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Nello said:
You said

That's not nearly the same as saying "I honestly don't have anything on him". You clearly had a defiant tone, accusing me of being scum, so naturally I interpreted your post as "i'm not saying shit, i'm asking the questions here". Don't even try to mental gymnastics your way out of this. The reason I brought up Vasto was to gauge your reaction and surprise surprise you're not interested because he's not me. You said you wanted to hunt scum instead of wasting our time on WAD, yet you don't seem interested in anyone but me. You're not being a very good townie by accusing me of tunneling on WAD and then tunneling yourself.

And when/how did I act like you're not suspecting me? I never said "i'm town and you're stupid for suspecting me". Prove me wrong :ufdup
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You asked my thoughts on Vasto and I answered 'idk' which means I don't know btw (btw btw means by the way)

I never accused you of tunneling on wad where did I even say that. Yeah I'm not super interested in anyone but you but it's day one and I already have a massive scum read on someone so I'm pushing for it.

You always called me stupid and weird and it took a while before you even caught on to my suspicion of you. Of course you never said that because you were never acting like I am suspecting you anyway. By calling me weird you're acting like I'm not pushing for something and thus not contributin, so you don't look like you have to defend yourself against me
 
SinRaven said:
You asked my thoughts on Vasto and I answered 'idk' which means I don't know btw (btw btw means by the way)

I never accused you of tunneling on wad where did I even say that. Yeah I'm not super interested in anyone but you but it's day one and I already have a massive scum read on someone so I'm pushing for it.

You always called me stupid and weird and it took a while before you even caught on to my suspicion of you. Of course you never said that because you were never acting like I am suspecting you anyway. By calling me weird you're acting like I'm not pushing for something and thus not contributin, so you don't look like you have to defend yourself against me
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I know what "idk" means. It still seems very clear to me that you simply weren't playing ball with me. You made it abundantly clear that you strongly suspected me and were in fact not legitimately asking me for suggestions on who to investigate. Try harder.
SinRaven said:
Would it though

I mean he already has a lot of credit

So why is it important to help getting him even more confirmed

Isn't it better to hunt scum instead
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This is where you criticized me for wasting time on WAD instead of hunting scum.

I find this narrative you're pushing very strange. Can you point out this extensive history of bullying you're accusing me of? This is the most farfetched conspiracy i've seen in all my mafia games. I believe I have addressed any criticisms you have of me.
 
@WADsworth the Wise mind if I ask you for some constructive reads? If you already did and I just forgot, just give me the quotes

Let's play real mafia :catfeels
Shark Skin said:
I'd say Evil CC since he seemed particularly triggered by WAD:juubicorn
[Vote lynch Evil CC]


Not I good sir:wastone
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You didn't make a single post AFAIK until I prompted you and even then... You're not making any useful observations here. CC got triggered by WAD doesn't seem very helpful. This reeks of blending.
 
Nello said:
You didn't make a single post AFAIK until I prompted you and even then... You're not making any useful observations here. CC got triggered by WAD doesn't seem very helpful. This reeks of blending.
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WAD and Nitty had also tagged me in posts earlier (In WAD's case about a day earlier and I had been lurking for a bit at the time). Your prompt only happened to be the most recent:quite

As for Evil CC, he was among the fake scum claims made earlier in this day phase and I think it would be at good idea to at least look into those who did. Of course it could just be early game BS, but its a good opportunity for blending as well. Best to look into it as soon as possible.
 
>I got triggered by WAD

Lel lad what i saw was WAD calling people dumb, stupid and retarded the moment someone decided that WAD is a good lynch cause he was fishing in night 1 for people's factions. That's not a reaction that one should have if he is town and wants to show how helpful he is. Calling people stupid and retarded cause they want to lynch him or want to say how he isn't a confirmed town is a scum play in my book.

WAD is far from being cleared as Town yet he wants everyone to just let him go as he is the most trusted TOWN ever which in my book is a scum play no matter how helpful he might try to look being top poster doesn't make you town.
 
