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Waffles says "if you pull dumb shit again SK you're getting my vote", your point that he should therefore vote for him straight up before he does dumb shit is silly. He did in fact vote for SK after he said "I'm scum".
As far as Waffles trying to abstain from scum-hunting, maybe he is trying to coast - I did admit his post was odd, just not scummy. Hopefully he posts more in the next 24 hours so I can read him better.
I can see a tone read on Waffles indicating scum but all of these reasons don't really hold up. He forewarned SK of what would get him policy lynched, SK has done this in multiple games including some where he was legit scum and why would he vote there when it is explicitly a warning post?
He baited SK to make a move that would force his vote on him in order to absolve himself of the responsibility of scumhunting on day 1. This is as scummy as it gets. Why you two are having such a hard time understanding the intention of this tactic is beyond me.

Mild scumreads on both of you, since there is no need for me to explain this.

Your point that he should be equally critical of himself for his performance last game is just a dumb reason to vote someone...
How is that a dumb reason? If you're going to reference a bad play from another game while having an equally awful performance in that same game, you have no merit for proposing a policy lynch tactic. Therefore, the policy lynch vote proposition from Waffles looks absolutely fake.


- You claimed I wanted to lynch Waffles. I said the main reason I'd want to lynch him is for the info - not that I actually wanted to lynch him over anyone else.
- You claimed you never said your logic was reaching. I posted the post where you said as much.
1. "I said the main reason I'd want to lynch him is for info" - okay? That is still showing intent to lynch Waffles. I didn't lie about that.
2. I never made a claim that said my logic wasn't reaching. I said my post wasn't illogical (different from "reaching") - which is what you kept parroting. That's not a lie.

Try again.
You've just been hella defensive man, I didn't even vote for you. I just said I thought your logic was suspect and you couldn't take it and came at me - that's not me playing hard offence. My offence on Dragomir isn't specifically to do with the Waffles lynch either, I just noticed a pattern of him defending you and repeating your arguments - looks like he could be scum trying to blend.
There is a difference, a massive difference, between saying "I don't like the reasons for the Waffles push" and "I don't agree with the Waffles push because the reasons are illogical and I'm proposing that we'll get alignment information on jayjay and Drag based on Waffles' flip."

The former is okay. The latter is essentially what you said and requires a high level of scrutiny from town because it has several claims that haven't been elaborated on, lmfao. It might be defensive but I don't see a problem in asking you questions about something that doesn't make sense to me or anyone else.

What would you say a scum!Waffles flip says about SK?
I'm not willing to speculate on SK at this point.
 
He baited SK to make a move that would force his vote on him in order to absolve himself of the responsibility of scumhunting on day 1. This is as scummy as it gets. Why you two are having such a hard time understanding the intention of this tactic is beyond me.

Mild scumreads on both of you, since there is no need for me to explain this.

How is that a dumb reason? If you're going to reference a bad play from another game while having an equally awful performance in that same game, you have no merit for proposing a policy lynch tactic. Therefore, the policy lynch vote proposition from Waffles looks absolutely fake.



1. "I said the main reason I'd want to lynch him is for info" - okay? That is still showing intent to lynch Waffles. I didn't lie about that.
2. I never made a claim that said my logic wasn't reaching. I said my post wasn't illogical (different from "reaching") - which is what you kept parroting. That's not a lie.

Try again.

There is a difference, a massive difference, between saying "I don't like the reasons for the Waffles push" and "I don't agree with the Waffles push because the reasons are illogical and I'm proposing that we'll get alignment information on jayjay and Drag based on Waffles' flip."

The former is okay. The latter is essentially what you said and requires a high level of scrutiny from town because it has several claims that haven't been elaborated on, lmfao. It might be defensive but I don't see a problem in asking you questions about something that doesn't make sense to me or anyone else.


I'm not willing to speculate on SK at this point.

You forget that people have egos. Nobody's going to go "So and so played a bad game last time, but so did I, so I have no room to talk". Especially if said person doesn't believe their play was bad. Did Waffles explicitly express distaste in how he played last game? Or are you talking to acknowledge that he might have thought he played a good game?
 
