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Draekke said:
I've always been a proponent that there is no fluff necessary in a mafia game, and as such I will always poke and prod those who fluff. If you're not scumhunting, then you're not doing your job as town. You're right, I didn't have much read to base anything on, as I mentioned. I just posted the few people who I was able to get any kind of pattern or learn any information on.

And guess what - I feel like I've learned a ton about several players since I posted that. Put out bait, let people take it, reel in information. I'm going to answer a few questions and responses people had for me, then I'll sum up what I feel I've learned.
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Saya there is no need to fluff
Follows up by saying
I will always poke and prod those who fluff.

And please what scumhunting did you do so far huh?
 
JoJo said:
just based on the top 2 posters and from what ive seen based on their interactions. im a fan of neither of them.

flower - scum lean

too much random posting, im a huge fluff player but even i tend to not even get that circular when shitposting. usually tries to generate content after doing nothing imo. i cant really even say they've said or said or done anything specifically that's contributive to the thread. at best, their fluff posting, which is incredibly scummy makes people come out of the woodworks to call them out. personally i cant say much about who came out to call them out since the thread is a bit long and it's such an easy thing to do (even im doing it because i believe it to be strong enough to lean on them)

andrew - scum lean

i think it's always possible for someone to be able to read someone's posts in a thread and really tell when they're being genuine, like andrew has with the draekker. it's tough to explain, but basically it's a phenomena of using being able to use your emotional intelligence over a diluted medium like text.

anyways i said that this kind of thing, especially on easier town reads like draekker where it's not a bad lean is definitely doable. what sets me into scum lean territory is what a player can do on that, i.e. cultivate credit for it. not a fan of the heavy focus on it on such an early day one and it always felt like the discussion is kind of circular.

i get a scum lean on him from trying to push someone as a townie and he can go at it with the confidence because he knows theyre not on his team
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I was thinking about jojo's tone shift from this post calling me a "scum lean" to the next post discussing my slot as almost a pressumed scum flip, and trying to decide if it was a hedge from mafia to have some plausible deniability after my flip, but it reads more like legit town attempting to solve with some fluidity of thought between posts.

Hopefully we see more of this from jojo.

as an aside @JoJo the confidence and gusto I have when defending reads(even somewhat early or thin ones) is not new, even on this site. If we are town/town, some food for thought for you as you try to find me.
 
Vanya said:
My man comes, drops a new player read list that does notbing and he does nothing with it and acts like he is in the right lmao
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Assuming this is pointed at me, what about my response to your questions, and those of others, combined with my updated reads suggests to you that I'm doing nothing? If you've not been paying attention, I take into consideration all posts that someone makes, fluff or not, and the responses and defensiveness I've gotten from my posts has been illuminating. I could keep that info to myself, or share it with the group. There's a clear better choice there.

As has been mentioned, this lynch will be rather important to set up the next lynch and so on. The more we talk, the more info town has, the better chance we have at catching scum.

Also noted that you called me out to answer your questions about my post, but neglect to answer the question I posed to you. Why so defensive? Seems like you've got something to protect. And can you honestly give me a good reason why you would claim town day 1 so early, other than to try and convince the group that you're not scum? Nobody was pressing you, there was no imminent danger of lynch people were just annoyed with the latin speak.

What reads can you bring to the table aside from your own alignment and that you dislike AndrewGreve's defending of me?
 
Vanya said:
Saya there is no need to fluff
Follows up by saying
I will always poke and prod those who fluff.

And please what scumhunting did you do so far huh?
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I'm not sure where the disconnect is. I dislike fluffposts, so I press those who do so.

scumhunting may be the wrong term, as AG mentioned earlier, but at least I am attempting to try and discern some information, press those who I believe are acting poorly, and share my reads from those responses.
 
AndrewGreve said:
I was thinking about jojo's tone shift from this post calling me a "scum lean"
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what shift in tone lol? the majority of my second post was about people other than you, until i mentioned vanya, where i admittedly said i dont know too much about the business with them. mostly my awareness lies with people adjacent to him/her and just like with the read you had on draeakker, i filed it in the same manner of game with it. i dont really feel like reiterating my point about it either since it would just be another 5 or so lines and i cba

also the shift in the tone is strange. it really wasnt that much different, is one post making you shake a little or are you more cognizant of emotional qualities in a post because prior to that one i mentioned about it's not impossible to read emotions via text and you're trying to insert a moment where you have a pretty poor lapse of reading inbetween the text?

ok after typing out that second half, it sounds retarded so it's probably the first. but there really wasnt a shift in tone lol

AndrewGreve said:
trying to decide if it was a hedge from mafia to have some plausible deniability after my flip
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i dont see why you think you'll flip so suddenly. it's sus in and of itself that you think who/what you are would be revealed so quickly. you're incredibly antsy after a post. it's a scum lean on the top 2 posters whose interactions i didnt like that for the stated reasons. i've played with you before btw, you dont remember

or maybe you do, i was the tri-role indie

AndrewGreve said:
as an aside @JoJo the confidence and gusto I have when defending reads(even somewhat early or thin ones) is not new, even on this site. If we are town/town, some food for thought for you as you try to find me.
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yes, i'm aware. part of the point is that you can say it was such confidence for either one or both of them because you know they'll flip town and you can backtrack to it as a eureka moment, "aha, see I was right, they're town!" i dont know about other sites, but ive seen very gameplay elements of mafia where they try and take control of the thread and hide in plain site.

im just calling what i see
 
Draekke said:
Assuming this is pointed at me, what about my response to your questions, and those of others, combined with my updated reads suggests to you that I'm doing nothing? If you've not been paying attention, I take into consideration all posts that someone makes, fluff or not, and the responses and defensiveness I've gotten from my posts has been illuminating. I could keep that info to myself, or share it with the group. There's a clear better choice there.

