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Okosan said:
Coooooo! (Laix. Explain the actions to Okosan then? Ratchet claims the targeted you the night previous. Natalija also targeted you. You redirected them to Tiger, who Kira is targeting and can't be redirected due to order of actions processed. Therefore Ratchet's watch should have picked up Natalija AND Kira. But it didn't. Therefore someone is lying)

Coo! (Unless you can tell Okosan a version of events where that works)
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okay so

i busdrove myself with tiger
kira roleblocked tiger, no faction kill happened
natalija is claiming she protected me, which should've redirected to tiger
ratchet, confirmed watcher, saw natalija target me

however, the only action from these that is 100% confirmed is ratchet's
 
Okosan said:
Coooooo! (Laix. Explain the actions to Okosan then? Ratchet claims the targeted you the night previous. Natalija also targeted you. You redirected them to Tiger, who Kira is targeting and can't be redirected due to order of actions processed. Therefore Ratchet's watch should have picked up Natalija AND Kira. But it didn't. Therefore someone is lying)

Coo! (Unless you can tell Okosan a version of events where that works)
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COOO! (Unless Okosan is missing something the only explanation is either Kira didn't really roleblock Tiger, and therefore Ratchet did actually watch Tiger and get Natalija. OR you (Laix) is lying and they targeted you with no redirect)

Coooo! (There's actually nothing wrong with Natalija's claim here anymore)
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (So pretty sure we lynch Laix or Kira today right? Because we now know that results are accurate, which means either no one actually got redirected (with Natalija and Ratchet targeting Laix) and therefore Laix is scum. Or they did get redirected and Kira never targeted Tiger)
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Hm, only problem i have is that Kira and Laix both went hard against Cooler and Cooler was the most valuable Mafia member. Do you think that these interactions were faked? I quess there could be.....
 
I'm Felicia Maline or something. I can fly a gryphon and swap places with someone three times a game

Lord Melkor said:
Hm, only problem i have is that Kira and Laix both went hard against Cooler and Cooler was the most valuable Mafia member. Do you think that these interactions were faked? I quess there could be.....
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I don't believe Kira is scum. that would mean he actively threw both his scummates under the bus
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (Okay why didn't Ratchet see Kira act on their target?)
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that's what we've been trying to figure out hun

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Laix said:
you said you was going to roleblock me yesterday, so i didn't see the point in using my last shot as it would've just added to the confusion and probably incriminated me
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And you were pushing Cooler pretty hard the day he died, right?

I think that Cooler's plan was to buss Tiger, who would not even die and Cooler would get town credentials. So I would assume that third scum voted Tiger on the day Cooler was lynched.
 
Laix said:
that's what we've been trying to figure out hun

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Cooo! (Okay cool so one of you two is scum and is lying then. Because pretty sure there's literally nothing that could've happened that could've caused this. The only thing being maybe a mafia redirect on you?? Depending on the order the host would process that? Because Okosan legit can not think of an ability that would mess with the results from Ratchet)
 
Okosan said:
Cooo! (Okay cool so one of you two is scum and is lying then. Because pretty sure there's literally nothing that could've happened that could've caused this. The only thing being maybe a mafia redirect on you?? Depending on the order the host would process that? Because Okosan legit can not think of an ability that would mess with the results from Ratchet)
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judging by how mafia kills have priority over town kills, i imagine a mafia redirect would have priority

but that's if a mafia redirect even took place
 
Okosan said:
Cooo! (You're not confirmed fyi. Your kill could've just failed and then you claimed roleblocker. Are you following the game? From an outside perspective one of you two are scum because the actions don't work)
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Then it ought to be Laix.
Yes, I am pretty much confirmed at this point, The scum last phase as you said was between me and Tiger who if you recall I exposed and got him lynched as well as cucked him from his kill
Are you playing dumb here or are you just scum because im getting irritated with you, since last phase you've been wanting for me to be scum
 
Elistren said:
Vote count

Worm Juice - Okosan > Cooler
Ratchet - Juan > Cooler > Tiger
Laix - Juan > Cooler
Cooler - Tiger > Juan > Tiger
Lord Melkor - Tiger > Juan
Natalija - Cooler
Tiger - Juan
Kira - Tiger
Platinum - Worm Juice
Juan - Cooler
Okosan - Cooler
John Wayne - Okosan > Cooler
Sigismund - Tiger


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So Sigismund and Kira among the alive players were voting Tiger. But John Wayne switched to Cooler the moment Cooler had majority, at the very end of phase...
 
