Game Warcraft III: The Scourge of Lordaeron (Alliance wins!)

[Nello]

Nope, specially when they dont know about that funny thing you said in the qt today.

OMG don't say that, you'll ruin everything!!!!!!

 

[Alwaysmind]

As long as they don't find out that @hammer is the GF, we have this in the bag.

 

[White Wolf]

Now... who's joking and who's actually scum blending into the joke claims

 

[Hyperion1O1]

Now... who's joking and who's actually scum blending into the joke claims

Kill them all, we're bound to hit one eventually

 

[White Wolf]

Kill them all, we're bound to hit one eventually

Sounds reasonable. Starting from Nello and going from there.

 

[SinRaven]

Sounds reasonable. Starting from Nello and going from there.

Mello*

 

[Stelios]

Now... who's joking and who's actually scum blending into the joke claims

Smoke and mirrors
The replies after Nighty's are all intentional

 

[White Wolf]

Mello*

Well I do owe the harlot a painful death one of these days though I forgot the reason for it already

Smoke and mirrors
The replies after Nighty's are all intentional

I mean in Favorites Nello did the same thing and he flipped scum, so...

It's definitely questionable

 

[Nello]

Don't get distracted by these cheap attempts to confuse town

 

[Dr. White]

How does one go about being recruited by the burning legion and gaining immeasurable power

Tribute
[vote lynch Nello]

 

[Nello]

@WADsworth the Wise do you want to earn yourself a new avatar?

 

[Dr. White]

also hyperion always scum

 

[Stelios]

Don't get distracted by these cheap attempts to confuse town

You are part of them you fluffcumster

 

[Katsuargi]

[vote lynch Hyperion]

I see your lynch targeting and match you with my own.

 

[Hyperion1O1]

[vote lynch Hyperion]

I see your lynch targeting and match you with my own.

I raise your call

[super vote lynch Katsuargi]

Also fuck you White. Only in the OBD am I given scum roles because its too meta for me not have one.

 

[Dr. White]

I raise your call

[super vote lynch Katsuargi]

Also fuck you White. Only in the OBD am I given scum roles because its too meta for me not have one.

It's not a section thing, it's a destiny thing

 

[Hyperion1O1]

Bitch, that Bloodborne Mafia, I was the baby's bodyguard. That Adventure Time mafia, I was Flame Princess.

All the other mafias I've joined in OBD, its either scum or thematically bad guy in lore even if town in game.

 

[Dr. White]

Bitch, that Bloodborne Mafia, I was the baby's bodyguard. That Adventure Time mafia, I was Flame Princess.

All the other mafias I've joined in OBD, its either scum or thematically bad guy in lore even if town in game.

Wrest thyself from these illusions and accept thy inner darkness.

 

[Katsuargi]

When I get around to running a game, Hype, I promise you a fair role of the dice untainted by memes.

 

[Hyperion1O1]

When I get around to running a game, Hype, I promise you a fair role of the dice untainted by memes.

But a game without memes is like a sandwich without bread

@Dr. White

This mafia section purifies me from the scummy taint of the OBD.

 

[Dr. White]

But a game without memes is like a sandwich without bread

@Dr. White

This mafia section purifies me from the scummy taint of the OBD.

So then you're town this game?

 

[Hyperion1O1]

So then you're town this game?

I will not confirm nor deny so I don't get my body riddled with holes from mafia/town

Very vague *shitty hand gestures

 

[SinRaven]

I will not confirm nor deny so I don't get my body riddled with holes from mafia/town

Very vague *shitty hand gestures

Soooo... indie?

 

[hammer]

[vote lynch cubey]

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

I will not confirm nor deny so I don't get my body riddled with holes from mafia/town

Very vague *shitty hand gestures

this doesn't leave me brimming with confidence and is actually a very poor excuse

if you're not mafia then you're already a mafia target (because that's their win con surely) so should have no trouble confirming to us that you're town as it won't put you in any kind of undue risk as long as you don't role reveal.

whereas if you're mafia then you might be reluctant to say that you're town in case there's some sort of lie detector mechanic or some other way such a statement could come back to bite you later.

inb4 "I'm indie"

[Change Vote Lynch Hyperion1O1]

 

[Hyperion1O1]

this doesn't leave me brimming with confidence and is actually a very poor excuse

if you're not mafia then you're already a mafia target (because that's their win con surely) so should have no trouble confirming to us that you're town as it won't put you in any kind of undue risk as long as you don't role reveal.

whereas if you're mafia then you might be reluctant to say that you're town in case there's some sort of lie detector mechanic or some other way such a statement could come back to bite you later.

inb4 "I'm indie"

[Change Vote Lynch Hyperion1O1]

I don't think there are indies in this game.

