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Platinum pushing for Sin to reveal as cop. Please note. Plat's just mad I baited him day 1.


I like to change my playstyle often.

So, @Didi why do you think councilman are evil?

[Vote lynch Didi]

I would almost think you are jester this game, because I know you are not this dense.

Tinfoil, Wad is godfather, plat and didi are his minions.

... only 2 mafia even left in the game :drake

eh despite all of his goofs and faux pas besides this one (the no lynching, calling attention to you, threatening ppl with kills) i think he played well :dank

I mean, I get his general strategy of saying stupid shit to be so scummy it reaches around back to no one thinking to lynch him as town, but all he did was protect himself from suspicion and contributing nothing to the game outside of his night actions.

[change vote lynch Mr Waffles]

I lean town on Didi, and i'm not sure DDL would actually go and make himself look scummy as fuck as mafia to defend some new person he doesn't even know. If psychic is a mason or whatever, this is what my initial feel for now is until more information comes.
 
Isn't it clear at this point I'm just trying to scumhunt people and not giving a damn about myself.

Stop pestering me about it.

Do you see me voting you?

I’m telling you to stop saying dumb shit they would get you lynched.

You defended Darth. You defended Ruffruff. Now you’re saying mafia likely bitched about that situation privately. I totally see you as the type to do that.

And don’t say you “don’t give a damn about yourself” considering your constant wailing about being falsely persecuted, which is pretty much the only reason you haven’t been lynched yet because people clearly sympathize with that.
 
@Platinum

The thing with Ava is he looked pretty good after the Darth lynch because it seemed like he was a counterwagon to it.

Problem is, Didi and DDL were big proponents of shifting the lynch away from Darth onto Ava but the more I see them post the more I am inclined to think they are Town.

I need to go back and see who else voted for Ava at that time or at least avoided the Darth lynch because maybe that’s our target.
 
So, lets just assume that Shizune awarding the extra kill was a direct result of ava blocking the mafia faction kill being true (which is reasonable, because if the mafia targeted someone else and it failed for a different reason, I don't think Shizune would give out another kill for it)

I don't think the mafia would find avalon a big enough threat to investigate night 1 to find their role, so I am going to assume they just killed them because they were a low-profile player, and felt they had to start thinning the herd after their kill on a high-profile player failed.

I think a more experienced godfather would know better than to target someone who is incredibly likely to receive protection.
 
And don’t say you “don’t give a damn about yourself” considering your constant wailing about being falsely persecuted, which is pretty much the only reason you haven’t been lynched yet because people clearly sympathize with that.

I came to terms with that and now I will just say whatever comes to my mind.

Given the choice bewteen saying something that helps us find scum, and shutting up to protect my own ass, I pick the former. I don't ever play to save myself as a townie. 1 scum is more valuable than 1 townie.
 
Shit

SinRaven - W
Didi - W > Darth > A
DDL - W > A > Darth
W - Darth
Platinum - Psychic
Psychic - Didi
A - W > Darth > No Lynch > Darth
Mr. Waffles - Darth
WPK - Dr. White
Reznor - Ava > Darth
Darth - A
Dr. White - Darth
Melodie - Platinum

The only other people who did vote for him was confirmed Town (Rez) and Darth himself

Ruffruff, shiny, and Nevan didn’t vote

I’m starting to think

1 of the remaining scum are throwaway voters (Melodie or wpk)

And the other is one of the late jumpers on the Darth wagon (waffles or dr. White)
 
Shit



The only other people who did vote for him was confirmed Town (Rez) and Darth himself

Ruffruff, shiny, and Nevan didn’t vote

I’m starting to think

1 of the remaining scum are throwaway voters (Melodie or wpk)

And the other is one of the late jumpers on the Darth wagon (waffles or dr. White)

Funny.

I said the exact same thing when I made that technicolor vote tally.

Except you should remove Waffles from the list because he wasn't a last voter. He was the second one in the Darth wagon.
 
