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Shizune said:
@WolfPrinceKouga btw what was the Lindsay Lohan role u referenced earlier
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Lindsay Lohan

[Parent Trap] - Every day phase until successful, Lindsay can target two sets of players(not including herself). If at least one set is male and female(if both are she can choose which one to go with), they will become the Lovers role, thereby becoming masons that will both die if either dies and they win together. This ability will fail if used on two roles of the same gender and/or on non-humans. If it fails she will be notified of the gender of the roles or if one or more was a non-human.

Lindsay wins if she manages to pair up two players and they win.

[Freaky Friday] - Every day phase until successful, Lindsay can target two sets of players. If they both have active abilities, they will have their ability sets swapped. This does not work on other independents and mafia members.

Lindsay wins if both players use the other players abilities successfully(as in, if one was a doctor the other would have to successfully protect someone, if the other was a cop then the other would have to scan someone as guilty).

[Mean Girls] - Every day phase, Lindsay can target a player. If that player is a Godfather or Cult Leader, she will depose them and become the new leader of the faction(the former leader will be offed by a bus). She will gain all of their abilities while retaining Freaky Friday and Parent Trap.

Lindsay wins if her mafia faction wins or if she is the last member of the faction alive.
 
Mexikorn said:
Would we have won the vote with sin on board
Why did we lose it
@Shizune
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Through the Ashe ability we lost


LG = 1
Is a = 0+1 = 1
Melodie = 1+1 = 2
Mystic = 1+1 = 2
LM = 1+1 = 2
Kouga = 1+1 = 2
-> Town voting Power = 10

Okosan = 1
-> Indie voting Power = 1 (+1 if jumping in towns train)

Mexi = 5
Sin = 1
Nessos = 1
-> Scum voting Power = 7

We could have Vote silenced one player -> Town voting Power would have been 8.
So we would have needed Okosans Vote to tie, but Okosan prefered to burry himself anyway.


Yeah we lost through thinking vote silence means to disable vote.
 
Nessos said:
In my opinion Kougas role was broken and scum from throwing the Game based on missunderstanding of an ability also sth. discussable. A missunderstanding the host didn't even try to clear up.

Besides these things it was a funny Ride and almost balanced.
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well. i guess this is all in hindsight and i might not be right on this but even though town made some mistakes, it feels like scum did make bigger ones. Minus the sin one from wpk because i sorta agree with wpk choosing town, it did fuck up indie. It didnt necessarily fuck up scum that hard because wpk believed sin could still be lynched and town spent two days on trying to lynch sin.

Im not sure why sin would reveal he is unlynchable lol but sure. town still has to find his other teammates.

the kill choices, i find were odd. i didnt quite understand dragomir and not offing LG after day 2 purely cause hes a tracker should be of a concern.

i would have also bussed oddjutsu and try for a bullshit claim against mystic or even ussop in the next phase. it feels like outing yourself early before knowing the rest of town abilities when you have massive vote powers was a little foolish.
 
WolfPrinceKouga said:
Don't play around with dangerous roles, just kill them. Getting fancy is how you lose games, I know from experience.

Even if LG went down then Usopp could have still killed Draven so not all was entirely lost if mafia chose better there.
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Again we had night protect. Sadly Okosan and Melodie choose to pic Odd and Mexikorn.
If one of them would have been Sin or me all of us would have been still alive, cause Sin and me were night immune and we could still dogde one kill aimed to us.

Yeah it was risky, but the Chance to loose was still quite low. Especially after missunderstanding an ability.
 
Nessos said:
Again we had night protect. Sadly Okosan and Melodie choose to pic Odd and Mexikorn.
If one of them would have been Sin or me all of us would have been still alive, cause Sin and me were night immune and we could still dogde one kill aimed to us.

Yeah it was risky, but the Chance to loose was still quite low. Especially after missunderstanding an ability.
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Only night protect I saw was Yuumi's one-shot, which saved Mexicorn from Okosan's kill. After that nothing, especially if Okosan tried another super on Mexicorn.
 
