Game Favorites '22 - GROUP 1

[Draekke]

Tho ill still go for draeke and laix post flower

I'd prefer you didn't, but I can understand why you would. Maybe something will change your mind.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Vanya claims Rome hard. Claims DDL was TMI Teammate. DDL comes up as Mars, which has a group chat with Rome and Hades.

Oh. Well…

 

[Vanya]

Because all of the rest of my town reads were saying Vanya was town. I didn't stop pressing him, and I continued to press others.

Trusts his town reads enoigh to not lynch me
Doesnt trust them enough to believr my TMI

You love to see it folks

 

[Flower]

Because all of the rest of my town reads were saying Vanya was town. I didn't stop pressing him, and I continued to press others.

Why do you feel the need to pressure somebody who said he wouldn‘t be here and was likely confirmed Town at that point?

Let me ask you a better question: How high do you think the probability of DDL being scum was by the time you placed that vote?

 

[JoJo]

i've made it vehemently clear i do not believe flower to be scum, but the 2 rocks swirling about your brain came to the conclusion i must be scum d1 for... im still not sure tbh?

>votes her anyways

you were sus af last phase and this phase just further cements it. the cog diss you're displaying here is borderline mental illness.

anyways there's nothing i can do other than to find a compelling case for today's lynch, hope you follow it instead of dodging it again, and then lynch you tomorrow

im not gonna keep wasting my time on this, so this is how it goes

 

[Draekke]

Trusts his town reads enoigh to not lynch me
Doesnt trust them enough to believr my TMI

You love to see it folks

As explained, I kept my pressure on both of you. That argument doesn't have credence.

 

[Karma]

I hope my GOD role made it in

Hook me up with a deal if ur in here

 

[Flower]

Trusts his town reads enoigh to not lynch me
Doesnt trust them enough to believr my TMI

You love to see it folks

And yet you follow his push on me. Lol.

 

[Vanya]

As explained, I kept my pressure on both of you. That argument doesn't have credence.

Stop the cap
You pressured him full knowing he has TMI going for him from a player you didnt wanna lynch bcs people you trust think he is town

 

[AndrewGreve]

oh and @JoJo

[VOTE LYNCH Flower]

if she flips scum, lynch me tomorrow

if she flips town, you're getting the noose bby

I really shouldnt feel this way since a scum would have a better idea if flower was town or scum

but I got towny vibes from it. fuck me

 

[Laix]

Dont you worry about that!

i'm not!

So are you saying that today you'll make sure your vote is on the pile so that you will be eligible for lynch tomorrow?

correct!

>votes her anyways

you were sus af last phase and this phase just further cements it. the cog diss you're displaying here is borderline mental illness.

anyways there's nothing i can do other than to find a compelling case for today's lynch, hope you follow it instead of dodging it again, and then lynch you tomorrow

im not gonna keep wasting my time on this, so this is how it goes

do you want me to follow the lynch of the day or no?

make up your mind jojo!

 

[Draekke]

Why do you feel the need to pressure somebody who said he wouldn‘t be here and was likely confirmed Town at that point?

Let me ask you a better question: How high do you think the probability of DDL being scum was by the time you placed that vote?

Because I don't buy the "I'm inactive so you can't pressure me" shtick. Too easy to get away as scum by doing that. Nearly every game I've ever played this gets used.

Hmmm... maybe about 30% give or take?

Ya'll aren't going to believe this, but I had no idea TMI meant anything specific to mafia and knowing something about a role. Many people can confirm I haven't played in years, and this is a new phrase for me.

 

[Vanya]

And yet you follow his push on me. Lol.

I dont follow his push, i follow my own since i i was first to vote you

You yourself admitted you wanted to coast entire game and make town lose one of their roles by making them ashe

 

[Laix]

I really shouldnt feel this way since a scum would have a better idea if flower was town or scum

but I got towny vibes from it. fuck me

guess we're finding out tomorrow! and then i'll get the pleasure of watching jojo get lynched

 

[Draekke]

Stop the cap
You pressured him full knowing he has TMI going for him from a player you didnt wanna lynch bcs people you trust think he is town

Read above. Took me a while to really understand what TMI meant. But still, taking off all pressure from someone solely because another player vouches for them. Not a good idea.

 

[Flower]

I dont follow his push, i follow my own since i i was first to vote you

You yourself admitted you wanted to coast entire game and make town lose one of their roles by making them ashe

That player would have had two roles, fam.

