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Okosan said:
Coooo! (This seems a lot like analyzing what happened in retrospect. When Nevan was saying what they did, did you ever express the opinion that Nevan was town based off of their response?)
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What other than retrospect, I can't analyse on things that will happen in the future?

Yes, I said that scum wouldn’t do that out of the blue, I was against the lynch.
 
[ Change Vote Lynch Platinum ]

My two strongest scum reads and people I want to Lynch are platinum and Tiger, if platinum flips town, then Oko goes higher on my list, but if he flips scum, tiger is probably next for me since plat was pretty much openly defending him. We’ll see, my vote will probably fluctuate between plat and tiger but this is where I’m placing it for now.
 
Hayumi said:
[ Change Vote Lynch Platinum ]

My two strongest scum reads and people I want to Lynch are platinum and Tiger, if platinum flips town, then Oko goes higher on my list, but if he flips scum, tiger is probably next for me since plat was pretty much openly defending him. We’ll see, my vote will probably fluctuate between plat and tiger but this is where I’m placing it for now.
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Cooo!! (What about people outside of those you are already sussing? Any interesting reads that get developed based on Platinum flipping scum/town?)
 
Okosan said:
Cooo!! (What about people outside of those you are already sussing? Any interesting reads that get developed based on Platinum flipping scum/town?)
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My other suspects are more neutral based off coasting as far as I can think, for some reason I have a gut feeling that John Wayne could possibly be scum, only because of the tone of his posts have become noticeably less townie this dp, IMO. Although I’m not sure where a platinum flip would make him lean for me yet, I’ll have to go back and look into platinum’s/tiger’s interactions to see if I missed anything. That’s more on a vibe I get then any factual proof or good reason to pressure or vote, which is why he isn’t scummy enough for me to Lynch or want to pick at this point. Also Worm juice voting Juan after restating that “Hayumi, Oko, and Cooler” are suspicious is odd. We are also the exact same three Tiger specifically mentioned if I remember correctly, so could be potential correlation there. Not sure what to make of Natalija and laix’s interaction. Could be town conversating with town.
 
Hayumi said:
Could you see a high chance of plat being scummates with Tiger? And I know you’ve mentioned me also appearing sus at different points, but do you scum read me?
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Coooo! (Could Okosan see it? Sure. He doesn't know if it's a super high chance or anything though. And read wise Tiger is essentially null to Okosan anyways)

COO! (And yeah you're definitely one of Okosan's strongest scum reads at the moment)
 
Hayumi said:
My other suspects are more neutral based off coasting as far as I can think, for some reason I have a gut feeling that John Wayne could possibly be scum, only because of the tone of his posts have become noticeably less townie this dp, IMO. Although I’m not sure where a platinum flip would make him lean for me yet, I’ll have to go back and look into platinum’s/tiger’s interactions to see if I missed anything. That’s more on a vibe I get then any factual proof or good reason to pressure or vote, which is why he isn’t scummy enough for me to Lynch or want to pick at this point. Also Worm juice voting Juan after restating that “Hayumi, Oko, and Cooler” are suspicious is odd. We are also the exact same three Tiger specifically mentioned if I remember correctly, so could be potential correlation there. Not sure what to make of Natalija and laix’s interaction. Could be town conversating with town.
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Coo! (About 5% of this response actually answers the question Okosan asked)
 
Hayumi said:
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Coooo! COOO! (Lmao Okosan asked you what Platinum flipping town/mafia would mean for the people outside of the ones you immediately suspect. Not what your general reads were on the other nullish people you had)

Coo! (Okosan wanted to see you do some analyzing like Okosan did D1 where: If Platinum flips town, that means X. Type of thing. Because it seemed to me a lot of reads were base level reads on the flip. Where all you said flipping Platinum would od is give you a better idea on Tiger and Okosan)
 
If Juan and LG do nothing to contribute even to conversation than I would happily have one of them be a counter-wagon instead of Hayumi, who is at least super active and willing to defend themselves.

I was waiting to see if Ratchet or Platinum had anything to say. Hayumi should probably have another day in the face of activity and coasters not going scot-free.

[Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

You have to actively avoid this.
 