Kvothe Kingkiller said:
the kill choices, i find were odd. i didnt quite understand dragomir and not offing LG after day 2 purely cause hes a tracker should be of a concern.
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Dragomir was picked to give me towncreds.
The second one was Kouga, but he survived

Night 2 we went for DDL cause he was confirmed Towny by Kouga, but we doubt anyone would protect him.

At this point scum were still untouch with 2 of 4 being night immune and still having 1 universal kill dodge. So only needed to keep reducing Town Numbers while rising our vote power.


Sadly we missunderstood Vote silencing.
 
Nessos said:
Dragomir was picked to give me towncreds.
The second one was Kouga, but he survived

Night 2 we went for DDL cause he was confirmed Towny by Kouga, but we doubt anyone would protect him.

At this point scum were still untouch with 2 of 4 being night immune and still having 1 universal kill dodge. So only needed to keep reducing Town Numbers while rising our vote power.


Sadly we missunderstood Vote silencing.
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yeah i guess we can go with a lot of what if moments all we want with kills and it wont go anywhere but i still think outing yourself was a big mistake. I wouldve bit the bullet on letting oddjutsu die and try to save yourself next phase.
 
Kvothe Kingkiller said:
yeah i guess we can go with a lot of what if moments all we want with kills and it wont go anywhere but i still think outing yourself was a big mistake. I wouldve bit the bullet on letting oddjutsu die and try to save yourself next phase.
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Again we played risky and outing ourself based on missunderstanding our role.

If Melodie would have gotten lynched instead Mexikorn. Usopp most likely would have still gone for me like anyone else told him to do.
At the night after we would have gone for Oko anyway to save Mexikorn getting killed from Oko.

Followed by lynching the next Town.


But again didn't Work cause Vote silence only set vote power to 0 something we did not know.
 
Nessos said:
Again we played risky and outing ourself based on missunderstanding our role.

If Melodie would have gotten lynched instead Mexikorn. Usopp most likely would have still gone for me like anyone else told him to do.
At the night after we would have gone for Oko anyway to save Mexikorn getting killed from Oko.

Followed by lynching the next Town.


But again didn't Work cause Vote silence only set vote power to 0 something we did not know.
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And you guys had no vote power anyway so it didn't matter
 
Nessos said:
Again we played risky and outing ourself based on missunderstanding our role.

If Melodie would have gotten lynched instead Mexikorn. Usopp most likely would have still gone for me like anyone else told him to do.
At the night after we would have gone for Oko anyway to save Mexikorn getting killed from Oko.

Followed by lynching the next Town.


But again didn't Work cause Vote silence only set vote power to 0 something we did not know.
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even if you didnt know about vote silence it was just still too big of a risk because you dont know what melodie or what mystic had so you outed yourself entirely. They could have negated your vote ability as melodie could bring up or role crush you. anything really.

I sorta understand where you are coming from though but to me, i feel the risk was not necessary.
 
Kvothe Kingkiller said:
I sorta understand where you are coming from though but to me, i feel the risk was not necessary.
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The risk became neccesary because of Mexikorns play and not being able to bust anyone besides Odd.

Through Odds passive we didn't have much freedom in playing.

Funny how Odd was raging about Mexikorn and I told him he should calm down explaining him that we can't bust him and have to find another way xD
 
Protip: is you believe mafia has vote majority but the game is still going, it probably means town can still win this with abilities and the host is waiting to see if it will happen.

A lot of the time, this town winning scenario is extremely unlikely, but the host is forced to keep going just in case. Openwolfing will greatly increase the chance it will happen, though, and is almost never worth it.

