Nessos
"HighFiveNight" - News
[Vote lynch SinRaven]
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Ratchet
The End and the Beginning
Ratchet
The End and the Beginning
Tbh, not sure how I feel about, er, tinky winky. They've been brought up a lot this game, but I can't seem to remember a single thing they've actually done.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Coo? (Why is this an "obvious thing to do" to you? Have you looked into that at all or are you just going purely based off of WPK's statement here)
Coooo! (Because honestly there's a lot of reasons that Odd could've been killed, and it seems weird that you instantly deflected off of this reason for some reason)
Nessos
"HighFiveNight" - News
Was this a punishment or was this Name His own choice xD
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Of course, good Mafia would kill townies that suspect other players, so they can benefit this way.
I still do not like Kvothe Kingkiller. @Kvothe Kingkiller, you have done something weird, didn't you?
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
I meant it is quite basic to look at suspects of killed townies and smart Mafia would take it into account. Of course I cannot exclude them trying reverse psychology.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Also, among the people that voted Santi there should be at least one Mafia. NoYou and Kvothe would be my candidates.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Coooooooo? (Yes but did you look into it? Okosan notices you avoided that question. Along with most of the questions Okosan asked)
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
I would need to reread posts, which I will do a bit later today.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Cooo! COO! (So you didn't look into Odd's reads, assumed that WPK was super correct in that, and then said that was an dobvious reason for the kill without actually knowing one way or the other? It seems a lot more to Okosan like someone talked about reasons to kill Cooler in your scum chat and you just brought that up on instinct)
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Coooo!! (Okosan on principle is just not doing this because last game there was a scum role that benefited off of getting votes (if Okosan is remembering correctly). But other people can feel free to do this)
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Coooooooo! (By last game Okosan means the last game in this series)
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Those who voted Ratchet last day phase are already on notice for that, and there shouldn't be votes Ratchet's way today either.
Ratchet
The End and the Beginning
I mean at this point it's pretty simple. As I've alluded to in thread, these ten votes will make my alignment about as clear as it can be. So... if you have a solid read either way then whatever. But if you're wavering like "hmm dunno whether to trust Ratchet or not" and I'm telling you you have a clear, easy way to get instant lock read on me, and you're avoiding that entirely? Yeah, not a great look to me. Not directed at anyone in particular BTW.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
COOOO! (Yeah honestly Okosan is still trusting you here right now, but on principle he's letting other people do it because Okosan doesn't want to be the reason you duped us just in case lmao)
Cooler
Well-Known Member
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
So checked back for anything more specific than just Cooler following Odd's vote on Santi for info, as to why he'd target Odd to be his friend and found this exchange :
Because of my hint?
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
I do think it's around a 99% chance that it's his own ability that killed him, as there's a low chance of super kills being blown n1+it would be bad play to kill off the counterwagon to a d1 mislynch+Cooler wasn't playing particularly well d1 to be deemed the biggest threat.
Odd is by far the likeliest target, with Ratchet being a distant second I could see considering that if he could prove Ratchet's innocence that would be a big boon to town.
Odd is by far the likeliest target, with Ratchet being a distant second I could see considering that if he could prove Ratchet's innocence that would be a big boon to town.
Ratchet
The End and the Beginning
...
I... I'm literally telling you that my innocence, or guilt, will be proven once I receive 5 more votes. You yourself admit this would be a big boon, yet you've probably been the biggest proponent against stacking these votes up. Like, just so we're fully clear, in no uncertain terms, part of what I get is my alignment being revealed.
I'm very confused.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
It would be a big boon to town if you could have an ability outside of yourself pointing towards your innocence without having to give you the votes, as the whole reason I'm against giving you said votes is I don't know if you're innocent or guilty. Cooler claiming you innocent with his prior day claim would be satisfactory to allow your ability through, as even if you both were scum together, you not following through with your claim would out the both of you.
Mexikorn
Sun
[Vote Lynch Oddjutsu]
You have a weird definition of useful.
So far the only thing he has done is make 5 people follow him on a very stupid wagon.
I will be looking at these people, too. I don't swallow a bunch of mafia veterans lynching Santi on D1 because "oddjutsu told to".
They spent most of the game banned, tbf.