Someone tell me if you're able to add avatars on mobile :catmad

Yes but it’s a pain.

Lol, you're a clever one. If you think that I haven't done much as well then why aren't I on your list? Why isn't like half the players this game on your list?

Because I gotta pick one. This isn’t a ranked ballot system, it’s a first past the post system.
 
Nobody's going to go "So and so played a bad game last time, but so did I, so I have no room to talk".
Then he shouldn't have posted it to begin with. He warned SK that he was going to policy lynch him if he did X (which is essentially just baiting him to do it), SK does X, and now his vote is on SK so he can coast for the entire phase and doesn't have to scumhunt. This entire scenario is scummy. Exactly which part of this are you having trouble understanding?

In any case, it doesn't matter. Waffles will be lynched whether you understand it or not.
 
Then he shouldn't have posted it to begin with. He warned SK that he was going to policy lynch him if he did X (which is essentially just baiting him to do it), SK does X, and now his vote is on SK so he can coast for the entire phase and doesn't have to scumhunt. This entire scenario is scummy. Exactly which part of this are you having trouble understanding?

In any case, it doesn't matter. Waffles will be lynched whether you understand it or not.

I guess I could argue that it isn't Waffle's fault SK responds like a rebellious teenager, but then again, you guys have played with eachother for what I can only assume to be a long time, so I imagine he'd know how SK might reply to that. Feels like some 3D chess, but I understand where you're coming from with that. An opportunity to coast, maybe. However, we still have 15(?) hours left in this DP. Easily enough time to put forth some arguments. I'm not willing to place my bets on a Waffle lynch for something that I observed as fairly trivial and expressed in a joking manner. At least not yet.
 
Huh? I've never played a game here before, so I don't know if that post was obviously a joke, but I dislike Town hurting their win con, and I'm willing to policy lynch because of that.
You never playing here before is irrelevant. If he was scum and was serious then, he's gamethrowing, if he's town then he's obviously joking.
So in either scenario he's not serious and is joking. You don't have to play here before to know this.

I know this looks like I'm defending SK, but I just had to address Cinera here.

You're willing to policy lynch for that and ignore reason and not be thoughtful? That's dumb.
 
Read rule 5
Oops, I didn't realise. I wouldn't do that again.

You never playing here before is irrelevant. If he was scum and was serious then, he's gamethrowing, if he's town then he's obviously joking.
So in either scenario he's not serious and is joking. You don't have to play here before to know this.
Town should not claim Scum; that's strictly anti-Town play. I frown on this irrespective of the game in question. I'm policy lynching to discourage this behaviour (if he's indeed Town).

I frown on claiming Scum as either Town or Scum as it hurts your win condition, hence my lynch vote.

I don't care if he's joking; I don't find it funny.
 
That was quick.

Yes, hello gooby. I can't even change my avatar.

I'm reading the past pages currently.

You already know I’m good at figuring things out quickly :owosmug

As for the summary, what shade0180 seems right but truthfully I have not been super attentive to this game so far. I’ll be giving it a reread at work tomorrow to form my own interpretations and conclusions of the happenings thus far.

But first things first: do you swear on King Malphite that you’re Town? :ufdup
 
You already know I’m good at figuring things out quickly :owosmug

As for the summary, what shade0180 seems right but truthfully I have not been super attentive to this game so far. I’ll be giving it a reread at work tomorrow to form my own interpretations and conclusions of the happenings thus far.

But first things first: do you swear on King Malphite that you’re Town? :ufdup

Ha. I swear on King Malphite, Lord Monkey, and the space aids prince himself that I'm town :hurr

I caught up with the posts so far and I'm rolling my eyes at the claiming scum thing. I'm not sure what the purpose of that is other than to troll I suppose.

Since it is my first Mafia game here, I'm finding it hard to have it a read on anyone so far on day one.

