Game Warcraft III: The Scourge of Lordaeron (Alliance wins!)

[Stelios]

tinfoil is not the right word for it
and you're also ignoring the other points that incriminate her

your points are : fluff , gut feeling.
what else you got?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

you're ignoring my other points or are illiterate then i guess

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

also this also constitutes as a defense of melodie fyi

 

[Stelios]

oh right i forgot a major point towards evil CC/superman

i feel like we can absolutely rule them out of being kirin tor, which is mostly or entirely comprised of the council of six

because if they were my fellow councilmen, they would have known right away that lynching me was a bad play

other people (like stelios) who argued against me after that reveal are also eliminated from those 5 other roles

so by process of elimination they are statistically less likely to be town than other players

Or maybe the ones going after you are town and are doing it because you are busting their balls.

 

[Jeroen]

you're ignoring my other points or are illiterate then i guess

I want to rate you optimistic.

 

[Stelios]

also this also constitutes as a defense of melodie fyi

you claimed you are high and mighty
kill him today i don't give two shits
Whatever he flips your pushing on him is ridiculous and childish with zero wifom, no skills involved nothing.
You are just fixated on him. I'm done with you.
As town you should be looking at Franky, which demonstrated opportunistic behavior right after my post.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Or maybe the ones going after you are town and are doing it because you are busting their balls.

i have already said that a good number of you idiots are town

but note how im not voting for either of you two (you/CC)

but the only reason im 'busting your balls' is because you're both playing like trash cans

and if ur town like me i would like u to stop kthx

 

[Nello]

I believe info lynches are more valuable this game as we might be able to ressurrect anyone who gets mislynched. As the host says in the first post:

Warcraft characters are infamous for returning from the grave.

Thoughts?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

you claimed you are high and mighty
kill him today i don't give two shits
Whatever he flips your pushing on him is ridiculous and childish with zero wifom, no skills involved nothing.
You are just fixated on him. I'm done with you.
As town you should be looking at Franky, which demonstrated opportunistic behavior right after my post.

>childish
>wifom

stop throwing in words randomly when they don't apply

also how have i been fixated on melodie??

ive explored more avenues and suspects than anyone else here

i just have decided to conclude after much time deliberation that she is the best choice

so speaking to 'fixation'

what have you and CC done?

right
fixated on me (lol dat projection)
and then after that looked it didn't work go after inactifags

also i have already acknowledged franky is a person of interest

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I believe info lynches are more valuable this game as we might be able to ressurrect anyone who gets mislynched. As the host says in the first post:


Thoughts?

i mean
the silver hand should pretty much all be Paladins or priests, right?

they can all resurrect people
im sure only a few of them can but nonetheless there's certainly pro-town revivers

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

ayy WPK rated one of my posts winner

so we shoulda expect the multiquote fun within an hour or 2

 

[Platinum]

[vote lynch God]

Let's wagon this fool

Town play

God's dying apparently according to his VMs

He hasn't been on discord in a while... totally possible.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

is that all u have to say platmang

 

[Platinum]

is that all u have to say platmang

I have some other thoughts.

- Stelios is kind of being dumb. Not sure it is scum play, but it isn't optimal town play.

- I still don't like the Melodie lynch. I haven't played with them enough to know their meta, but it still kind of feels like circular reasoning to come back to the lul day 1 bandwagon vote.

- Evil C.C. is sus

- Nello is Nello.

- Does SinRaven always post like this in games?

- With the votes being split, it is easy for us to arrive at an accidental lynch, since self votes count for two. That would be a waste, and cubey was technically who would have been lynched if the game ended last vote count and he is just inactifagging, and or possibly has been swept away at sea.

 

[Platinum]

Melodie:

-Gut: My intuition indicates she's scum (best reason imo tbh)
-Info lynch: Both Platinum and Stelios have defended her, if she flips mafia these two are worth scrutinizing, especially since one has been largely absent outside of objecting to her lynch and the other has been playing very foolishly.
-Meta reading: She's been very non-participatory, and that's very much in line with her scumplay
-Action coincidence: Every time she has posted, Kel'Thuzad has made an action within that half hour.

