Game Warcraft III: The Scourge of Lordaeron (Alliance wins!)

[Nighty the Mighty]

what are your thoughts on my thoughts

 

[SinRaven]

I agree with Nighty

 

[SinRaven]

Also I don't trust WAD

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

i think they are logical, cohesive, and a fairly good indicator that you're probably town all things considered

which makes this whole exercise worth imo

 

[Nello]

because i wanted to see what other people had to say about it

If you just wanted to foster discussion, why did you state your belief that faction claiming would work? And why would you state that when you allegedly didn't even play the game and couldn't explain your thought process?

 

[Nello]

This smells like backpedaling but i've been wrong before

 

[Hyperion1O1]

I only played WC3 and not WoW

I didn't even know my character existed until now

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

but i never asserted with confidence that it was the optimal play though

hence why i wanted to bounce the idea off others and see what they thought about it

 

[Hyperion1O1]

Brother?

Oh shit you're here bruva

 

[Nello]

but i never asserted with confidence that it was the optimal play though

hence why i wanted to bounce the idea off others and see what they thought about it

And yet you were assertive enough that Waffles believed you and you were fine with that. I'm sure a veteran like you knows how to walk a fine line

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I know role revealing is not only cheesy but a bad idea wth punish mechanics, but I wonder how viable faction claiming is

I mean, as others said it's very likely that we will have some defectors/traitors, but I think that makes it even more viable of a strategy to be honest.

If enough people do it, we can start figuring out who is NOT in the faction they claim to belong to by PoE, or have an easier time of figuring out who the potential turncoats are.

oh i understand that's a reasonable concern, and honestly it might not even be the most viable strategy...in fact it could still very well work against us

but while apprehensiveness towards me is warranted don't get too paranoid

in time, it'll be revealed who I am

i mean at no point did i really push for this tactic

i wanted to hear what people said on the subject first and i was then convinced theres too many drawbacks

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

And yet you were assertive enough that Waffles believed you and you were fine with that. I'm sure a veteran like you knows how to walk a fine line

hmmm the point of contention between me and waffles was his notion that scum would not be limited to their factions

to which i argued, why wouldnt they be

but now that i reflect, i suppose it IS possible there might be other anti-town entities that dont belong to those factions and it could fall under the moderator's umbrella warning of "i will lie to you"

but i thought that would just generally refer to death millers, fake writeups, and other shenanigans

 

[Nello]

I don't like how you're buttering up to Nighty and he's seemingly fallen for it if that friendly rating is anything to go by. I don't want any butter in my kitchen until we have any reasonable reason to believe someone is town

 

[Nello]

hmmm the point of contention between me and waffles was his notion that scum would not be limited to their factions

to which i argued, why wouldnt they be

but now that i reflect, i suppose it IS possible there might be other anti-town entities that dont belong to those factions and it could fall under the moderator's umbrella warning of "i will lie to you"

but i thought that would just generally refer to death millers, fake writeups, and other shenanigans

This was the last interaction between the two of you

I mean, as others said it's very likely that we will have some defectors/traitors, but I think that makes it even more viable of a strategy to be honest.

If enough people do it, we can start figuring out who is NOT in the faction they claim to belong to by PoE, or have an easier time of figuring out who the potential turncoats are.

I'll just assume you know better in this case.

 

[Nello]

K i'm gonna shut up now because everyone else is gone and i'm sure scum would love to see 2 people hog all the attention

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

I don't like how you're buttering up to Nighty and he's seemingly fallen for it if that friendly rating is anything to go by. I don't want any butter in my kitchen until we have any reasonable reason to believe someone is town

 

[White Wolf]

WAD you scum again?
Every time you make some convoluted game break attempt I see you flip mafia
Triggering my 3 time PTSD

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I don't like how you're buttering up to Nighty and he's seemingly fallen for it if that friendly rating is anything to go by. I don't want any butter in my kitchen until we have any reasonable reason to believe someone is town

its not that im buttering up to her, its that the way she worded her concerns and disapproval of my plan sounded very genuine; a townie who thinks that this could hurt us more than it could help us

so because of that ive read her as town

so in essence, i dont regret theorycrafting because it has netted me one good solid townread from the discussion

This was the last interaction between the two of you

yea but again jeroen's principle issue was the consideration that not all town enemies will belong to the clearly defined scum factions on the front page

WAD you scum again?
Every time you make some convoluted game break attempt I see you flip mafia
Triggering my 3 time PTSD

game break is a little bit of an exaggeration

but i dont think it was convoluted

 

[Shizune]

wait Nighty is a woman?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

that or a dude with a falsetto

 

[Shizune]

Well same

 

[Nello]

its not that im buttering up to her, its that the way she worded her concerns and disapproval of my plan sounded very genuine; a townie who thinks that this could hurt us more than it could help us

so because of that ive read her as town

so in essence, i dont regret theorycrafting because it has netted me one good solid townread from the discussion



yea but again jeroen's principle issue was the consideration that not all town enemies will belong to the clearly defined scum factions on the front page

It was already becoming clear that your plan was quite flawed so I see no reason to give her any town credit just yet

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

her credit is subjective to me

feel free to think of her however u wish but it would take some considerable happenings to occur for me to shift the paradigm of believing her to be town

and its not so much that the plan being so apparently flawed in design and someone contesting that which gives me that impression, but rather in the manner that she stated it which seemed authentic to me

 

[White Wolf]

which instances are u referring to actually?

