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You were on the main wagon yesterday ‘cause it was TAC only.

And If it’s not you, then it’s probably Ali. Who else do you think should be a secondary wagon? And who do you scum read right now?
What kind of argument is this? You don't need to see who is the only main wagon to vote that wagon. I already explained why I was not present EOS. From now on I'll try to appear near EOD and vote the main wagon. Even if in day 1/2/3 there was only 1 main wagon, I still couldn't appear near EOD as I explained why. Too busy.

Alibaba
 
Oh okay. But why’d you role crush him? Do you think Ish is scum?

Would have actually preferred a role crush on TAC or something tbh

Lind thing is I don't have rolechrushes. If I had rolechrushed him then that would be it.

Like saying for example "yeah I rolechushed, I don't remember seeing any of his posts so I think he's scum and I sent an action his way".

Where this stands is that he's not being honest.
 
You were on the main wagon yesterday ‘cause it was TAC only.

And If it’s not you, then it’s probably Ali. Who else do you think should be a secondary wagon? And who do you scum read right now?
I misquoted I quoted this post not the post above. This is my post:

And as I explained I was suspicious of him from day 1 until today. Hilarious you forgot that and only said I voted The Ancient because he was the only wagon.
 
Out of the four executees, I lean least scum nfc. Mainly because for the most part I've agreed with a lot of what they've said, so that makes me think we're on the same page. Cooler is a mystery, but also something's up with their role. I won't go into detail, but I marked him with something (accidentally, mind you, because of the nexus not last night but the night before), and I was informed that the mark "fell off." So that's odd. Rottkins I have zero clue tbh - with the (awesome) drawings and the lack of substance in posts, I have a null to slight scum side of null. Revan I have maybe slightly town side of null, but really could be just null.

I'm comfortable with 3 of the 4 being executed for now. I don't put much stock into what the mafia has been doing with their own teammates in the execution since the new rule was put into place. Wouldn't surprise me if Florida Man chose to stay silent so his role would get absorbed - he seemed AT BEST not interested in playing. So Revan voting WAD doesn't mean much to me here.






Only like 5 or 6 pages from my long wall post about NOT FORGETTING THAT MAFIA HAVE MORE THAN ONE LYNCH PROTECT.

People wonder why I get frustrated lol. Deus Ex Machina AND Peter Parker roles BOTH have abilities to save their mates from lynch. And the mafia have access to both of those roles now. Chances are TAC doesn't get lynched today.

Which is why we need a counter wagon, and we need to be careful about those who don't vote with the main or the secondary wagon, because of vote manipulation. Peter Parker had a ton of vote manipulation, again which the mafia now have access to. I detail this much clearer in a previous post. Go find it and read it if you have questions.

So the secondary wagon needs to be substantial as well. Probably like 10+ on the main and 6+ on the secondary if we can manage that.



Either TS or Alibaba would be my two choices for a secondary wagon.



You say that, but Laix was all but nonexistent last day phase. I agree about your thoughts on a lie. But I don't like that he disappeared after being so vocal the previous day. That being said, I have like 4 people ahead of him on my suspect list, so whatever for now.

[Vote Execute Revan Reborn] I'll adjust if we come up with more info on our executees if need be.

Going to bed, so I won't see what your thoughts are on this question until morning, but:

We need to focus on two people for votes - TAC and someone else. You guys can decide who the secondary vote is, but lets make sure we get the necessary vote count for both lynches so vote manipulation doesn't bite us in the ass. And obviously pressure the fuck out of anyone who decides against main and secondary wagons.
I actually town lean on Ncforth the least out of the 4 because he seemed to be repeating stuff that was already said but ill just follow the group here. Revan pointed the UB thing out when he didnt need to. I am sure he would rather keep a mate alive either way.
 
Lind thing is I don't have rolechrushes. If I had rolechrushed him then that would be it.

Like saying for example "yeah I rolechushed, I don't remember seeing any of his posts so I think he's scum and I sent an action his way".

Where this stands is that he's not being honest.
Ali, swear on the indie bro alliance that you are town.
 
Lind thing is I don't have rolechrushes. If I had rolechrushed him then that would be it.

Like saying for example "yeah I rolechushed, I don't remember seeing any of his posts so I think he's scum and I sent an action his way".

Where this stands is that he's not being honest.
So you don’t have role crushes, but for some reason Ish knows that you role crushed him?

So you’re saying that Ish is lying about you role crushing him then?