I object to the notion that I've only been around to defend Melodie. I am not even defending Melodie per-say, it is the situation itself that I find stupid and still find stupid.

Really feels like you are putting the cart before the horse on this whole thing tbh. You wanted to lynch Melodie at the start, and have just gone back and retroactively added some tenuous justifications to make it seem like a good idea.

Again, I don't care about Melodie at all; vig her or something if you want. I think lynching people that are active now in the thread will produce more information that can better inform our day 2 lynches.

I'd think Evil C.C. or Alwaysmind are still better targets.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

How is the coinciding of her appearances with Kel'thuzad's actions retroactive application?

 

[Platinum]

How is the coinciding of her appearances with Kel'thuzad's actions retroactive application?

It was talking about the gut and the info lynch points.

The coinciding actions thing is something, but I am never sure how often to trust those things; It relies on the host just as much as the player. How generally quick is Nitty to post actions? Rate them for me 0-10 on the Aries scale of host negligence.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

It was talking about the gut and the info lynch points.

The coinciding actions thing is something, but I am never sure how often to trust those things; It relies on the host just as much as the player. How generally quick is Nitty to post actions? Rate them for me 0-10 on the Aries scale of host negligence.

I actually don't remember if I played any previous games hosted by him.

But the fact remains that it happened TWICE is way too coincidal for me.

Even if you discount my gut or the info lynch points, she is still very much on her scum meta.

 

[Dr. White]

Wad give me a general rundown so I can post more after my haircut since I've been hella active in your game

 

[Jeroen]

Seeing as the phase will probably end before I wake up Imma just

[Vote Lynch Alwaysmind]

Only other one I feel like lynching right now is Savage.
For apparently following in his brother's footsteps.

 

[Platinum]

I actually don't remember if I played any previous games hosted by him.

But the fact remains that it happened TWICE is way too coincidal for me.

Even if you discount my gut or the info lynch points, she is still very much on her scum meta.

I'll take your word on that. I don't know their meta.

Again, i'm not saying Melodie is town or anything, I just feel like their are more valuable targets. An Alwaysmind or Evil CC lynch would tell us more and I feel they are both equally sus.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Wad give me a general rundown so I can post more after my haircut since I've been hella active in your game

-Kel'Thuzad of the Cult of the Damned makes his Plague of Undeath

-Melodie makes her first post within a half hour of this (says Mr. Waffles poked her to remind her she's playing this game)

-I soft-hint Council of Six (part of Kirin Tor faction)

-Council of Six actions appears in writeup

-I hard claim as a role in the Council of Six and say that our collective ability (we aren't masons) is we all vote on an investigation target (the one who calls the meeting suggests the proposed target and can either accept or suggest our own target; I accepted.)

-Stelios and CC vote and tunnel on me, Superman votes for me

-DDL who had previously voted for me drops his vote.

-Nello who previously suspected me dropped his suspicion

-Nello and Sin go at each other with the latter being the aggressor

-Nello and Mr. Waffles suspect each other

-Shark Skin claims not scum (has truth meta)

-The Plague of Undeath seems to start to spread in a writeup

-Melodie posts within half an hour again of the Kel'thuzad writeup

-After much argument, Stelios votes Franky and CC votes Cubey

-Me and Nello are apparently starting to get affected by the plague as we received PMs that we are feeling sick.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Vote count

WAD - Melodie > Katsuargi > Melodie
Nighty - Sin > Hyperion > Evil C.C.
Hyperion - Katsuargi
Sin - Melodie > WAD > Melodie
Legend - Superman
Stelios - Waffles > WAD
Alwaysmind - Melodie
Dr. White - Nello
Katsuargi - Hyperion
hammer - God
Evil C.C. - White Wolf > God
Nello - Waffles > Melodie > unvote > Waffles > God
Melodie - Sin > Nello
Platinum - Alwaysmind
Franky - Alwaysmind
Superman - Nello
DDL - WAD > unvote > Cubey > Stelios
Shark Skin - Evil C.C.

Melodie - 3
God - 3
Nello - 3
Alwaysmind - 2
Evil C.C. - 2
Katsuargi - 1
Superman - 1
WAD - 1
Stelios - 1

Self votes

WPK
God
White Wolf
Dr. White
Hyperion101
Savage
Satsuki
Hero
​

I am currently voting psychic.