Jesterfia, Vanillafia come to mind think there was one more... oh yeah the death miller ass where Waffle and Cat shafted you

and i mean, not trusting me without evidence to my innocence is a given, even if i do present a strategy that is wholesale pro-town without notable drawbacks because i often times will use that for credibility

also yes i am town

and i even soft-hinted to which faction i belong to, and before you wonder why i would do so unprompted because i want to leave evidence to my exact alignment in the event of my demise being janitored or something

The factions frankly don't mean a thing to me aside from Alliance good Burning bad I think /nogameknowledge
I know I'm in the alliance and that's all but what all the sub groups are wakarimasen

soft hints don't mean much also without someone else having a lot of game knowledge too

 

[Nello]

Well I can't argue with personal reads

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Jesterfia, Vanillafia come to mind think there was one more... oh yeah the death miller ass where Waffle and Cat shafted you


The factions frankly don't mean a thing to me aside from Alliance good Burning bad I think /nogameknowledge
I know I'm in the alliance and that's all but what all the sub groups are wakarimasen

soft hints don't mean much also without someone else having a lot of game knowledge too

How did I try to break the game in any of those games iyo?

Also, if you know you're Alliance, then shouldn't you also know which sub-faction you're in?

 

[Nighty the Mighty]

I know I'm in the alliance and that's all but what all the sub groups are wakarimasen

are you implying you literally only know you're in the alliance and don't have a sub-faction?

 

[White Wolf]

How did I try to break the game in any of those games iyo?

Also, if you know you're Alliance, then shouldn't you also know which sub-faction you're in?

In first you were baiting for cop and got cop killed (me)
in other you were still baiting cops while giving yourself a good position which is all game breaking scum play to me

are you implying you literally only know you're in the alliance and don't have a sub-faction?

and no I know my sub, I don't know what the point is in having so many subs was my point albeit worded confusingly

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Baiting cops isn't game breaking though it's just good scum play

 

[White Wolf]

Baiting cops isn't game breaking though it's just good scum play

It's game breaking good scum play which makes me more than have my brow raised when having to deal with you and I'm stuck as town so

I've got my eyes on you
I can't Rumple you this time but
I'll be watching

 

[Evil C.C.]

Tbh in a way Wad's action kinda seem like he is fishing for a certain factions character and is wants stuff narrowed down.

In a way if Arthus needs to be converted to his dark side that seems quite well tbh

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I don't think that's a good use of game breaking

Game breaking would be abusing or exploiting in game mechanics/abilities to make overcoming or defeating you very difficult to impossible

see: your bullshit Moltres stuff in Iconics

see: My attempt as Mafia copycat in Vanillafia to copy both lynchproof and bulletproof to become effectively immortal once the zombie threat was purged

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Tbh in a way Wad's action kinda seem like he is fishing for a certain factions character and is wants stuff narrowed down.

In a way if Arthus needs to be converted to his dark side that seems quite well tbh

yeah i understand how my posts this phase can give that impression

 

[White Wolf]

I don't think that's a good use of game breaking

Game breaking would be abusing or exploiting in game mechanics/abilities to make overcoming or defeating you very difficult to impossible

see: your bullshit Moltres stuff in Iconics

see: My attempt as Mafia copycat in Vanillafia to copy both lynchproof and bulletproof to become effectively immortal once the zombie threat was purged

Moltres Dahlia combo was just clever
and it didn't even kill as much as Taro/Dahlia did solo

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

being clever and breaking the game isnt mutually exclusive

in fact i would say that their relationships is causal

 

[Nello]

The factions frankly don't mean a thing to me aside from Alliance good Burning bad I think /nogameknowledge
I know I'm in the alliance and that's all but what all the sub groups are wakarimasen

and no I know my sub, I don't know what the point is in having so many subs was my point albeit worded confusingly

What did you mean by "and that's all"
What was that supposed to mean?

 

[White Wolf]

What did you mean by "and that's all"
What was that supposed to mean?

That's all that matters.

 

[Dr. White]

Sin lurking hard

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

everyone lurking hard

where da activity at doe

 

[Stelios]

Sin lurking hard

Dr White saying nothing of substance

 

[White Wolf]

everyone lurking hard

where da activity at doe

> 26 player game



Doesn't feel like it

 

[Dr. White]

Dr White saying nothing of substance

Not really, saw her lurking a good minute ago and was still doing so when I checked back in.

 

[Satsuki]

Daddy's here for you now....

