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okay i know i said i was sheeping andrew's town read of you but wtf is this post? Draekke wasn't giving a conclusive narrative there? If anything you're the one fighting for a conclusive narrative. Draekke is saying we can't be sure if mafia knew lg or not because it's clear that he was a lost wolf type scenario and it could go either way. You're telling him to stop considering this and just consider it as scum, basicallyI hate this narrative. We can't conclusively say anything about it other than what was explicitly stated. In this very game, people mention a role madness is unpredictable - and yet others want to say they know for certain how the role works. That's incredibly suspicious behavior. If anything, it indicates to me that people are saying with confidence they knew he was a disconnected wolf and they're trying to divorce people from a useful day 1 vote.
I can't say for certain what it was and what it wasn't, but I know that no one else can other than the scum team themselves and that level of confidence and the discrediting is giving huge wolf vibes.
Seen it happen most of the day and it's something I'm going to be wary of when recombing through the thread.
Might be safer if you don't.before we kill I might need to reveal info for all to consider.
I am suggesting that there are indies.You're suggesting that there are two mafia in this game? Shizune has stated multiple times that each game starts with one mafia.
I've said my peace, and I don't think I'm going to convince those zealously against me atm, so I'm going to head out.
[Vote Execute Revan Reborn]
DDL was revived and devoured your role.
To save yourself you have to vote Flower.
glad to have you back okosanCoooo! (Don't be like that Hidden)
Cooo cooo (I promise it will be worth your time)
basically this. LG lynch is not worth much cred for anyone.OK then boss.
Karma still hasn't been wolfy.
I do admit, a hard fucking majority from Karma is their connection to the LG flip, but they still have been pretty decent itt.
Without LG, I'd put them barely above null but above null all the same
That's a kind of self protection, from what you say mafia used their factional on Vanya.No Night Kill was likely due to people having multiple lives - as per Vanya, he was attacked and was bleeding to start D2.
I agree with this toobasically this. LG lynch is not worth much cred for anyone.
Karma has been fine aside from that.
Tbh I didn't read his whole post, just the part that I quoted. In the very next sentence he should we leave open to either optionokay i know i said i was sheeping andrew's town read of you but wtf is this post? Draekke wasn't giving a conclusive narrative there? If anything you're the one fighting for a conclusive narrative. Draekke is saying we can't be sure if mafia knew lg or not because it's clear that he was a lost wolf type scenario and it could go either way. You're telling him to stop considering this and just consider it as scum, basically
the issue with super emotional players that blow up as town. They have to replicate that as mafia, even if they are not as upset with being accused.[Vote Lynch Flower]
[Vote Execute MS]
Ive never played with flower, do they normally "lash out and self vote" instead of using logical defense when pressured?
am I fishy?i honestly have no information that could save her otherwise i would’ve shared. i just found her bandwagon really fishy especially when you look who is behind it.
I think he was a kind of a lost wolf, we got lucky to consolidate the wagon on himLike it can go either way so you should be considering it either way. There is absolutely no reason for LG to need to message his temmates or broadcast info he learns to teammates if he's in the same mafia chat. Is it explicitly stated they're together? No. But we can use a little common sense to see that they weren't. We're just not sure if they actually knew each other
yer, this is what I'm saying. But further than that, only mafia knew for sure and I think it's suspect for members in the thread who want to conclusively paint that information in one way or another to either incriminate another person or give them a strong credit based on it is sus.Like it can go either way so you should be considering it either way. There is absolutely no reason for LG to need to message his temmates or broadcast info he learns to teammates if he's in the same mafia chat. Is it explicitly stated they're together? No. But we can use a little common sense to see that they weren't. We're just not sure if they actually knew each other
he literally said its a slight town lean without LG lynchDude, they even admit in the thread that the LG vote was just random/meme. That you use this to justify your read on them is silly.
Thats a very good point, with DDL he was just accused and got annoyed at his reasoning for inactivity being questioned and just quit.the issue with super emotional players that blow up as town. They have to replicate that as mafia, even if they are not as upset with being accused.
I think the outbursts this game were pretty forced.
tough to play with that type in general though, since you are forced to try and qualify their emotions.