Tiger said:
If Juan and LG do nothing to contribute even to conversation than I would happily have one of them be a counter-wagon instead of Hayumi, who is at least super active and willing to defend themselves.

I was waiting to see if Ratchet or Platinum had anything to say. Hayumi should probably have another day in the face of activity and coasters not going scot-free.

[Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

You have to actively avoid this.
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Cooo!! (Okosan will say he wants to see LG's flip purely out of curiosity lmao. Okosan has a meta read on LG that got slightly challenged last time, and he wants to see if Okosan was just off or if it actually holds normally)

COOOO! (That being said LG should flip town if Okosan's meta read is correct)
 
Hayumi said:
Definitely the former, and when I come out with factual points and put effort into my posts like I did against tiger, I get responded to with one track posts and replies that only answer one aspect out of like 20. At this point I’m more focused on who I’m going to Lynch.
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I mean, let's not pretend that your defence has been anything special either. You've still got points from Day 1 that you've failed to adequately address.
 
Votes:

Melkor - John Wayne > Okosan > Tiger

Kira Yagami - Hayumi

Tiger - Hayumi > Genome

Hayumi - Tiger > Platinum

Natalija - Platinum

Laix - Genome

Worm Juice - Juan

Okosan - Platinum

Self Votes - Platinum, Nana, Genome, John Wayne, Sigismund, Juan, Ratchet, Cooler

Total Votes:

Platinum - 5
Genome - 4
Juan - 3
Nana - 2
John Wayne - 2
Sigismund - 2
Ratchet - 2
Cooler - 2
Tiger - 1
Hayumi - 1
 
Okosan said:
Coooo! COOO! (Lmao Okosan asked you what Platinum flipping town/mafia would mean for the people outside of the ones you immediately suspect. Not what your general reads were on the other nullish people you had)

Coo! (Okosan wanted to see you do some analyzing like Okosan did D1 where: If Platinum flips town, that means X. Type of thing. Because it seemed to me a lot of reads were base level reads on the flip. Where all you said flipping Platinum would od is give you a better idea on Tiger and Okosan)
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I’m not really good at that type of thing but I’ll give a general list. Some of my reasoning probably isn’t the best, but I legitimately can’t say in confidence what I think his alignment flip means for a few of these, but I’ll try. If this is confusing sorry.

Scenario A: If Platinum flips town

My new scum leans become:

Oko: as already mentioned

Natalija: seems to think platinum was pretty opportunistic (which I agree with to an extent) and also placed there vote there, so could potentially mean something's up

Juan: Platinum, and Tiger who Platinum seems to protect or defend petty clearly, both see some kind of possible connection between me and him (which is definitely not true) so he’ll automatically go higher on my list for coasting and the same behavior as past scummy games.

Kira: Out of all the people who I feel like are in some way POSSIBLY aligned with platinum and/or ignoring him and hopping on my train, I have to include at least one of them on this list, because realistically it makes sense for one of them to want to distance themselves. Kira is here, because I haven’t liked his coasting and behavior toward voting me in general.

My new town reads:

Tiger: this is pretty self explanatory, I also don’t think they could be on the same team as Juan based off of how they keep mentioning the red flags between my conversation with him.

John Wayne: Could be deep wolfing but he clearly doesn’t agree with the plat votes, could genuinely be a solid townie


Scenario B: If Platinum flips scum

My new scum leans become:

Tiger: not much more to say

John Wayne: For reasons mentioned in scenario A, they’ve been focusing pretty much everywhere except plat that I’ve seen.

Worm Juice: also pretty obvious imo, put all the focus on me, Cooler and Oko (especially me) along with Tiger out of everyone else on the wagon, but ended up voting Juan anyways? Why? They didn’t even seem to consider plat.

My new town leans become:

Oko: been pointing out things about plat’s initial push on Nevan since the start of the game.

Natalija: Seems pretty set on plat

Lord Melkor: Has voted both JW and shown suspicion on him, and now has his vote on tiger who I also feel like COULD be aligned with plat.

Sigi: Also susses plat


Unknowns/conflicted: Cooler, Juan








 
Ratchet said:
I mean, let's not pretend that your defence has been anything special either. You've still got points from Day 1 that you've failed to adequately address.
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I never stated my defense has been amazing at all, but people also haven’t responded to questions and statements I’ve made multiple times. So I don’t feel the need to return the favor. Especially when some people sus me based off a post but then ask me something they should already know was answered multiple times.
 
