Rookie mistake. Look back at his most recent scum game. The flag bearer one, it should still be up, but anyways, he was literally the town leader in every sense of the word, and had the highest post count, but turned out to be The Godfather. He fooled legitimately everyone.
None at all sweetie, more so curiosity. If anything, it’s put some of my attention on you. You chose to make your like only post so far about me, iso’ing me and giving weak logic before placing a vote on me and then going ghost.
Did you actually read that post? It was hardly an ISO lol, you weren't the only poster included. You just happened to appear frequently.
Essentially. This pretty much happens 9 times out of 10
I literally made up 90 percent of that post lol, that’s pretty close to an iso if I’ve ever seen one.Did you actually read that post? It was hardly an ISO lol, you weren't the only poster included. You just happened to appear frequently.
Ok. We should keep this in mind then.Rookie mistake. Look back at his most recent scum game. The flag bearer one, it should still be up, but anyways, he was literally the town leader in every sense of the word, and had the highest post count, but turned out to be The Godfather. He fooled legitimately everyone.
That’s the reason why I’m not trusting anything he’s saying yet.
People who can pull off such a role are something else.
I guess you haven't seen one then. By definition, an ISO is a look at your posts "in isolation", away from the noise that is the rest of the thread.I literally made up 90 percent of that post lol, that’s pretty close to an iso if I’ve ever seen one.
Cooooooo! (The pain of apparently being such a god tier mafia player you can't ever be trusted again)Rookie mistake. Look back at his most recent scum game. The flag bearer one, it should still be up, but anyways, he was literally the town leader in every sense of the word, and had the highest post count, but turned out to be The Godfather. He fooled legitimately everyone.
That’s the reason why I’m not trusting anything he’s saying yet.
You’re literally one of the best players on the forum, sorry not sorry. Your welcome for the complement buttttCooooooo! (The pain of apparently being such a god tier mafia player you can't ever be trusted again)
I know the definition. Clearly your reading comprehension is lacking. “That’s pretty close” as in that’s almost an iso. Adding in one more post to comment on apart from the like 9 you had of me seems like an easy excuse to throw something else in the mix to appear like you aren’t just coming for me out of nowhere.
Sigh. I saw exactly how you qualified it. My point was to say it was nothing like an ISO. An ISO deliberately removes all other context. What I did was basically the opposite - I grabbed a selection of posts through the whole of the thread that I felt stood out or otherwise required comment. It just so happened that the majority came from you. Now you can claim I intended to just tunnel you from the start, but you've not really provided anything to support it, other than argue how convienient it would be for me (which does not an argument make). For starters, grabbing a set of posts from only one player (which would be close to an ISO, if not an ISO outright) isn't inherently scummy or even remotely suspicious at all, so perhaps you can explain why I would even feel the need to throw an extra post in there in the first place. This feels like you attempting to ascribe scummy behaviour to a post that, for all intents and purposes, should be read as NAI.
I've no intention of doing that until I sleep.With how much you keep responding to me, you could have literally already responded to my responses from earlier.
Yet the Kira Wagon was only 2 votes not counting your vote, yet you found it worth mentioning. No one normally gives two fucks about Day 1 Joke votes, with the exemption of if they become the real leaders late in the day, so why did you now (or rather then)Coooo! (Reading those votes it looks like the only other wagon that exists is a 2 person Juan wagon that Okosan wasn't even a part of? Hardly worth mentioning yet tbh. Like, it's the same type of votes that exist for Kira except there's less focus on Juan and Okosan voted for Kira. Not on the radar at all)
Coo! (Plus you keep pushing that Okosan found the votes "odd" but in reality he just found them "interesting". It may be slightly pedantic, but it's an important pedantic honestly. Odd implies that Okosan thinks there's something malicious behind the votes. Interesting implies that Okosan finds them... well... interesting. It's neutral because Okosan wasn't reading into it at all, but wanted to comment about it because Okosan voted)
Coooooo! (Honestly Okosan doesn't know what you want here. You're insisting there was some master plan or secret reason Okosan brought up the votes, but there's not. And it seems you're not happy with Okosan saying there's not so like)
I'm bored.
Rookie mistake. Look back at his most recent scum game. The flag bearer one, it should still be up, but anyways, he was literally the town leader in every sense of the word, and had the highest post count, but turned out to be The Godfather. He fooled legitimately everyone.
That’s the reason why I’m not trusting anything he’s saying yet.
Anyone can tell you, that in these types of more traditional games I:
Also NGL, a large part of it is also me being an asshole when Okosan said he wanted more non Day 1 usual shit
Coooo! (Yep purely because of that. Just felt like commenting about it
)
Everything I just said was my actual thoughts, not just something seemingly pulled out of my ass like your vote on me was. Of course I’m going to argue with you about why you’re wrong on anything you view from me as scummy. Because I’m town, and either which way, you keep coming back at me with similar arguments to what I just said. I think your current approach and tone of your posts are coming across as scummy. If I wanted to “ascribe scummy behavior” that didn’t exist, I would simply vote you and not bother asking you why you took the time to mention almost solely my posts, didn’t really comment on ANYTHING else going on in the game, then went conveniently ghost after placing a vote in my direction. And those were almost your FIRST posts of the game. Very meh to me.