Nello said:
This is the most farfetched conspiracy i've seen in all my mafia games. I believe I have addressed any criticisms you have of me.
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No. You haven't adressed the main issue. You've been hiding in plain sight. Acting like you're contributing, looking down on those that aren't and meanwhile you don't even really contribute in reality. You had your discussion with Waffles in which you said basically nothing, your thing on WAD which would only hurt town more, and your discussion with me where you continously dodge my main points while also saying I said stuff I didn't and twisting my words.

You're scum.

I'm done.

I'm killing you tonight.
 
my reads:

shark skin is 99% town unless he broke his long standing truth meta

sin is prolly town cuz he does that kinda bored YOLO shit when he is

nighty is prolly town based on her reaction to my faction reveal tactic discussion

ur prolly town cuz u seem genuinely interested in trying to figure this game out

hyper a light town read for now

2 of:

DDL, superman, evil CC

are town who are just derpin, 1 is scum

savage is always scum

katsu is prolly scum for reasons already listed

plat and dr. white are interesting based on their hard and soft defenses respectively of melodie/katsu, I feel like one is scum

imo Melodie is scum, shows no interest in solving this game

Alwaysmind is schrodingers scum to me except the cat is only scum when I don't open the box so ima null read him

can't figure out waffles yet

Everyone else is worthless and should post more
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
my reads:

shark skin is 99% town unless he broke his long standing truth meta

sin is prolly town cuz he does that kinda bored YOLO shit when he is

nighty is prolly town based on her reaction to my faction reveal tactic discussion

ur prolly town cuz u seem genuinely interested in trying to figure this game out

hyper a light town read for now

2 of:

DDL, superman, evil CC

are town who are just derpin, 1 is scum

savage is always scum

katsu is prolly scum for reasons already listed

plat and dr. white are interesting based on their hard and soft defenses respectively of melodie/katsu, I feel like one is scum

imo Melodie is scum, shows no interest in solving this game

Alwaysmind is schrodingers scum to me except the cat is only scum when I don't open the box so ima null read him

can't figure out waffles yet

Everyone else is worthless and should post more
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:dank
 
Evil C.C. said:
>I got triggered by WAD

Lel lad what i saw was WAD calling people dumb, stupid and retarded the moment someone decided that WAD is a good lynch cause he was fishing in night 1 for people's factions. That's not a reaction that one should have if he is town and wants to show how helpful he is. Calling people stupid and retarded cause they want to lynch him or want to say how he isn't a confirmed town is a scum play in my book.

WAD is far from being cleared as Town yet he wants everyone to just let him go as he is the most trusted TOWN ever which in my book is a scum play no matter how helpful he might try to look being top poster doesn't make you town.
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because my lynch is dumb
im not confirmed by any stretch of the imagination, no, but the evidence does point towards me being town atm

if u wanna tinfoil or pretend to tinfoil that I'm kael'thas traitor or have some other means of knowing the mechanics of what the council of six ability is then by all means feel free to think that but lynching me on that tinfoil is dumb
 
SinRaven said:
Does he?

Because he seems far from genuine to me.

He has been promoting discussion, but he always has been promoting useless discussion. And even when discussion starts getting usefull he then proceeds to push it in the useless direction.

Ref: his interactions with Waffles, his thing with you, his discussion with me.
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i mean that's just how he appears to me

i could be wrong but imo he's not worth the gamble on cuz if he's town he HAS been trying so maybe that's why im willing to give him some slack
 
Evil C.C. said:
>I got triggered by WAD

Lel lad what i saw was WAD calling people dumb, stupid and retarded the moment someone decided that WAD is a good lynch cause he was fishing in night 1 for people's factions. That's not a reaction that one should have if he is town and wants to show how helpful he is. Calling people stupid and retarded cause they want to lynch him or want to say how he isn't a confirmed town is a scum play in my book.

WAD is far from being cleared as Town yet he wants everyone to just let him go as he is the most trusted TOWN ever which in my book is a scum play no matter how helpful he might try to look being top poster doesn't make you town.
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Maybe triggered wasn't the best way for me to put it lol.