Oh yeah @Superman no excuses from you either when I flip

I am not even voting you goob.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I'll take your word on that. I don't know their meta.

Again, i'm not saying Melodie is town or anything, I just feel like their are more valuable targets. An Alwaysmind or Evil CC lynch would tell us more and I feel they are both equally sus.

Why would they tell us more?

Walk me through it: what does an AM lynch tell us? What does an Evil CC lynch tell us?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Oh and Legend claims condemning info on Superman.

 

[Evil C.C.]

Well before my phone dies too

[Vote Alwaysmind]

I had previously unvote so this should be tje right way to vote

 

[Nello]

I am currently voting psychic.



I am not even voting you goob.

Are you saying i'm not worth lynching or something

 

[Nello]

I'm gonna have to go through AM's posts because appearantly he's the best lynch now?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

He's not. Not even top 3.

 

[Nello]

Well that didn't take long. Seems like we wouldn't get very much info at all from him. At least Melo is doing her scum meta and might be Mel'Thuzad.

I'm gonna need some answers from the people voting AM

 

[Platinum]

Why would they tell us more?

Walk me through it: what does an AM lynch tell us? What does an Evil CC lynch tell us?

I thought AM posted more than they actually have, but Evil CC has had interactions with people that might be illuminating if they flip scum.

You claim Melodie is on an apathy/inactifag scum meta. I will assume this is true, since I have no frame of reference. So, if they do flip scum, what does that tell us? Melodie hasn't interacted with anyone; it doesn't really help us with our efforts of rooting out their cohorts. That is why I think vig'ing Melodie and lynching someone else would be a more informative course of action.

Oh and Legend claims condemning info on Superman.

Was this a legitimate claim, or a joke claim?

 

[Nello]

Honestly I would find votes on myself way less suspicious

 

[Nello]

Wait no that's a lie, AM is being useless

 

[Platinum]

Is your meta usually 'Cubey-lite' Nello?

 

[Nello]

Is your meta usually 'Cubey-lite' Nello?

Idk what that means but yes

I have the most consistent meta on the seven seas

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I thought AM posted more than they actually have, but Evil CC has had interactions with people that might be illuminating if they flip scum.

Okay. What interactions and how?

You claim Melodie is on an apathy/inactifag scum meta. I will assume this is true, since I have no frame of reference. So, if they do flip scum, what does that tell us? Melodie hasn't interacted with anyone; it doesn't really help us with our efforts of rooting out their cohorts. That is why I think vig'ing Melodie and lynching someone else would be a more informative course of action.

Problem 1.

The presumption that Melodie hasn't had any notable interactions TOWARDS anyone does not mean there may be some relationships with others.

You, Stelios, DDL, and Melodie have all discouraged the Melodie lynch to some degree. So all of you are worth scrutiny should she flip scum.

Problem 2.

You directing vigilantes. This is patently scummy. I shouldn't have to explain why.

Was this a legitimate claim, or a joke claim?

I did ask him that myself since he and Superman have that sorta spiteful dynamic and he simply said "trust me".

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I am starting to think kel' thuzard's ability is either quoting someone or hitting certain post numbers...

Superman votes for me

Never happened, stop making things up.

Are you saying i'm not worth lynching or something

I can not wagon someone I am 100% sure is scum.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

My mistake, you did suspect me heavily though after the Council of Six writeup.

 

[Shizune]

Superman Psychic isn't in this game

 

[Mickey Mouse]

My mistake, you did suspect me heavily though after the Council of Six writeup.

Of course I do. Besides not ever trusting you in a game, I am sure this game is full of subterfuge. And people take things at face value way to easily.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Superman Psychic isn't in this game

Woops....but now that I have you here are you going to thread mark actions or put them under journal?

[Change vote lynch Shark Skin]

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Of course I do. Besides not ever trusting you in a game, I am sure this game is full of subterfuge. And people take things at face value way to easily.

Yes but what I find interesting is you weren't advising wariness/expressing your distrust against me until after the fact

Woops....but now that I have you here are you going to thread mark actions or put them under journal?