I do agree the scenario kind of sucks gameplay wise (I've been in it as a host before many times). One solution I'm using lately is to have in the rules that mafia wins if they have numbers majority, regardless of votes. Another one I used in my last game was to have vote power abilities be one-shots so they were not likely to be seen in the end (though this is not guaranteed to work). Another one I've seen recently in a game I played was have vote power abilities only work if the game has 5 or more players. I might use that one in my own games in the future.

That said, after my recent negative experience as a host, I think I lean on the side of defending hosts for game design now. Designing role madness is hard as fuck, and nobody deserves to be accused of rigging a game if it turns out to be a stomp. The nature of the format is such that even if the balance is perfectly fair, landslide victories are still likely to happen. And a perfectly balanced game only exists on paper, too. There's usually some roles that end up over/underpowered.

TL;DR: this is just a game, don't be dicks because of it
 
Dragon D. Luffy said:
Protip: is you believe mafia has vote majority but the game is still going, it probably means town can still win this with abilities and the host is waiting to see if it will happen.
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Again we know that Town could still win by aiming all kills at Mexicorn.

But after Day 2 it was already hard for us to keep in, so many Town halfway confirmed and as I mentioned busting was no real option.

Thats why we had to take the risk and through our night survivability our chances of winning wasn't too bad. But yeah this calculation was also made based on the missunderstanding of "vote silence".

And it is discussable if host should interfere or hint If scumteam make a plan based on a missunderstanding of one of their own abilities.
 
Ah yeah I forgot to mention. I choose to revive ddl simply because oddjutsu made sure to talk about janitor multiple times. Felt more confident on getting a kill than reviving cooler and having to guess who killed him to be able to use my one shot kill. God forbid if I can't kill anyone cuz the reason he died is cuz he killed himself than mafia killing him.

Basically I valued the ability to kill over getting a confirmed scum call from cooler
 
Melodie said:
Ah yeah I forgot to mention. I choose to revive ddl simply because oddjutsu made sure to talk about janitor multiple times. Felt more confident on getting a kill than reviving cooler and having to guess who killed him to be able to use my one shot kill. God forbid if I can't kill anyone cuz the reason he died is cuz he killed himself than mafia killing him.

Basically I valued the ability to kill over getting a confirmed scum call from cooler
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You took away my chance for redemption :C
 
Nessos said:
And it is discussable if host should interfere or hint If scumteam make a plan based on a missunderstanding of one of their own abilities.
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It's not a host's job to interfere with such things. If you ask them a question that they can answer without confirming things, then it would be good on them to answer the question but not absolutely necessary in cases where you are trying to work out an opposing sides ability especially if you don't even know if it's real.

From what I can see in your scumchat you didn't even ask Shizune about the vote silence thing until after day phase 4 started.
 
Cooler said:
I was right though lol. I just didn't want him to tunnel on Santi for days so thought it would be good to remove him as I didn't have a view on Santi one way or the other.

I was legit super tired tbh.
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If you went to lynch Oddjutsu that's fine, but it was a scummy thing to talk about thinking Oddjutsu scummy but not voting him, instead voting for Oddjutsu's target.
 
WolfPrinceKouga said:
If you went to lynch Oddjutsu that's fine, but it was a scummy thing to talk about thinking Oddjutsu scummy but not voting him, instead voting for Oddjutsu's target.
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Meh. I didn't have the energy to push a lynch on him and I said I thought he was off but I didn't have a firm scum read...

I was planning to play the long game and try and catch him out D2 when I was more with it.
 
WolfPrinceKouga said:
From what I can see in your scumchat you didn't even ask Shizune about the vote silence thing until after day phase 4 started.
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I know we didn't and we may should have earlier. But didn't thought about asking, because for me vote silencing means disable votes.

Yeah a mistake I will never make again. From now on I will ask out every host about every tiny detail and what ifs^^
 
Read up on the thread. Ignoring the current unsightly meltdown, some thoughts.

-Scum really did fawn out over me hunting for votes. I knew the best way to play it was to open here, but I didn't think it would have 4 scum go out of their way to interact with me.

