John Wayne
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@Ekkologix @OniKaido @Flower @A I Z E N @Hayumi @Tiffany @John Wayne come vote Shrike or Nat with me.
I'm having a strong feeling one of them is scum.
Look at my ISO of Natalija lol
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@Ekkologix @OniKaido @Flower @A I Z E N @Hayumi @Tiffany @John Wayne come vote Shrike or Nat with me.
I'm having a strong feeling one of them is scum.
Is this a repeat of you being scum and voting me again[Vote Lynch Natalija]
Is this a repeat of you being scum and voting me again![]()
Yeah, this ISO doesn't look good at all and filled mainly with fluff and a defense of LM, which Shrike doesn't call out as defending LM like I did with Ratchet apparently. Which is very weird.[Vote Lynch Natalija]
What's a weak backtracking? I said you're fake and sus. I also said you soft defended a person I found very sus. Therefore, I am voting you. What kind of logic are you trying to wiggle out here? Just digging yourself in more.So you know that gut reads are used by scum? So what exactly was suspicious in my posts that you said Nat gut read as scummy?
What is this? You're not lynching to verify a link? Then what were these posts before:
Then the second part of your sentence tells me again that I was soft defending Ratchet, which aligns with your two posts I quoted above, but you say that you're not lynching to verify a link?
That's not possible here, Shrike. You are lynching to verify a link, but you're lynching the wrong guy and it feels like weak backtracking here.
It’s ISOing all my posts and saying nothing which is weakWeak
And ive been scum so many times, who I've voted for during those times is just a blur
It smells pretty desperate to me too. Lind is just scumOh wow, all that tagging smells like desparate scum even more![]()
It’s ISOing all my posts and saying nothing which is weak![]()
Nope! You back tracked. You were clearly pushing the angle of Ratchet and me being scum buddies and now you're saying I'm fake and sus is the main reason for a lynch over Ratchet, but still point out that I soft defended a player you scum read.What's a weak backtracking? I said you're fake and sus. I also said you soft defended a person I found very sus. Therefore, I am voting you. What kind of logic are you trying to wiggle out here? Just digging yourself in more.
Oh wow, all that tagging smells like desparate scum even more![]()
Nah, you guys are pushing a weak case and got caught. Accept it.It smells pretty desperate to me too. Lind is just scum
I love your try hard scum act, am a fan as alwaysNah, you guys are pushing a weak case and got caught. Accept it.
Man I don't want to repeat myself all the time, anyone isoing my posts can see that I called your post fake 15 hours ago or whatever. I did not backtrack off of anything. I am convinced you're scum more with every post you make.Nope! You back tracked. You were clearly pushing the angle of Ratchet and me being scum buddies and now you're saying I'm fake and sus is the main reason for a lynch over Ratchet, but still point out that I soft defended a player you scum read.
And from JW's Iso, I also read Nat defending LM, whom you scum read too (LM). So what's your read of Nat then? Should be scum by the same logic you outlined here.
"digging myself deeper"? No Shrike, it's you. Using negative adjectives to try and add more weight to your accusations doesn't work. Sorry.
You clearly back tracked since you were pushing the angle of Ratchet and me being scum and then said you were lynching to not verify a link.Man I don't want to repeat myself all the time, anyone isoing my posts can see that I called your post fake 15 hours ago or whatever. I did not backtrack off of anything. I am convinced you're scum more with every post you make.
Why are you pretending like basing a vote or sus on subjective opinion isn’t how this game is played?You clearly back tracked since you were pushing the angle of Ratchet and me being scum and then said you were lynching to not verify a link.
Plus, thanks for ignoring my question of your read on Nat.
They can ISO me too and see if I was soft defending ratchet and "being fake" which, again, is a subjective opinion. Not evidence.
I would never try hard as scum.I love your try hard scum act, am a fan as always![]()
It's a weak push is what I'm basing my argument on. What didn't you understand about subjective opinions? Haven't you written an analytical paper or anything?Why are you pretending like basing a vote or sus on subjective opinion isn’t how this game is played?
Then you can vote me or Shrike.I'm not voting her.
I don't see it. And tf should I vote you if you're Town. Are you scum?Then you can vote me or Shrike.
I'm having a strong feeling Shrike and Nat are scum here. Or maybe one of them at least.
LOL yes, you know I am preparing a doctorate!It's a weak push is what I'm basing my argument on. What didn't you understand about subjective opinions? Haven't you written an analytical paper or anything?