[Change vote lynch Shark Skin]

Shark Skin has pretty much claimed town...

 

[Platinum]

Idk what that means but yes

I have the most consistent meta on the seven seas

It's not a thing to be proud of to be cubey lite .

Okay. What interactions and how?

With Nighty and some other people. I would have to go back and prune the thread later for a more detailed list. My general point is it is easier to extrapolate. Since they weren't the bandwagon, people that went after them hard and people that ignored/defended them... you can get a more general idea of some people's town/anti-town leanings.

Problem 1.

The presumption that Melodie hasn't had any notable interactions TOWARDS anyone does not mean there may be some relationships with others.

You, Stelios, DDL, and Melodie have all discouraged the Melodie lynch to some degree. So all of you are worth scrutiny should she flip scum.

True, I guess. Also Melodie discouraged the Melodie lynch!?

Problem 2.

You directing vigilantes. This is patently scummy. I shouldn't have to explain why.

Please don't act like people don't tell the vigilantes what to do all the time, including yourself. They are under no obligations to listen to me, but I am allowed to give my view on a better course of action.

I did ask him that myself since he and Superman have that sorta spiteful dynamic and he simply said "trust me".

So, most likely no.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Yes but what I find interesting is you weren't advising wariness/expressing your distrust against me until after the fact

Which is ignored....every time.

Shark Skin has pretty much claimed town...

That's nice.

 

[Platinum]

Vasto is stumbling through this thread just like he stumbles through life.

Not surprising in the least.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

With Nighty and some other people. I would have to go back and prune the thread later for a more detailed list. My general point is it is easier to extrapolate. Since they weren't the bandwagon, people that went after them hard and people that ignored/defended them... you can get a more general idea of some people's town/anti-town leanings.

It's easier to extrapolate but you can't even specify on the spot what it means what exactly in the event CC flips town or scum. Seems legit.

True, I guess. Also Melodie discouraged the Melodie lynch!?

Mr. Waffles

Please don't act like people don't tell the vigilantes what to do all the time, including yourself. They are under no obligations to listen to me, but I am allowed to give my view on a better course of action.

Literally when?

Because what I'm starting to interpret is you're trying to funnel a precious resource, of which there might be more than one of, all onto Melodie who might only be killable by lynch or allow you to make preparations as her teammate to mitigate this (Mafia Doctor, bus driver, nexus, etc.)

So, nah. It's not a better course of action.

So, most likely no.

Yeah, probably not. If legend wants a Superman lynch he's gonna have to provide something concrete.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Which is ignored....every time.

I'm just saying it's really weird that you make this advisement only after evidence comes to light that I'm most likely town.

 

[Platinum]

It's easier to extrapolate but you can't even specify on the spot what it means what exactly in the event CC flips town or scum. Seems legit.

Because I haven't gone back and read 40 pages. CC has 33 posts, Melodie 6, more information being found is a given. This whole Melodie lynch started as a stupid day one bandwagon vote, and an inactivity meta judgement on day one is not something I will commit too when I feel like better options are around.

Literally when?

Favorites?

Because what I'm starting to interpret is you're trying to funnel a precious resource, of which there might be more than one of, all onto Melodie who might only be killable by lynch or allow you to make preparations as her teammate to mitigate this (Mafia Doctor, bus driver, nexus, etc.)

So, nah. It's not a better course of action.

Or, i'm just giving my opinion. Wonder which one is the more likely option.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

alright plat

 

[Stelios]

- Stelios is kind of being dumb. Not sure it is scum play, but it isn't optimal town play.

I acknowledge that I'm coming off as obtuse, indeed I got triggered by wad's poor reasoning plus he insulted me first so I just mirrored his sentiment. I'm confident that despite my clumsiness to writtenly express myself in a delightful way, one who reads between the lines may agree with me

- I still don't like the Melodie lynch. I haven't played with them enough to know their meta, but it still kind of feels like circular reasoning to come back to the lul day 1 bandwagon vote.

