FLORIDA MAN
bastard
wait what is this
this is a post on D2........before anyone voted ruffruff
trying to misdirect people
was i wrong
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wait what is this
this is a post on D2........before anyone voted ruffruff
trying to misdirect people
was i wrong
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
he didnt vote ruffruff right away despite it being pretty much an obvious lynch and WPK straight up tries to lynch didi until i come in and im like
are u guys fucking retarded
vote RR
Seemed lateishNot gonna try saving your scumbuddy this time ?
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
IIRC, I figured there was a chance that Ava implicitly had info. (Like, he had a felling that DDL was scum and that led him to protect the right person.)rez u too wtf were u doing
Idk. I wanted to press it alittle anyway.
Shizune
Votes are locked.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
phase is pretty much ending imminently but we should definitely have the roleblocker/cop target the people in the bolded/red in my list and see what happens
Welp.
Welp
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
also dont forget this
WolfPrinceKiba
Dog of War
WAD has been pretty spot on with his analysis of me. I hate having a kill be blocked or doubling up on kills if there's an SK more than more anything as mafia, it's why I choose supposed random targets a lot. Mafia is largely a numbers game, have to thin the herd and all that.
9 hours . "Late"
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
End this 
Shiny
Bright like a diamond
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
"cant lose if teh game never ends"
Shizune
Vote count
W - Psychic > Melodie > Shiny > Melodie
Melodie - DDL > Shiny
Platinum - Psychic > Mr. Waffles > Melodie
DDL - WPK > Dr. White > Melodie
SinRaven - DDL > Melodie
Didi - DDL > Dr. White > Melodie
Psychic - Didi > Platinum
Nevan - Dr. White
Mr. Waffles - DDL
Reznor - Dr. White > Melodie
WPK - Dr. White
Dr. White - WPK > Melodie
Melodie - 7
Dr. White - 2
Platinum - 1
Shiny - 1
Self votes
Shiny
Melodie (Coco Larrson) has been lynched.
Dr. White (Leona Braxton) has been modkilled for role hinting.
The purpose behind rule #4 was to prevent people from defending themselves through role hints.
It became clear that Dr. White had managed to do exactly that, so unfortunately I have to remove him from the game.
Night 3 begins. No more posts, no exceptions.
W - Psychic > Melodie > Shiny > Melodie
Melodie - DDL > Shiny
Platinum - Psychic > Mr. Waffles > Melodie
DDL - WPK > Dr. White > Melodie
SinRaven - DDL > Melodie
Didi - DDL > Dr. White > Melodie
Psychic - Didi > Platinum
Nevan - Dr. White
Mr. Waffles - DDL
Reznor - Dr. White > Melodie
WPK - Dr. White
Dr. White - WPK > Melodie
Melodie - 7
Dr. White - 2
Platinum - 1
Shiny - 1
Self votes
Shiny
Melodie (Coco Larrson) has been lynched.
Dr. White (Leona Braxton) has been modkilled for role hinting.
The purpose behind rule #4 was to prevent people from defending themselves through role hints.
It became clear that Dr. White had managed to do exactly that, so unfortunately I have to remove him from the game.
Spoiler: Relevant posts
Night 3 begins. No more posts, no exceptions.
Thanks for the game !
Shizune
The Puddletown Mafia killed Reznor (Alastair Remington) and Nevan (Charles Newbury).
Day 4 start. You may now post.
Day 4 start. You may now post.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
I wonder what the last mafia role is...Melodie did not appear to be Godfather, though she was immune to the lie detector.
I guess I might as well just say it.
Platinum, Didi, and Shiny are all innocent.
But maybe one of them isn’t?
@Platinum
Do you have an active ability? If so, who did you target.
I guess I might as well just say it.
Platinum, Didi, and Shiny are all innocent.
But maybe one of them isn’t?
@Platinum
Do you have an active ability? If so, who did you target.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Sin are Psychic are for sure good.
WPK is good.
Plat is probably good.
I think Didi is good.
That means it’s between DDL, Mr. Waffles, and Shiny.
Siding towards the latter two. But I don’t think Shiny would have The Godfather role? And I feel as if Town has a roleblocker? But maybe I’m wrong.
[Vote Lynch Mr. Waffles]
His vote tracking on D1 was good but...he doesn’t really care about voting his teammates or not.
Pending an ISO, other info coming to light, and some good night’s rest...this is where I leave my vote for now.