-I'm not counting this as a mislynch against my record. Haven't been mislynched in ages, so I'm kind of clutching at straws here, but eh. I did think my vote power would have been increased though, not sure if it was on that vote count and I just missed it.

-I googled Yuumi. I deeply, deeply regret this post:
Ratchet said:
Oh, I really shouldn't :blu
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-I'll happily play in your next big game @Shizune. I will say though after this Favourites I don't think I'll be playing here for a while, I really can't tolerate this place more than in short bursts.

On a somewhat unrelated note, it was pretty frustrating to see @WolfPrinceKouga make something like 120 posts in this game while being a hard inactive not posting for almost two full cycles in mine before he was replaced. I stopped myself from saying anything at all here as Shizune deserves that level of respect (something that appears to be in short supply with some players) from me. By all rights I shouldn't be saying anything at all here but eh, I have my limits. It was pretty upsetting to be showed such a complete lack of respect by a player I thought would at least show me some courtesy and was one of integrity. I won't comment any further here as it's an issue I'll be addressing there when that game is done, but yeah, it was infuriating. I'm not going to lie, and yeah it's petty, but between WPK's conduct out of this game and the vulgar meltie going on here it kind of makes me not want to play here much which I guess is why despite mostly enjoying the game I'm not particularly looking forward to playing on NarutoForums again.

Well, I've said my piece. Despite the above paragraph I did enjoy my time in this game and I'd like to thank @Shizune for inviting me to play, and for hosting. From what I've seen the balance looked fine to me within reason. I mean when you combine role madness and highly atypical abilities there is going to be a degree of randomness to how things go down, which is why it's more important than ever to focus on doing the fundamentals correctly. You play to the whistle and Mafia checked out early, I imagine it's an infuriating loss but put the frustration aside and there is a good lesson to be learned here.
 
Nessos said:
Yeah a mistake I will never make again. From now on I will ask out every host about every tiny detail and what ifs^^
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It feels like you're saying this facetiously (apologies if it's not the case, just how it comes across to me) but this is genuinely good practice and what you should be doing when you're not highly familiar with a lot of very rare role combinations. And sometimes, even when you are. There's no such thing as a stupid question etc. Role PM's are meant to convey it all clearly but sometimes that's just impossible, so getting confirmation of how things work is a great habit to get into. Now if you take it to the extreme and ask about things you already understand just to be annoying that's a different matter, but I'm genuinely surprised not a single one of the Mafia team checked for this clarification early on.
 
Ratchet said:
Now if you take it to the extreme and ask about things you already understand
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There are many things I didn't know and never think about asking.
I mean Shizune is also the first host ever seen with kill order. So 2 killers can't kill each with faction kill always having a higher priory.

Before playing on NF vig and mafia killer shooting each other Always resulted in them killing each other.

There is a lot of mechanic stuff that can extremly differ based on host, which I didn't know.
On TB and OJ "Vote silence" was Always disable vote and not only setting votes to 0.
 
anyways final comments from me then ill prob stop replying in this thread.

i had fun this game, there were some tilting moments and there were at times when i felt activity was a little bit lacking. But i liked the roles for the most part, i think karma was my favorite actually since it was a bit of a spin on her pacifist character as a serial killer. Ultimately, I do feel bad for okosan because it was a tough spot for him to win.

so thanks for the game again @Shizune we should get some more free time to play if i wasnt playing ranked or valorant (along with wad)

like an old fashion league game @Lord Genome coulda saved me but didnt. almost threw the game but we won regardless @is a

and i was the sacrifice :pepedab
 
SinRaven said:
Tfw Mexikorn made the most suspicious post with his first post of the game and I have to ignore it :catshivers
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Followed by him metaing himself what we also had to ignore....
Should have dissappeared as you did... @Lord Genome pointed it out the right way...

It was so hard to ignore Santis read after I asked him... Cause of Odds passive bussing would have been dangerous....
 
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