Ratchet
The End and the Beginning
I'm still yet to see a valid reason as to what exactly you think the worst case scenario of me getting ten votes will mean. Like, do you think the game is going to end if I get 5 more votes on me? If you're worried about scum getting a powerful role, then the fact that I'm telling you my alignment gets revealed should quell those fears, as if it doesn't I'll just be lynched anyway. The idea that scum would become immune to lynches or whatever because they had ten votes placed on them over the course of the entire game is just silly to me, like really silly. Not to mention there would have been many better ways for me to play it than me coming here and begging for votes. So, what's the issue here?
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Shizune has had roles in these games that fuck people who just quote certain posts, so one that can fuck over a bunch of people for voting isn't far-fetched. One that's worth you being likely outed, and outing so early? More far-fetched sure, but not that improbable.
Above all, I don't feel town has need of mechanics to win, so I gravitate towards not valuing your potential ability if town, over the risk of allowing it if you're scum.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Fair enough. You have grown wise, my son.
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
Have I ever tried to buddy you as scum DDL?I don't like you flattering me when I don't know your alignment.
Ok, let's analyse what happened yesterday.
After having a cerebral argument with Ratchet about drugs, Oddjutsu blesses our humble town with this case:
At the time, Santi had 5 posts in the thread. 4 were complete fluff/jokes, and the 5th one was this:
Such smugness was a clear indication of having a red role PM, and it had to be punished. [sarcasm].
Odd was also salty at his usertitle being removed, a factor he claimed was not related to the case, but which he kept bringing up during the whole day phase.
Now let's see the trains of thought made by the people who decided this was the best lead to follow. I'm gonna skip Cooler's since we already know his alignment.
The 2nd voter of Santi was Melkor:
No arguments on his own. Just the undying belief in Oddjustsu's scumhunting skills. Preach.
The 3rd voter was Samael
He made his vote right after I posted a vote tally showing the poll was being led by Mexikorn and Dragomir (the vote tally I had to make because Mexikorn had posted one hiding all the votes on himself, btw).
I think Dragomir is most likely town (janitors kills make more sense to be a scum ability than town), which begs me to speculate if Samael wasn't protecting his teammate Mexikorn.
Because I don't know what else Samael was doing. He provides no explanation for this vote. Just jumps on the wagon.
Cooler is the 4th name on the Santi wagon.
Then we had this... sequence.
Later on, Samael would drop the Santi wagon and jump back to Dragomir.
He also claims it is to help Cooler. Cooler then tells him Santi has more votes, so he jumps back to Santi to "help" him better.
In reality, Mexikorn and Santi were tied for 2nd place in votes at this point, but Cooler didn't notice it and neither did Samael. Assuming he didn't have a teammate keeping track of the tally in the mafia QT.
So Santi and Cooler are now tied for 1st place, with Mexikorn coming right behind. Kvothe posts a vote count then puts Santi in the lead:
The only explanation I found was this:
But you didn't switch to Mexi or make a push on him, did you. You went for the townie.
Finally, the star of the game arrives to deal the last blow on Santi:
In Oddjutsu we trust.
But if Odd is wrong, he better be prepared to be blamed next day, as I already see Mexikorn doing.
After having a cerebral argument with Ratchet about drugs, Oddjutsu blesses our humble town with this case:
At the time, Santi had 5 posts in the thread. 4 were complete fluff/jokes, and the 5th one was this:
Such smugness was a clear indication of having a red role PM, and it had to be punished. [sarcasm].
Odd was also salty at his usertitle being removed, a factor he claimed was not related to the case, but which he kept bringing up during the whole day phase.
Now let's see the trains of thought made by the people who decided this was the best lead to follow. I'm gonna skip Cooler's since we already know his alignment.
The 2nd voter of Santi was Melkor:
No arguments on his own. Just the undying belief in Oddjustsu's scumhunting skills. Preach.
The 3rd voter was Samael
He made his vote right after I posted a vote tally showing the poll was being led by Mexikorn and Dragomir (the vote tally I had to make because Mexikorn had posted one hiding all the votes on himself, btw).
I think Dragomir is most likely town (janitors kills make more sense to be a scum ability than town), which begs me to speculate if Samael wasn't protecting his teammate Mexikorn.
Because I don't know what else Samael was doing. He provides no explanation for this vote. Just jumps on the wagon.
Cooler is the 4th name on the Santi wagon.
Then we had this... sequence.
[Vote Lynch Santi]
I'm down with this
[Change Vote Lynch Cooler]
Later on, Samael would drop the Santi wagon and jump back to Dragomir.