Good night.
WPK is good.
Plat is probably good.
I think Didi is good.
That means it’s between DDL, Mr. Waffles, and Shiny.
Siding towards the latter two. But I don’t think Shiny would have The Godfather role? And I feel as if Town has a roleblocker? But maybe I’m wrong.
[Vote Lynch Mr. Waffles]
His vote tracking on D1 was good but...he doesn’t really care about voting his teammates or not.
Pending an ISO, other info coming to light, and some good night’s rest...this is where I leave my vote for now.
Good night.
Nevan
Well-Known Member
Such is fate
SinRaven
SPACED OUT
Why ya think Didi is gucci?
Didi
*
Hmmm
I think I could see a long set up argument between teammates Plat and Melodie to make them both seem active
But then again the execution was iffy and mostly served to make Melodie seem bad so maybe not
I agree in thinking Shiny would not be godfather, but who knows, maybe it was done as intentional misdirection or they just used RNG i dunno
I think I could see a long set up argument between teammates Plat and Melodie to make them both seem active
But then again the execution was iffy and mostly served to make Melodie seem bad so maybe not
I agree in thinking Shiny would not be godfather, but who knows, maybe it was done as intentional misdirection or they just used RNG i dunno
Didi
*
As for the others:
-WAD is cop apparently, and even if not he was confirmed by Ava
-Sin and psychic are confirmed barring any extreme tinfoilery (like them being maf/town-lovers with a last 2 standing wincon)
-WPK and DDL have good things and bad things going for them, could both still be
-Waffles is >waffles, has been very uninvolved (which coincides with their team doing horrible maybe?) and I think he should be the lynch if he doesn't claim a town role today oh wait no claiming RIP nevermind
I'd say Waffles > WPK > DDL > Plat > Shiny
[Vote Lynch Waffles]
-WAD is cop apparently, and even if not he was confirmed by Ava
-Sin and psychic are confirmed barring any extreme tinfoilery (like them being maf/town-lovers with a last 2 standing wincon)
-WPK and DDL have good things and bad things going for them, could both still be
-Waffles is >waffles, has been very uninvolved (which coincides with their team doing horrible maybe?) and I think he should be the lynch if he doesn't claim a town role today oh wait no claiming RIP nevermind
I'd say Waffles > WPK > DDL > Plat > Shiny
[Vote Lynch Waffles]
Ok guys
With a seemingly 8-1 town/scum ratio, expect some mislynches. It's statistics.
I'm saying this because in Disney Mafia, town thought they had the game in the bag after they took down 5 scum, but I was the only one who knew it was a long term game , and it kind of hurt town's morale to have a bunch of consecutive mislynches. They only won because they managed to recover that morale in the last day.
Sit tight, and let's look for the last scum one day at a time. We should have at least 4 chances to find it.
With a seemingly 8-1 town/scum ratio, expect some mislynches. It's statistics.
I'm saying this because in Disney Mafia, town thought they had the game in the bag after they took down 5 scum, but I was the only one who knew it was a long term game , and it kind of hurt town's morale to have a bunch of consecutive mislynches. They only won because they managed to recover that morale in the last day.
Sit tight, and let's look for the last scum one day at a time. We should have at least 4 chances to find it.
He's obviously the cop.
Well I give it 90% chance the last scum can fool investigations. If they had one that could fool the LD, and the cop is way more powerful, they can fool the cop too.
Anyway, Wad, psychic and Sin are untouchable.
Time-based vote tracking
(now with a title @Dr. White!)
(now with a title @Dr. White!)
Wad
Melodie
Platinum
DDL
Sin
Didi
Wad
Psychic
Nevan
Mr. Waffles
DDL
Platinum
Sin
Wad
Platinum
Reznor
Didi
WPK
Dr. White
Dr. White
Reznor
Platinum
DDL
Didi
Psychic
Melodie
Wad
Wad
Red = Melodie
Blue = Dr. White
Green = DDL
Purple = WPK
Orange = Psychic
Pink = Shiny
No Color = Other
Gray = Unvote/No Lynch
Melodie
Platinum
DDL
Sin
Didi
Wad
Psychic
Nevan
Mr. Waffles
DDL
Platinum
Sin
Wad
Platinum
Reznor
Didi
WPK
Dr. White
Dr. White
Reznor
Platinum
DDL
Didi
Psychic
Melodie
Wad
Wad
Red = Melodie
Blue = Dr. White
Green = DDL
Purple = WPK
Orange = Psychic
Pink = Shiny
No Color = Other
Gray = Unvote/No Lynch
I skipped the RuffRuff lynch because it's not like mafia didn't have a reason to vote for him right away.