 

[JoJo]

I hope my GOD role made it in

Hook me up with a deal if ur in here

i hope my "a toaster falling into a bathtub" role made it into the game

 

[Vanya]

Read above. Took me a while to really understand what TMI meant. But still, taking off all pressure from someone solely because another player vouches for them. Not a good idea.

You are so full of crap director of Mad Max will call you to take it in order to make fuel for cars

 

[AndrewGreve]

also can we also as a group stop pretending ddl's death wasn't a suicide by lynch/modkill

he openly ragequit and requested a modkill regardless

aubrey graham didnt do anything wrong by pressuring ddl, he's historically been a d1 lynch because hes a dangerous scum

is anyone pretending DDL's death wasnt a modkill?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I’ll be back later drunk

 

[Vanya]

That player would have had two roles, fam.

And what if you gave it to scum?

 

[Laix]

is anyone pretending DDL's death wasnt a modkill?

yes! see the last 5 pages

 

[Flower]

Because I don't buy the "I'm inactive so you can't pressure me" shtick. Too easy to get away as scum by doing that. Nearly every game I've ever played this gets used.

Hmmm... maybe about 30% give or take?

Ya'll aren't going to believe this, but I had no idea TMI meant anything specific to mafia and knowing something about a role. Many people can confirm I haven't played in years, and this is a new phrase for me.

How high did you think was the chance Vanya or me were scum at that point?

 

[Draekke]

You are so full of crap director of Mad Max will call you to take it in order to make fuel for cars

Says the guy who outed his other mason

 

[Flower]

And what if you gave it to scum?

It only works on Town. Read .

 

[Laix]

It only works on Town. Read .

hmm i have something to say about this but i dont wanna apply a meta line of thinking

 

[AndrewGreve]

Because fake clearing ppl is never the play there. If DDL was scum with Vanya here, Vanya would just suicide with him. So it was either scum Vanya clearing a Town DDL for cred or Vanya was just saying the truth. So I don‘t see why you wanted to pressure DDL there when pressure wasn‘t needed anymore. The guy said he had no time and was basically confirmed Town at that point. Tf you need pressure for? That‘s a lame excuse.

flower is correct about how to treat vanya's peek.

I dont think draekke being wrong is alignment indicative though

 

[Vanya]

Says the guy who outed his other mason

Cause i learned last day a cardboard players cant properly deal with TMI invocatiom on time

 

[JoJo]

for the record, i dont think vanya's rome claim was all that strong

you know

considering he's wearing an avatar of a guy from the show rome, i personally assumed he was fanboying

 

[JoJo]

Cause i learned last day a cardboard players cant properly deal with TMI invocatiom on time

what's TMI in this case

 

[Vanya]

what's TMI in this case

See

 

[Draekke]

How high did you think was the chance Vanya or me were scum at that point?

Vanya maybe about 10% (I never truly believe innocent until we get game mechanic confirmations, and still then not trusting of ones that are easy to manipulate). You probably closer to 50-60% - but other people were pressing you, there was no need for me to add more.

 

[Flower]

flower is correct about how to treat vanya's peek.

I dont think draekke being wrong is alignment indicative though

That‘s the only correct way to treat it.

Again, what does make Draekke such strong Town to you?

 

[AndrewGreve]

So the consensus is Flowa is scum for stalling / not being useful?

laix disagrees

 

[AndrewGreve]

Anyway, @Karma is lock Town for me after last day so I will follow him .

what did karma do to be lock town?

 

[AndrewGreve]

I think I saw someone say Vanya is confirmed is that true

yeah

basically his mason flipped.

 

[Vanya]

It only works on Town. Read .

So it is a invest too

Oh how convinient......

 

[Laix]

do you want me to follow the lynch of the day or no?

make up your mind jojo!

jojo reading this and realising they contradicted themselves:

 

[Draekke]

Cause i learned last day a cardboard players cant properly deal with TMI invocatiom on time

There was no need to do that here. It was in reference to an execution vote, so there is no voting restrictions aside from choosing between the four. There was 1... maybe 2 votes on them at the time of your reveal. We have 33 people here. Super weak to reveal that early now mafia knows who you both are. Bad play.

 

[JoJo]

laix disagrees

for the record, i'm neutral on it because i think both cases are easily viable.

on one hand you have the stalling and lying about being to confirm themselves.

on the other hand you have the huge pressure that was put onto that's directly adjacent to last day phase where they are also the most present poster. i think that someone, in that position, being subjected to the abilities of others and getting fucked by it is very likely

 

[Vanya]

There was no need to do that here. It was in reference to an execution vote, so there is no voting restrictions aside from choosing between the four. There was 1... maybe 2 votes on them at the time of your reveal. We have 33 people here. Super weak to reveal that early now mafia knows who you both are. Bad play.