As has been mentioned, this lynch will be rather important to set up the next lynch and so on. The more we talk, the more info town has, the better chance we have at catching scum.

Also noted that you called me out to answer your questions about my post, but neglect to answer the question I posed to you. Why so defensive? Seems like you've got something to protect. And can you honestly give me a good reason why you would claim town day 1 so early, other than to try and convince the group that you're not scum? Nobody was pressing you, there was no imminent danger of lynch people were just annoyed with the latin speak.

What reads can you bring to the table aside from your own alignment and that you dislike AndrewGreve's defending of me?
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My fav part about this post is that you are calling me defensive when i am pretty aggressive so far. You are putting a narrative that isnt true to undermine my position

You say i claimed town when even if i did, so what? It is something any ant with a brain will and would do and shitload of players did it so far in the game. Yet you single me out once again. Undermine attempt #2

And you end it with asking me for reads - asking someone you went to undermine in the very same post.

So even if i give you reads what good will it do considerinf you will just undermine them too?
 
Draekke said:
I'm not sure where the disconnect is. I dislike fluffposts, so I press those who do so.

scumhunting may be the wrong term, as AG mentioned earlier, but at least I am attempting to try and discern some information, press those who I believe are acting poorly, and share my reads from those responses.
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Disconnect is that the very same thing you said shouldnt be done is the same thing you use to gain leverage and start playing.

That
Makes
No
Sense

So you admit you arent scum hunting, just throwibg random shit in the air and watching where they will fall?

Didnt i say what you did is sowing disent?
 
Vanya said:
My fav part about this post is that you are calling me defensive when i am pretty aggressive so far. You are putting a narrative that isnt true to undermine my position

You say i claimed town when even if i did, so what? It is something any ant with a brain will and would do and shitload of players did it so far in the game. Yet you single me out once again. Undermine attempt #2

And you end it with asking me for reads - asking someone you went to undermine in the very same post.

So even if i give you reads what good will it do considerinf you will just undermine them too?
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When someone calls you out for something, and you respond aggressively like you did, that is considered being defensive in response. You feel attacked, so you defend yourself by getting angry and throwing blame elsewhere. I am not undermining you at all, thank you.

Nobody so blatantly is trying to convince us that a) they are a specific role, and b) they are a specific alignment, because "obviously" your role is town. Completely different from what anyone else has said.

Yes, of course I want your reads, that's a weird thing to say. Once again for the people in the back: "The More Information Shared with the Group, the Better it is for Town." I'll only undermine your reads if you give me reason to do so.
 
Vanya said:
Disconnect is that the very same thing you said shouldnt be done is the same thing you use to gain leverage and start playing.

That
Makes
No
Sense

So you admit you arent scum hunting, just throwibg random shit in the air and watching where they will fall?

Didnt i say what you did is sowing disent?
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Now who is putting out a narrative that isn't true?

I've stated very clearly how I play this game, and have showed that with my actions. I make reads, then wait for people to react, then adjust my reads based on reactions. And yours are some of the worst reactions I've seen in a while. You are at the top of my scum list tbh.
 
Draekke said:
someone calls you out for something, and you respond aggressively like you did, that is considered being defensive in response. You feel attacked, so you defend yourself by getting angry and throwing blame elsewhere. I am not undermining you at all, thank you.
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Ive been pushing you and andrew for a while now. People already called me aggressive, you are the only one who thinks i am defensive so far. And you try to pin defensivnes as a scummy thing to do when it really isnt.

Undermine like i said

Draekke said:
Nobody so blatantly is trying to convince us that a) they are a specific role, and b) they are a specific alignment, because "obviously" your role is town. Completely different from what anyone else has said
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Like anyone here actually has me as town bcs of me calling myself town lmao

Cmon man you are blatantly scrambling for stuff to undermine me for


Draekke said:
Yes, of course I want your reads, that's a weird thing to say. Once again for the people in the back: "The More Information Shared with the Group, the Better it is for Town." I'll only undermine your reads if you give me reason to do so.
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I read that you are scum trying to steer the game rather than leading it. You undermine me only to ask reads in same post. Andrew defends you and he insta town for you while completly ignoring that from our viewpoint he can be someone leeching to you or scum buddy defending you.
 