My thing with WAD is that if he is involved with the Council of the Six meeting (as everyone seemed to agree when I read the subsequent posts) then that would make him a strong town read. I see that some people also believe that there is still a slight chance that there is someone on that council that could flip, but as of right now I would imagine that the conditions for that have not been met (if there are such conditions attached to that role). Until that bridge is crossed then I think its not worth it to waste time on WAD.

I say this having read the thread from the start. TBH for much of that time I did suspect WAD. But I think his reaction to initial lynch votes on him are in line with what I've seen from him in the past, so that becomes a non-issue for me.
 
SinRaven said:
No. You haven't adressed the main issue. You've been hiding in plain sight. Acting like you're contributing, looking down on those that aren't and meanwhile you don't even really contribute in reality. You had your discussion with Waffles in which you said basically nothing, your thing on WAD which would only hurt town more, and your discussion with me where you continously dodge my main points while also saying I said stuff I didn't and twisting my words.

You're scum.

I'm done.

I'm killing you tonight.
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Bruh. I have made my reads and I have committed to them. I have fostered discussions that lead to more people making defenses and attacks. My discussion with Waffles led to his exposure as a blender and my voting him. Your main points are that i'm dodging you and hiding in plain sight you but you STILL REFUSE to point out when I evaded anyone or anything. I KNOW I have contributed and I WILL point out people who don't contribute. You calling me a hypocrite is the most ironic statement of the day. Please kill me and see what happens :skully
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
because my lynch is dumb
im not confirmed by any stretch of the imagination, no, but the evidence does point towards me being town atm

if u wanna tinfoil or pretend to tinfoil that I'm kael'thas traitor or have some other means of knowing the mechanics of what the council of six ability is then by all means feel free to think that but lynching me on that tinfoil is dumb
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A bad lynch and dumb lynch are two different things. I am not even tinfoiling here that you are a traitor i am tinfoiling on your early game fishing of factions especially if you are someone from that Order. Someone with skill like that and being part of that order wouldn't want to fish for people's faction especially on day 1.
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
evil cc
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This one imo

stelios also a good target but with him I happen to have out of game knowledge that he's actually just not very intelligent. This combined with him starting the wagon so flagrantly makes me read him as dumb town.

meanwhile evil c.c. jumped onto the lynch wad wagon immediately once it started - I find it more likely for scum to jump on the pre-existing wagon of a strong town player/leader than to start one themselves. Maybe it's just cause I haven't played with them enough to slot them into the stelios category but c'est la vie.

[Change Vote Lynch Evil C.C]
 
SinRaven said:
???
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SinRaven said:
You always called me stupid and weird and it took a while before you even caught on to my suspicion of you. Of course you never said that because you were never acting like I am suspecting you anyway. By calling me weird you're acting like I'm not pushing for something and thus not contributin, so you don't look like you have to defend yourself against me
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Keep playing dumb :lbj
 
Shark Skin said:
Maybe triggered wasn't the best way for me to put it lol.

My thing with WAD is that if he is involved with the Council of the Six meeting (as everyone seemed to agree when I read the subsequent posts) then that would make him a strong town read. I see that some people also believe that there is still a slight chance that there is someone on that council that could flip, but as of right now I would imagine that the conditions for that have not been met (if there are such conditions attached to that role). Until that bridge is crossed then I think its not worth it to waste time on WAD.

I say this having read the thread from the start. TBH for much of that time I did suspect WAD. But I think his reaction to initial lynch votes on him are in line with what I've seen from him in the past, so that becomes a non-issue for me.
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See i could agree that he is towards my town reads, till he started pointing himself as such a comfirmed town and that everyone wanting to go and discredict him in 1 way or another are dumb and retarded. His reaction to people going for him aka me seems not town like.

In my eyes he is trying to put everything said against him to the side as dumb because he is supposed to be confirmed town which is far from being the case in a game where it's stated there is already bastard roles.
 