I mean, how could you have indies in this game, the factions won't allow it. And no, I'm not indie.

Someone can investigate or lie detect this statement right now then:

I AM TOWN

 

[Nello]

5. Faction and alignment are separate. The factions are listed below and determine a role's color. Every character has both a faction and an alignment of either innocent or guilty.

So either this means that someone among the scum faction are actually good guys, or there's lie detection in the game, right?

 

[Hyperion1O1]

I mean, the only thing I could think of would be Scourge and CotD turning on the Burning Legion (because Lich King wants to be independent).

Blackrock Clan is basically fodder for Burning Legion.

 

[Nello]

Or there are people who pretend to be good guys but are actually bad guys

 

[White Wolf]

So either this means that someone among the scum faction are actually good guys, or there's lie detection in the game, right?

There's miller's/death miller's and probably more hence you can be a good guy or a bad guy but show up as a bad guy or a good guy. Though that's pretty common either way where investigations can be muddied.

Like last game I was town but showed as guilty cos lolrogue but I still dominated

 

[Hyperion1O1]

Or there are people who pretend to be good guys but are actually bad guys

Arthas, Sylvanas, Kel'thuzad (prior to joining Scourge is Kirin Tor)

Wait, do we have Kael'thas and Illidan Stormrage here this game

 

[Nello]

Arthas, Sylvanas, Kel'thuzad (prior to joining Scourge is Kirin Tor)

Wait, do we have Kael'thas and Illidan Stormrage here this game

IIRC Kel was evil from the start of WC3 Reign of Chaos
Kael doesn't appear until the later expansion WC3 Frozen Throne
Illidan was a big part of both WC3 games

 

[Hyperion1O1]

I mean, he could appear as Kirin Tor ally at first then turn to full blown Scourge when he wants to

 

[Jeroen]

 

[Dr. White]

I will not confirm nor deny so I don't get my body riddled with holes from mafia/town

Very vague *shitty hand gestures

Oh, Hyperion.

 

[Jeroen]

I don't know who I want to lynch more, Nello or Hyperion.

 

[White Wolf]

I don't know who I want to lynch more, Nello or Hyperion.

Lynch one kill the other

 

[Nello]

I've done nothing wrong

 

[Hero]

Let's make this more active than Favorites

 

[Jeroen]

Lynch one kill the other

That still doesn't solve the problem though.

 

[White Wolf]

That still doesn't solve the problem though.

Yes

 

[Jeroen]

Yes

Why would I RNG it.
I'd just end up disagreeing with the result regardless of what it is.

 

[White Wolf]

Why would I RNG it.
I'd just end up disagreeing with the result regardless of what it is.

Then lynch Nello for justice and the path to lynching Mello next day phase

 

[Nello]

If I get lynched I don't want to see "lolmeme" as an excuse

 

[Jeroen]

Then lynch Nello for justice and the path to lynching Mello next day phase

Why would I want to lynch Melodie ?

 

[White Wolf]

Why would I want to lynch Melodie ?

Burn the harlot and burn the evil among us

 

[Evil C.C.]

Burn the harlot and burn the evil among us

>burning evil
But i dindu notin

 

[Dr. White]

>burning evil
But i dindu notin

?

 

[White Wolf]

>burning evil
But i dindu notin

That's the problem, do something

 

[Jeroen]

Burn the harlot and burn the evil among us

How is burning you relevant to lynching Melodie ?

 

[White Wolf]

How is burning you relevant to lynching Melodie ?

I'm not a harlot
Are you sleep deprived again?

 

[Evil C.C.]

?