JoJo said:
what shift in tone lol? the majority of my second post was about people other than you, until i mentioned vanya, where i admittedly said i dont know too much about the business with them. mostly my awareness lies with people adjacent to him/her and just like with the read you had on draeakker, i filed it in the same manner of game with it. i dont really feel like reiterating my point about it either since it would just be another 5 or so lines and i cba

also the shift in the tone is strange. it really wasnt that much different, is one post making you shake a little or are you more cognizant of emotional qualities in a post because prior to that one i mentioned about it's not impossible to read emotions via text and you're trying to insert a moment where you have a pretty poor lapse of reading inbetween the text?

ok after typing out that second half, it sounds retarded so it's probably the first. but there really wasnt a shift in tone lol
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Maybe I was hyper sensitive to the two different posts but on first glance the second post was discussing my slot as a presummed flip. Its all good I decided it was just normal flow and I was wrong on it potentially being more.
JoJo said:
i dont see why you think you'll flip so suddenly. it's sus in and of itself that you think who/what you are would be revealed so quickly. you're incredibly antsy after a post. it's a scum lean on the top 2 posters whose interactions i didnt like that for the stated reasons.
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I don't have any idea when I will die, I very rarely die early. I was just trying to solve your slot. I added a little reminder about how I played the last game we played together. I actually assumped you will have time to find me.

JoJo said:
i've played with you before btw, you dont rememberor maybe you do, i was the tri-role indie
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Yeah I mentioned a bit to lukundo when he said you were a wolf or someone he would have a hard time with your personality. Just told him we worked together last year and I wasnt sure how hard it was to figure we had the same wincon, but I remember trying to solve with you.

JoJo said:
yes, i'm aware. part of the point is that you can say it was such confidence for either one or both of them because you know they'll flip town and you can backtrack to it as a eureka moment, "aha, see I was right, they're town!" i dont know about other sites, but ive seen very gameplay elements of mafia where they try and take control of the thread and hide in plain site.

im just calling what i see
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all good, I thought your read on me was perfectly reasonable. I was going to wait for swordsman to finish his thoughts after asking me a question before saying this, but players saying my reads feel a little TMI seems like a valid thought process to me.

I wasnt trying to make a rush to get you to change your read. I was just solving your slot, giving my thoughts, and reminding you that I, specifically, have a tendency to have strong takes on weaker evidence/reads(in our own history together)
 
Draekke said:
Now who is putting out a narrative that isn't true?

I've stated very clearly how I play this game, and have showed that with my actions. I make reads, then wait for people to react, then adjust my reads based on reactions. And yours are some of the worst reactions I've seen in a while. You are at the top of my scum list tbh.
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How it isnt true when i literally quoted 2 posts from you that show word by word what you claimed?
 
Vanya said:
Ive been pushing you and andrew for a while now. People already called me aggressive, you are the only one who thinks i am defensive so far. And you try to pin defensivnes as a scummy thing to do when it really isnt.

Undermine like i said


Like anyone here actually has me as town bcs of me calling myself town lmao

Cmon man you are blatantly scrambling for stuff to undermine me for



I read that you are scum trying to steer the game rather than leading it. You undermine me only to ask reads in same post. Andrew defends you and he insta town for you while completly ignoring that from our viewpoint he can be someone leeching to you or scum buddy defending you.
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Several people have stated that for a reason to defend you. Don't pretend like it was just a fun fluff thing you did. The only reason to roleclaim and alignment claim at the time that you did is to try to confuse people. The mafia would have already known that, so if you had no pressure on you, revealing just sounds like an attempt to throw people off of your scent. Some people buy it. I don't.

My reads on AG were not because of his read on me, it was because he was one of the other people actively trying to sus out information. Which I mention in my read.

Maybe you're right that you aren't being defensive. I'm not always right. But to me you're screaming it.
 
Vanya said:
How it isnt true when i literally quoted 2 posts from you that show word by word what you claimed?
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Because you're actively trying to misconstrue what I said as a negative, chaotic and random happenstance. I specifically put lists of people together early to throw reads out to then see how they react. Then from those reactions I glean information. I've stated it very clearly multiple times now, and you are the one who is trying to scramble my words, and make them mean the opposite.
 
AndrewGreve said:
just meant we dont need to consider votes or kill power there, at least till d2 or 3.

Its not an uncommon way to say you sorted a player as an early town read and will reconsider later if needed where I play.

on a seperate note I think pushing on a player for a list like draekke's is very rarely going to do anything aside from an occasional mis-lynch, and waiting for more content from Draekke in general is going to be way more fruitful. This may be a stylistic thing, but its what I normally see.
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Draeke posted his statements. Saying he is fluffy is not considered as reads. He said Alibaba, Flower, The Ancient, etc fluffed but he did not say if they're town or not. If I say Flower or etc fluffed a lot that doesn't mean I give my reads about them. It's me stating what they did.

Scum can also fake their reads to get town creed.

You immediately town read Draeke is not a good look. Everyone is not confirmed on day 1
 
Draekke said:
My reads on AG were not because of his read on me, it was because he was one of the other people actively trying to sus out information. Which I mention in my read.
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If you are able, try to consider vanya's push on you(and me) and ask if it is trying to sus out information. It can be a bit tough since it is directed at you and vanya is a bit abbrasive, but I think its been fairly consistent progression and responses in general.

I think vanya has very clearly been trying to sus out info at least as much(if not more) than me.
 