Nighty the Mighty said:
meanwhile evil c.c. jumped onto the lynch wad wagon immediately once it started - I find it more likely for scum to jump on the pre-existing wagon of a strong town player/leader than to start one themselves. Maybe it's just cause I haven't played with them enough to slot them into the stelios category but c'est la vie.
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>WAD wagon

Lel 1 vote and that's a wagon? Especially on someone people though he is more of a town read? You should get your idea of what a wagon is better from what i see i am only one or at best there is 1 people going with me after WAD that's far from WAGON

A wagon would be voting for Melodie

Now this is a nice try to seem like you are doing something
 
Evil C.C. said:
A bad lynch and dumb lynch are two different things. I am not even tinfoiling here that you are a traitor i am tinfoiling on your early game fishing of factions especially if you are someone from that Order. Someone with skill like that and being part of that order wouldn't want to fish for people's faction especially on day 1.
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i didn't think it was a bad strategy at the time

i was wrong

it's so rare that happens (with regards to theorycrafting game mechanics) but such as it is, i still don't regret doing it because IMO the discussion of spawned has been super fruitful

if u want to remain stuck and read me as scum in lieu of realizing it is VERY unlikely im lying about being Kirin tor and thus town (at least for the moment from ones POV) then yea ur not playing smartly, especially so if u think that makes me the most viable lynch candidate

im lightly leaning town on u btw :catshrug
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
i didn't think it was a bad strategy at the time

i was wrong

it's so rare that happens (with regards to theorycrafting game mechanics) but such as it is, i still don't regret doing it because IMO the discussion of spawned has been super fruitful

if u want to remain stuck and read me as scum in lieu of realizing it is VERY unlikely im lying about being Kirin tor and thus town (at least for the moment from ones POV) then yea ur not playing smartly, especially so if u think that makes me the most viable lynch candidate

im lightly leaning town on u btw :catshrug
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I read everyone as scum from the get go anyway :catshrug

And nah i don't think you are the most viable lynch at the moment :cat

[Change Vote Lynch God]

Just changing on someone inactive for now :cat
 
Evil C.C. said:
>WAD wagon

Lel 1 vote and that's a wagon? Especially on someone people though he is more of a town read? You should get your idea of what a wagon is better from what i see i am only one or at best there is 1 people going with me after WAD that's far from WAGON

A wagon would be voting for Melodie

Now this is a nice try to seem like you are doing something
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> pre-existing

> before existing

Nighty the Mighty said:
on the pre-existing wagon
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Evil C.C. said:
See i could agree that he is towards my town reads, till he started pointing himself as such a comfirmed town and that everyone wanting to go and discredict him in 1 way or another are dumb and retarded. His reaction to people going for him aka me seems not town like.

In my eyes he is trying to put everything said against him to the side as dumb because he is supposed to be confirmed town which is far from being the case in a game where it's stated there is already bastard roles.
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[citation hella needed]

because if i recall, i even argued against Nello about my desire to NOT be 100% confirmed so that a bullseye isn't painted on my back
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
[citation hella needed]

because if i recall, i even argued against Nello about my desire to NOT be 100% confirmed so that a bullseye isn't painted on my back
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WADsworth the Wise said:
How is there not solid evidence that I'm town now? lmao
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Though it did slip of my mind that you indeed after that fixed your view, but before it you sounded way too confided that just that write up alone confirm you as town.

WADsworth the Wise said:
but u did
and now ur not taking a stance on anyone else by going after an inactifag/someone likely to be replaced or modkilled :dank
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Just changing on someone inactive for now :cat
 
Evil C.C. said:
Though it did slip of my mind that you indeed after that fixed your view, but before it you sounded way too confided that just that write up alone confirm you as town.
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i mean

why shouldn't i be confident :headscrat

i KNOW im town, hinted my faction before the writeup, the writeup happened, and i then explained to the thread what the action means

if i was wrong, then one of the council members would have likely contradicted me which would indicate me as being scum

so

why would i not feel like this gives me hella town points? lol
Just changing on someone inactive for now :cat
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yeah but why
what purpose are u trying to serve by doing so

i would like u to chime in on other people who HAVE posted

because this seems like a very good way to avoid discussion that has been or is currently relevant
 
Evil C.C. said:
>WAD wagon

Lel 1 vote and that's a wagon? Especially on someone people though he is more of a town read? You should get your idea of what a wagon is better from what i see i am only one or at best there is 1 people going with me after WAD that's far from WAGON

A wagon would be voting for Melodie

Now this is a nice try to seem like you are doing something
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What happened is that stelios voted for wad and you immediately took that chance to stack your vote on top of his. (actually you would have been third but apparently DDL "forgot" that he'd already voted for wad and swapped his vote to cubey in order to "not self vote").

in my (limited) experience this is a scum tactic because it lets you blend the hardest and blurs the actual facts of what's going on later down the track when we look back to try and examine voting patterns.