Go cry to someone that cares

 

[Flower]

Vanya maybe about 10% (I never truly believe innocent until we get game mechanic confirmations, and still then not trusting of ones that are easy to manipulate). You probably closer to 50-60% - but other people were pressing you, there was no need for me to add more.

I thought I wasn‘t doing much to help Town? Why not add more fuel to the flames to make me work harder? Don‘t you think that would have been the best approach to handle my slot here given I was your strongest scum read out of your three candidates at that time? And also, how does the Vanya 10% and DDL 30% add up given what I said about how to treat Vanya‘s vouch?

 

[AndrewGreve]

am i town? am i scum?

lynch me, and find out!

Putting the boom on what I saw as a pretty bad point, has me confused.

 

[Draekke]

Go cry to someone that cares

Your teammate probably does. You're really not big on helping town for a confirmed townie. Yikes.

 

[JoJo]

jojo reading this and realising they contradicted themselves:

i already said i was done with you

i've said what i had to say, going further with you on a topic im done with for now is a waste of my time, i'd rather talk about other things.

 

[Vanya]

Your teammate probably does. You're really not big on helping town for a confirmed townie. Yikes.

*yawn*

 

[Flower]

what did karma do to be lock town?

He gave us scum which is what I expect from a Town Karma.

 

[Laix]

i already said i was done with you

i've said what i had to say, going further with you on a topic im done with for now is a waste of my time, i'd rather talk about other things.

and is this scum laix in the room with us right now

 

[Vanya]

Someone take a shot with me

 

[AndrewGreve]

guess we're finding out tomorrow! and then i'll get the pleasure of watching jojo get lynched

my vote is not locked into whatever pissing contest you invented with jojo. Not sure how many others are

 

[Flower]

[Change Vote Lynch Draekke].

 

[Draekke]

I thought I wasn‘t doing much to help Town? Why not add more fuel to the flames to make me work harder? Don‘t you think that would have been the best approach to handle my slot here given I was your strongest scum read out of your three candidates at that time? And also, how does the Vanya 10% and DDL 30% add up given what I said about how to treat Vanya‘s vouch?

Out of THOSE 3 candidates. There were plenty of others I had/have higher scum reads than you. At the time you were under sever pressure. Mine wouldn't have added much.

Clearly because I didn't view Vanya's vouch the way everyone else did. As mentioned, I prefer to be careful about blindly following someone unless confirmed through game mechanics. And add to the fact that I've never seen TMI used in mafia before. I've stated this quite a number of times.

And please if you are going to continue to press me, find some others too while you're at it. When I flip town, all of your energy will be wasted again, and you'll have done nothing for town. At least do both.

 

[Laix]

my vote is not locked into whatever pissing contest you invented with jojo. Not sure how many others are

i don't think you'll have a choice

 

[Vanya]

i don't think you'll have a choice

Bruh she a pornstar

 

[Laix]

Bruh she a pornstar

thats kylie fucking minogue

 

[Flower]

I asked for probabilities to see where he stands. DDL should have been the 10% and Vanya the 30%. Vice-versa just doesn‘t make any sense here.

 

[Vanya]

thats kylie fucking minogue

God now i wish it was a pornstar

 

[JoJo]

He gave us scum which is what I expect from a Town Karma.

for the record, scum can give you scum too

but yes im inclined to believe he's town further along and have my lean on him get stronger than it was the day before

i cant say for certain what would or wouldnt happen, but if it was a vote at a player who's great at coasting and he's on your team, then lynching him the first day or not backpedaling on your vote saying it wasnt completely serious wouldnt really make all that much sense

and is this scum laix in the room with us right now

nope

scum laix isnt with me, he's with his teammates

anyways, bored of this and not worth responding. dont feel like giving you +1s to inflate your count either

 

[JoJo]

God now i wish it was a pornstar

i know some websites

 

[AndrewGreve]

Read above. Took me a while to really understand what TMI meant. But still, taking off all pressure from someone solely because another player vouches for them. Not a good idea.

you are really wrong about this, but I dont think it indicates your alignment.

moving pressure off a player completely is totally fine, esp while waiting for confirmation, or just moving on for the phase.