AndrewGreve said:
Maybe I was hyper sensitive to the two different posts but on first glance the second post was discussing my slot as a presummed flip. Its all good I decided it was just normal flow and I was wrong on it potentially being more.
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in familiar terms, "all possibilities listed"

i cant say anything for certain since it's just day 1,i just like to point out what i see
AndrewGreve said:
added a little reminder about how I played the last game we played together. I actually assumped you will have time to find me.
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can you point it out to me

either i didnt see it or im retarded :skully
AndrewGreve said:
Yeah I mentioned a bit to lukundo when he said you were a wolf or someone he would have a hard time with your personality. Just told him we worked together last year and I wasnt sure how hard it was to figure we had the same wincon, but I remember trying to solve with you.
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i dont know what a wolf personality is, but i definitely do like a little bit of trolling that makes me hard to read (i.e. tri-role indie)
AndrewGreve said:
I wasnt trying to make a rush to get you to change your read. I was just solving your slot, giving my thoughts, and reminding you that I, specifically, have a tendency to have strong takes on weaker evidence/reads(in our own history together)
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It makes sense and was something I considered. i dont think you interactions are particularly negative, that being said. i just cant say im a fan of the directions things are taking, but that can always be a given when you operate on little to no information

btw feel free to elaborate further on your thoughts concerning vanya
 
Traveling Swordsman said:
Draeke posted his statements. Saying he is fluffy is not considered as reads. He said Alibaba, Flower, The Ancient, etc fluffed but he did not say if they're town or not. If I say Flower or etc fluffed a lot that doesn't mean I give my reads about them. It's me stating what they did.

Scum can also fake their reads to get town creed.

You immediately town read Draeke is not a good look. Everyone is not confirmed on day 1
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I make reads with that often, esp on d1 since we need to sort quickly for the first lynch. saying someone is a clear D1 town read means(to me) that they are towny enough to not vote d1. It doesnt extend past d1 without more content that confirms or aligns with the read.

I dont think Draekk's posts were impossible to fake as mafia, but good enough for me to defend from d1 lynch.

I understand you disagree, and took note of why you think I am wrong.

thanks.
 
Traveling Swordsman said:
Draeke posted his statements. Saying he is fluffy is not considered as reads. He said Alibaba, Flower, The Ancient, etc fluffed but he did not say if they're town or not. If I say Flower or etc fluffed a lot that doesn't mean I give my reads about them. It's me stating what they did.

Scum can also fake their reads to get town creed.

You immediately town read Draeke is not a good look. Everyone is not confirmed on day 1
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Yes, we've been through this. Apparently you guys are very specific these days about what the word read means, I think of it synonymously with thoughts. I don't like people fluffing for the sake of fluffing, which again I've stated multiple times, so I include that in my notes and thoughts.

AndrewGreve said:
If you are able, try to consider vanya's push on you(and me) and ask if it is trying to sus out information. It can be a bit tough since it is directed at you and vanya is a bit abbrasive, but I think its been fairly consistent progression and responses in general.

I think vanya has very clearly been trying to sus out info at least as much(if not more) than me.
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Honestly though what else has Vanya brought to the thread? Not much. And when I ask them for more info and reads, they cop out saying I wouldn't believe them and try and use it against them.

I haven't put a vote out for Vanya solely because of the amount of people in here who have town reads on them, because I know I'm not always right. But removing all pressure also seems like a dumb move... we can't assume anyone is town right now.
 
JoJo said:
in familiar terms, "all possibilities listed"

i cant say anything for certain since it's just day 1,i just like to point out what i see

can you point it out to me
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AndrewGreve said:
as an aside @JoJo the confidence and gusto I have when defending reads(even somewhat early or thin ones) is not new, even on this site. If we are town/town, some food for thought for you as you try to find me.
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Just this little bit here.
JoJo said:
i dont know what a wolf personality is, but i definitely do like a little bit of trolling that makes me hard to read (i.e. tri-role indie)
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sorry, very first place I played mafia, it was called werewolf, and it was wolf vs villagers.
JoJo said:
It makes sense and was something I considered. i dont think you interactions are particularly negative, that being said. i just cant say im a fan of the directions things are taking, but that can always be a given when you operate on little to no information

btw feel free to elaborate further on your thoughts concerning vanya
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I might have a soft spot for hyper aggressive/abbrasive players that look like they are trying hard, care about what they say, AND what others say to them.

I have mislynched that that type of player more than any other.

Vanya looks like they are trying to solve rather than looking for an excuse for a vote target.
For day 1 it is a very strong read in my book.

There is a different type of hyper aggressive/abbrasive player that is a wolf trying to bully and control the thread. I dont get the vibe from vanya, and non of his interruptations of my posts that were incorrect, felt forced. seemed like very natural attempts to understand me that were incorrect.
 
Draekke said:
Honestly though what else has Vanya brought to the thread? Not much. And when I ask them for more info and reads, they cop out saying I wouldn't believe them and try and use it against them.

I haven't put a vote out for Vanya solely because of the amount of people in here who have town reads on them, because I know I'm not always right. But removing all pressure also seems like a dumb move... we can't assume anyone is town right now.
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I'll add a few things and then move on and leave you be on this:

-From an outside perspective it looks like two people talking past each other, regardless of both of your alignments.

-I think for halfway through day 1 vanya has done plenty

-Removing all pressure is not the same as moving on after pressure was applied and responded to in a 24 hour day with 30-40 players.
Taking time to chill, digest, and reassess over time is optimal imo.

-also giving both of you space to interact with others will help the village solve your slots better, and solve the rest of the game you interact with better too.

of course I am a bit bias'd since I have you both as T/T
 
AndrewGreve said:
sorry, very first place I played mafia, it was called werewolf, and it was wolf vs villagers.
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i see

probably better to ask him on his opinion as well, since i actually dunno who he is.