Let's say WAD flips town after his honestly pretty strong town hints, now you can say "well I wasn't the first person on the wagon blame stelios instead, he was scum trying to lynch the town claim, I was just being diligent" or some such nonsense.

it very much reads as scum testing the waters of how likely town is to lynch one of their stronger players immediately off the bat so that you don't have to worry about him for the rest of the game

not helped by this:

Evil C.C. said:
And nah i don't think you are the most viable lynch at the moment :cat

[Change Vote Lynch God]

Just changing on someone inactive for now :cat
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because now you're jumping form lynching the objectively strongest d1 town claim to a random inactifag when the heat is on you for your lynch targets.

In any case, what are your thoughts on:

1. Hyperion1O1
2. SinRaven
3. Nello
4. Stelios

?
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
i mean

why shouldn't i be confident :headscrat

i KNOW im town, hinted my faction before the writeup, the writeup happened, and i then explained to the thread what the action means

if i was wrong, then one of the council members would have likely contradicted me which would indicate me as being scum

so

why would i not feel like this gives me hella town points? lol
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Cause having town points in your opinion or believing yourself for town means other people going against you and trying to say you were fishing or are scummy doesn't mean they are retarded or dumb or stupid you must prove them or tell them why that's not true instead you just went with muh but i am town i have proved it and you are dumb.

But we are already circling around now about same thing and not moving forward which is not good for town.

WADsworth the Wise said:
yeah but why
what purpose are u trying to serve by doing so

i would like u to chime in on other people who HAVE posted

because this seems like a very good way to avoid discussion that has been or is currently relevant
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Cause i wanna rethink who i wanna vote? And that's my way of no voting without having votes on myself. Why is God someone special for you? :catthinks
 
Nello said:
Can anyone tell us how Melodie usually plays as town? Is she acting uncharacteristically?
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her recent meta is to be super inactive as scum, to the point where she got modkilled in some games spring/early summer (in northern hemisphere at least lol)

this was as a result of being burnt out from being scum in a long period of games so she honestly became disinterested/apathetic

her activity still isn't the greatest when she is town but she has shown some interest in being proactive and aggressive when she is

and ive seen none of that

also i really wanna believe she's mel'thuzad :dank
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
yes

as in

trying to figure out who is scum or not

she basically came in and was like "oh this started"

threw a return joke/meme vote on sin (who had voted her) then dipset

if u have forgotten

she has an inactive scum meta

and is a pretty good scumhunter when she's town

she's not scumhunting or trying

so i think she's scum??!

and yeah
ur dumb
like
window licker dumb
but it's ok
u have other charming attributes
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Melodie actually has a real life. It's Saturday in NL.
 
Evil C.C. said:
Cause having town points in your opinion or believing yourself for town means other people going against you and trying to say you were fishing or are scummy doesn't mean they are retarded or dumb or stupid you must prove them or tell them why that's not true instead you just went with muh but i am town i have proved it and you are dumb.

But we are already circling around now about same thing and not moving forward which is not good for town.
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but it IS dumb
and the onus shouldnt be on me to point out to you why it is dumb
other people were more than capable of figuring out why voting for me would be dumb at that stage
so if you couldnt figure it out yourself
then it sort of justifies my assertion
so im not gonna apologize for that :catshrug