Kira Yagami said:
Then it ought to be Laix.
Yes, I am pretty much confirmed at this point, The scum last phase as you said was between me and Tiger who if you recall I exposed and got him lynched as well as cucked him from his kill
Are you playing dumb here or are you just scum because im getting irritated with you, since last phase you've been wanting for me to be scum
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i don't know how you're just allowing people like natalija, worm and okosan who all behaved VERY weird last phase, deflecting and causing confusion, to just slide by

like is it crack
 
COOOO! (Basically there are 3 options

1) Laix is scum and is lying about the busdrive. This makes the actions work out. Now Natalija and Ratchet did actually target Laix, therefore making sense why Ratchet only saw Natalija. Kira then did roleblock the scum the previous night and block the kill. Everything works out

2) Kira is lying and didn't roleblock Tiger. Now Ratchet and Natalija did get redirected to Tiger and it make sense that Ratchet did not see Kira act on Tiger (because Kira didn't). This means that something else blocked their kill last night which is why this is the slightly less likely option in Okosan's mind. Because someone would probably claim that. Also busdriver seems more like a feasible fake claim given to them than roleblocker does

3) Neither is lying and some ability Okosan can not think of messed with the results. If this is the case Okosan would love to hear the speculation on what could've happened)
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (Basically there are 3 options

1) Laix is scum and is lying about the busdrive. This makes the actions work out. Now Natalija and Ratchet did actually target Laix, therefore making sense why Ratchet only saw Natalija. Kira then did roleblock the scum the previous night and block the kill. Everything works out

2) Kira is lying and didn't roleblock Tiger. Now Ratchet and Natalija did get redirected to Tiger and it make sense that Ratchet did not see Kira act on Tiger (because Kira didn't). This means that something else blocked their kill last night which is why this is the slightly less likely option in Okosan's mind. Because someone would probably claim that. Also busdriver seems more like a feasible fake claim given to them than roleblocker does

3) Neither is lying and some ability Okosan can not think of messed with the results. If this is the case Okosan would love to hear the speculation on what could've happened)
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I WAS ROLEBLOCKED AND RATCHET DIED LAST NIGHT.

how did I kill him if i'm mafia and was roleblocked???

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Laix said:
can you actually explain how i killed someone if i was roleblocked?

@Kira Yagami

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I actually didnt think you were scum tbh which is why i was also tinfoiling about ratchet last phase, seemed too easy but you did claim to have swapped yourself with WPK on n2 and Natalija claimed to have protected you, if so wouldnt that mean she was protecting wpk?

If you really did swap with WPK, how could he have been killed if he was protected?
 
Kira Yagami said:
I actually didnt think you were scum tbh which is why i was also tinfoiling about ratchet last phase, seemed too easy but you did claim to have swapped yourself with WPK on n2 and Natalija claimed to have protected you, if so wouldnt that mean she was protecting wpk?

If you really did swap with WPK, how could he have been killed if he was protected?
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which is exactly my point

is she actually a doctor? doesn't add up.

Okosan said:
Cooo! (Okosan means, you could just be strongman to be fair)

COO! (Also this post is literally assuming that Kira is town to confirm yourself?? Which is an odd jump to make after that last post of Okosan's.)
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I would be VERY surprised if Kira is scum. look at the bigger picture
 
Kira Yagami said:
I actually didnt think you were scum tbh which is why i was also tinfoiling about ratchet last phase, seemed too easy but you did claim to have swapped yourself with WPK on n2 and Natalija claimed to have protected you, if so wouldnt that mean she was protecting wpk?

If you really did swap with WPK, how could he have been killed if he was protected?
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Cooo! (Oh yeah Okosan did actually forget about Natalija having protected WPK via the redirect too. Pretty sure this just points towards Laix being scum more, but he needs to think about it for a second)
 
Laix said:
which is exactly my point

is she actually a doctor? doesn't add up.