All this over a joke opening post i made
I feel bad about LG
He posted and voted at start then appeared and made a post or two then also nothing much by him
)
I'm not sure what your point is. You saying it was your "actual thoughts" doesn't really mean anything, and what does my vote even have to do with this latest comment?
Okay? Where have I said you shouldn't be arguing with me?
Oh, well, I guess that's that then. It's not like there is an element to this game, one that completely underpins it in fact, known as "lying", or anything. Oh, wait. There is.
What? Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.
A claim you have, to date, utterly failed to substantiate.
Um, no? Do you know what the word "ascribe" means? You'd have a hard time ascribing any sort of behaviour to my posts if you neglected to even engage with them. This is also WIFOM, a logical fallacy. Now in terms of the actual characterisation:
It was my first post in the game. What, exactly, is scummy regarding the timing of the actual post? Would it have been more or less suspicious if it were, say, my second, third, or tenth post in the game? If so, why? There are a lot of half-baked assertions from you so far, and most of it is stating something as if it is fact, and then failing to actually do the work required to prove it so. Given that this behaviour has been prompted due to the result of... one vote, yeah, I'm fairly satisfied where it is right now.
Then you really don't have much cause to complain about my vote remaining on you, then. I mean, you've essentially conceded your defence.Andddd this is where our conversation ends. I’m not quoting all that.
I mean unless a sudden wagon forms then you can keep voting for me all you want and I won’t care at this point. I’ve already given my argument either way. When I’m town I’m defensive, shouldn’t be hard to understand.
Ok thenaw thanks but as everyone knows my hosting and player skills are complete opposite ends
I’m just here to have fun and start being serious on day 2
If mafia is small then why notThe good sis @Elistren is always dragging me on discord and saying how balanced his games are, so there’s no way he’d put a cult in a game this small, right??
Well Laix was like post ppl when he was active but ain't doing much
I like thisfirst vote against kira because of that scummy post
can't really fault him because first votes are always troll votes but
he's hard defending Nevan here after their weird psuedo-lie detect claim
let's be real here girls, claiming lie detect on day 1 with absolutely no warning is either
1. scummy, brainless attempt at appearing town
2. trying to trap someone
from my own role i can say this game isn't exactly manga mashup levels of role madness but it's far from a generic game, and I wouldn't be surprised if Elistren included such abilities that involve posts or interactions with players even if they are the role's sole ability or a one-shot
now whether that is a town or scum ability is for you to decide. this interaction is worth remembering if either okosan or nevan flip scum
on the contrary, while you may not believe Nevan is scum, you cannot imply they are wrong for pre-judging Nevan's alignment when you have done the exact same. in relation to your later post where you slag us off for not winning day 1, I don't know why you're putting so much emphasis on what happens day 1? the purpose of day 1 is to get a feel of people's posts, challenge any establishd metas and basically lynch whoever seems the fishiest
which, right now is you
people describing the difference in their metas when town/scum is absolute bullshit
i've told people i fluff more when im scum but then intentionally do the opposite to fool said meta
though the idea of me even having a meta is hilarious but c'est la vie
yours included?
you lowkey did the same
i didn't even realise how long you guys spent on this
but... yours also seems just as, if not more agenda driven?
your hard defending of Nevan doesn't seem like devil's advocoate anymore and more like you are completely sure of their alignment
talking about possible indie threats to town isn't important, but in your words we are supposed to solve the game day 1????
her push was a bit messy but at least she's pushing for something
you've so far dumped a vote on kira, bickered over nevan's possible responses to an unanswered question and now proclaimed juan to be town
yeah sorry these posts are just weird
[CHANGE VOTE LYNCH Okosan]
electric chair
I think this is the 2nd sheeping vote you made care to share with us anything of value ?
What if he has a wincon to get lynched?
Haha, joking always gets me in trouble, so it’s best to filter itAll this over a joke opening post i made
Coooo! (So this is basically the last Okosan is going to comment about it unless Okosan keeps getting asked, but the fact that Plat sussed Nevan for it isn't the problem (though personally Okosan doesn't think what Nevan said was Alignment Indicative). The problem is the fact that Plat any response that Nevan could give as suspicious)
Maybe cuz longer days start slow
Last time I saw someone complain like oh we gonna lose they ended up flipping as scumYou do realise it was inferred like most things in a mafia game right?