@The Lukundo

can you elaborate on me having a wolf personality

AndrewGreve said:
There is a different type of hyper aggressive/abbrasive player that is a wolf trying to bully and control the thread. I dont get the vibe from vanya, and non of his interruptations of my posts that were incorrect, felt forced. seemed like very natural attempts to understand me that were incorrect.
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Interesting read. I don't really mind the aggression, I like aggressive players. I even like keeping them alive because typically the aggressive player tells more about the game than the passive players (all of this irrespective to post count). I'll probably have to go through all the posts again, but I could easily see him fraud something like that as mafia.

@Vanya tell me about urself bruv

how's ur day
what'd u eat
any reads
what players do u wanna hear more from that havent posted a lot
did u brush ur teeth
 
AndrewGreve said:
I make reads with that often, esp on d1 since we need to sort quickly for the first lynch. saying someone is a clear D1 town read means(to me) that they are towny enough to not vote d1. It doesnt extend past d1 without more content that confirms or aligns with the read.

I dont think Draekk's posts were impossible to fake as mafia, but good enough for me to defend from d1 lynch.

I understand you disagree, and took note of why you think I am wrong.

thanks.
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So that's your play style. Which players do you sus/town read?
Draekke said:
Yes, we've been through this. Apparently you guys are very specific these days about what the word read means, I think of it synonymously with thoughts. I don't like people fluffing for the sake of fluffing, which again I've stated multiple times, so I include that in my notes and thoughts.
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You're neutral for me atm. Are there any players who you sus/town read?
 
Day 1 - Vote count 1
  • Index
    • Hello hello,

    there are about 12.5 hours left in the day, so here's a vote count as of post #747:
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    Spoiler: Vote count
    1. @Admiral Fujitora - Flower
    2. @Alibaba Saluja
    3. @Alwaysmind - Flower > Fujitora
    4. @AndrewGreve
    5. @Atlantic Storm
    6. @Cooler
    7. @Draekke
    8. @Dragon D. Luffy - AndrewGreve
    9. @FLORIDA MAN
    10. @Flower - Fujitora
    11. @Hidden - AndrewGreve > Lord Genome
    12. @Ishmael
    13. @JoJo
    14. @Karma
    15. @Laix - Jojo
    16. @Legend
    17. @Lind
    18. @Lord Genome
    19. @MangoSenpai
    20. @Mich
    21. @nfcnorth
    22. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Vanya
    23. @Revan Reborn
    24. @Rottkins
    25. @Sallucion
    26. @Saturday - Legend > DDL
    27. @Shrike
    28. @The Lukundo - Jojo
    29. @TheAncientCenturion - Flower > Lind > Fujitora
    30. @Traveling Swordsman
    31. @Ultra - TheAncientCenturion > Flower > Laix
    32. @Underworld Broker
    33. @Vanya
    34. @Vivo Diez
    35. @~Mystic Serenade~


    Leaderboard

    Fujitora:     3
    Jojo: 2

    Remember that everyone who doesn't vote is considered to be casting two votes against themselves.    ​
     
    Shizune said:
    Hello hello,

    there are about 12.5 hours left in the day, so here's a vote count as of post #747:
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    Spoiler: Vote count
    1. @Admiral Fujitora - Flower
    2. @Alibaba Saluja
    3. @Alwaysmind - Flower > Fujitora
    4. @AndrewGreve
    5. @Atlantic Storm
    6. @Cooler
    7. @Draekke
    8. @Dragon D. Luffy - AndrewGreve
    9. @FLORIDA MAN
    10. @Flower - Fujitora
    11. @Hidden - AndrewGreve > Lord Genome
    12. @Ishmael
    13. @JoJo
    14. @Karma
    15. @Laix - Jojo
    16. @Legend
    17. @Lind
    18. @Lord Genome
    19. @MangoSenpai
    20. @Mich
    21. @nfcnorth
    22. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Vanya
    23. @Revan Reborn
    24. @Rottkins
    25. @Sallucion
    26. @Saturday - Legend > DDL
    27. @Shrike
    28. @The Lukundo - Jojo
    29. @TheAncientCenturion - Flower > Lind > Fujitora
    30. @Traveling Swordsman
    31. @Ultra - TheAncientCenturion > Flower > Laix
    32. @Underworld Broker
    33. @Vanya
    34. @Vivo Diez
    35. @~Mystic Serenade~


    Leaderboard

    Fujitora:     3
    Jojo: 2

    Remember that everyone who doesn't vote is considered to be casting two votes against themselves.    ​
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    son i didn’t vote that means i have 4

    update it, i refuse to be seen as second place :ufdup
     
    Shizune said:
    Hello hello,

    there are about 12.5 hours left in the day, so here's a vote count as of post #747:
    ​
    Spoiler: Vote count
    1. @Admiral Fujitora - Flower
    2. @Alibaba Saluja
    3. @Alwaysmind - Flower > Fujitora
    4. @AndrewGreve
    5. @Atlantic Storm
    6. @Cooler
    7. @Draekke
    8. @Dragon D. Luffy - AndrewGreve
    9. @FLORIDA MAN
    10. @Flower - Fujitora
    11. @Hidden - AndrewGreve > Lord Genome
    12. @Ishmael
    13. @JoJo
    14. @Karma
    15. @Laix - Jojo
    16. @Legend
    17. @Lind
    18. @Lord Genome
    19. @MangoSenpai
    20. @Mich
    21. @nfcnorth
    22. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Vanya
    23. @Revan Reborn
    24. @Rottkins
    25. @Sallucion
    26. @Saturday - Legend > DDL
    27. @Shrike
    28. @The Lukundo - Jojo
    29. @TheAncientCenturion - Flower > Lind > Fujitora
    30. @Traveling Swordsman
    31. @Ultra - TheAncientCenturion > Flower > Laix
    32. @Underworld Broker
    33. @Vanya
    34. @Vivo Diez
    35. @~Mystic Serenade~