Pun of my name

That's the problem, do something

[Vote lynch White Wolf]

 

[Jeroen]

I'm not a harlot
Are you sleep deprived again?

I'm not sleep deprived.
I could use some sleep, sure, but that's me all day every day.

I was planning on going to bed early to be awake for WAD's game, but this game started, so that plan went poof.

 

[White Wolf]

Pun of my name



[Vote lynch White Wolf]

I'm not sleep deprived.
I could use some sleep, sure, but that's me all day every day.

I was planning on going to bed early to be awake for WAD's game, but this game started, so that plan went poof.

So many words

*goes to sleep*

 

[Dr. White]

Pun of my name



[Vote lynch White Wolf]

Yeah I got it after lol.

also Hammer on that nonsense cubey vote and dip meta

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I know role revealing is not only cheesy but a bad idea wth punish mechanics, but I wonder how viable faction claiming is

 

[Mickey Mouse]

[vote lynch Katsuargi]

Because you're the only one I know here

Brother?

gotta get back into the swing of actual mafia and not cb mafia

Instead of focusing on on being a god damn nerd like you were in the Rick and Morty game.

Interesting that you drop that name

Also who do you take me for

I'm gonna solo Kil'jaeden

Gul'dan is more likely in this game and you have been known to play hero ball.

 

[Jeroen]

I wonder how viable faction claiming is

I'm assuming you're referring to the list in the OP.
What makes you think scum will only be in specific factions ?
I mean, it might make sense lore wise (no idea, I've never played), but wouldn't that be too easy ?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I'm assuming you're referring to the list in the OP.
What makes you think scum will only be in specific factions ?
I mean, it might make sense lore wise (no idea, I've never played), but wouldn't that be too easy ?

I mean, as others said it's very likely that we will have some defectors/traitors, but I think that makes it even more viable of a strategy to be honest.

If enough people do it, we can start figuring out who is NOT in the faction they claim to belong to by PoE, or have an easier time of figuring out who the potential turncoats are.

 

[Jeroen]

I mean, as others said it's very likely that we will have some defectors/traitors, but I think that makes it even more viable of a strategy to be honest.

If enough people do it, we can start figuring out who is NOT in the faction they claim to belong to by PoE, or have an easier time of figuring out who the potential turncoats are.

I'll just assume you know better in this case.

 

[Nello]

I mean, as others said it's very likely that we will have some defectors/traitors, but I think that makes it even more viable of a strategy to be honest.

If enough people do it, we can start figuring out who is NOT in the faction they claim to belong to by PoE, or have an easier time of figuring out who the potential turncoats are.

Interesting

Can you repeat that but this time i'm 5 years old

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Interesting

Can you repeat that but this time i'm 5 years old

claim which faction of the alliance ur in cuz it'll be easier to narrow down who is burning legion eventually

 

[Nello]

claim which faction of the alliance ur in cuz it'll be easier to narrow down who is burning legion eventually

We don't know how many there are in each faction and I don't see how turncoats makes this method more reliable

 

[Mickey Mouse]

claim which faction of the alliance ur in cuz it'll be easier to narrow down who is burning legion eventually

I am wondering if all factions are built the same way. Because if it is that is pretty broken towards town.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

We don't know how many there are in each faction and I don't see how turncoats makes this method more reliable

we can have a fairly good idea how many are in each faction with lore knowledge

for instance i know that there is at least six in mine

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I am wondering if all factions are built the same way. Because if it is that is pretty broken towards town.

you mean numbers wise?

for sure nah

for example one has at least 6, one I don't think has more than 4 and there's 1 where I can't for the life of me think of more than 2

 

[Mickey Mouse]

We don't know how many there are in each faction and I don't see how turncoats makes this method more reliable

I can see only specific characters being turn coats under certain conditions. Then also their is the cult of the damned which can really fuck up things...for everyone but themselves.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

you mean numbers wise?

for sure nah

for example one has at least 6, one I don't think has more than 4 and there's 1 where I can't for the life of me think of more than 2

Well I am saying what if each town faction knows the other members of said faction and can just all mass back each other? Why would they not?