I would be VERY surprised if Kira is scum. look at the bigger picture
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COOOO! (So you're just going to ignore the ability claim from Ratchet and how that doesn't make sense at all / you don't have an explanation for it? Alright. Reads a lot like your only chance to survive being to not lynch within the two of you but kay)
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (So you're just going to ignore the ability claim from Ratchet and how that doesn't make sense at all / you don't have an explanation for it? Alright. Reads a lot like your only chance to survive being to not lynch within the two of you but kay)
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Coo! (Oh ignore the ability claim from a confirm that doesn't make sense, but trust the ability claim from an unconfirmed to prove yourself town. Nice double standard there)
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (So you're just going to ignore the ability claim from Ratchet and how that doesn't make sense at all / you don't have an explanation for it? Alright. Reads a lot like your only chance to survive being to not lynch within the two of you but kay)
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there's 9 townies left vs 1 scum

the scum has no chance of winning even if we mislynch this phase, which would just give us the info on who the scum is

i literally got roleblocked and a kill didn't happen. i've already acknowleged ratchet being the only CONFIRMED action out of all the stated ones (yes come on reading comprehension). you even said so yourself natalija's supposed protections don't make sense here

if i was scum why would i waste my effort trying to convince you all not to lynch me? i want to end this game and claim my victory already, just lynch natalija

for god sake she didn't even vote for tiger last phase

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Kira Yagami said:
I actually didnt think you were scum tbh which is why i was also tinfoiling about ratchet last phase, seemed too easy but you did claim to have swapped yourself with WPK on n2 and Natalija claimed to have protected you, if so wouldnt that mean she was protecting wpk?

If you really did swap with WPK, how could he have been killed if he was protected?
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who said he was protected? who said i was protected?

ratchet confirmed natalija targeted me. he did NOT confirm it was a protection. that was her claim. and as we've seen with WPK's death, it doesn't add up
 
Laix said:
i guess but then you're saying kira threw both his scummates under the bus? tiger literally only got lynched because of his claim
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COO! (Tiger was getting lynched before Kira's claim. All Kira's claim did was pile on to it. Also if you read Tiger's posts after he outed he mentioned playing a fast and loose game. Which would make sense if Kira is scum claiming that after Tiger already going to die to get major town cred until end of game. Also could be why Tiger didn't defend himself)

Coooo! (The perspective does also work from Laix being scum too, Kira, before you accuse Okosan of wanting you and you exclusively dead this phase again)
 
Okosan said:
Coo! (Okosan has yet to see anyone explain the Ratchet result that shows one of you or Laix isn't scum. He's not pushing for you specifically, just one of the pair)
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Theres a ton of ways ratchets results couldve been messed with, i dont know why you ignore that.

And No, this is not going to be another situation where its between me and another on the chopping block when im the most confirmed townie alive, stop pushing that angle.
 
Kira Yagami said:
Theres a ton of ways ratchets results couldve been messed with, i dont know why you ignore that.

And No, this is not going to be another situation where its between me and another on the chopping block when im the most confirmed townie alive, stop pushing that angle.
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COO! (What ways exactly then? Okosan keeps asking for specific examples because Okosan clearly doesn't see how, and no one is giving them)
 
Okosan said:
COOOO! (Also lmao saying Okosan is ignoring that when he very specifically gives clauses like, "Oh or something weird happened that Okosan can't imagine an ability for. But chime in if you can!")
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you're not really helping and you're just confusing everyone, as well as trying to accuse 99% confirmed townies of being scum

kira shouldn't even be a consideration of being scum because you're basically suggesting he threw the game and got both of his scummates lynched

his roleblock claim makes NO sense from a scum perspective
 
Kira Yagami said:
I dont know what kind of abilities the mafias got tf
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Coooooo! (Name literally any feasible ability that could mess with the results in such a way that results happened the way they did. It would have to be something insane like a double redirect on both exactly natalija and Ratchet. Or something extremely weird like obscuring you specifically from Ratchet's results for no reason)
 