One thing that calls my attention is that, right after Wad makes his TL;DR and deduces we have to pick one of Melodie or Dr. Scum, this happens:
When faced with a 2-way street, a wagon quickly formed on the town side of it.
So Didi and WPK looks the worst here. Especially Didi since he jumped on a DDL wagon early. Though WPK looks worse in Day 1 than Didi.
Platinum doesn't look exactly good either since he abstained. But I guess at this point a scum would be interested in trying to save Melodie so he is a step above Didi and WPK.
It's not like anyone looks good either, except Sin and Wad. I took a long time to vote Melodie, though I have the excuse that I was already on Dr. Scum so I simply didn't want to change it. Waffles came to my wagon and disappeared. And don't even get me started on Shiny and his missing of the vote in both of the disputed scum lynches (this and day 1).
Psychic looks kind of bad too but Psychic is basically confirmed.
[vote lynch Didi]
When faced with a 2-way street, a wagon quickly formed on the town side of it.
So Didi and WPK looks the worst here. Especially Didi since he jumped on a DDL wagon early. Though WPK looks worse in Day 1 than Didi.
Platinum doesn't look exactly good either since he abstained. But I guess at this point a scum would be interested in trying to save Melodie so he is a step above Didi and WPK.
It's not like anyone looks good either, except Sin and Wad. I took a long time to vote Melodie, though I have the excuse that I was already on Dr. Scum so I simply didn't want to change it. Waffles came to my wagon and disappeared. And don't even get me started on Shiny and his missing of the vote in both of the disputed scum lynches (this and day 1).
Psychic looks kind of bad too but Psychic is basically confirmed.
[vote lynch Didi]
Platinum
Peanut Enthusiast
I wonder what the last mafia role is...Melodie did not appear to be Godfather, though she was immune to the lie detector.
I guess I might as well just say it.
Platinum, Didi, and Shiny are all innocent.
But maybe one of them isn’t?
@Platinum
Do you have an active ability? If so, who did you target.
I don't have an active ability.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Aw shucks, the rest of you are Vanilla townies, huh.
Platinum
Peanut Enthusiast
I think we should try to analyze the kills a bit. Reznor and Nevan were basically confirmed roles, but they had no power to speak of (well, maf may not have known ld was a one-shot). Someone that would go after confirmed townies instead of fishing for power roles.
At this point I don't know if mafia can afford to fish for power roles. Last night half of the townies were confirmed. If they fish for power roles they risk getting PoE'd.
Besides I haven't seen a single vanilla townie flip. I think this game is role madness.
Platinum
Peanut Enthusiast
Almost certainly
Inb4 Wad and @Didi tilted because they signed up for generic and turned out it was role madness.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Here’s the thing though. I was practically as confirmed as those two (perhaps arguably even more so than Nevan) and I went about lamenting my imminent demise with the double kill rewards saying that ‘if mafia was smart they should kill reznor and Nevan’. So the last scum wasn’t wily enough to realize I was misleading them.
The thing about Nevan was...he was no longer a threat. With the lie detector being expended.
However, what does concern me is...perhaps you’re right. Perhaps the last scum has nothing to fear from any other roles because they’re The Godfather.
Boy, wouldn’t that be fun.
So both of you have abilities.
Both passive?
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
That said, it would be really strange if Shiny was their choice of Godfather...but the points against him are he really hasn’t done a damn thing and I felt like Melodie trying to lynch him at the end was last minute buddying.
We have to consider if we believe the last role on mafia to be Godfather or not, as it opens up a completely different set of players to be suspects.
I don’t think Melodie and Platinum were distancing at all. That argument looked very legitimate. Who was it that suggested otherwise, Didi?
We have to consider if we believe the last role on mafia to be Godfather or not, as it opens up a completely different set of players to be suspects.
I don’t think Melodie and Platinum were distancing at all. That argument looked very legitimate. Who was it that suggested otherwise, Didi?
Technically not.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Overall the roles in this game are very weak. The stronger ones all have limitations. So it's not like mafia has nothing to fear, but I'd wager the benefit of hunting say, a roleblocker, doesn't make it worth giving town a chance for PoE.
