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Traveling Swordsman said:
Who are your town lean or scum lean atm? I haven't seen your scum lean post IIRC
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Closest you ever get to scum leans from me is a persons I am looking into list which is pretty similar to the one I gave before. Which is Saturday, Karma, Rotkins, Mich, TAC, and someone else who I am needing to refresh my view on but on the verge of putting them on here during the night but kind of forgot who it was so need to reread stuff.

Also speaking of you are you planning on talking about more than me and Draekke today? Your stance is clear and very public to see on us just wondering if you are going to be your due diligence on others as well.
 
nfcnorth said:
Closest you ever get to scum leans from me is a persons I am looking into list which is pretty similar to the one I gave before. Which is Saturday, Karma, Rotkins, Mich, TAC, and someone else who I am needing to refresh my view on but on the verge of putting them on here during the night but kind of forgot who it was so need to reread stuff.

Also speaking of you are you planning on talking about more than me and Draekke today? Your stance is clear and very public to see on us just wondering if you are going to be your due diligence on others as well.
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If you see my arguments with Draekke, it's just a pointless debate

What's the case on Rottkins and Karma? I might miss some of their posts
 
TheAncientCenturion said:
I am he who speaks the truth yet the deaf do not desire to hear it.

I am an enemy of red mafia. Focusing on me is giving our mutual enemy an advantage.
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we either kill you now or group 2 kills you tomorrow.
 
Frankly, I don’t like executing most of the execution candidates today. They are probably going to flip town imo.


nfcnorth said:
Closest you ever get to scum leans from me is a persons I am looking into list which is pretty similar to the one I gave before. Which is Saturday, Karma, Rotkins, Mich, TAC, and someone else who I am needing to refresh my view on but on the verge of putting them on here during the night but kind of forgot who it was so need to reread stuff.
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Don’t you think you’re focusing on the same group a bit much NFC? What do you think of Saturday being a counter wagon to Broki and then Saturday fighting hard against their lynch to get Broki? I wouldn’t put much teammate stock into that interaction.

Mich is worrisome yea, and TAC is confirmed scum.

The person I’m more conflicted on is Karma He wanted LG out, but was quite late for the Flower and Broki vote. He also wanted to execute Cooler and Raven over Florida Man.

But he did say he tried to give an extra life to Andrew and apparently one went to Mango the previous night and I don’t think scum would be affected by a nexus they likely caused. So, this + his thread play is would make his slot null to me.

nfcnorth said:
Speaking of the other execution candidates the one other than me I would like to see go the least is Rotkins because while I do think he is worth looking into. At least he has something to look into unlike cooler and revan.
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Agreed here on the Rottkins part, but Raven has also been contributing in his own way.

Cooler, well, he’s apparently busy and beyond that don’t know anything.
 
Lind said:
on’t you think you’re focusing on the same group a bit much NFC? What do you think of Saturday being a counter wagon to Broki and then Saturday fighting hard against their lynch to get Broki? I wouldn’t put much teammate stock into that interaction.

Mich is worrisome yea, and TAC is confirmed scum.
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I am focusing on the group a bit yeah. But I am doing so for a couple of reasons. One of them is simple attention to people who are a bit out of the general spotlight. Saturday I think is probably in the most general view atm. Also just saying just because I am giving them as reads doesn't mean I am not looking elses where.

I won't argue that Saturday did exactly what he was supposed to regardless of alignment imo. He just had to be less scummy than Broker at the time of that lynch. It could have been a multiple mafia on the block deal and they chose to sacrifice broker over other teammates. Saturday he succeed in doing so and is why he is still around. The real question is it a one time occurrence or not. Which is best answered by looking at his other interactions which is why I am looking at other peoples thoughts on him so much
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
When Cooler was considered for exe last day phase Revan saved him and he voted Florida man who flipped scum. Another thing to note is that UB voted cooler for exe before the new system of mafia gaining abilities from dead teammates was implemented.

@Draekke @Karma @Alwaysmind @Hidden

Thoughts?
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Out of the four executees, I lean least scum nfc. Mainly because for the most part I've agreed with a lot of what they've said, so that makes me think we're on the same page. Cooler is a mystery, but also something's up with their role. I won't go into detail, but I marked him with something (accidentally, mind you, because of the nexus not last night but the night before), and I was informed that the mark "fell off." So that's odd. Rottkins I have zero clue tbh - with the (awesome) drawings and the lack of substance in posts, I have a null to slight scum side of null. Revan I have maybe slightly town side of null, but really could be just null.

I'm comfortable with 3 of the 4 being executed for now. I don't put much stock into what the mafia has been doing with their own teammates in the execution since the new rule was put into place. Wouldn't surprise me if Florida Man chose to stay silent so his role would get absorbed - he seemed AT BEST not interested in playing. So Revan voting WAD doesn't mean much to me here.