Tbh I am of the opinion that LG's team, at the very least, didn't know who he was. Just because honestly there wasn't really a push to save him. i mean yeah there were like, other options being floated and voted for and whatnot, but not like, a concerted effort or anything. And unless all the mafia roles are that strong he seemed like a pretty strong scum role lol.Tbh I didn't read his whole post, just the part that I quoted. In the very next sentence he should we leave open to either option
I've just seen people say with high levels of confidence that they think LG and his team were unaware of each other and that smells fishy to me. LG might be a coaster, but he doesn't seem like the type of player to roll over and let his team mislynch like that. Would be blunder of the year. I just wanna say that we don't know for certain what the role and who knew what about it entailed.
Essentially, I have a FoS on pretty much anyone who is lying on either extreme of they did know/didn't know since the role was unclear and I think only scum would actually be influenced enough by their burden of information to allow their opinion on to be swayed to a side where they know they can frame the opposite end of the extreme.
If that makes sense, I can clarify further
Ballsy or over confident about something hmmam i town? am i scum?
lynch me, and find out!
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yeah, especially for laix I see this.flower and Laix live and play in a completely world of mafia than I do.
or they are scum pretending they do.
really could be either or at this point.
more sass or come at me from laix, it feels subdued from what I remember about her, but then again I'm not sure if I remember which alignment was her super sassy sideummm okay its d2 even i've read the mechanics by now but i'll explain anyway because you seem lost!
any1 who voted for the lynch is a viable lynch candidate for day 2
i've made it vehemently clear i do not believe flower to be scum, but the 2 rocks swirling about your skull came to the conclusion i must be scum d1 for... im still not sure tbh?
the wagon on flower is set and she has admittedly given up. despite what i personally feel about her alignment, there is nothing i can do
voting for her is putting myself in the ring for the lynch next phase so i can prove a point
but, like i've said multiple times
if you think i'm scum jojo... do something about it
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What's the case against Lind?Draks, ffs vote Lind now. Andrew trusts you enough that you can derail this. And I'm dying next night anyway, but we can at least try to still get my ability off. Lind will evolve with this lynch and help us big time.
nah you just aren't reading my posts is all tbh tbhMy problem with Draekke is his arguments/statements feel like hes either gaslighting ppl or strawmaning them
If he just plays like this every game then fine, but it just reads like hes trying to make players fall into fall into a "gatcha" built on a disingenuous argument.
I also dont like the reasoning for some of his reads. Like saying Hidden is town based on poking and proding. Must be in some other convo because it sure aint this one![]()
it must be Zemmi that reminds you of me.also @Admiral Fujitora doesn't andrew remind you of Zemmi and her whole "good mentor" persona this game? lmao
I thought that it was Atlantic storm with 6 votes but apparently it's Mystic.Who's the execution vote now?
Yeah, that's fair. I pretty much try and read most posts and the votes with two tones, the first being they knew and the second being that no one knew, etc. It's just pretty much how I'm adjudicating how someone might have played in the scenario and which one makes the most sense to me based on what I know and read from them.Tbh I am of the opinion that LG's team, at the very least, didn't know who he was. Just because honestly there wasn't really a push to save him. i mean yeah there were like, other options being floated and voted for and whatnot, but not like, a concerted effort or anything. And unless all the mafia roles are that strong he seemed like a pretty strong scum role lol.
That being said I am still evaluating if people did or not Im just leaning that way.
lmfao yeah that's my badSidebar aside, sure I get what you're saying, but it's just you went hard on draekke there for what was literally proven wrong in the next sentence lol
has anyone given a reason for their excecute votes?[Vote Execute ~Mystic Serenade~]
Atlantic died@Atlantic Storm (Philomena Cunk) died!
Mine has literally just been based on completely inactivity for today. Mystic has posted the least (and I don't even think at all today?) so that's where my vote is.has anyone given a reason for their excecute votes?
I know its going to be thin no matter what since it can only target low posters, but we dont actually need to consolidate this vote.