But that's how i'd play if I were mafia, I dunno.
But that's how i'd play if I were mafia, I dunno.
In before you’re Jester.
Nah it's an ability. I have to activate it. But untrained eyes might call it a passive.
Can't say more I don't want to face Nitty's banhammer.
The problem of assuming mafia has no godfather is that town will have to lynch both Waffles and me to confirm that. So that's half of our chances gone if we're wrong. And I think we are wrong.
Anyone can be the godfather if Nitty respected the RNG. Heck, Shiny being it isn't even that big of a deal since he is a veteran player.
Anyone can be the godfather if Nitty respected the RNG. Heck, Shiny being it isn't even that big of a deal since he is a veteran player.
I should start reading things.
I dunno man.
Imagine being on a dream team of Melodie, Shiny, Darth and a newfag.
Who would you give the godfather role to if not to Shiny?
Imagine being on a dream team of Melodie, Shiny, Darth and a newfag.
Who would you give the godfather role to if not to Shiny?
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Our margins of error, assuming all mafia faction kills succeed.
8v1, Mislynch, Kill.
6v1, Mislynch, Kill,
4v1, Mislynch, Kill,
2v1
Those first three kills mafia will perform will undoubtedly be on myself, SinRaven, and Psychic.
I'm worried about our odds at all (for instance, while he's not considered as confirmed as the other 3, in a 2v1 LyLo situation the townie should 100% side with Platinum.)
But I would like a perfect lynch record this game. (And for me to not die and have to spectate the rest of the game)
8v1, Mislynch, Kill.
6v1, Mislynch, Kill,
4v1, Mislynch, Kill,
2v1
Those first three kills mafia will perform will undoubtedly be on myself, SinRaven, and Psychic.
I'm worried about our odds at all (for instance, while he's not considered as confirmed as the other 3, in a 2v1 LyLo situation the townie should 100% side with Platinum.)
But I would like a perfect lynch record this game. (And for me to not die and have to spectate the rest of the game
)Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Why would you think I do though ?
> Nitty lets them decide among themselves
And you think I'd go for Godfather ?
What you smokin' ?
I actually do care, I just wouldn't make any effort to help them not get lynched.
Personally, I'm going nah on this.
But maybe I'm overthinking things/overlooking something.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
If the last player isn’t Godfather, then our tentative suspect list is considerably diminished.
Mr. Waffles, WPK, and DDL basically.
Mr. Waffles, WPK, and DDL basically.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Which is coincidentally the exact amount of people we could lynch before LyLo. Assuming no failed kills and whatnot. But there would need to be two failures to give us an extra phase, so...
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Well... I know it isn't me. 
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Meanwhile if we consider players likely to NOT be Godfathers...
That list is...
Mr. Waffles, DDL, WPK.
DDL is the only overlap.
That list is...
Mr. Waffles, DDL, WPK.
DDL is the only overlap.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
So I suppose that’s a good starting point/baseline question:
Do we believe that the last mafia role is a Godfather or not?
Do we believe that the last mafia role is a Godfather or not?
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
I was nah, but after thinking moved to nah-ish.
Is your ability active or passive?
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Active.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
And it hasn’t helped you arrive at any conclusions?
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
And it hasn’t helped you arrive at any conclusions?
It has.
Lets just say that I'm inclined to agree with your stance on Didi and Shiny.
Just curious, but how crazy would you rate me suggesting that there might be 5 mafia in total ?
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
It has.
Lets just say that I'm inclined to agree with your stance on Didi and Shiny.
Just curious, but how crazy would you rate me suggesting that there might be 5 mafia in total ?
No chance.
What about my stance on Didi and Shiny, exactly though?
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Also who did you target last night?
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Why not though ?
I'm getting the feeling that my original thought about this game is more right than I thought.
As in that there are no generics in this game.
Which in turn makes mafia feel underwhelming from the 3 dead ones we have.
So, either the last one is really OP or there are still 2.
But maybe I'm just overthinking things.
That they're really unlikely to be mafia.
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
Didi
*
Why just me and Shiny and not Platinum as well?
Didi
*
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
I ninja'd you yes.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
Why not though ?
I'm getting the feeling that my original thought about this game is more right than I thought.
As in that there are no generics in this game.
Which in turn makes mafia feel underwhelming from the 3 dead ones we have.