Subjective opinions are only called out after they have been proven wrong. The only way to prove a subjective opinion wrong in mafia is via flips in regards to suspicions on players because subjective opinions, at their core, aren't based on evidence that is justifiable.
I am town! Then what's your opinion on Shrike then?I don't see it. And tf should I vote you if you're Town. Are you scum?
Good luck on the doctorate!LOL yes, you know I am preparing a doctorate!
However, all pushes are weak today. Your push on a weak push is weak too. Precisely because they’re all weak pushes on subjectivity.
Well you said it, we need your flip and then we’ll be proven right![]()
I don't see it. And tf should I vote you if you're Town. Are you scum?
I don't have any yet.I am town! Then what's your opinion on Shrike then?
Good luck on the doctorate!
My flip will be town.
I am not ignoring your question about Nat since our discussion is right there. We went back and forth about LM, and I wondered if I am on the right track by voting him since everyone was too calm. Seems like I was right to move my vote as I rattled a nest, you started dropping omgsuses everywhere.You clearly back tracked since you were pushing the angle of Ratchet and me being scum and then said you were lynching to not verify a link.
Plus, thanks for ignoring my question of your read on Nat.
They can ISO me too and see if I was soft defending ratchet and "being fake" which, again, is a subjective opinion. Not evidence.
It wasn't an omgus at all.I am not ignoring your question about Nat since our discussion is right there. We went back and forth about LM, and I wondered if I am on the right track by voting him since everyone was too calm. Seems like I was right to move my vote as I rattled a nest, you started dropping omgsuses everywhere.
Okay, let's drop the technicalities then - you are defensive in all the wrong ways. Why would I remove my vote from LM and create a ruckus if I am scum? Scum was obviously perfectly content with how the dp was going, 4 hours before EOS everyone is silent and nobody is counterpushing anything. Kinda sus, you'll agree.It wasn't an omgus at all.
1) The very definition of omgus is using one's vote as a defense rather than defending first. Which is clearly the opposite of our interaction.
2) Omgus day 1 isn't usually scum indicative much.
3) I know that I'm town, and if I see an interaction going in a direction that I don't like against me, I'm more likely to scum read my accusers because scum are least flexible in their reads and strive for a mislynch.
So, no. It wasn't omgus at all, bro.
You. Read the goddam thread.
4 hours before EOS everyone is silent and nobody is counterpushing anything. Kinda sus, you'll agree.
And I don't want to lynch him yet.Scum isn't worried cause Usopp is getting lynched
No, this I agree on. That's why I refrained from commenting on that part of your post. I went and ISO'd, and you were actually flexible on your LM read.Okay, let's drop the technicalities then - you are defensive in all the wrong ways. Why would I remove my vote from LM and create a ruckus if I am scum? Scum was obviously perfectly content with how the dp was going, 4 hours before EOS everyone is silent and nobody is counterpushing anything. Kinda sus, you'll agree.
Yeah but I hate that we can't lynch his scumbuddy as well.
It doesn't actually show that I'm scummy, though. Like I said, gut reads stem from something.
1) Tone, gut, instinct.. whatever you call it. They don't come out of thin air. Reads without substantiation is what scum use to push cases and lynches on players.
2) Not to mention, the case of Ratchet and me being buddies can only be the case when I oppose his wagon, or hard defend him against any accusation. So far, though, I have only defended my own point of why I thought his aggressiveness was him trying to push the day phase.
3) Gut reads is a poor read to push on. Why? Because it's based on subjectivity. Subjective reads can only be called out after they have been proven wrong.
From the above three points, clearly, the only push on me based on gut and scum buddy with ratchet can be a scum motivated push.
[Vote Lynch TAC]
Don't like either of them. Kvothe was unusually aggressive, and then decided to fluff, pretty uncharacteristic.No, this I agree on. That's why I refrained from commenting on that part of your post. I went and ISO'd, and you were actually flexible on your LM read.
I was making a note of that in my PM, as you know very well from your game haha. I'm rereading the thread. Gimme a minute.
What's your read of Oni and Kvothe?
i actually do kinda see it ngl@Ekkologix @OniKaido @Flower @A I Z E N @Hayumi @Tiffany @John Wayne come vote Shrike or Nat with me.
I'm having a strong feeling one of them is scum.