 

[Lord Genome]

wait
James
of all the people who antagonized me who do u find most sus

Evil cc

 

[Stelios]

-After much argument, Stelios votes Franky and CC votes Cubey

-I soft-hint Council of Six (part of Kirin Tor faction)

it's not your arguments, it's more the fact that I find your soft claim tangible now that you also got sick.
I believe you got indeed sick because Nitty confirmed it with the warning he gave you.

You said you'd see who targets you yet you didn't see anyone targeting you

"Role revealing is allowed, but not recommended. "

I wonder if Nitty has a mechanism that punishes role-revealing or if this is some kind of passive scum ability

Did @Nello also soft-hint?

 

[Nello]

Did @Nello also soft-hint?

No

Should I?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Not who targets me, WHAT targets me

I wasn't targeted by anything. So me and Nello must have triggered something. The only thing that makes sense outside of bastard explanations is several post numbers were booby trapped with the plague

 

[Shizune]

Woops....but now that I have you here are you going to thread mark actions or put them under journal?

[Change vote lynch Shark Skin]

I will write in my journal at the end of the day like any decent man

 

[Lord Genome]

Oh and Legend claims condemning info on Superman.

Wait can you link this

I'll find it but it might take a sec

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Also what does that soft claim (can we really call it that? I'm hard claiming Council but not specifying which member I am) have anything to do with it being more 'tangible' based on my illness (which is, yeah, mod confirmed)

 

[Stelios]

No

Should I?

Unless you are about to get hanged, no.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Wait can you link this

I'll find it but it might take a sec

Insider Scoop, Superman is scum

I can 100% believe it but considering ur history would like a more defined reason as to how u have this information, if you do at all

Im a trustworthy fellow my amigo

 

[Lord Genome]

[vote Lynch Superman]

I know legends role and it is extremely likely he's being legit

 

[Platinum]

Not who targets me, WHAT targets me

I wasn't targeted by anything. So me and Nello must have triggered something. The only thing that makes sense outside of bastard explanations is several post numbers were booby trapped with the plague

Couldn't the plague be rng as well?

 

[Hyperion1O1]

Not who targets me, WHAT targets me

I wasn't targeted by anything. So me and Nello must have triggered something. The only thing that makes sense outside of bastard explanations is several post numbers were booby trapped with the plague

A more feasible possibility is you QUOTED someone

Because ya know, the plague infects on contact

 

[Legend]

I have been summoned

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

[vote Lynch Superman]

I know legends role and it is extremely likely he's being legit

[Change Vote Lynch Superman]

Couldn't the plague be rng as well?

i suppose it could but quite the coincidence that it hit the two active posters in the thread?

and even if it was RNG'd, it would still be targeting me...

so i had to have proc'd it myself

 

[Lord Genome]

Legend are you trolling or legit

 

[Legend]

Legend are you trolling or legit

No comment

 

[Lord Genome]

I have faith

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

A more feasible possibility is you QUOTED someone

Because ya know, the plague infects on contact

I doubt it cuz it seems like a very easy way to get caught

and the only person i quoted around that time was Stelios

and he's not that kind of plague

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

No comment

[Change Vote Lynch Melodie]

 

[Platinum]

i suppose it could but quite the coincidence that it hit the two active posters in the thread?

and even if it was RNG'd, it would still be targeting me...

so i had to have proc'd it myself

Unlikely, but still possible. Your suggestion is more probable.

The plague did start from people eating infected grain in Warcraft, that seems like something that wouldn't alert you regardless if Nitty is doing the same.

 

[Stelios]

Not who targets me, WHAT targets me

I wasn't targeted by anything. So me and Nello must have triggered something. The only thing that makes sense outside of bastard explanations is several post numbers were booby trapped with the plague

"WHAT" targets you as a thing? Like you stepped on a trap? Or a totem came up your ass?
But if there are booby trapped posts and there's no post to indicate that this has been activated
then bastard explanation is the only explanation

Also what does that soft claim (can we really call it that? I'm hard claiming Council but not specifying which member I am) have anything to do with it being more 'tangible' based on my illness (which is, yeah, mod confirmed)