I misquoted I quoted this post not the post above. This is my post:

And as I explained I was suspicious of him from day 1 until today. Hilarious you forgot that and only said I voted The Ancient because he was the only wagon.
I didn’t forget that you were on TAC day 1. So there’s nothing hilarious about that. But there’s something personal between you two apparently so it’s hard knowing why you were on TAC honestly.

And I don’t want to get into that can of worms here, so we can leave that. Explain your scum reads and who you’d go after now.
 
@Lind what do you think.
NFC has been someone I’ve just struggled to actually get a read on tbh. Like I know he’s been posting and interacting with few players and I don’t expect him to be right on all his reads, but I swear, I just can’t remember NFC going after the flipped scum unless I’m forgetting a lot.

It’s why he’s null-Ish to scum range for me.
 
So you don’t have role crushes, but for some reason Ish knows that you role crushed him?

So you’re saying that Ish is lying about you role crushing him then?


I didn’t forget that you were on TAC day 1. So there’s nothing hilarious about that. But there’s something personal between you two apparently so it’s hard knowing why you were on TAC honestly.

And I don’t want to get into that can of worms here, so we can leave that. Explain your scum reads and who you’d go after now.

Yes that's basically it.
 
Suggest we get going and start discussing who we want as a 2ndary wagon.

Im fine with

Ali
TS
Owner
Maybe Legend
Whut? Im Town, keep me out of that list.
This is what I thought when I went to college, but somehow everyone could still tell I was gay!
You are/were a hard Nicki Stan. Its obvious.
a mix of thoughts

On TAC: Definitely scum. Lind is already the person we know who can appear in both threads. I doubt there are more roles than that who are capable of doing it. Why? Not sure, just a gut feeling. I feel like it's such a messy thing to throw in the games. However it would explain why his role didn't flip a main character. I really hate that he was unlynchable last night, but considering the power of the mafia roles, I could see it. Especially if they are all disconnected from each other, then it's pretty much a sure fire way of making sure they can play game by being particularly overpowered.

So, to surmise, I don't believe his claim about being part of G2 thread. It's just stupid to me. However, I'm not sure how I feel about his unlynchable claim. I've played games where someone was unlynchable for multiple phases and I kept reassuring everyone "ok we'll get them THIS time".

Pretty much I'd rather people just Isolate/Vulnerable him and then throw kills at him. Those are partial role blocks and I feel like town should have quite a few of those left. Especially considering the strength and ability distribution about scum.

I'm down to lynch him because we're still ahead even if it fails, but also down to shoot him. Place him first with a second wagon.

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As far as the second wagon goes. Alibaba, Rottkins, or AM. Extremely hateable.

For the execution, honestly didn't check who could be executed, but IDC really.

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I'll post my reads later, but for now I wanna hear the reads from some specific people. I also what to know what would you guys do for the game if you could single handedly lead us. I.e., given very high autonomy, what's your play to help town reach victory

@nfcnorth
@Mich
@Lind
@Saturday
@Legend
@Traveling Swordsman
Im bidding my time to lead town to victory. That being said my role is meh, so I have to make up for it with reading and skills (as rusty as they may be).
 
NFC has been someone I’ve just struggled to actually get a read on tbh. Like I know he’s been posting and interacting with few players and I don’t expect him to be right on all his reads, but I swear, I just can’t remember NFC going after the flipped scum unless I’m forgetting a lot.

It’s why he’s null-Ish to scum range for me.
Yeah I can see what you mean. By the way why did you ask for my vote lmao.
 
Oh right I think its Admiral Fujitora who I see a lot of volume from but not sure if it really is saying alot with his posts. Kind of empty feeling for some reason to me. Has been a bit better as of late a bit of a gut feeling I guess.
Interesting take given that Ive been driving or pushing a good part of the scum Flips, from Flower to UB (When @Saturday was gonna be lynched) to TAC, and was pushing TS/Ali and Owner.

Care to explain this empty feeling some more?
 
Okay rottie same question to you, who do you want as a secondary wagon to TAC and who do you want to execute?

From this list :
Ali
TS
Owner

Execute list is as follow:
Cooler
Revan
You
Ncforth
Ali mainly due to dodging answers most of the times and talking with group 2 instead of us and probably Revan cuz I don't really remember him, same with ncforth
 
I personally think that the most productive lynch right now is to go [vote lynch flower] just because it seems to monopolize a ton of discussion until happens and I feel like some won't stop until it happens
Okay ISO-ing NFC and I can see that he did go after Flower when she was a wagon, but the reasoning kinda tells me that he didn’t really scum read her, but voted for her to

Weak ass bleeds trying to kill me huh. Would like to not die but eh not to worried about what you did probably not going to end my game or anything.
I completely forgot, but apparently NFC was bled and lost a life because Draekke tried a 1-shot kill on TAC which was redirected to TS and then to NFC.