Atlantic died
i thought you were role blocked...?Draekke uses lynch absorption to absorb my role.
because your tinfoil on what the role must be is a whatever theory of MAYBELike I literally just told you why Lind's claim and points are BS and I keep getting ignored.
Would u describe ur play so far like Draekke has?nah you just aren't reading my posts is all tbh tbh
[VOTE LYNCH Flower]
The wagon is big and I don't see anyone defending Flower so I can understand this, but why the vote then?Flower's gonna flip Town.
meant more of if he is lead lynch target tomorrow, ill have to shareMight be safer if you don't.
Idk, I quoted the post with the flipHow did he die?
Laix hasThe wagon is big and I don't see anyone defending Flower so I can understand this, but why the vote then?
Just one player, that's fishy in a game so big.Laix has
I'd need to see his exact description to tell you if I agreed fully or not, but I am definitely coming in and poking and prodding specifically things I'm thinking about as opposed to like, the entire thread or whatnot. I'm doing bursts of activity so I'm not wasting time going, "Hey literally everyone present tell me your top 3 scum reads" or something. I'm more curious in like, "X player explain / let's talk about Y" or more just what I feel like responding to at the timeWould u describe ur play so far like Draekke has?
you should ISO me if you havent seen a scum push.Most do
But to answer your question, i wanna solve Draeke and Andrew as soon as possible.
Andrew had weird shit early on with defending Draeke telling us when can ignore him and so on. Likewise he reminds me of a certain playstyle where a player acts like a beacon of stability trying to calm everyone down to make it seem like they are moving game forward. Maybe i am also forgetful but i for the life of me can't remember his actually actively pushing someone to be scum? Can you?
As for Draeke, his entrance to the game was downright bad, he used absurdly weak "reads" to make cases on people that lead nowhere, to me it seemed like someone who is desperate to fit in and establish himself as a townie in a non natural way. That's why i don't trust him, he just tries so fucking hard to be town
Ayo?Draekke uses lynch absorption to absorb my role.
Just came in to fix my vote as I realized this late as well. Not sure what's up with it, but I'll adjust my vote to the next most inactive:that is a good question why isn't revan on the execution list though lmao
linds post in a vacuum are enough to not consider a vote there todayI think the thing here is like, most people know lind is 95% indie anyways, but I just think (myself included) don't really want to take the super safe obvious vote when imo she's probably neutral at worst.
Like, Lind is probably never mafia because of this weird 2 game with the mafia being seperated thing. Lind is probably never something MEGA anti town like a cult leader or something of that caliber because way too much attention gets thrown on lind immediately by being in both games. Also the fact that lind has joined every wagon so far also gives some amount of town cred. So idk I personally feel like she might just be a survivor or something at worst and I don't really feel like dealing with that atm
Yeah, this lynch is interesting on multiple levels. The result will be telling.Just one player, that's fishy in a game so big.
It's like everyone is happy with the lynch iykwim
for posterityYeah, this lynch is interesting on multiple levels. The result will be telling.
Ive kinda settled on about half the value of a normal d1 red flipI hate this narrative. We can't conclusively say anything about it other than what was explicitly stated. In this very game, people mention a role madness is unpredictable - and yet others want to say they know for certain how the role works. That's incredibly suspicious behavior. If anything, it indicates to me that people are saying with confidence they knew he was a disconnected wolf and they're trying to divorce people from a useful day 1 vote.
I can't say for certain what it was and what it wasn't, but I know that no one else can other than the scum team themselves and that level of confidence and the discrediting is giving huge wolf vibes.
Seen it happen most of the day and it's something I'm going to be wary of when recombing through the thread.
If Lind is a 3rd party we have to find mafia first.linds post in a vacuum are enough to not consider a vote there today
It further confirms that we got lucky on LG and it wasn't based on genius scum reads.for posterity
if she flips town what do you think the results will tell
and if she flips scum what do you think the results will tell?
I guess this would make some sense from your pov as to why you would go after them post flower. So in your eyes, they are being selective? They don't confront you because of how defensive you have been, but will surely go after DDL? I think I'm understanding this a bit more.Trusts his town reads enoigh to not lynch me
Doesnt trust them enough to believr my TMI
You love to see it folks
is this a slipYeah, I enjoyed our team, too, but if Town can go against the rules like this, what should we do? Ofc it's annoying af.
