel right actually but what's been bugging me that she's been on the sidelines for a bit while being partially responsible about the LG lynch. I want to see where she goes from here.
     
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