And NFC came out with it after he was tagged by Draekke…

Well, I’ll keep that at the back of my mind for now.

Hmm kind of looking at players on the fringe atm or at least not talked about a ton imo. Can't say I am to sold one way or another on Admrial Fujutora. Like the activity but kind of meh at best for me otherwise. I kind of felt like I would have a stronger lean on someone so active which might be a sign in of itself tbh.

Ishmael I like how he seems to cut right to the chase and straight to the point. What he has said does seem like genuine solving to me.

Owner I think I am intrested in what direction Owner goes from here as seem to be active atm. What do you think of @rotkins and @Karma? @Owner Of A Lonely Heart

Also why does searching posts have to be broken :(
He does prod Owner for her thoughts and yeah, he’s been consistent here. He has a group of players on whom he gets a lot of opinions on and then forms a read I believe. Since he keeps saying that the closest thing we can get to scum reads from him are players he’s interested in.

[Vote Lynch the ancient centurion] I really didn't like that start of the day attitude as it feels like the "oh I am not scummy look at others instead" type deal instead of being genuine.
Here he votes TAC and now he does have a legitimate reason to scum read him.

Well, overall, he does have general good points that I agree with, but haven’t really seen him push someone the traditional way. Honestly he might just be one of those players that takes their time to form a coherent read on others. I’ve done that before to.

The read is still null for me, though.
 
Ali mainly due to dodging answers most of the times and talking with group 2 instead of us and probably Revan cuz I don't really remember him, same with ncforth
I brought up the fact that Revan saved cooler from execution and pushed Florida man instead ( who flipped scum), doesnt mean much since scum get dead scummates abilities but I feel its something.

As for Ali I dont know, I choose to give him one last chance to do something. He seems genuinely upset about his role lmao.
Secondary would be TS then Ali then maybe Owner

Execution, would be nfcnorth
Alright, why NC btw?
 
I brought up the fact that Revan saved cooler from execution and pushed Florida man instead ( who flipped scum), doesnt mean much since scum get dead scummates abilities but I feel its something.

As for Ali I dont know, I choose to give him one last chance to do something. He seems genuinely upset about his role lmao.

Alright, why NC btw?
Well that's a fact. Tho let us see what Ali will bring us.
 
Okay ISO-ing NFC and I can see that he did go after Flower when she was a wagon, but the reasoning kinda tells me that he didn’t really scum read her, but voted for her to
Well, its always good to vote with the majority in this setup so thats a good thing. But maybe he was bussing her too, when did he vote her? How many votes did she have at the time?
I completely forgot, but apparently NFC was bled and lost a life because Draekke tried a 1-shot kill on TAC which was redirected to TS and then to NFC.
I just checked and surviving a superkill can
Make you bleed, I think Draekke said that NC was bleeding after surviving a kill from him.
He does prod Owner for her thoughts and yeah, he’s been consistent here. He has a group of players on whom he gets a lot of opinions on and then forms a read I believe. Since he keeps saying that the closest thing we can get to scum reads from him are players he’s interested in.
His read on me is a bit off though ngl.
 
He seems to have vote related abilities, scum already flipped with vote related abilities so I doubt Nitty would have more of those as it feels kinda redundant and I can more see such a role 5 town to counterbalance the one that flipped scum if you know what I mean.
Yeah that would bez too much for one group as we can call it like that.
Tho there is still indie option but those more so are complicated to get a hold over.
 
Yeah I can see what you mean. By the way why did you ask for my vote lmao.
D-didn’t you ask for it… ?

Nothing but i have gave Shrike one shot ability to watch one player at night last day.
This is very useful. The confirmed town here would be Vanya so you can try it with him.

Or you can Give it to someone you trust. Since it appears that our outed watchers are getting role crushed or blocked / redirected. Yours can help a lot.

I used my ability on TAC and TS, Night 3 but both went to TS instead.

From Nitty's context clues it was from a ability that was redirected.
Huh, this is also what happened with Draekke and his 1-shot which was redirected to TS as well.

He might probably not be mafia / aligned with TAC then.

But Draekke’s shot redirected off of TS to NFC while yours didn’t.
 
Anyways Ima be on the road for a bit so later, @Hidden current thoughts my guy?

I am going to follow my current highest town reads @Lind @Draekke and @Hidden when it comes to whom to go for today. Feels like we should all consolidate our votes into one spot.