Ballsy or over confident about something hmm
yeah, especially for laix I see this.
more sass or come at me from laix, it feels subdued from what I remember about her, but then again I'm not sure if I remember which alignment was her super sassy side
I think it is clear that LG did not share a chat with his team.Tbh I didn't read his whole post, just the part that I quoted. In the very next sentence he should we leave open to either option
I've just seen people say with high levels of confidence that they think LG and his team were unaware of each other and that smells fishy to me. LG might be a coaster, but he doesn't seem like the type of player to roll over and let his team mislynch like that. Would be blunder of the year. I just wanna say that we don't know for certain what the role and who knew what about it entailed.
Essentially, I have a FoS on pretty much anyone who is lying on either extreme of they did know/didn't know since the role was unclear and I think only scum would actually be influenced enough by their burden of information to allow their opinion on to be swayed to a side where they know they can frame the opposite end of the extreme.
If that makes sense, I can clarify further
Yeah, I enjoyed our team, too, but if Town can go against the rules like this, what should we do? Ofc it's annoying af.
The fact I also had interactions with Draekke like these while we both were town reading each other, makes me think it is a personality trait and not a conscious plan to gaslight as scum(there would be good reason to not gaslight me I think)My problem with Draekke is his arguments/statements feel like hes either gaslighting ppl or strawmaning them
If he just plays like this every game then fine, but it just reads like hes trying to make players fall into fall into a "gatcha" built on a disingenuous argument.
I also dont like the reasoning for some of his reads. Like saying Hidden is town based on poking and proding. Must be in some other convo because it sure aint this one![]()
i am by no means a good mafia player but 9/10 when people think i’m scummy i’m actually a townie who just had a meltdown and wants to screw town over
i actually did the same. i had a town lean on karma before it and i feel like he's playing the game. im not gonna say he definitely is town for it but im not gonna say he's definitely scum bussing his own mateIve kinda settled on about half the value of a normal d1 red flip
partnered with lg saying it wasnt based on anything LG did, its pretty mild cred to karma.
again have a town read that has waivered in strength on karma since d1, independent of the lynch
why do we need further confirmation on the first? literally not a single person has said they've had a genius scum read on him and it was pretty much, by the lynchers, said to be either luck or a coincidenceIt further confirms that we got lucky on LG and it wasn't based on genius scum reads.
If she flip scum we flip tables and rejoice.
If she town, then we look at all those who forced people to vote for the wagon. As their credibility would be seriously hit.
If you have been reading the game, you would know that I am not super fond of a number of his reads. Just like when draekke didnt like my reads D1Draks, ffs vote Lind now. Andrew trusts you enough that you can derail this. And I'm dying next night anyway, but we can at least try to still get my ability off. Lind will evolve with this lynch and help us big time.
I'm like, convinced this is a slip and confirms that Vany is town in case there was any confusion on that. Because I'm assuming the "go against the rules" bit is talking about putting flower up even though she didn't vote the wagon lolYeah, I enjoyed our team, too, but if Town can go against the rules like this, what should we do? Ofc it's annoying af.
That sounds like a decent town play to me. If you are over the top townie, you won't live long enough to do stuff you want to do. I take self meta with a grain of salt. If it is true, that could potentially be a light town off of the screw town bit as I can sort of see that. This quote reminds me of 2 other players that I'm sort of familiar with.i am by no means a good mafia player but 9/10 when people think i’m scummy i’m actually a townie who just had a meltdown and wants to screw town over
sounds like alwaysmind tbhi have not liked AlwaysMind a single time this entire game lmao
In the games I've played with him, he's been a serial killer once. But mainly town.
And in the serial killer game he really didn't give many reads and he posted a lot of drawings.
Can you honestly say she is town when her whole plan was from D1 to coast by her own words?
As for Draeke, his entrance to the game was downright bad, he used absurdly weak "reads" to make cases on people that lead nowhere, to me it seemed like someone who is desperate to fit in and establish himself as a townie in a non natural way. That's why i don't trust him, he just tries so fucking hard to be town