Platinum said:
[vote Lynch LG]

I'm fine with LG or hayumi.

Hayumi basically angling for my lunch the whole phase but only votes when oko does is top lel.
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The funny thing is, I only started giving actual pushes a few hours ago since I spent the whole day defending myself and responding to everyone repeating the same bs. And I initially gave you and tiger an equal amount of focus, but you defending him is potentially telling. I’m fine if LG gets lynched, since he’s just coasted, and oddly voted Laix but that’s not a good enough reason for me to vote him over you as I see it. All this focus on me this dp obviously has me defensive for good reason here.

On another note, I’m going to sleep shortly, and I’ve pretty much said everything I can say already so, if I’m lynched when I wake up, it is what it is. I’m getting a little burnt out. But I can’t just give up completely and I’d hate to sub out and let someone else deal with the people deadset on me being scum since that wouldn’t give them a fair chance. I have a feeling that if I somehow am still alive by the end of this dp AND np, I’m going to be voted off anyways. I’m fine with a Platinum Lynch, I don’t care if WJ gets lynched, idc if LG gets lynched, the list honestly goes on, since I can hardly read that many of you as town at this point. All the scum here fucking knows that they either
1. Are contributing to my wagon heavily
2. Simply laying low and laughing at town going against each other.

Going based off of number guess and just trying to deduce how many scum there are, I’d say about 4 people here are scum rn, which means about half the active players could be scum. It’s not looking too great for us townies atm but like I said it is what it is. And no this isn’t some last minute effort, anyone paying any sort of attention knows I’ve been trying to defend myself and be active since the start of the game, honestly Lynch me, my flip could potentially be telling. But then again, scum will be more then happy to switch up as soon as I flip town (which they know I am)
 
Hayumi said:
I feel like I’m going in a circle with myself, while scum are enjoying me apparently incriminating myself further.
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why do you feel like your incriminating yourself

Ratchet said:
Hmm, this Hayumi lynch is going over a little too easy for my liking.
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Laix said:
I agree. Her behaviour last phase was fishy but this random wagon lynch stinks. I think scum are piggybacking on your pressure to get an easy lynch
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Kira Yagami said:
Yeah ive gotta say this hayumi lynch does feel a little too easy and has barely any pushback from anyone besides him
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just noting this(i think hayumi only had like 3 votes on her at this time)

Laix said:
Actually [VOTE LYNCH Lord Genome]

his d1 coasting followed with the excuse of “muh meta” followed by not contributing much d2 means he is definitely something to worry about

I remember he played the exact same in MM4 where he was godfather
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i wasnt godfather that game ill have u know melodie was

also not gonna get into meta stuff here cuz i dont want to actually give away my mafia meta(this aint it fam)

Tiger said:
That is something I mentioned as a red flag I felt yesterday. It caused me to pay close attention to your posts, and I didn't like what I read over night for the hours I was asleep to end the phase. But to say I'm voting you because you were flirting is an erasure.

And let's calm down on "this lynch is too easy"-- no one is being lynched right now. We've barely started the day, and there's very few votes cast. Pressure and votes are good. If you get near the end of a day without any pushback, then you've got a problem.

Though, it does seem interesting that as soon as Ratchet mentions it's been easy to push Hayumi, multiple people go "yeah it HAS been! Let's look elsewhere."
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agreed with this, though usually those interactions are started by town i feel

Cooler said:
Also LM is most probably town, considering he claims to be infected. Doesn't seem to be a usual cult mechanic, probably the Worgen need to infect a certain proportion of town - they may revert if we lynch/kill the actual Worgen?
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why is he probably town? why cant he be mafia if hes infected? and why do you assume its worgen?

Platinum said:
So far I would say i'm positive on Sigismund and LM, neutral on Tiger and Oko, suspicious of Hayumi and LG, TBD on most everyone else.