    Leaderboard

    Fujitora:     3
    Jojo: 2

    Remember that everyone who doesn't vote is considered to be casting two votes against themselves.    ​
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    We have just few votes and 2 wagons at the middle of the day?
    I certainly have to read to see why
     
    Traveling Swordsman said:
    So that's your play style. Which players do you sus/town read?

    You're neutral for me atm. Are there any players who you sus/town read?
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    This is my town pile loosely ordered by strength of read:
    Vanya
    Draekke
    JoJo
    shrike
    Ultra
    Swordsman
    alwaysmind


    my scum leans:
    Lukundo - read on jojo was weak, his take on vanya/AG had less too it than I expected. Just over all lacking in content when he used to top post, and really thought the read on jojo was lazy. hoping for more

    Flower - kinda phoning it in, just spamming people to give GTH reads, with no feed back or opinions on anything. Lukundo's posts on flower were prob his best.

    Ishmael - could be a player that cant be asked or bothered to try very hard, but the posts felt like scum wanting to excuse their lack of play, rather than a town player that wasnt feeling the game and didnt want to put in effort. Also I think they said they read a number of pages (11?) and still gave literally zero thoughts or posts of content.


    everyone else would fall in some level of null lean.
     
    AndrewGreve said:
    This is my town pile loosely ordered by strength of read:
    Vanya
    Draekke
    JoJo
    shrike
    Ultra
    Swordsman
    alwaysmind


    my scum leans:
    Lukundo - read on jojo was weak, his take on vanya/AG had less too it than I expected. Just over all lacking in content when he used to top post, and really thought the read on jojo was lazy. hoping for more

    Flower - kinda phoning it in, just spamming people to give GTH reads, with no feed back or opinions on anything. Lukundo's posts on flower were prob his best.

    Ishmael - could be a player that cant be asked or bothered to try very hard, but the posts felt like scum wanting to excuse their lack of play, rather than a town player that wasnt feeling the game and didnt want to put in effort. Also I think they said they read a number of pages (11?) and still gave literally zero thoughts or posts of content.


    everyone else would fall in some level of null lean.
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    Andrew!
    Give me details about Jojo and Luke please
     
    JoJo said:
    how's ur day
    what'd u eat
    any reads
    what players do u wanna hear more from that havent posted a lot
    did u brush ur teeth
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    Been good, slept well, ate pizza roll, at work, no one in particular i read them as thet come, tho flowa is confident and relaxed this game but doesnt have anythinf gameplay wise to back up that playstyle which is telling of her position in game hence why a good lynch if not for Draeke
     
    Mich said:
    Andrew!
    Give me details about Jojo and Luke please
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    you read lukundo way better than I so I would ask you to iso there.

    Oh it was Lukundo's read on Draekke I didnt like. Luk gave some vague reasoning along the lines of "this answer isnt good enough" and when I asked him to elaborate on a few different things he hasnt responded.

    Jojo has show a towny willingness to reconsider and re-engage slots. Not impossible to replicate as mafia, but can be tough depending on how strong jojo is at fabricating reads, and a good look regardless.

    Luk just said on jojo "jojo is mafia or I just dont like jojo's personality."
     
    AndrewGreve said:
    This is my town pile loosely ordered by strength of read:
    Vanya
    Draekke
    JoJo
    shrike
    Ultra
    Swordsman
    alwaysmind


    my scum leans:
    Lukundo - read on jojo was weak, his take on vanya/AG had less too it than I expected. Just over all lacking in content when he used to top post, and really thought the read on jojo was lazy. hoping for more

    Flower - kinda phoning it in, just spamming people to give GTH reads, with no feed back or opinions on anything. Lukundo's posts on flower were prob his best.

    Ishmael - could be a player that cant be asked or bothered to try very hard, but the posts felt like scum wanting to excuse their lack of play, rather than a town player that wasnt feeling the game and didnt want to put in effort. Also I think they said they read a number of pages (11?) and still gave literally zero thoughts or posts of content.


    everyone else would fall in some level of null lean.
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    What about me 🥺
     
    Shizune said:
    Hello hello,

    there are about 12.5 hours left in the day, so here's a vote count as of post #747:
    ​
    Spoiler: Vote count
    1. @Admiral Fujitora - Flower
    2. @Alibaba Saluja
    3. @Alwaysmind - Flower > Fujitora
    4. @AndrewGreve
    5. @Atlantic Storm
    6. @Cooler
    7. @Draekke
    8. @Dragon D. Luffy - AndrewGreve
    9. @FLORIDA MAN
    10. @Flower - Fujitora
    11. @Hidden - AndrewGreve > Lord Genome
    12. @Ishmael
    13. @JoJo
    14. @Karma
    15. @Laix - Jojo
    16. @Legend
    17. @Lind
    18. @Lord Genome
    19. @MangoSenpai
    20. @Mich
    21. @nfcnorth
    22. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Vanya
    23. @Revan Reborn
    24. @Rottkins
    25. @Sallucion
    26. @Saturday - Legend > DDL
    27. @Shrike
    28. @The Lukundo - Jojo
    29. @TheAncientCenturion - Flower > Lind > Fujitora
    30. @Traveling Swordsman
    31. @Ultra - TheAncientCenturion > Flower > Laix
    32. @Underworld Broker
    33. @Vanya
    34. @Vivo Diez
    35. @~Mystic Serenade~