Daddy is here

mmmmm Daddy

 

[Katsuargi]

It's day once. Beyond ability use all we have is bullshitting.

So activity levels will depend on how much bullshitting people feel like doing.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

It's day once. Beyond ability use all we have is bullshitting.

So activity levels will depend on how much bullshitting people feel like doing.

Oh, so you're mafia this time.

 

[Katsuargi]

An example of said bullshitting.

 

[SinRaven]

Sin lurking hard

Am I oh

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Yeah, except you're trying to unilaterially discredit all avenues of discussion today simply because it's Day 1 and attribute it to "lol bullshit" despite the fact that scumhunting can and does take please on Day 1.

So that leads me to believe you don't want us to be productive in our discussions, which means you're scum.

Kill this guy someone.

 

[SinRaven]

I thought I was lurking soft

 

[SinRaven]

See you guys next phase

 

[Katsuargi]

Huh. WAD's in full aggressive asshat mode.

Aggressive scum?
"No way he's scum because he's being so aggressive" scum?
Lynch bomb?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

You must be new here.

 

[Katsuargi]

Yup. Which means I'm a fresh set of eyes to call out shit when I see it.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I'm always in full aggressive asshat mode. That's my playstyle. And I feel like even though we have only played a few games together, you should know that.

So I think you're being disingenuous.

[Change Vote Lynch Katsuargi]

 

[Katsuargi]

If you think that based on this interaction, hahaha, holy shit you're bad at reading people.

 

[Katsuargi]

Or maybe just me since as you said, we haven't been in many games together.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I am inclined to read people who behave in an anti-town manner as anti-town, yeah.

 

[White Wolf]

With the factions stated are there any indies in this even?

 

[Katsuargi]

Oh boy, that's WAD's defense. If I flipped scum he'd be like "I called it" And if I flip town he'll be like "Meh, he was acting like scum so not my fault."

No personal responsibility.

Real town there broseph.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Also, your ostensible mindset lends itself to the confident notion that I'm town.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Oh boy, that's WAD's defense. If I flipped scum he'd be like "I called it" And if I flip town he'll be like "Meh, he was acting like scum so not my fault."

No personal responsibility.

Real town there broseph.

Well you are?

You're promoting discord and chaos by suggesting that nothing we could SAY on Day 1 matters because it's categorically bullshit.

That's anti-town behavior. Admit it.

 

[Nello]

 

[Katsuargi]

It is categorically bullshit unless you're decent at reading people at have established meta patterns from the people you're interacting with.

For anyone that doesn't interact with you fucks on a regular basis, yeah, gonna be a shit show.

Similarly, I'm guessing the majority of people here think they're way better at reading people than they really are.

So yes. Baring something resembling actual information being interjected into the system, day one is a role of the die.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

 

[SinRaven]

WAD is scum. I have proof.

 

[Satsuki]

WAD is scum. I have proof.

and are you going to share with the class?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Sin is clearly bored.

 

[SinRaven]

and are you going to share with the class?

I investigated him

He's scum

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

sin you're not me

dont do this fakeclaim nonsense

especially on me

 

[SinRaven]

Is it a fake claim though

I have a tRuthie meta now

Name me one game in which I lied recently

EXACTLY

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

 

[Dr. White]

I trust WAD like .001%. Fishing and going off on Katsu so blindly. Reminds me of his Hellsing mafia meta.

 

[White Wolf]

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

>going off on Katsu

???

 

[Dr. White]

>going off on Katsu

???

Yes you are going off on him with weak discord arguments, and usually you converse much more than this and build a better case

 

[SinRaven]

[Vote lynch WAD]

 

[SinRaven]

[Vote Lynch MeloDIE]

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

???


He literally came in, didn't comment on ANYTHING in the game going on whatsoever. (Granted, not a whole lot has been going on - sad, really.) Not even my thing about faction revealing and issued a blanket statement of "nothing what we say matters lolol its d1"

I then FoS'd him, which he dismissed as 'bullshitting'.

So when I then elucidated on why I thought he was scum or at least not playing pro-town based off that he called me 'an aggressive asshat'.

 

[Dr. White]

???


He literally came in, didn't comment on ANYTHING in the game going on whatsoever. (Granted, not a whole lot has been going on - sad, really.) Not even my thing about faction revealing and issued a blanket statement of "nothing what we say matters lolol its d1"

I then FoS'd him, which he dismissed as 'bullshitting'.

So when I then elucidated on why I thought he was scum or at least not playing pro-town based off that he called me 'an aggressive asshat'.

Well I do know him to get snarky when someone is coming at him, so maybe that's why I don't read that as scummy, but imo the argument is weak and he is just saying the generic "early game is nonsense" stuff that usually goes down in both OBD games and here which is why I'm so confused as to you being up in arms.

 

[SinRaven]

GUYS WAS IS SCUM

DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT

DOUBLE YOU WHY ES AI ES ES SEE YOU UM