Nothing exactly bad from him, Tiger and I have agreed a lot on things this game, so I just want to make sure keep healthy skepticism because its easy to fall into the 'Wow, he agrees with me! He must be town too' logic trap. Honestly, Oko's switching to Nevan was the optimal play for him regardless of alignment when he was the other wagon option, and his defense of the cryptic boi obviously reads better now that he was town. Still not totally sold regardless.
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why are you postive on those two? its a pretty strong word to use
 
Cooler is on my sus list, but that's a pretty obvious assumption he's making about Melkor. There's a worgen faction. Someone got infected. Mafia are undead faction. Undead probably don't get infected by Worgen. I mean, it's possible they would in a mafia game, but not normally.

It would perhaps mean that we would like having the worgen around for a few phases to see if their culting fails?
 
Tiger said:
Cooler is on my sus list, but that's a pretty obvious assumption he's making about Melkor. There's a worgen faction. Someone got infected. Mafia are undead faction. Undead probably don't get infected by Worgen. I mean, it's possible they would in a mafia game, but not normally.

It would perhaps mean that we would like having the worgen around for a few phases to see if their culting fails?
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and why wouldnt mafia have an infected ability? they are undead
 
Tiger said:
I mean...ok, but as someone who played WoW, and werewolf games, I was of the same mind as Cooler about infected. So I bristle at that being a point of contention, I suppose.
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It's a mechanic of either of them, but we don't have enough information at the moment so discussing it won't do much good. We really do need to keep an eye an Melkor tho, that's the only thing we can draw from that situation at the moment.
 
Lord Genome said:
why do you feel like your incriminating yourself







just noting this(i think hayumi only had like 3 votes on her at this time)



i wasnt godfather that game ill have u know melodie was

also not gonna get into meta stuff here cuz i dont want to actually give away my mafia meta(this aint it fam)



agreed with this, though usually those interactions are started by town i feel



why is he probably town? why cant he be mafia if hes infected? and why do you assume its worgen?



why are you postive on those two? its a pretty strong word to use
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I thought Worgen are like werewolves so I'm making an assumption about the infection.

Also I wasn't the only person to assume it was the Worgen and there was a lot talk of them being a cult the day before. Don't think I made a big logical leap that no one else made. It could be mafia though and the Worgen could be a different kind of faction than we're anticipating.

The fact that LM announced it straight up makes me think he's town. I didn't say I was certain though so I don't like how you're framing it that way...
 
John Wayne said:
Platinum is pretty damn shady, if you're referring to me commenting on the Bird voting Plat the moment I posted my list, then yeah I was just drawing attention to the fact that he started it as the main wagon, that was a bit opportunistic
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Cooo!! (It wasn't the main wagon. Platinum hadn't voted yet so his vote looked like it was higher than it was. Okosan's vote turned it into 2v2 between Hayumi and Platinum)
 
Lord Genome said:
so far hayumi has had the most mafia like posts but i need to reread day1 for context since i just skimmed through it at night

i feel like cooler might have slipped though
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hayumi has had some messy posts but the sudden wagon on her stank even worse

I say if we have a vig or tracker they target her tonight

Lord Genome said:
and why wouldnt mafia have an infected ability? they are undead
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do you know something we don't???

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Lord Genome said:
now i will say the town thing about melkor is he came out super early in the day about being infected

if he was mafia infected im guessing they wouldnt know till days start and would prob consult with mafia about revealing that so that makes me feel good about him

this is also assuming the infected is indie related of course
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whoops i hit reply to early:

i'm struggling to read cooler rn. i'm basing most of my reads off how people played in MMV/MMIV and he subbed out of MMV so I can't remember much

however, before he did sub out he was godfather and he was a lot less active than he is now

he did sub out due to IRL commitments tho so I really can't say

Lord Genome said:
now i will say the town thing about melkor is he came out super early in the day about being infected

if he was mafia infected im guessing they wouldnt know till days start and would prob consult with mafia about revealing that so that makes me feel good about him

this is also assuming the infected is indie related of course
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i did a quick google on the Worgen and:

They primarily inhabit forests and are natural hunters. Being bitten by or drinking the blood of a worgen transmits the worgen curse and causes humans and night elves to be transformed into one.
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it's pretty simple to assume the worgen is the indie and the worgen therefor infected LM

as the mafia are "undead" as you say, it would make sense for them to be immune to infection

however, it would be unbalanced to have a small game where town has to deal with mafia and an indie that isn't a threat to mafia, so the indie probably can infect or at least fuck with mafia in some capacity
 
Pretty much most of the players here have assumed the Worgen would have some sort of infect mechanic based on flavor. LG is literally the only one to argue otherwise.