So, lets just assume that Shizune awarding the extra kill was a direct result of ava blocking the mafia faction kill being true (which is reasonable, because if the mafia targeted someone else and it failed for a different reason, I don't think Shizune would give out another kill for it)

I don't think the mafia would find avalon a big enough threat to investigate night 1 to find their role, so I am going to assume they just killed them because they were a low-profile player, and felt they had to start thinning the herd after their kill on a high-profile player failed.

I think a more experienced godfather would know better than to target someone who is incredibly likely to receive protection.

it was both cuz ava is a low profile/‘unestablished’ player so he wasn’t likely to be attention of doctor’s protection since reznor and what we presume nevan were also viable candidates

AND because he straight up hard hinted having a PR
 
Also I'm not saying you are voting for me. I'm saying you are pestering me.

You don't need to let me know every time I say something that could get me lynched. I know exactly what I'm doing.

rly cuz it seemed u lacked the self awareness until this game

u also really should consider a frame of reference for what constitutes as ‘pestering’ considering i address everyone around me and as someone who was the subject of 40+ posts from someone pleading to D1 me
 
rly cuz it seemed u lacked the self awareness until this game

Dude I've been playing in full kamikaze mode since 2014.

In my first two games as town, I was bulletproof. I let that shape my playstyle and now I play every game like I'm bulletproof. I can count in the fingers how many times I got to lylo in my life. If I don't get lynched, I convince everyone I'm town and get FKd.

I just got annoyed now that this led me to too many lynches this year, when in the past it didn't. But like I said, I've come to terms to it.

u also really should consider a frame of reference for what constitutes as ‘pestering’ considering i address everyone around me and as someone who was the subject of 40+ posts from someone pleading to D1 me

Whatever.
 
I did some work during the night phase. I believe this may be useful to find sense in last day's bandwagons:

Sin
Didi
DDL

Wad
Didi
Platinum
Psychic

Ava
Mr. Waffles
Ava
Ava
Didi
DDL
WPK
Ava

Reznor
Reznor
Darth
DDL
Dr. White

Melodie
Nevan


Red = Darth
Blue = Wad
Green = Ava
No color = Other
Gray = No Lynch

Final votes are in Bold. Votes that were changed later are not.
 
Nevan didn’t vote

Pretty sure Nevan was the last one to vote for Darth. :maybe

And the other is one of the late jumpers on the Darth wagon (waffles or dr. White)

I was the 3rd one voting for Darth. :drake

He was the second one in the Darth wagon.

3rd*

Can u list the order for me plz
On phone so it’s a chore to dig back

Spoiler: Voting order.

Sin > WAD #13 WAD - 1
Didi > WAD #17 WAD - 2
DDL > WAD #23 WAD - 3
WAD > Darth #39 WAD - 3, Darth - 1
Didi > Darth #92 WAD - 2, Darth - 2
Plat > Psychic #116 WAD - 2, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1
Psychic > Didi #136 WAD - 2, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1
Ava > WAD #188 WAD - 3, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1
Waffles > Darth #205 WAD - 3, Darth - 3, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1
Ava > Darth #235 WAD - 2, Darth - 4, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1
Ava > No Lynch #262 WAD - 2, Darth - 3, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, NL - 1
Didi > Ava #267 WAD - 2, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, NL - 1, Ava - 1
DDL > Ava #275 WAD - 1, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, NL - 1, Ava - 2
WPK > Doc #278 WAD - 1, Darth - 2, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, NL - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1
Ava > Darth #282 WAD - 1, Darth - 3, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1
Reznor > Ava #363 WAD - 1, Darth - 3, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 3, Doc - 1
Reznor > Darth #376 WAD - 1, Darth - 4, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1
Darth > Ava #402 WAD - 1, Darth - 4, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 3, Doc - 1
DDL > Darth #415 WAD - 1, Darth - 5, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1
Doc > Darth #437 WAD - 1, Darth - 6, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1
Mello > Plat #453 WAD - 1, Darth - 6, Psychic - 1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1, Plat - 1
Nevan > Darth #482 WAD - 1, Darth - 7, Psychic -1, Didi - 1, Ava - 2, Doc - 1, Plat - 1



That's x voted for y #postnumber and then what the vote tally was with that vote included.
Darth's voting power is not accounted for in this.
 