Actually now that you disregarded this theory (hinting punishing mechanism) and Nello didn't hint, it is not.
However since Nello confirmed that he's also sick and mod confirmed it for you, you can't be lying therefore you can't be fishing for doctor. Therefore you can't be scum and your clan hint is true

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

well i refuse to become zombified
fucking triggered by zombies in mafis lately

 

[Hyperion1O1]

I doubt it cuz it seems like a very easy way to get caught

and the only person i quoted around that time was Stelios

and he's not that kind of plague

2 people got infected amirite? Look for a common quoted person just incase

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

"WHAT" targets you as a thing? Like you stepped on a trap? Or a totem came up your ass?
But if there are booby trapped posts and there's no post to indicate that this has been activated
then bastard explanation is the only explanation

It has to be post numbers

It's not quote cuz I only quoted u and I really don't think ur patient zero or kel'thuzad or whatever

Actually now that you disregarded this theory (hinting punishing mechanism) and Nello didn't hint, it is not.
However since Nello confirmed that he's also sick and mod confirmed it for you, you can't be lying therefore you can't be fishing for doctor. Therefore you can't be scum and your clan hint is true

But if I wasn't Kirin Tor, I could easily have been scum that got infected

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

2 people got infected amirite? Look for a common quoted person just incase

already did

found nothing

 

[Lord Genome]

nello said he got infected

 

[Lord Genome]

2 people got infected amirite? Look for a common quoted person just incase

and why are u saying it was 2 people

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

already did

found nothing

actually

me and Nello both quoted Melodie but that was 5-10 minutes before the announcement of an incoming action and 15-20 minutes before the writeup and a considerable amount of time before we got notified of being sick

 

[Hyperion1O1]

and why are u saying it was 2 people

Wad and 1 more person claims infection

Obviously the correct way to remove the infection is to purge it

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Oh dear

Something concerning your here? Usually mafia like to point out these kind of rules without any express purpose.

Jester play
Or Sherrif role

Roleblock him and terminate him

So...immediately jumping to role conclusions, suggesting both a role you don't want to lynch and a role you don't want to target.

I'll just assume you know better in this case.

Rather relenting of you.

I am wondering if all factions are built the same way. Because if it is that is pretty broken towards town.

Well I am saying what if each town faction knows the other members of said faction and can just all mass back each other? Why would they not?

This is scummy as hell speculation. Nitty knows well enough game breaking design and may know of Law's One Piece II which got broken due to what you described but that the town factions knew each others identities was out in the open from the start there.

Generally talk of something being broken for town matters mostly to mafia, outside of clearly broken stuff that defeats the point of mafia like OP2.

It's day once. Beyond ability use all we have is bullshitting.

So activity levels will depend on how much bullshitting people feel like doing.

I'm wondering if someone who legitimately thinks this has ever played a generic game...or even knows they exist. There are many ways to start discussion, just simply asking people if they are town or other seemingly tame questions can lead to multiple quality reads.

Yes, activity levels will always depend on how much effort the players want to put in. Mafia generally care to be the least active, as it means less chances to slip up.

If you think that based on this interaction, hahaha, holy shit you're bad at reading people.

Assumption of WAD being town and reading you badly, rather than scum pushing on an easy target.

Oh boy, that's WAD's defense. If I flipped scum he'd be like "I called it" And if I flip town he'll be like "Meh, he was acting like scum so not my fault."

No personal responsibility.

Real town there broseph.

What you are trying to accuse WAD of here is a valid scumtell, it is what is called a preemptive defense. WAD isn't guilty of it here, simply pointed out that anti-town play is going to be called anti-town play, regardless of whether or not the accused(whose opinion in this matter means jack) thinks that the accuser is accurately reading the interaction.

You were objectively being scummy. This doesn't make you objectively scum, as townies can act scummy as fuck.

Yes you are going off on him with weak discord arguments, and usually you converse much more than this and build a better case

Dr.White, have you ever truly been successful as a scum hunter? I doubt it. Talk of weak arguments generally don't hold water and usually used by scum more than town. A single simple scumtell can catch out anti-town, as can super complex tinfoil. The only ones that really care about the methodology are those getting caught out by it.