Laix said:
whoops i hit reply to early:

i'm struggling to read cooler rn. i'm basing most of my reads off how people played in MMV/MMIV and he subbed out of MMV so I can't remember much

however, before he did sub out he was godfather and he was a lot less active than he is now

he did sub out due to IRL commitments tho so I really can't say



i did a quick google on the Worgen and:



it's pretty simple to assume the worgen is the indie and the worgen therefor infected LM

as the mafia are "undead" as you say, it would make sense for them to be immune to infection

however, it would be unbalanced to have a small game where town has to deal with mafia and an indie that isn't a threat to mafia, so the indie probably can infect or at least fuck with mafia in some capacity
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Laix said:
but why do you assume they can spread an infection?
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I domt know if they can't or not, my point is we don't know who did it

My point was cooler said melkor was town because he was infected

So he either thinks that mafia can't be infected(a mechanic we don't know exactly what it does) or he knows mafia wasn't or can't be infected(example is mafia is the one who does that)

The other thing is mafia isn't undead as in the forsaken undead, it's the scourge literal zombie undead(this I'm almost positive on because of flavor)
 
Lord Genome said:
I domt know if they can't or not, my point is we don't know who did it

My point was cooler said melkor was town because he was infected

So he either thinks that mafia can't be infected(a mechanic we don't know exactly what it does) or he knows mafia wasn't or can't be infected(example is mafia is the one who does that)

The other thing is mafia isn't undead as in the forsaken undead, it's the scourge literal zombie undead(this I'm almost positive on because of flavor)
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mhmm ok thanks for explaining, that makes more sense
 
Lord Genome said:
I domt know if they can't or not, my point is we don't know who did it

My point was cooler said melkor was town because he was infected

So he either thinks that mafia can't be infected(a mechanic we don't know exactly what it does) or he knows mafia wasn't or can't be infected(example is mafia is the one who does that)

The other thing is mafia isn't undead as in the forsaken undead, it's the scourge literal zombie undead(this I'm almost positive on because of flavor)
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Well I said probably town, I didn't say it was definite.

I don't know much about WoW I was basing off this:

Natalija said:
I’m guessing a spreading faction.
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Nana said:
You mean cult

And googling worgen it does sound like cult





:catsweat
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Tiger said:
It actually sounds exactly like a cult. Worgen bites someone and turns them into a worgen.

@Ratchet I don't angle-shoot trying to trip people up about their outside information, but if someone freely gives information up in their post-- you'd be a fool to ignore it.
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Hayumi said:
:kermit

This whole worgen thing sounds interesting. Think they can convert townies?
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John Wayne said:
Either that or it's a serial killer.

Tbh a cult in a 17 player game is really strong.
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LM himself speculated Worgen as well when he announced he was infected.

Also I've not been present in a game where mafia can be culted afaik hence why I thought it probably makes him town.

You think Undead is more likely than Worgen for the infection shenanigans?
 
Laix said:
so you think mafia can spread an infection and make a kill? they must have a kill or some sort, so is the infection the kill?

If that’s so, what does the worgen do? Kill as well? Infection? Why did nobody die N1?
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I don’t know, but I think it’s definitely weird that we had no kill last night. What the hell are the mafia doing? A delayed kill would be too weak for a mafia?

Hmmm, if I had to blind guess, they can probably convert. That would make the game pretty interesting since someone you trusted today may not be the same person tomorrow. :catghost

I guess the only clue we have now is Melkor.
 
Natalija said:
I don’t know, but I think it’s definitely weird that we had no kill last night. What the hell are the mafia doing? A delayed kill would be too weak for a mafia?