I did some work during the night phase. I believe this may be useful to find sense in last day's bandwagons:

Sin
Didi
DDL

Wad
Didi
Platinum
Psychic

Ava
Mr. Waffles
Ava
Ava
Didi
DDL
WPK
Ava

Reznor
Reznor
Darth
DDL
Dr. White

Melodie
Nevan


Red = Darth
Blue = Wad
Green = Ava
No color = Other
Gray = No Lynch

Final votes are in Bold. Votes that were changed later are not.

So besides my meme wagon, the only real votes that were present at the time were on Darth's wagon, initially.

It started with Myself, Didi, and Jeroen.

Then Ava comes, switches from me to Darth, then switches again and proceeds to No Lynch.

Didi switches from Darth to Ava. He is the first to vote for him and his vote remains on him for the rest of the phase. That's 2-1 (Darth vs. Ava)

DDL switches from me to Ava. It is now 2-2.

WPK at this point comes in and votes for...Dr. White, I think? So basically doesn't take a stance.

Ava is now sort of worried he's getting votes so he sides with the Darth wagon. 3-2.

Reznor is like, the fuck, that's hella scummy - voting majority to save yourself. He votes for Ava. 3-3.

Reznor then decides against it and is like, ok whatever Darth it is. 4-2.

Darth comes in and is like...hmmm...I save myself so Ava it is. 4-3.

But we have to keep in mind that Darth is a double-voter, so in reality the votes are (unless there's other voting power in play) actually tied at this point.

DDL ostensibly decides that was extremely scummy of Darth and chooses to vote for him, one of his redeeming plays. It is now 5-3 (5-4 in actuality).

Dr. White comes and drops his first vote on Darth. 6-3 (6-4 in actuality).

Melodie avoids taking a stance on this and votes for Platinum after engaging in a tedious TL;DR back and forth with him.

Nevan votes for Darth for good measure.


What I am analyzing from this:

We should lynch Dr. White or Melodie.

Why Dr. White?

Because the fact of the matter is that with DDL's vote, Darth was already in the lead, so the credibility goes to DDL and not Dr. White. I would also think from a meta-read that after Election Year, Dr. White is going to be really reluctant to attempt to save doomed teammates. So he threw himself on there for some credibility, that's one theory.

That aside, I need to read his posts but he's had some clashes with DDL and WPK, so if he were to flip scum we could feel very secure about DDL once and for all, and feel a lot better with WPK. I generally don't feel as if Dr. White has been eager to 'solve' this game and the majority of his interactions is bickering or fighting with people; creating dissent.

Why not WPK?

Meta, mostly. If WPK is scum, he does not have any say over the mafia's faction kills.

We have to remember that in this game, mafia were allowed to choose their own roles. Explains why neither Darth or Ruffruff are Godfather. That role is absolutely in possession of the mafia's highest profile player. People like myself, Didi, WPK, Melodie, etc. would be most likely to take the role for themselves. WPK would not go for me as a target Night 1, especially when Reznor as innocent child is an option and Nevan seems to be the Lie Detector. Not unless he's finally broken his scum leader meta.

Why Melodie?

While there's points in her favor for actually seeming to have tried at first to scumhunt, or appear scum-hunting: we have to remember that the majority of HER interactions are with Platinum. Her vote on him, when the votes between Darth and Ava were still very close at a critical juncture shows her lack of wanting to take a side in the issue, perhaps hoping it could be turned around or maybe one or two of Darth's voters would change their minds and vote away from him.

Context also shows that after Darth was lynched, and Ruffruff was basically condemned...her participation in the game screeched to a halt. She withdrew considerably in Day 2, and that could be attributed to tilt: she's already lost half of her scumteam. She finally shows up in the phase once it's pretty much decided for sure that Ruffruff is to hang, and does nothing of value other than: 1) Announcing she'll be there for the few hours remaining in the phase [she doesn't really stick around, it turns out] and 2) Restart her head-to-head argument with Platinum, yet while doing so has a somewhat acquiescent tone. Platinum notes that it's pretty odd she chooses to restart what should have been largely a dead conversation, and Melodie does not really pursue other targets.