Well I do know him to get snarky when someone is coming at him, so maybe that's why I don't read that as scummy, but imo the argument is weak and he is just saying the generic "early game is nonsense" stuff that usually goes down in both OBD games and here which is why I'm so confused as to you being up in arms.

It being "common" is no excuse for it happening, learn to fucking scumhunt and not be abilityfags. I've seen whole scumteams get found out on d1 through scumhunting alone.

WAD clearly gets to defone what qualifies as town behavior.

Town behavior can wildly vary. Anti-town behavior is however fairly clear cut.

But from my perspective it wasn't like there was a butt ton of substantial discussion he was trying to sweep under the rug. This game so far is majority shitposting and that's why I believe he was referring to, not that "Anything D1 is useless so we might as well not do anything, and blindshoot".

That is exactly what he was saying.

There was still a butt ton of time left for things to improve and he clearly showed he had no interest in playing a part in upping the activity.

Oh. That's fair. Masons and people that come into the game with random tidbits of possible knowledge.

Hadn't concideed that. I'll need to reevaluate and see what I think the weights are on that kinda shit.

I look forward to seeing your conclusions from your currently baseless study, as opposed to actually trying to play the base game of mafia at all.

Because I don't think you've been useful but it's day 1 so whatever for now but step it up

What defines "being useful" to you, considering it is day 1? How would he "step it up"?

Useful to town, or to your scum faction? You haven't actually given us any substantial leads that you've been willing to commit to, and please correct me if i'm wrong here. As far as i'm concerned you've only been misdirecting and pseudo-helping

You can only judge ones usefulness in this moment going by a neutral standpoint and even if WAD is scum, he has provided more towards the puzzle for me than anyone else in this game.

Suspicions come and go, in a long phase tunnel vision is a bad thing and somewhat scummy. It is in the last 12 hours or so of a 48 hour phase that it's time to get serious on locking down lynch targets.

Can't argue against personal reads

Why would you want to, for someone other than yourself? You know what the best defense is? Continuing to be generally contributive and not just get into an endless argument with people who won't give up their gut feelings.

1st day lynch in OBD because of a long streak of being given scum roles in OBD mafia

Hesitated to confirm because mafia might focus fire a confirmed town (especially since there are apparently 4 scum factions)

If you're town, you shouldn't care about your own life so much. Even if you have a great role as town, you make it obvious by being so defensive. A claim of affiliation does not make one confirmed town and mafia might not even care or use it against you.

Alright so I am going out on a limb and say this matches WAD's meta in pretty much every game I've played with him.

That said, I don't really read him either way just yet.

AM legit came out and said he wasn't town? Either he really isn't and it adopting a truth meta or he's just fucking with his own team, in which case I'm fine with him dying anyway.

Nello is also on the same boat for the same reason.

[vote lynch Alwaysmind]

Do mine eyes deceive me? The Spineless Man with a lynch vote in what looks like his first post in the thread?

He is still weirdly fence sitting though with talking about WAD yet not offering any real opinion there. Bringing it up just because WAD is the hot topic.

im guessing imma need to read up on lore

Will this be your excuse for later inactifagging?

Why do some of you even sign up for Mafia games

Really

It's a sad state of affairs, yet we couldn't get anything more than small games without them.

Seriously.

Wad wanted to lynch Katsu for being pessimistic about town.

He tagged me so I would confirm he has used that as an argument to lynch me too.

Yet Wad is the most pessimistic about town player in this game by a mile.

He needs to die.

Could be WAD is in the same state as I was in your RYBW game, frustrated with the fact that people are blatantly being anti-scum hunting.

That's called an ad hominem fam. Your lynch is also information lynch so that's about it. Notice how Franky conveniently sused you when I said about wanting to lynch you.

If you flip town , franky is most likely scum

now suck my balls
fukboy

Lynch chains da best. Info lynches da best.

Insider Scoop, Superman is scum

Mad that he is a more successful member of the community than you as well?

I believe info lynches are more valuable this game as we might be able to ressurrect anyone who gets mislynched. As the host says in the first post:


Thoughts?

In a thread of super scummy things, this might well be the scummiest post of all. The possibility of revivals is no reason to be willy-nilly with who we off.

[Vote Lynch Nello]