    Leaderboard

    Fujitora:     3
    Jojo: 2

    Remember that everyone who doesn't vote is considered to be casting two votes against themselves.    ​
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    Imagine you making this effort to incentivize players not to off itself by default only to have 2/3 of players qualify themselves for said lynch
     
    AndrewGreve said:
    you would be in the last catagory.

    I remember seeing your name but couldnt describe a single post of yours. Its not good that I dont remember your posts, but it will only be bad if I never get anything to form an opinion.
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    Shhhhhh, he’s on vaccay. He doesn’t have time.
    The wife or husband will take over the account and Saturdayneill be one Sunday.
     
    Reads:

    Vanya: As I said, he‘s giving me strong Town vibes. He combines RP with a Town mindset. Town read.
    Fuji: Gives me the opposite vibes as Vanya. Scum lean.
    Andrew: Driving the discussion. Generally doesn‘t look much different from the last two years. Town lean.
    Ultra: Him interacting with me was a good sign. Town lean.
    Karma: A bit lackluster so far. Would expect more from @Karma .
    DDL: Same boat as Karma. He‘s a great player, so would be good to have more from him @Dragon D. Luffy .
    Luk: This guy is just Town. Never lynch there.
    Laix: Mostly fluff, I laughed at the Sasuke question. Null.
    Alibaba: Can be anything, but isn‘t showing any scum tells yet. Slight Town lean, maybe.
    AM: Can be anything, but I like his activity.
    LG: Try harder, man. You can do it @Lord Genome .
    Draekke: I‘m on the fence here, though their solving feels genuine, at least, and not agenda driven.
    Jojo: Gives me Jester vibes.
     
    Flower said:
    Reads:

    Vanya: As I said, he‘s giving me strong Town vibes. He combines RP with a Town mindset. Town read.
    Fuji: Gives me the opposite vibes as Vanya. Scum lean.
    Andrew: Driving the discussion. Generally doesn‘t look much different from the last two years. Town lean.
    Ultra: Him interacting with me was a good sign. Town lean.
    Karma: A bit lackluster so far. Would expect more from @Karma .
    DDL: Same boat as Karma. He‘s a great player, so would be good to have more from him @Dragon D. Luffy .
    Luk: This guy is just Town. Never lynch there.
    Laix: Mostly fluff, I laughed at the Sasuke question. Null.
    Alibaba: Can be anything, but isn‘t showing any scum tells yet. Slight Town lean, maybe.
    AM: Can be anything, but I like his activity.
    LG: Try harder, man. You can do it @Lord Genome .
    Draekke: I‘m on the fence here, though their solving feels genuine, at least, and not agenda driven.
    Jojo: Gives me Jester vibes.
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    I’ll concur with that jojo read. Called it in page 1. https://www.fanverse.org/threads/favorites-22-group-1.1258485/post-64678075

    it would be so befitting a jester’s death if Jojo offs herself because she didn’t vote. :lmao
     
    Flower said:
    Reads:

    Vanya: As I said, he‘s giving me strong Town vibes. He combines RP with a Town mindset. Town read.
    Fuji: Gives me the opposite vibes as Vanya. Scum lean.
    Andrew: Driving the discussion. Generally doesn‘t look much different from the last two years. Town lean.
    Ultra: Him interacting with me was a good sign. Town lean.
    Karma: A bit lackluster so far. Would expect more from @Karma .
    DDL: Same boat as Karma. He‘s a great player, so would be good to have more from him @Dragon D. Luffy .
    Luk: This guy is just Town. Never lynch there.
    Laix: Mostly fluff, I laughed at the Sasuke question. Null.
    Alibaba: Can be anything, but isn‘t showing any scum tells yet. Slight Town lean, maybe.
    AM: Can be anything, but I like his activity.
    LG: Try harder, man. You can do it @Lord Genome .
    Draekke: I‘m on the fence here, though their solving feels genuine, at least, and not agenda driven.
    Jojo: Gives me Jester vibes.
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    Your reads are extremely safe and or parroting of others, like the Luko read which seems to be parroting what DDl said. Im pretty sure youre doing the same with your town read of Vanya.

    Also your lean on me is just weak and nonsensical, were those opposite vibes litteraly because I was “opposing” him in the Rome fluff?
     
    Admiral Fujitora said:
    Your reads are extremely safe and or parroting of others, like the Luko read which seems to be parroting what DDl said. Im pretty sure youre doing the same with your town read of Vanya.

    Also your lean on me is just weak and nonsensical, were those opposite vibes litteraly because I was “opposing” him in the Rome fluff?
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    Where am I parroting? I was the first to bring this up.

    And yes, you think it‘s just fluff or started as a joke vote, but that wasn‘t the case. Your replies to Vanya just seemed shady af. And I don‘t see much of a Townie mindset from you so far. So, what can you bring to the table?
     