He also claims it is to help Cooler. Cooler then tells him Santi has more votes, so he jumps back to Santi to "help" him better.
In reality, Mexikorn and Santi were tied for 2nd place in votes at this point, but Cooler didn't notice it and neither did Samael. Assuming he didn't have a teammate keeping track of the tally in the mafia QT.
So Santi and Cooler are now tied for 1st place, with Mexikorn coming right behind. Kvothe posts a vote count then puts Santi in the lead:
The only explanation I found was this:
But you didn't switch to Mexi or make a push on him, did you. You went for the townie.
Finally, the star of the game arrives to deal the last blow on Santi:
In Oddjutsu we trust.
But if Odd is wrong, he better be prepared to be blamed next day, as I already see Mexikorn doing.
Here is my take.
Mexikorn is scum, and there was an effort to save him yesterday, most likely by Samael. Melkor and Kvothe are sketchy too and can be suspected.
Mystic's votes are garbage, but he's barely playing. He's good vig material.
Odd is most likely town, and he was just being a loony yesterday. Scum took advantage of it to get an easy mislynch and to blame him the following day.
[vote lynch NoYouCantChangeNamesOnNF]
Mexikorn is scum, and there was an effort to save him yesterday, most likely by Samael. Melkor and Kvothe are sketchy too and can be suspected.
Mystic's votes are garbage, but he's barely playing. He's good vig material.
Odd is most likely town, and he was just being a loony yesterday. Scum took advantage of it to get an easy mislynch and to blame him the following day.
[vote lynch NoYouCantChangeNamesOnNF]
Have I ever tried to buddy you as scum DDL?
In the past 5 years you were active in maybe 3 games that I played. I wouldn't remember.
If you ningens think you can get away with "in Odd we trust" as a reason to lynch someone on day 1, you got another thing coming.
It's one thing that Odd blindly trusts his ability to read people with one post, it's another one for half the town to trust him on that.
Do better than that, townies.
It's one thing that Odd blindly trusts his ability to read people with one post, it's another one for half the town to trust him on that.
Do better than that, townies.
Ekkologix
Blood Moon
so swain is considered the bad guy lol
Why do you think that?
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
NoYou and Oddjutsu are both fine wagons for today. The former for his indie hunting and being the likely save if there was one, Odd for being likely why Cooler died+Santi mislynch and the fuckery surrounding people following him of all players.
Ekkologix
Blood Moon
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
When someone dies and their rolecard is flipped, if it says alignment: innocent then they are good/town, if it says alignment: guilty they are bad/scum.isnt noxus supposed to be bad or thats not how it works here
It is unlikely that all of the mafia team are from the same in-universe faction, and a champion being considered part of the "bad guys" in lore doesn't mean that they have to be part of the bad guys in this game.
And I'm pretty sure like 80% of the characters in LoL don't fit with either Demacia or Noxus because the creators love coming up with new kingdoms or realms or whatever to take their characters from.
Ekkologix
Blood Moon
well you would still think characters like evelyn khazix and swain are bad i guess
If you are designing a mafia game, one of the biggest challenges is coming up with a setup that players can't solve by just massclaiming their characters and sorting out the evil ones. A lot of the time that is not possible and you have to resort to banning claiming.
If I am designing a LoL game, which has over a hundred characters and almost as many factions, I'll take that opportunity to make their alignments hard to figure out so players can't chesse the game that way. Since anyone can be fighting against anyone in this universe and it would still make sense.
Ekkologix
Blood Moon
makes sense else you can sometimes make an educated guess based on the discarded characters
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
define weird?
For all you boast about how town doesn't need game mechanics to win, your main reason to lynch Odd happens to be... game mechanics,
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
If the mechanics are already there in front of me, I'm not going to deny what they point to. I'll go against them if they go against my own personal read, and there is reason to doubt the mechanics being concrete. I'll also not risk scum getting an ability even if it gives town a chance to get an ability.
Currently, we saw the mechanics of Cooler's role, and all that we read within the game points to Oddjutsu as the target of his ability. Oddjutsu was already iffy just from stuff d1.
Lord Genome
Spiral King
Cooler almost certainly targeted mafia, I doubt there's a roll but if someone is able to see a players ability use history he's easily a good target(or if he's revived, his ability is pretty strong)
Lord Genome
Spiral King
Why would you target the host?
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
because its my one shot. I get to ask a question
I just hated how Mexicorn was preenptively setting a d2 lynch on Oddjutsu while following the Santi wagon himself.