Why notAnd I don't want to lynch him yet.
I've seen scum Shrike in FMA and DBZ. There I recall he was committed to a mango push in FMA. So it's not commitment that's the problem here. What caught my eye was him calling Ratchet and me buddies, but not lynching verify a link. He said that he also read me as fake.Do you think Shrike would commit as early as hard as scum? Seems a bit risky play from him.
How can I be sure? What's with you people and asking if I have some kind of irrefutable prood today. Blame me if Lind/Rathet aren't scum, that's fine. Just carry your own weight vote-wise.You are that sure we already caught two scum players?
Ratchet and Lind are not noobies.
Can't get a read on him yet. Could be anything.Why not
@John Wayne due to tags I have been not reading thread in order and cannot find it - where is your ISO of Natalija that was mentioned?
I'm not liking my interaction with Shrike here. He could be scum tbh. Not sure how I feel about Nat just following him.
and are ur pushes any better?LOL yes, you know I am preparing a doctorate!
However, all pushes are weak today. Your push on a weak push is weak too. Precisely because they’re all weak pushes on subjectivity.
Well you said it, we need your flip and then we’ll be proven right![]()
How can I be sure? What's with you people and asking if I have some kind of irrefutable prood today. Blame me if Lind/Rathet aren't scum, that's fine. Just carry your own weight vote-wise.
I mentioned that Kvothe wasn't easy for me to read as town earlier. I too feel like she may be scum here, not sure. I wanted your opinion on her.Don't like either of them. Kvothe was unusually aggressive, and then decided to fluff, pretty uncharacteristic.
Oni seemed neutral to me until his weird "I am Aizen!" claim which was not good at all and seemed like scum trying to clear himself of being an indie by claiming something he is not.
Why are you asking about those two?
Oh wow, all that tagging smells like desparate scum even more![]()
What's the tl;dr on Rachet. Do a player a favor, goddamn!
> He's too aggressive and dipped early on.What's the tl;dr on Rachet. Do a player a favor, goddamn!
It's a weak push is what I'm basing my argument on. What didn't you understand about subjective opinions? Haven't you written an analytical paper or anything?
Subjective opinions are only called out after they have been proven wrong. The only way to prove a subjective opinion wrong in mafia is via flips in regards to suspicions on players because subjective opinions, at their core, aren't based on evidence that is justifiable.
oni is town idk about kvotheNo, this I agree on. That's why I refrained from commenting on that part of your post. I went and ISO'd, and you were actually flexible on your LM read.
I was making a note of that in my PM, as you know very well from your game haha. I'm rereading the thread. Gimme a minute.
What's your read of Oni and Kvothe?
nat might be the indie with that gameplay
one of shrike/ratchet is scum
I've seen scum Shrike in FMA and DBZ. There I recall he was committed to a mango push in FMA. So it's not commitment that's the problem here. What caught my eye was him calling Ratchet and me buddies, but not lynching verify a link. He said that he also read me as fake.
What's your opinion of that?
Nat reads TAC Town?
TAC is scum, then.
shrike maybeAnd if you had to yeet one of them, which one would you choose?
wanna CFD him?Nat reads TAC Town?
TAC is scum, then.
Why not? He's way too passive, too.wanna CFD him?
No.Really, I thought they know each other very well so their reads should be reliable in this respect?
You're on itThe Ekko lynch been leading for a while now. Feels too easy.
Who do you suggest? We could try resolving the JW/Lind vs Shrike/Nat thing, but I feel like both pairs have an agenda here, so not sure who of them is scum.TAC did not make any impression on me, would his lynch give us any useful info?
Not anymore.Usopp scum reading me, what else is new.
You're on it![]()
Who do you suggest? We could try resolving the JW/Lind vs Shrike/Nat thing, but I feel like both pairs have an agenda here, so not sure who of them is scum.
the timing of this is very poorThe Ekko lynch been leading for a while now. Feels too easy.
u come off as genuineI am on Ratchet, but not confident fully on this vote.
I am surprised I made your town core.
Still find him being hung up on my "activity excuse" bad. But he dropped it shortly after. Feel like scum could have pushed the angle more to get a mislynch on me rolling.What do you think about Ratchet? I am curious if Shrike is right about him being scum.
I'm trying to look through this. Gimme a few minutes.the timing of this is very poor
stop looking around for side options and please address the important matter
reads on shrike/ratchet/lind/nat pls