Revan Reborn said:
What if he is right?, and we end up wasting the lynch again on someone unlynchable?
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Traveling Swordsman said:
Asaik lynch immune is one time only
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Only like 5 or 6 pages from my long wall post about NOT FORGETTING THAT MAFIA HAVE MORE THAN ONE LYNCH PROTECT.

People wonder why I get frustrated lol. Deus Ex Machina AND Peter Parker roles BOTH have abilities to save their mates from lynch. And the mafia have access to both of those roles now. Chances are TAC doesn't get lynched today.

Which is why we need a counter wagon, and we need to be careful about those who don't vote with the main or the secondary wagon, because of vote manipulation. Peter Parker had a ton of vote manipulation, again which the mafia now have access to. I detail this much clearer in a previous post. Go find it and read it if you have questions.

So the secondary wagon needs to be substantial as well. Probably like 10+ on the main and 6+ on the secondary if we can manage that.

Lind said:
I wouldn’t mind voting on TS as a secondary wagon here over the other two just by virtue of him not being on the main wagon all those previous days except last day phase.

Mich at least puts in the effort to do some ISOs so bonus points there.
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Either TS or Alibaba would be my two choices for a secondary wagon.

nfcnorth said:
Like Laix for instance I think has looked better since the Jojo gate incident which honestly didn't bug me that much tbh. Seems genuinely hunting for answers to me. Other than the lie which really doesn't bother me as I think there are definitely times town or at least pro-town has to lie to actually get to a useful destination.
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You say that, but Laix was all but nonexistent last day phase. I agree about your thoughts on a lie. But I don't like that he disappeared after being so vocal the previous day. That being said, I have like 4 people ahead of him on my suspect list, so whatever for now.

[Vote Execute Revan Reborn] I'll adjust if we come up with more info on our executees if need be.

Going to bed, so I won't see what your thoughts are on this question until morning, but:

We need to focus on two people for votes - TAC and someone else. You guys can decide who the secondary vote is, but lets make sure we get the necessary vote count for both lynches so vote manipulation doesn't bite us in the ass. And obviously pressure the fuck out of anyone who decides against main and secondary wagons.
 
Lind said:
Yeah, I’ll be honest, I need more from Owner, NFC and TS.

If it’s none of them then I’m going to reorganize my town reads based on voting patterns.

@Owner Of A Lonely Heart any results from last night?
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No one visited Hidden, but I was informed by another action that it was redirected. :catflip Though, I guess it could be worse. It seems like might not get anywhere. I guess that's what I get for claiming watcher so early.
 
Draekke said:
Only like 5 or 6 pages from my long wall post about NOT FORGETTING THAT MAFIA HAVE MORE THAN ONE LYNCH PROTECT.

People wonder why I get frustrated lol. Deus Ex Machina AND Peter Parker roles BOTH have abilities to save their mates from lynch. And the mafia have access to both of those roles now. Chances are TAC doesn't get lynched today.

Which is why we need a counter wagon, and we need to be careful about those who don't vote with the main or the secondary wagon, because of vote manipulation. Peter Parker had a ton of vote manipulation, again which the mafia now have access to. I detail this much clearer in a previous post. Go find it and read it if you have questions.

So the secondary wagon needs to be substantial as well. Probably like 10+ on the main and 6+ on the secondary if we can manage that.
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i might have missed that. From my experience I never saw someone survive a lynch twice. Who do you recommend? I prefer Alibaba.
nfcnorth said:
Tbh I think pretty much everyone has had off days activity wise so far with maybe one or two exceptions. So kind of not sure how much I am using it in general as an argument.
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Who is your prefer secondary wagon in case The Ancient survives a lynch?
 
a mix of thoughts

On TAC: Definitely scum. Lind is already the person we know who can appear in both threads. I doubt there are more roles than that who are capable of doing it. Why? Not sure, just a gut feeling. I feel like it's such a messy thing to throw in the games. However it would explain why his role didn't flip a main character. I really hate that he was unlynchable last night, but considering the power of the mafia roles, I could see it. Especially if they are all disconnected from each other, then it's pretty much a sure fire way of making sure they can play game by being particularly overpowered.

So, to surmise, I don't believe his claim about being part of G2 thread. It's just stupid to me. However, I'm not sure how I feel about his unlynchable claim. I've played games where someone was unlynchable for multiple phases and I kept reassuring everyone "ok we'll get them THIS time".

Pretty much I'd rather people just Isolate/Vulnerable him and then throw kills at him. Those are partial role blocks and I feel like town should have quite a few of those left. Especially considering the strength and ability distribution about scum.