Cause i wanna rethink who i wanna vote? And that's my way of no voting without having votes on myself. Why is God someone special for you? :catthinks
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then u could unvote, you know
voting for god just gives one the impression that you're trying to appear productive by prodding an inactifag, aka someone who hasnt and might not even respond to said prodding and u could possibly coast the rest of the phase without any meaningful interaction

hence why im asking you for your reads/thoughts on other players who HAVE posted

because what this could mean is that if you are scum, you realized youve misstepped in trying to go after someone who is mechanically very likely to be town, and since that already contributes to bad vote tracking, in order to get the heat off you, you're going after someone who isnt gonna actively combat you at the moment

i mean, thats fine if you wanna do that...but now you're being suspicious because you're declining to provide reads on anyone else

and theres plenty to read from now

ur welcome btw :naruramen
 
Stelios said:
Melodie actually has a real life. It's Saturday in NL.
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having a real life doesnt excuse you from not playing the game that you chose to sign up for

especially since its now been 37 hours since the game started

37 hours

to make these posts:

Melodie said:
oh
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Melodie said:
thats my reaction when u said u had a gut read on someone that didn't have the chance to post tbh.
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Melodie said:
Usually when its a gut read, it's because the person is giving mafia vibes, but you dont have a particular reason as to why you think they're scum. Not look at the player list and be like "must be mafioso" as if we're roleplaying mille playstyle.

imo
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Melodie said:
[vote lynch SinRaven]
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Melodie said:
I only showed up cuz Waffles asked me if I knew the game started, so my reaction was literally oh :dank
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which are

basically

worthless

and i expect better from her because i hold her to a higher standard

but defense noted :zaru
 
Nighty the Mighty said:
What happened is that stelios voted for wad and you immediately took that chance to stack your vote on top of his. (actually you would have been third but apparently DDL "forgot" that he'd already voted for wad and swapped his vote to cubey in order to "not self vote").

in my (limited) experience this is a scum tactic because it lets you blend the hardest and blurs the actual facts of what's going on later down the track when we look back to try and examine voting patterns.

Let's say WAD flips town after his honestly pretty strong town hints, now you can say "well I wasn't the first person on the wagon blame stelios instead, he was scum trying to lynch the town claim, I was just being diligent" or some such nonsense.

it very much reads as scum testing the waters of how likely town is to lynch one of their stronger players immediately off the bat so that you don't have to worry about him for the rest of the game

not helped by this:
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None of those people went for several pages with WAD did they? I put my vote on WAD only after i had some discussion with him?

So i had already given my reasons for why i had placed my Lynch there and didn't just drop a vote and say hey they voted so i did it?

If i had just place a vote lynch on him without giving reasons sure i could call other people for voting so i went along which isn't the case here cause i actually gave reasons why i suspected him and all.

Nighty the Mighty said:
because now you're jumping form lynching the objectively strongest d1 town claim to a random inactifag when the heat is on you for your lynch targets.

In any case, what are your thoughts on:

1. Hyperion1O1
2. SinRaven
3. Nello
4. Stelios
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And i don't see it as the strongest town claim here? You can say whatever you want, but fishing can't be discarded and is a black spot in my book no matter how much he tries to say it was a mistake.

1. Hyperion hmm well he has stated few interesting stuff, tried to give some more info about the lore and well so far is in the slightly better than neutral part but just a bit

2. Raven hmm well i honestly can't read Raven but i know he likes to be called scum instead of town from previous game :catflower If we are for real though his early WAD fake invest seems a bit iffy but i would still jst put him neutral for now

3. Nello hmm hmm i would probably put him in the more towards town who just is fooling around, but doesn't mean that this can't instantly change

4. Stelios i would say a bit towards town he hasn't done anything to put him towards scum and had similar view to me about WAD so he is towards town read for me
 
WADsworth the Wise said:
i mean, thats fine if you wanna do that...but now you're being suspicious because you're declining to provide reads on anyone else
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Being suspicious in people's eyes day 1 is totally normal it's the start everyone around you are suspicious :catshrug

WADsworth the Wise said:
but it IS dumb
and the onus shouldnt be on me to point out to you why it is dumb
other people were more than capable of figuring out why voting for me would be dumb at that stage
so if you couldnt figure it out yourself
then it sort of justifies my assertion
so im not gonna apologize for that :catshrug
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There is no dumb vote unless someone is 100% proven :catshrug
 
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