    Admiral Fujitora said:
    Then he/she would be the most obvious jester in existence mate.
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    I also note that while she pointed out that she’s in fact in the lead because she did g vote, she also does not seem to be in any rush to stop that either. In fact she even made the effort to point it out to the host that she’s going to Tyburn tonight.
     
    Flower said:
    Where am I parroting? I was the first to bring this up.
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    I dont think you were, pretty sure DDL was the one that did.
    Flower said:
    And yes, you think it‘s just fluff or started as a joke vote, but that wasn‘t the case. Your replies to Vanya just seemed shady af.
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    Which parts lel? You might as well have said nothing in this part and it would have the same value when read.
    Flower said:
    And I don‘t see much of a Townie mindset from you so far. So, what can you bring to the table?
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    Define townie mindset? Is it giving a reads list that doesnt take any sort of stance? Or is it asking people for reads ad nauseum but doing nothing with said responses and or building an opinion from them? (Cleadly given that youre neutral on everyone)
     
    before I go to bed, here’s my list so far:

    Rome - townie/indie
    Karma - scum lean, mostly fluff. Posts lack consistence.
    Flower - townie, I like her play. Engaged
    Jojo - jester lean
    dreake - I dunno, townie or indie, has had terrible read
     
    Admiral Fujitora said:
    I dont think you were, pretty sure DDL was the one that did.

    Which parts lel? You might as well have said nothing in this part and it would have the same value when read.

    Define townie mindset? Is it giving a reads list that doesnt take any sort of stance? Or is it asking people for reads ad nauseum but doing nothing with said responses and or building an opinion from them? (Cleadly given that youre neutral on everyone)
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    Wrong:

    This was me Town leaning Luk:


    The Lukundo said:
    AG does look worse in AG vs Vanya.
    BUT
    I don't think AG is actually scummy for it.

    I think AG looks bad rather than is scum.

    If that makes sense.
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    Flower said:
    I am of the impression they're both just players with clashing personalities than clashing alignments.

    Giving you Townie points for that observation.
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    Dragon D. Luffy said:
    Lukundo is practically an innocent child, never lynch.
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    Here^ DDL did over an hour later.

    So again, where am I parroting? Haven‘t thought this through, have you?

    By Townie mindset I mean, trying to game solve. Trying to get sth going. At least give a read list or sth. I haven‘t seen much from you in that regard.
     
    Updating then going to bed


    Vanya/Rome - townie/indie, as I’ve mentioned before, it would be silly for scum or anti rien to reveal themselves a few hours into the game and put a target on its back.
    Karma - scum lean, mostly fluff. Posts lack consistence.
    Flower - townie, I like her play. Engaged
    Jojo - jester lean
    dreake - I dunno, townie or indie, has had terrible read
    Admiral - not town lean, that bit against Italy was not the greatest.
     
    Flower said:
    Wrong:

    This was me Town leaning Luk:









    Here^ DDL did over an hour later.

    So again, where am I parroting? Haven‘t thought this through, have you?

    By Townie mindset I mean, trying to game solve. Trying to get sth going. At least give a read list or sth. I haven‘t seen much from you in that regard.
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    You parroted the never lynch strong town read that DDL gave out, your interraction with Luko didnt seem to indicate such a strong town read from him. All you did was basically give him townie points which doesnt equate to what you wrote in your reads and I mean its word for word what DDL said.

    As for game solving, I did my fair share after I came back. Giving out meaningless reads like yours isnt and shouldnt be considered game solving.
     
    Underworld Broker said:
    Point me at least to some of the spicy/funny drama that happened, might read that first since i have like 15 mins rn
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    First few pages is the Glory of Rome. Basically Vanya does some RP and people reacted to it. You should prob read that and give your opinion on it.
    Then a whole bit of Draekke vs Vanya.
    And more, but those were the biggest parts of the day so far.
     
    Underworld Broker said:
    Point me at least to some of the spicy/funny drama that happened, might read that first since i have like 15 mins rn
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    You’ll want to read that Rome but half way into the game
     
    Admiral Fujitora said:
    You parroted the never lynch strong town read that DDL gave out, your interraction with Luko didnt seem to indicate such a strong town read from him. All you did was basically give him townie points which doesnt equate to what you wrote in your reads and I mean its word for word what DDL said.

    As for game solving, I did my fair share after I came back. Giving out meaningless reads like yours isnt and shouldnt be considered game solving.
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    I gave him Townie points because his solving felt pure and I like his observation. Townie points is a Town read in my book.

    And meaningless reads? How are they meaningless when they‘re my reads? Those are my thoughts on the game. Are you trying to discredit me there?
     
    Flower said:
    First few pages is the Glory of Rome. Basically Vanya does some RP and people reacted to it. You should prob read that and give your opinion on it.
    Then a whole bit of Draekke vs Vanya.
    And more, but those were the biggest parts of the day so far.
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    Someone going against vanya? Hope its as entertaining as it sounds lol

    Is draekke someone from WG?
     
    Did I say half way? I’m meant to say 4 pages in. This is how it started, Rome talking about fishes:

    Game - Favorites '22 - GROUP 1

    Salvete homines boni! Habeamus ludum delicatus!
    www.fanverse.org www.fanverse.org
     
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