Hmmm, if I had to blind guess, they can probably convert. That would make the game pretty interesting since someone you trusted today may not be the same person tomorrow. :catghost

I guess the only clue we have now is Melkor.
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exactly, I trust in nitty’s balance and I know if mafia couldn’t make a kill he wouldn’t

1. announce nobody died. He’d mention an infection it that was the kill

2. if mafia’s ‘kill’ was a delayed kill / culting, it would be strong to counteract the small player number and presence of an indie

this feels like day 1 over again since nothing happened and it’s pissing me off
 
Laix said:
exactly, I trust in nitty’s balance and I know if mafia couldn’t make a kill he wouldn’t

1. announce nobody died. He’d mention an infection it that was the kill

2. if mafia’s ‘kill’ was a delayed kill / culting, it would be strong to counteract the small player number and presence of an indie

this feels like day 1 over again since nothing happened and it’s pissing me off
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I don’t follow, do you think Melkor’s situation is a delayed kill or zombie conversion?
Elistren said:
This is too broad of a question for me to answer. There are many different situations, or different types of ability interactions, that could result in a failed kill. I can't give one blanket answer about all those different possibilities.
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We will take this as a no. :cat
 
Natalija said:
I don’t follow, do you think Melkor’s situation is a delayed kill or zombie conversion?

We will take this as a no. :cat
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I’m saying it’s strange there was no kills and LM got infected

I believe between mafia and worgen, one can kill and one can infect

based on the language in the OP we can assume the undead is the mafia and the worgen is the indie

do you believe the indie would have a kill while the undead would infect? If so, what does infect do? Convert them? Kill them a few phases later?
 
John Wayne said:
Good job starting a main wagon :maybe
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Does this vague statement mean you are sussing Okosan now?

Tiger said:
I shan't be voting for Platinum.
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Do you think he is town based on his exchange with Nevam or more of a gut feeling?

Ratchet said:
[Vote Lynch Hayumi]
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I do not really like your focus only on Hayumi. Don't you have anything to add about other players?

Laix said:
whoops i hit reply to early:

i'm struggling to read cooler rn. i'm basing most of my reads off how people played in MMV/MMIV and he subbed out of MMV so I can't remember much

however, before he did sub out he was godfather and he was a lot less active than he is now

he did sub out due to IRL commitments tho so I really can't say
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Cooler is actually very good player in my opinion, he can be active both as Mafia and town.

Laix said:
so you think mafia can spread an infection and make a kill? they must have a kill or some sort, so is the infection the kill?

If that’s so, what does the worgen do? Kill as well? Infection? Why did nobody die N1?
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I only know I was infected and nothing else about consequences. If I were to quess I would say that Mafia targetted someone protected by the doctor, which would mean one of the stronger town players to me and infection from what I understand fits Worgen flavour wise. So if not cured I quess or either die or turn into Worgen.
 
Cooler said:
Everyone else that's commented on the Worgen has been expecting a cult mechanic based on Worgen infecting people with their curse. LG is the only one tinfoiling that it might be mafia, feels deliberate to me.
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Well, in a way they are mafia, it’s not like they’re friendly. If we play stupid, it might turn into mafia vs mafia.
Laix said:
I’m saying it’s strange there was no kills and LM got infected

I believe between mafia and worgen, one can kill and one can infect

based on the language in the OP we can assume the undead is the mafia and the worgen is the indie

do you believe the indie would have a kill while the undead would infect? If so, what does infect do? Convert them? Kill them a few phases later?
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I’m not sure, it should probably kill them, because it would be very disadvantageous for that faction to have their future convertible members ANNOUNCE they’re infected. We would watch them closely. I wouldn’t trust “I’m healed” words either unless if a doctor can confirm.

But perhaps mafia aimed at an undead member, and they could be bulletproof or something. In that case they’d probably push their lynch.
 
Natalija said:
Well, in a way they are mafia, it’s not like they’re friendly. If we play stupid, it might turn into mafia vs mafia.

I’m not sure, it should probably kill them, because it would be very disadvantageous for that faction to have their future convertible members ANNOUNCE they’re infected. We would watch them closely. I wouldn’t trust “I’m healed” words either unless if a doctor can confirm.

But perhaps mafia aimed at an undead member, and they could be bulletproof or something. In that case they’d probably push their lynch.
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exactly, I don’t believe it’s a conversion otherwise it’s useless for mafia if the townies can just announce it

your last point is very true too and may explain why hayumi’s lynch is so fishy
 
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