I know a lot of players think you need to make a player nervous or scared they will be lynched to form a read, but I honestly think this obsession with needing to be able to pressure players in any and all circumstances normally just leads to toxicity and a lot of mislynches.

 

[Vanya]

i know some websites

Identity theft is not a joke jim

 

[Draekke]

I asked for probabilities to see where he stands. DDL should have been the 10% and Vanya the 30%. Vice-versa just doesn‘t make any sense here.

Only because you're ignoring my reasoning, and the fact that just because I put certain percentages on people doesn't mean that's who I'm going to lean the hardest on or vote for.

 

[AndrewGreve]

yes! see the last 5 pages

I am positive you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the last 5 pages.

 

[Draekke]

you are really wrong about this, but I dont think it indicates your alignment.

moving pressure off a player completely is totally fine, esp while waiting for confirmation, or just moving on for the phase.

I know a lot of players think you need to make a player nervous or scared they will be lynched to form a read, but I honestly think this obsession with needing to be able to pressure players in any and all circumstances normally just leads to toxicity and a lot of mislynches.

Pressing to me isn't being rude. It's calling out what I see as scummy or strange behavior. Has nothing to do with scaring people.

I understand that's your perspective, but mine was to continue pressing until I started to understand what TMI actually meant.

 

[Vanya]

Friendly reminded i need heals

Hannibal Barca was fcking nuts last night

 

[Vanya]

understand what TMI actually meant.

How about fucking asking?

 

[Flower]

Only because you're ignoring my reasoning, and the fact that just because I put certain percentages on people doesn't mean that's who I'm going to lean the hardest on or vote for.

What? Are you not interested in getting scum out? Why not vote for your biggest scum read?

As to your question I do intend to pressure others, too. You‘re just here atm.

 

[Draekke]

I am positive you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the last 5 pages.

Vanya has stated multiple times that he is going to target those he deems responsible for DDL's death. Specifically has mentioned myself and Laix.

 

[AndrewGreve]

what's TMI in this case

vanya uses TMI in a slightly weird way, but he means mechanical information

 

[Draekke]

What? Are you not interested in getting scum out? Why not vote for your biggest scum read?

As to your question I do intend to pressure others, too. You‘re just here atm.

Because voting is a different form of pressure than to call out and communicate via words.

 

[AndrewGreve]

That‘s the only correct way to treat it.

Again, what does make Draekke such strong Town to you?

i mean, I answered you directly in some length on it.

 

[Draekke]

How about fucking asking?

yeah, that's fair. But to me it just read as "I know he's not town, and I'm not town so you gotta believe me" And since I didn't know for sure that you were town, I was not about to just blindly believe you. Next time I'll ask. Also didn't know what FoS meant until someone in game 2 explained it lol.

 

[Flower]

i mean, I answered you directly in some length on it.

So, what do you make of his reasoning for the DDL vote he‘s bringing up now? Don‘t you agree that the percentages don‘t add up here?

 

[AndrewGreve]

for the record, i'm neutral on it because i think both cases are easily viable.

on one hand you have the stalling and lying about being to confirm themselves.

on the other hand you have the huge pressure that was put onto that's directly adjacent to last day phase where they are also the most present poster. i think that someone, in that position, being subjected to the abilities of others and getting fucked by it is very likely

my read is almost entirely based on the fact they had like 150 posts and the next closest was 100, and there was nothing of value in their iso

 

[Draekke]

How about fucking asking?

Can't heal you unfortunately. Hopefully there are multiple townies with healing capabilities as well.

 

[Vanya]

@Laix top 3 lynch targets?

 

[Draekke]

So, what do you make of his reasoning for the DDL vote he‘s bringing up now? Don‘t you agree that the percentages don‘t add up here?

Why would I intentionally provide you with sus percentages if I were trying to lie to you lol. You asked, I answered. Whether or not it was the right call is something to be talked about, but I'm not dumb enough to do that were I lying lol.

 

[Flower]

You know, I know there‘s scum amongst my pushers since they clearly want me gone and are trying to frame me. I want to know who it is before I get offed by either a lynch or the disease.

 

[Fujitora]

Identity theft is not a joke jim

Roman characters became part of the public domain for a while sir.

 

[AndrewGreve]

He gave us scum which is what I expect from a Town Karma.

how much of the game are you reading?

He literally said and repeated it was a bit of a bullshit vote on an inactive he expected more from not a strong read or anything.

plus LG was likely not known by his team.