Be it the main, secondary and exe votes. Lynch manipulation is probably gonna happen again judging by the roles that flipped so lets not fuck this up lads.
 
This is very useful. The confirmed town here would be Vanya so you can try it with him.
I was thinking about Vanya but I have to make my mind fast since I've had now moment to be more active due to being in a train. Other shots are maybe Jojo fuji or you.
Id say getting rid of mafia is priority over a possible indie at this moment.
Yeah I get that, indie mostly get bonded by the accident and such so that was just a rough thought
 
Well, its always good to vote with the majority in this setup so thats a good thing. But maybe he was bussing her too, when did he vote her? How many votes did she have at the time?
I think the vote was cast on page 92 and the next vote count was a page after on page 93 and Flower had 13 votes. so it’s hard to know if it’s bussing or genuine.

just checked and surviving a superkill can
Make you bleed, I think Draekke said that NC was bleeding after surviving a kill from him.
Yepp. That’s what I was thinking. Honestly not sure what to make of surviving a super kill just yet, but I don’t think it’s alignment indicative.
 
I think the vote was cast on page 92 and the next vote count was a page after on page 93 and Flower had 13 votes. so it’s hard to know if it’s bussing or genuine.


Yepp. That’s what I was thinking. Honestly not sure what to make of surviving a super kill just yet, but I don’t think it’s alignment indicative.
13 votes already, idk. Did anyone claim healing NCforth btw, regarding his bleed.
 
I was thinking about Vanya but I have to make my mind fast since I've had now moment to be more active due to being in a train. Other shots are maybe Jojo fuji or you.
Don’t name your targets in the open. But you can send it to anyone you town read.

I dont recall doing that lmao, you just went and asked me for my vote earlier in the thread.
The “message”…?

Was I tricked lmao?
 
13 votes already, idk. Did anyone claim healing NCforth btw, regarding his bleed.
I don’t think so. Bleed only takes one life according to the OP so he’d still have at least one more life imo.

But we don’t know what what Draekke tried to do - Bleed or Super kill, so if Draekke wants to clear it up. We can let him.

Otherwise I guess we just let it go for now. I don’t want to go off on tangents lol.
 
I don’t think so. Bleed only takes one life according to the OP so he’d still have at least one more life imo.

But we don’t know what what Draekke tried to do - Bleed or Super kill, so if Draekke wants to clear it up. We can let him.

Otherwise I guess we just let it go for now. I don’t want to go off on tangents lol.
Superkills take 3 lives right. @Draekke
 
Anyways Ima be on the road for a bit so later, @Hidden current thoughts my guy?

I am going to follow my current highest town reads @Lind @Draekke and @Hidden when it comes to whom to go for today. Feels like we should all consolidate our votes into one spot.

Be it the main, secondary and exe votes. Lynch manipulation is probably gonna happen again judging by the roles that flipped so lets not fuck this up lads.
Forgot to add @JoJo here.
 
So you don’t have role crushes, but for some reason Ish knows that you role crushed him?

So you’re saying that Ish is lying about you role crushing him then?


I didn’t forget that you were on TAC day 1. So there’s nothing hilarious about that. But there’s something personal between you two apparently so it’s hard knowing why you were on TAC honestly.

And I don’t want to get into that can of worms here, so we can leave that. Explain your scum reads and who you’d go after now.
You forgot that's why you said I voted The Ancient because he was the only wagon. You lied so you had reason to push me. That's so cheap.
 
You forgot that's why you said I voted The Ancient because he was the only wagon. You lied so you had reason to push me. That's so cheap.
How could I lie, if I forgot, though? And my line of questioning wasn’t cheap because I need to know why you were on TAC beyond some personal shit. And then I decided not to get into that, so I asked for your reads which you still haven’t given btw.
 
How could I lie, if I forgot, though? And my line of questioning wasn’t cheap because I need to know why you were on TAC beyond some personal shit. And then I decided not to get into that, so I asked for your reads which you still haven’t given btw.
You are an analytical player always remember what players did but you forgot that I told you the reason why I voted The Ancient day 1 so you have a reason to push me based on something that never happened? I don't buy it.

Scum:
The Ancient
Alibaba
You/Saturday
 
How could I lie, if I forgot, though? And my line of questioning wasn’t cheap because I need to know why you were on TAC beyond some personal shit. And then I decided not to get into that, so I asked for your reads which you still haven’t given btw.
It's also not of because personal shit. I told you the reason why I was suspicious of him day 1.

Who would your secondary wagon be?
Alibaba/Saturday/Lind
 

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