 

[Nello]

we can have a fairly good idea how many are in each faction with lore knowledge

for instance i know that there is at least six in mine

Fairly good but far from accurate and how do turncoats help here

To me it sounds like an easy opportunity for scum to confuse and misdirect but you're the veteran

 

[Shizune]

Vote count

WAD - Melodie
Nighty - Sin > Hyperion
Hyperion - Katsuargi
Sin - Melodie
Legend - Superman
Stelios - Waffles
Alwaysmind - Melodie
Dr. White - Nello
Katsuargi - Hyperion
hammer - God
Evil C.C. - White Wolf

Melodie - 3
Hyperion - 2
Katsuargi - 1
Superman - 1
Mr. Waffles - 1
Nello - 1
God - 1
White Wolf - 1​

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Well I am saying what if each town faction knows the other members of said faction and can just all mass back each other? Why would they not?

this worries me a bit because

im town and i know i don't know the other members in my faction

but the way YOU word is...suspicious, you see

because if you were town, and you thought that was a possibility, it means that you are Masons with those in your faction

but your curiosity had a cadence of cautiousness to it

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

for instance i know that there is at least six in mine

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Fairly good but far from accurate and how do turncoats help here

To me it sounds like an easy opportunity for scum to confuse and misdirect but you're the veteran

oh i understand that's a reasonable concern, and honestly it might not even be the most viable strategy...in fact it could still very well work against us

but while apprehensiveness towards me is warranted don't get too paranoid

in time, it'll be revealed who I am

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Problem?

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

Problem?

stop lording lore knowledge

 

[Nello]

oh i understand that's a reasonable concern, and honestly it might not even be the most viable strategy...in fact it could still very well work against us

but while apprehensiveness towards me is warranted don't get too paranoid

in time, it'll be revealed who I am

So why did you propose it when you can't even explain yourself

 

[Shizune]

 

[Mickey Mouse]

So why did you propose it when you can't even explain yourself

This is a fairly good point. I now feel like this was a feeling out process for scum.

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

okay having done a google search I (think I) see what wad is implying now

that sort of works but also sort of doesn't work

for one thing I can't be the only player in the game who doesn't know jackshit about the lore outside of super basic stuff so if we're all faction revealing it's still ultimately up to a select few who DO know enough to either safeguard that for themselves or explain it to everyone else, neither of which I'm exactly fond of because it places the onus on a few people to lead town just because they have out of game knowledge which is statistically more easily abusable by a scum faction (because they can collude there's a X/26 chance of having a lore nerd instead of a 1/26 for everyone else).

on top of this, having googled some other faction names, none of the rest of them appear to have as obvious of a group limit, so I'm not sure how useful that actually is outside of narrowing people down unnecessarily. For example, let's assume there's some OP town role in one of the factions that you would know about if you had lore knowledge (I have no idea). Normally mafia has to pick out of like 20 people to hit that role but if we start faction revealing that becomes a much easier gamble to make.

discuss

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

stop lording lore knowledge

i probably am not even in the top 5 in this game of having lore knowledge tbh

for one i didnt play wc3, i only played WoW for a bit

So why did you propose it when you can't even explain yourself

This is a fairly good point. I now feel like this was a feeling out process for scum.

because i wanted to see what other people had to say about it

okay having done a google search I (think I) see what wad is implying now

that sort of works but also sort of doesn't work

for one thing I can't be the only player in the game who doesn't know jackshit about the lore outside of super basic stuff so if we're all faction revealing it's still ultimately up to a select few who DO know enough to either safeguard that for themselves or explain it to everyone else, neither of which I'm exactly fond of because it places the onus on a few people to lead town just because they have out of game knowledge which is statistically more easily abusable by a scum faction (because they can collude there's a X/26 chance of having a lore nerd instead of a 1/26 for everyone else).

on top of this, having googled some other faction names, none of the rest of them appear to have as obvious of a group limit, so I'm not sure how useful that actually is outside of narrowing people down unnecessarily. For example, let's assume there's some OP town role in one of the factions that you would know about if you had lore knowledge (I have no idea). Normally mafia has to pick out of like 20 people to hit that role but if we start faction revealing that becomes a much easier gamble to make.

discuss