I'm down to lynch him because we're still ahead even if it fails, but also down to shoot him. Place him first with a second wagon.

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As far as the second wagon goes. Alibaba, Rottkins, or AM. Extremely hateable.

For the execution, honestly didn't check who could be executed, but IDC really.

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I'll post my reads later, but for now I wanna hear the reads from some specific people. I also what to know what would you guys do for the game if you could single handedly lead us. I.e., given very high autonomy, what's your play to help town reach victory

@nfcnorth
@Mich
@Lind
@Saturday
@Legend
@Traveling Swordsman
 
JoJo said:
On TAC: Definitely scum. Lind is already the person we know who can appear in both threads. I doubt there are more roles than that who are capable of doing it.
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Why would you assume that when multiple people have had abilities redirected and shit. It would seem to be that repetitive abilities are the norm, not the exception.

What goes against TAC is that TAC isn't listed in Game 2, while Lind is in both.
 
Alwaysmind said:
Why would you assume that when multiple people have had abilities redirected and shit. It would seem to be that repetitive abilities are the norm, not the exception.

What goes against TAC is that TAC isn't listed in Game 2, while Lind is in both.
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idk i just dont believe his double thread claim. shizune never said there was a town 2 and shizune said both towns will combine together when the thread is ready to get recombine

anyways im prolly more biased to not believing him cuz i think he's scum

but still i dont believe him
 
Draekke said:
Out of the four executees, I lean least scum nfc. Mainly because for the most part I've agreed with a lot of what they've said, so that makes me think we're on the same page. Cooler is a mystery, but also something's up with their role. I won't go into detail, but I marked him with something (accidentally, mind you, because of the nexus not last night but the night before), and I was informed that the mark "fell off." So that's odd. Rottkins I have zero clue tbh - with the (awesome) drawings and the lack of substance in posts, I have a null to slight scum side of null. Revan I have maybe slightly town side of null, but really could be just null.

I'm comfortable with 3 of the 4 being executed for now. I don't put much stock into what the mafia has been doing with their own teammates in the execution since the new rule was put into place. Wouldn't surprise me if Florida Man chose to stay silent so his role would get absorbed - he seemed AT BEST not interested in playing. So Revan voting WAD doesn't mean much to me here.






Only like 5 or 6 pages from my long wall post about NOT FORGETTING THAT MAFIA HAVE MORE THAN ONE LYNCH PROTECT.

People wonder why I get frustrated lol. Deus Ex Machina AND Peter Parker roles BOTH have abilities to save their mates from lynch. And the mafia have access to both of those roles now. Chances are TAC doesn't get lynched today.

Which is why we need a counter wagon, and we need to be careful about those who don't vote with the main or the secondary wagon, because of vote manipulation. Peter Parker had a ton of vote manipulation, again which the mafia now have access to. I detail this much clearer in a previous post. Go find it and read it if you have questions.

So the secondary wagon needs to be substantial as well. Probably like 10+ on the main and 6+ on the secondary if we can manage that.



Either TS or Alibaba would be my two choices for a secondary wagon.



You say that, but Laix was all but nonexistent last day phase. I agree about your thoughts on a lie. But I don't like that he disappeared after being so vocal the previous day. That being said, I have like 4 people ahead of him on my suspect list, so whatever for now.

[Vote Execute Revan Reborn] I'll adjust if we come up with more info on our executees if need be.

Going to bed, so I won't see what your thoughts are on this question until morning, but:

We need to focus on two people for votes - TAC and someone else. You guys can decide who the secondary vote is, but lets make sure we get the necessary vote count for both lynches so vote manipulation doesn't bite us in the ass. And obviously pressure the fuck out of anyone who decides against main and secondary wagons.
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sorry for dissapearing, i was taking back shots from those koreans
 
nfcnorth said:
I am focusing on the group a bit yeah. But I am doing so for a couple of reasons. One of them is simple attention to people who are a bit out of the general spotlight. Saturday I think is probably in the most general view atm. Also just saying just because I am giving them as reads doesn't mean I am not looking elses where.

I won't argue that Saturday did exactly what he was supposed to regardless of alignment imo. He just had to be less scummy than Broker at the time of that lynch. It could have been a multiple mafia on the block deal and they chose to sacrifice broker over other teammates. Saturday he succeed in doing so and is why he is still around. The real question is it a one time occurrence or not. Which is best answered by looking at his other interactions which is why I am looking at other peoples thoughts on him so much
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Fair argument, however, Saturday just seems like a lynch that was setup because it was easy. Granted I have nothing solid on him to actually fight for his survival or anything, but by using your reasoning, even if it’s technically true, it could be used to push Saturday all the time.