:pepethink
 
So when will cycle 1 night phase officialy start? I'd like to actually keep check on the time this time around so I know when to be active. Unfortunately I have a hard time making heads or tails of it as I'm european and I don't know the exact time delay to the US of A. MFW your country has like three different time zones. :blobglare

The phase ends at 3 PM CST.
 
So, let's go through it again.

Why those specific players? "I felt like it" isn't going to cut it. Out of 30+ players, you mentioned only 4. Why JJCB, for example?

How did you figure "they might be online" if you didn't use the bar below?
*sigh*

Is this you're way of trying to see that I'm scum from my response?

I only thought that they might be online due to the fact that they were the ones who were posting atm along with me. I used that fact and came up with an educated guess.
 
So when will cycle 1 night phase officialy start? I'd like to actually keep check on the time this time around so I know when to be active. Unfortunately I have a hard time making heads or tails of it as I'm european and I don't know the exact time delay to the US of A. MFW your country has like three different time zones. :blobglare
Change your time to your current time zone in settings and adjust from there.

Interesting you want to be active only at particular times though. :catthinks:
 
Oops, I didn't realise. I wouldn't do that again.


Town should not claim Scum; that's strictly anti-Town play. I frown on this irrespective of the game in question. I'm policy lynching to discourage this behaviour (if he's indeed Town).

I frown on claiming Scum as either Town or Scum as it hurts your win condition, hence my lynch vote.

I don't care if he's joking; I don't find it funny.

I agree with this notion. Knowing ones meta shouldn’t exclude common logic. @Dragomir I start to read you as defensive of SK.
 
Change your time to your current time zone in settings and adjust from there.

Interesting you want to be active only at particular times though. :catthinks:
Well I just wonder when the best time would be for reading up on all that has been written and If I'd even get a chance to participate when most of the discussion is going to be had. Given that I suspect most of you will post and be active in the evening that would be in the night for me I probably won't. I'll just read up on it in the morning (CET:+1) justify myself to people who try to infer to much from simple statements and post when I have something to say on the current developments. But really, what I learned from shitshow volume 7 is to relax about these kind of games.

 
You never playing here before is irrelevant. If he was scum and was serious then, he's gamethrowing, if he's town then he's obviously joking.
So in either scenario he's not serious and is joking. You don't have to play here before to know this.

I know this looks like I'm defending SK, but I just had to address Cinera here.

You're willing to policy lynch for that and ignore reason and not be thoughtful? That's dumb.

You are overanalysing what is the normal reaction of a player who doesn't know SK to seeing SK.
 
I'm back.

Jk just caught up



This post caught my attention, it's scummy af. First paragraph is excessively defensive for something that is just a d1 random vote. Second paragraph seems fake.

I mean sure I believe you are afk but seems like you are making an effort to coast while at that.

[vote lynch Franky]

That's all normal things I do, town or scum I'll admit, but I don't view it as a good reason to vote for me.

Same opinion I have, and share with you, of the SK lynch and him claiming scum (again) and it being a gamble. Honestly, I feel the people using that as an easy ride are looking more and more scummy, especially the newer people who wouldn't be as aware of him claiming it all the time.

While I don't like him claiming it, it is definitely inside his meta no matter his actual role, and I do agree with Jayjay claiming it better to wait for his reads to see if he actually plans on playing the game because in my experience he tends to be more town the harder he tries regardless of his scum claiming. Especially with it happening so early on I doubt it really means anything.

That being said, again, my sights are currently set on the ones jumping on the SK lynch just for something he does all the time. Seems easy way to coast through for scum.

I'll also mention that I'm a little suspicious of Cooler from the interactions between him and Jayjay, obviously because I agree with Jayjay more.

Anyway.

[Vote Lynch cinera]

For now.
 
The Kaldorei have mobilized their military force to defend their borders.

Members of The Kaldorei can privately vote on a secondary lynch target, who will be lynched alongside today's traditional lynch. If you're in this faction, you can cast your vote by PMing it to me.
So does that make these "Kaldorei" Scum, or does it make them Town?:thunk
 


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