Laix said:
you're not really helping and you're just confusing everyone, as well as trying to accuse 99% confirmed townies of being scum

kira shouldn't even be a consideration of being scum because you're basically suggesting he threw the game and got both of his scummates lynched

his roleblock claim makes NO sense from a scum perspective
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Coo! (Lmao cool so claims from people that are alive confirm you of being town but claims from people who are dead don't mean anything to you. Got it)
 
My results last Night Phase said @Natalija targeted Laix. If Laix indeed busdrove himself with Tiger, then I would have actually been Watching Tiger, and thus, I should have received Kira in my results. I also feel like I probably should have received Laix as well. But I don't know how it is done here - some sites do not show the busdriver, when self-targeting, to appear to target themselves. Someone else would have to advise on that.
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^I think the most plausible scenario here is that Laix is the one lying about being a busdriver

Laix swapping himself with Tiger being bullshit would explain why Ratchet didnt receive neither mine or Laixs results on Tiger but only received Natalijas on Laix
 
Okosan said:
Coo! (Lmao cool so claims from people that are alive confirm you of being town but claims from people who are dead don't mean anything to you. Got it)
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hun if you need me to break my posts down into simpler english just ask because something isn't clicking

YOU said: kira could be scum

this would mean:

kira actively got Cooler, his first teammate lynched

kira then SECURED the lynch of his second teammate, Tiger, with a roleblock claim that couldn't be countered and was confirmed by the absence of a faction kill

you're basically suggesting something that is beyond stupid

so yes, I do believe Kira to essentially be confirmed town. more than either of us.

i've also said multiple times that ratchet's claim is the only 100% confirmed one, as he is dead and his role confirms what he said he could do. Kira isn't hard confirmed as that would require him dying to do so, but him lying would mean he threw both teammates under the bus which is ridiciulous since he would've theoretically left himself alone vs 9 townies

do you understand now?
 
Kira Yagami said:
^I think the most plausible scenario here is that Laix is the one lying about being a busdriver

Laix swapping himself with Tiger being bullshit would explain why Ratchet didnt receive neither mine or Laixs results on Tiger but only received Natalijas on Laix
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or i was roleblocked by natalija, who is lying about what her ability does. but why i wasn't told i was roleblocked is a question for the host
 
Laix said:
i've also said multiple times that ratchet's claim is the only 100% confirmed one, as he is dead and his role confirms what he said he could do. Kira isn't hard confirmed as that would require him dying to do so, but him lying would mean he threw both teammates under the bus which is ridiciulous since he would've theoretically left himself alone vs 9 townies

do you understand now?
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Coo! ("Ratchet's claim is the only 100% confirmed one"
Also ignores Ratchet claim that shows something is messed up about the ability claims if your claim itself is correct)
 
Laix said:
i literally have said i don't believe natalija's claim to be genuine

stop trolling us and go catch some worms
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Cooooo! (Okay cool? That doesn't have to do with what Okosan said. You're saying Ratchet is the only claim to be confirmed, and yet Ratchet only saw Natalija on the night that they should've seen Natalija AND Kira. You keep skirting around why that's the case)
 
Kira Yagami said:
Maybe my roleblock on Laix failed, I dont know if i believe Laixs claim that he was indeed roleblocked after he had already denied it as it was after i told him
I dont know if shizune would make a mistake like that
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so how did ratchet die? roleblock me again tonight and see if anyone dies. you really believe mafia would have a nightly kill that ignores roleblocks? what's the point of your role then?
 
Laix said:
so how did ratchet die? roleblock me again tonight and see if anyone dies. you really believe mafia would have a nightly kill that ignores roleblocks? what's the point of your role then?
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Coooooo! (Mafia so far have a role that's good at information collection/Denying, and a protective role. If you're going by how Shizune normally makes the games there should be a role that's really good at killing. Therefore one being immune to roleblocks wouldn't be out of the question)
 
Okosan said:
Coooooo! (Mafia so far have a role that's good at information collection/Denying, and a protective role. If you're going by how Shizune normally makes the games there should be a role that's really good at killing. Therefore one being immune to roleblocks wouldn't be out of the question)
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Coo! (Especially since the other two roles have had, "if you carry the kill," effects. Now to be fair this is all speculation, but a, "if you carry the kill it's a strongman kill," doesn't seem all too out there to Okosan)
 
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