So, either the last one is really OP or there are still 2.
But maybe I'm just overthinking things.
That they're really unlikely to be mafia.
The thing is...4v12 makes a whole lot more sense (a nice even 1:3 ratio) than 5v11.
If there’s two more mafia, who would you suspect that to be?
Im guessing that your ability is not...necessarily hostile or friendly, if you catch my drift?
I wholly believe Platinum’s interaction with Melodie is genuine and there’s no way that’s two scummates staging an argument with each other, to be honest.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
[Unvote]
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
How much sense does it make to have a "vanilla" game with no generics ?
Well.. assuming certain things to be true (you, Sin and Psychic) then the only options would be DDL and WPK.
It falls in the same category as yours I think.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
How much sense does it make to have a "vanilla" game with no generics ?
Well.. assuming certain things to be true (you, Sin and Psychic) then the only options would be DDL and WPK.
It falls in the same category as yours I think.
I think that was just a misnomer on Shizune’s part. The game does appear to be original content, but of course any roles being named gives them flavor, which is by definition not a Vanilla game.
Also, I understand. But if I’m correct in assuming what I believe your ability is, it should clear Shiny but I don’t see how Didi is on that same level as clearance considering that there was more than one mafia alive on Night 2.
Jeroen
Bestest Smart Waffle
I'm not talking about him calling it vanilla.
I'm talking about what you normally expect in such a game.
Generics, or vanilla townies if you will.
Normally you'd have a whole bunch of those, but so far there's been none.
Also, I understand. But if I’m correct in assuming what I believe your ability is, it should clear Shiny but I don’t see how Didi is on that same level as clearance considering that there was more than one mafia alive on Night 2.
I'm just grouping them together out of pure simplicity.
You're right that they don't have the same clearance, but, from my point of view, they have more than the rest.
Hence grouped together.
It has.
Lets just say that I'm inclined to agree with your stance on Didi and Shiny.
Just curious, but how crazy would you rate me suggesting that there might be 5 mafia in total ?
Not that crazy. I have been feeling this town is OP for some time.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
I mean, is town really OP?
The lie detector had one usage, and there was a role that counters it on mafia.
For whomever our cop is, there was a Miller, and possibly Godfather.
For our doctor and possibly a bulletproof, mafia had the ability to upgrade to super kill, which would bypass it.
Roleblocker to stop roles like doctor, tracker, cop etc...and can also be paired with their faction kill to bypass passives (so that would kill BP, for example).
Plus this a closed setup game, which favors mafia. And no role revealing/hinting () which also favors mafia.
5 mafia in a 16 Player game would just be way too broken and the morale Melodie exhibited is one of someone who lost half her team from the events of D1, and not someone who had just one more partner left.
Nah there’s only one scum left.
The lie detector had one usage, and there was a role that counters it on mafia.
For whomever our cop is, there was a Miller, and possibly Godfather.
For our doctor and possibly a bulletproof, mafia had the ability to upgrade to super kill, which would bypass it.
Roleblocker to stop roles like doctor, tracker, cop etc...and can also be paired with their faction kill to bypass passives (so that would kill BP, for example).
Plus this a closed setup game, which favors mafia. And no role revealing/hinting (
) which also favors mafia.5 mafia in a 16 Player game would just be way too broken and the morale Melodie exhibited is one of someone who lost half her team from the events of D1, and not someone who had just one more partner left.
Nah there’s only one scum left.
FLORIDA MAN
bastard
So if we trust Mr. Waffles (imo I’m thinking yes) then:
Shiny is pretty much entirely off the table.
Didi is not an optimal lynch to pursue.
Mr. Waffles appears to be trustworthy.
I’m pretty much confirmed.
Psychic and Sin, as useless as they are, are pretty much confirmed.
So that effectively leaves us with Platinum, DDL, and WPK.
Platinum only being so if Godfather, and WPK probably only so if not.
Are we gonna have to finally lynch DDL today?
Shiny is pretty much entirely off the table.
Didi is not an optimal lynch to pursue.
Mr. Waffles appears to be trustworthy.
I’m pretty much confirmed.
Psychic and Sin, as useless as they are, are pretty much confirmed.
So that effectively leaves us with Platinum, DDL, and WPK.
Platinum only being so if Godfather, and WPK probably only so if not.
Are we gonna have to finally lynch DDL today?