You saying = your actual behaviour, which leans towards supporting Nevan's town alignment. Whether you're "leaning that way" or "deadset" is just semantics at this point
Which, is what everyone else is doing, and has agreed with, but your dramatic "we're doomed" post was really fishy and I'm sure you can agree with that? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your point was misconstrued there as I'm of a similiar belief (hence why you're getting pressured right now)
Not saying you shouldn't have done it, I'm just letting others know not to take it at face value
You think... trying to figure out what roles are in the game... won't help solve the game?
Is it crack?
I don't need to imagine it, the receipts are there
True that a Nevan lynch would give information, but you have the most substantial and questionable interaction with Nevan thus far so...
my point was you were criticising joke wagons while... being on a joke wagon. you was "applying pressure" as you say but your vote never actually changed? are you saying you was content keeping your vote on a target that "isn't a great source of info?"
you ended up writing an essay anyway
I never said that, I was just pointing out your hypocrisy
This feel like you are trying to divert the attention away from Oko
No no no
Ok in retrospect this makes the most sense out of any post I’ve seen this whole game.
Also very true. He’s a double edged sword, he’s a threat either way. If town, scum should be cautious, if scum then town should be weary.
Idk anymore
*decent rational, not just I didnt read his posts
Cooo! (Also why Okosan blatantly asked, "Hey Platinum what's a good response for this")
What about the bread crumbs??
Tbh, the Nevan thing became a huge deal because everyone started talking about it and then some people who were focused on his “implied” lie detector claim, got called out for putting TOO much focus on it. At least that’s what I got from it.
The content your post provided had already been satisfactorily provided in this post. This post came amost 4 hours before yours, and was on Page 2 - if you had done even a cursory reading of the thread, you'd have seen it. However, even if we take your word for it, that you hadn't read past Nevan's post containing this, what exactly is so interesting about it that you were compelled to comment on it? All Nevan did was aim to get someone to make a statement that would work for a Lie Detector. Nevan, immediately afterwards, in this post, followed the same. Even at a stretch, the best you can say here is Nevan is attempting to look Pro-Town by forcing players to make Lie-Detector friendly statements when there is no guarantee of one even being present, as a substitute for actually scum hunting. And that isn't really an argument, because it's just as likely he is Town doing his due diligence (technically more likely, due to probability, but I digress). Yet apparently I'm to believe out of the entire thread, you read that post and felt you absolutely had to respond to it. It feels like a stretch to me.
You seem to have missed my point entirely. You discredit the idea of looking for what feels like staged interactions, because you say it's an easy thing to fabricate, you've annecdotally seen scum use it in every game you've played (really?) and that it is "potentially opportunistic". You even then demand that they just move away from that point of argument. My point here is to say that you attempting to discredit this avenue of scum hunting is also easy, and potentially opportunistic. This is because you attempt to shade the very notion of using this avenue as scummy, or at least something you would expect of scum, and if you were successful it would give the hypothetical Scum!Hayumi one less way to get caught. I also then said that you really were saying they were displaying scummy behaviour. I will note, there is a distinction between acknowledging that someone is displaying scummy behaviour, and thinking that someone is actually scum. You have blurred the lines around this distinction here. Lastly, I said it was "wishy washy" because you use rather vague language - "potentially opportunistic" rather than just accusing them of displaying opportunistic behaviour. In other words, you make an accusation, but never really actually stick to it, giving you wiggle room if you are later called out on it. Wishy washy is scummy behaviour.
No, I did not. My issue was I felt you were overly critical of an early read, which in context with the rest of your behaviour to that point, felt like it was justifiable to me to read it as you looking to clamp down on potential town reads so as not to shrink your mislynch pool. I felt like the read itself was fairly weak, but I also felt it wasn't really presented as anything different from that either. As such, I had no problems with it.
This is not, in any way, shape, or form, a rebuttal of my point here. I'm going to take this as a concession of the point at hand, unless you want to actually try to respond to it this time.
I understand what you are saying
Um this isn't hyperfocusing there were only 2 ppl who actually were making case on Oko
This is not the point at all. Actually, it's nonsensical. You can't claim to be defensive, while refusing to actually defend your position.
Why do you think this is a valid response to the logic Tiger put forth?
I didn't disappear, I'm here for any interaction you want to have, instead of a bandwagon vote.
I will probably be back before day endAsk me what you want me to answer.
No, be more specific on the info.
No, I just wasn't here.
Am I your top scum read?
What a shitty fucking question.
Is he the person you’d want to vote over anyone else atm?
You haven’t answered it yet though. If you would just give an explanation then nobody would be this focused on it still.
you know, repeating "this is exactly what i joined for" isn't going to be funny forever.
For your own sake, I hope you just worded your question to Natalija back then in a dumb way for no reason, or simply wasn’t thinking about it, otherwise you screwed yourself over if your potential hint was legitimate and actual role hinting to begin with.
if you want an actual reason, the fact that he's answering and asking what plat wants from nevan looks bad, almost like he's trying to get an answer plat will like so nevan knows what to come up with.