His lynch just looked too easy to me and Broki jumping on it last minute made her even more suspicious. Almost like self-destructive bussing. Well, I’m agreeing to disagree with you honestly.


Draekke said:
Either TS or Alibaba would be my two choices for a secondary wagon.
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Both alright choices with me.
 
JoJo said:
On TAC: Definitely scum. Lind is already the person we know who can appear in both threads. I doubt there are more roles than that who are capable of doing it. Why? Not sure, just a gut feeling. I feel like it's such a messy thing to throw in the games. However it would explain why his role didn't flip a main character.
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Do we actually know that TAC isn’t a main character? Because I remember him claiming some witch role last day phase, but Hidden notified us that the other submission along with that role was a main character and thus TAC could have been lying about his claim.

JoJo said:
However, I'm not sure how I feel about his unlynchable claim. I've played games where someone was unlynchable for multiple phases and I kept reassuring everyone "ok we'll get them THIS time".
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Ah I know the feeling lol.

Also, In the other group, Nitty told us that there are no scums here that are completely invulnerable and that he will intervene if that happens to be the case to correct it. So TAC most likely will not survive this lynch and even if he is allowed to with Peter’s or Deus Ex Machina’s ability, he will definitely not survive the next one….. hopefully.


JoJo said:
I'll post my reads later, but for now I wanna hear the reads from some specific people. I also what to know what would you guys do for the game if you could single handedly lead us. I.e., given very high autonomy, what's your play to help town reach victory

@nfcnorth
@Mich
@Lind
@Saturday
@Legend
@Traveling Swordsman
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Given high autonomy? Lol, I would still take all your opinions and form an informed decision.

My preferred direction right now would be to get the reads and maybe a claim or two from our suspected pool for a secondary wagon - TS, Alibaba and I would also add Saturday.

After NFC’s reply to me, you could argue that any reason can be thrown at Saturday to be scum. So if he is indeed scum we get rid of him, and if he’s town then we also get rid of a possible distraction that scum keep trying to pivot to.

I actually think Legend is town among the players you named here simply because his play on day 1 and day 2 were against Flower who flipped scum.
 
Lind said:
So you did role crush him? Lol why Ali?
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Lind what I'm saying is that if that were case why didn't he say so right from the beginning?

Why did he wait for me to make a fluff post quoting him?

As Town you're expected to share that information and not wait for, supposedly, the person that did an action on you to quote.

Ain't that right Lind?
 
Alibaba Saluja said:
Lind what I'm saying is that if that were case why didn't he say so right from the beginning?

Why did he wait for me to make a fluff post quoting him?

As Town you're expected to share that information and not wait for, supposedly, the person that did an action on you to quote.

Ain't that right Lind?
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Sometimes I hide it as well until the person who did it actually comes out and says why.

You don’t want the person to know that it definitely worked in case they’re scum trying to do something with you being out of the game.

Plus he’s our watcher lmao. Why’d you role crush him?
 
Lind said:
Do we actually know that TAC isn’t a main character? Because I remember him claiming some witch role last day phase, but Hidden notified us that the other submission along with that role was a main character and thus TAC could have been lying about his claim.
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I was able to fish for his role, but I failed and only got the name. Unless I got redirected or something or it got frauded, my data aligns with what he says.
Lind said:
Ah I know the feeling lol.

Also, In the other group, Nitty told us that there are no scums here that are completely invulnerable and that he will intervene if that happens to be the case to correct it. So TAC most likely will not survive this lynch and even if he is allowed to with Peter’s or Deus Ex Machina’s ability, he will definitely not survive the next one….. hopefully.
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True. It's extremely toxic when people, especially mafia, can dodge multiple lynches. We can do 1 main lynch for him and a secondary wagon.
Lind said:
Given high autonomy? Lol, I would still take all your opinions and form an informed decision.

My preferred direction right now would be to get the reads and maybe a claim or two from our suspected pool for a secondary wagon - TS, Alibaba and I would also add Saturday.

After NFC’s reply to me, you could argue that any reason can be thrown at Saturday to be scum. So if he is indeed scum we get rid of him, and if he’s town then we also get rid of a possible distraction that scum keep trying to pivot to.

I actually think Legend is town among the players you named here simply because his play on day 1 and day 2 were against Flower who flipped scum.
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Noted and taken into consideration.
 
Lind said:
Sometimes I hide it as well until the person who did it actually comes out and says why.

You don’t want the person to know that it definitely worked in case they’re scum trying to do something with you being out of the game.

Plus he’s our watcher lmao. Why’d you role crush him?
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Well I wouldn't do it for starters.

I remember the reason I stopped playing here too, because they lie a lot here.
 
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