Conclusion:

We should definitely lynch Melodie or Dr. White. We should ISO their posts, and we should should interrogate them extensively this phase.
 
DDL ostensibly decides that was extremely scummy of Darth and chooses to vote for him, one of his redeeming plays.

Actually I didn't care much about Darth's vote on Ava (it's NAI). I started second guessing my Ava vote after interacting with him and getting a "too scummy for scum" vibe, and Darth's consecutive scummy posts started making me mad at him so I warmed up at the idea of policy lynching him.
 
Actually I didn't care much about Darth's vote on Ava (it's NAI). I started second guessing my Ava vote after interacting with him and Darth's consecutive scummy posts started making me mad at him so I warmed up at the idea of policy lynching him.

Yeah but that one post he made was the only post he made between you not being keen on PL'ing him and deciding "okay fuck this guy" so 'consecutive scummy posts' is a misnomer, to be pedantic. :jackal
 
Either way that's objectively a scummy as hell play and he should know better.

He's either actually the Godfather and wanted to be cleared or he is non-GF mafia and was trying to use reverse psychology on the cop.

Surprised we actually haven't heard any results by now, actually. :hm

> he should know better

Well... I thought the same thing about him twice before where he proved me wrong, so eh.

I'd wanna lynch him just to see if...

Not gonna try saving your scumbuddy this time ? :maybe

... this was actually me being right. :lmao
 
Either way that's objectively a scummy as hell play and he should know better.

He's either actually the Godfather and wanted to be cleared or he is non-GF mafia and was trying to use reverse psychology on the cop.

Surprised we actually haven't heard any results by now, actually. :hm

I suspect there might be no cop in this game.

Because a town this size with a cop, a mason duo and an LD is very OP.

So maybe there is no cop. Or either the cop, or the LD, or both, have limited shots.
 
I suspect there might be no cop in this game.

Because a town this size with a cop, a mason duo and an LD is very OP.

So maybe there is no cop. Or either the cop, or the LD, or both, have limited shots.

If there's no cop, what do you suspect to be the Godfather equivalent role? LD immune? :hm

But the LD appears to have been limited: it wasn't used yesterday, so it was either a one-shot or can only be used every other cycle or something.
 
Eh, for now going with [Vote Lynch Dr. White]
Yes and here I am, detailing my kill strategy and posting arguments to help further solidify who is scum and who is town, such great scum play

Get off my fucking back already Psychic, tunnelvision much?


that seems a tad excessive :thunk
I gotta agree this is quite an overreaction.
I feel like we usually just treat Psychic's posts as silly ramblings when we believe them to be wrong.

It's not like Psychic is influencing alot of people.

I made a one-liner joke about him saying "I am town" in more than one post and he got salty about it.

@Didi seems especially sensitive to accusations this game.
 
Eh, for now going with [Vote Lynch Dr. White]





I gotta agree this is quite an overreaction.
I feel like we usually just treat Psychic's posts as silly ramblings when we believe them to be wrong.

It's not like Psychic is influencing alot of people.

I made a one-liner joke about him saying "I am town" in more than one post and he got salty about it.

@Didi seems especially sensitive to accusations this game.


I was just in a shit mood cuz I'm busy as fuck with all sorts of things and my GPU decided to die and ugh
plus I usually get annoyed when a lot of people name me scummy for no reason, I want to catch scum not have to defend myself constantly especially when from my PoV I've done nothing wrong but I got unlucky and looked bad because I started an Ava wagon and didn't get back for the end of the phase. Even more frustrating because I also motorheaded the Darth wagon but people refuse to acknowledge that
oh well

plus I'm having a stomach ache

oh well

@Didi I need you to say that you’re town. Make it short and simple too.


I already did this like a million times now zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I am town
 
Maybe, i'm feeling a ddl lynch, and idk why you're excusind didi

I dunno, I just feel like both of them are probably town after having talked to them.

And after analyzing the votes from D1, you and Melodie strike me as the most interesting POI's and your behaviors in D2 were also curious-to-suspicious.

And both of your lynches would be good for indicating the specific alignment of other players whose alignments I'm not sure of.
 

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