That's basic scum behavior.
That's basic scum behavior.
Lord Genome
Spiral King
ok im good with that
Lord Genome
Spiral King
agreed
[vote lynch cantchangename]
also i have a couple characters in mind for ratchet but im trying to decide if someone who gets stronger with a certain ammount of votes would be a town
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
f off with that.
I'm town, I already said my reasons as to why I did that. It was 4 v 4 before I voted that late in the day and I'm glad I saved Cooler over the dude who was barely participating and it turns out he could have saved himself while telling Cooler if he has downs.
Lord Genome
Spiral King
whats ur opinion on mexicorn
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
still think hes scum. He voted for Santi even though he considers me and odd suspects but we were on Santi's train so why is he trusting odd and me and made the switch from drago to santi. Drago's death was also suspicious so I'm thinking he had a hand with that.
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
But there is something that is giving me little pause. I did use my one shot ask concerning him and one other person if they are the same alignment.
Lord Genome
Spiral King
are they the same?
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
Lord Genome
Spiral King
because if they are the same i think the other person is a hard town read tbh
Lord Genome
Spiral King
ok welp
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
well alignments can be faked or altered is what the explanation I got if I use my ask concerning alignments
It seems you know the other person in question james?
It seems you know the other person in question james?
Lord Genome
Spiral King
yea dont want to out it unless u die/i die/that person dies for obv reasons
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
you know for sure they are hard town?
Lord Genome
Spiral King
oh no just a read and hard town is actually probably to strong, i just like their posts mostly
Lord Genome
Spiral King
like i have concerns i guess but it would still be my town pile
and odds you got two mafia seem low idk
and odds you got two mafia seem low idk
Kvothe Kingkiller
Well-Known Member
so still a chance that they could be both scum together
Ishmael
I'm not impressed.
couldnt he have took a kill for whoever he befriended as well?
Lord Genome
Spiral King
He's immune to kills, the wording is important (he's murdered if friended a mafia)
tinky winky
Simpji
it seems like the mods here doest take kindly to a boy who grew up tending to a cock pen down in small town arkansas
Nessos
"HighFiveNight" - News
ScumRaven still not back 
Lord Genome
Spiral King
Gonna look and see who cooler would buddy with at night 
Lord Genome
Spiral King
ScumRaven still not back
Opinion on mexicorn?
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
By how Shizune does stuff, he was only immune to regular kills, not super kills. That is my reading of it based on prior Shizune games/many random design talks with them on Discord.
Lord Genome
Spiral King
Lord Genome
Spiral King
oh yeah sure a super would kill him but im making an assumption one wasnt used night 1. night 1 cooler would want to get his buddy picked to make use of his ability and hit the wrong person makes a lot more sense than a janitor AND a super kill night 1.
that was more a clarifying that he didnt just bodyguard the kill for his picked buddy if that makes sense
Lord Genome
Spiral King
nitty puts a lot of emphasis on super kills being the end all be all and how rare they are(usually two a game)
Ishmael
I'm not impressed.
Ahh ok. Appreciate the clear up.
[vote lynch mystic serenade] he’s done nothing and I can’t remember much from
Him, it’ll be nice to place pressure on him and would like
For others to do the same. He’s someone that cooler spoke about as well.
@NoYouCantChangeNamesOnNF me, kvothe,Drago and odd were on your scum list and you chose to vote.
You went on vote the opposite of coolers lynch who
You said seemed like town but the person that got
Santi lynch going was scum in your eyes.
Distance attempt
From a lynch of town and inconsistent play is what I get
From this.
You still didn’t answer how me not caring for ratchets claim made me scummy.
Ishmael
I'm not impressed.
Mexikorn might’ve been the person cooler encountered, he claimed to have town read on him with no true reasoning, voted outside his lynch for
The lynch that a scum suspect of his pushed for and another “scum” suspect of his died in dragomir. If he isn’t who cooler encountered he damn sure isn’t looking like town with things like this.
[Change vote lynch NoYouCantChangeNamesOnNF] @Shizune I’m
Not writing
That shit out anymore.
The lynch that a scum suspect of his pushed for and another “scum” suspect of his died in dragomir. If he isn’t who cooler encountered he damn sure isn’t looking like town with things like this.
[Change vote lynch NoYouCantChangeNamesOnNF] @Shizune I’m
Not writing
That shit out anymore.