Kira Yagami
God
@Lind you're in both games??
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If I told you Rej was very familiar with Soulkiller, would that influence your opinion at all?
Do you have a reason, or an alternative approach? I'd like to direct your attention to game one, who were predictably hopeless and now are stuck with a lynch poop of about 7 tomorrow because they were unable to organise anything. I surely don't need to explain why that's a bad thing for the town.oh right, it slipped my mind
yeah i am not doing that lol
You hadn't previously expressed any scum read on Soul, and you also haven't shown much interest in actually playing either. So what makes it fake for Soulkiller?
Lind
Fire and Blood
Hmm. No. But why do you wanna know about my role here?
Rej
Well-Known Member
Can you find the posts that show I was widely suspected? You are twisting a story here just for your own arguments sake. That is scummy Ratchet. You are more within your wolf range than in your town range.
So you don't flip, so we have no way of getting a sure read on your alignment? Is there a reason why you have not been forthcoming with this fact in the previous game?
I can point to the fact that the shot was made publically and the player who did it didn't even come close to getting lynched from that point onwards. Would that suffice as evidence?Can you find the posts that show I was widely suspected? You are twisting a story here just for your own arguments sake. That is scummy Ratchet. You are more within your wolf range than in your town range.
The OMGUS at the slightest prodding is also bot lost on me.
yes i have no plans to just go along with the decisions of a select few that we all just generally agree are town (which lol at that happening so early), without taking into account how that has no effect on their scum hunting ability or the arguments they have for someone being scum
this is false
soul had two posts by the last time i posted before i made the comment you're quoting
what cinches it is the "i don't care if i live or die"
and even if it didn't i don't trust fake "idc about this game until it's late" or whatever other bs
Rej
Well-Known Member
its just because you play better than 99% of the WG folks topkek and they couldn't see what I saw
it's easy to manipulate a bunch of rookies if you know how and it is part of a Ratchet-cotrolled game thread
H = Rej is right
C = Ratchet is top scum
L = Ratchet is town
7 faces
Lind
Fire and Blood
I wouldn't for a few reasons:
1) If scum were trying to kill me then I would only die in that game alone and still come back again when merged.
2) I don't believe me flipping has to be mentioned at all.
I'm town and to consider that I'm actually scum isn't right because I effectively cannot belong to any mafia team as neither of them are able to post or submit actions in the other game they're not part of. So a scum that belongs to both threads would be alone. I can't belong to both teams because the rules state that this is a multiball.
Me flipping my town role in one game would immediately confirm me as town in the other game if they haven't been merged so I believe Nitty made sure to janitor my role to avoid that from occurring.
SinRaven
SPACED OUT
I'm dumb what is H, C and L?its just because you play better than 99% of the WG folks topkek and they couldn't see what I saw
it's easy to manipulate a bunch of rookies if you know how and it is part of a Ratchet-cotrolled game thread
H = Rej is right
C = Ratchet is top scum
L = Ratchet is town
7 faces
So what does this tell you about my alignment this game?its just because you play better than 99% of the WG folks topkek and they couldn't see what I saw
it's easy to manipulate a bunch of rookies if you know how and it is part of a Ratchet-cotrolled game thread
H = Rej is right
C = Ratchet is top scum
L = Ratchet is town
7 faces
Rej
Well-Known Member
High, Center and Low
in a normal dice roll with 6 faces, high means 6,5,4 and low means 3,2,1
Conversely you're a role that can merge the teams. Do you see my concern here? I don't really feel like night killing is a good enough excuse on this given that you are half a Death Miller as it stands and we could otherwise assume you were janitored.
Rej
Well-Known Member
SinRaven
SPACED OUT
That's what I thought it meant but that would mean the dice are lying because I'm sure I saw you in my scum chat
Rej
Well-Known Member
Dice, is this a lie or is this a truth.
I'm not sure why you're speaking about yourself in the third person, or why you believe I'd be concerned over whether you trust me here given you haven't impressed me in our exchange. If anything though, I lean town just because I don't think scum Rej is stupid enough to get into this with me. That read will not take you far.Not trusting Ratchet currently
Rej was fun to have around in weebs.
Hayoo everyone, this is also my first time playing these gigantic games.
I am currently more invested in other games than this one, and since this is in the same scope of an ariess game if not larger. Don't expect much from me until late game if I even make it that late. Just FYI.
My personal opinion on SK is that he’s a new player maybe even new to the forum that doesn’t know favorites history. I also haven’t been active on NF in a while so I don’t know what the scene is like but I doubt y’all have that many games active around FAVORITES if NF is how I remember it.
Based off this, what he is saying doesn’t make sense. Plus, if I’m going to be active, he doesn’t have an excuse because I’m notorious for inactivity whether I like my role or not. Nitty is an excellent host. I’m pretty mid, but it’s aggravating having people throw your hard work back in your face and not respect it. I would vote him up on that alone.
as for alignment, it could go either way. He is giving me a Juan vibe of apathy and I find that more common among people who are mafia and trying to slide under the radar. Unfortunately for SK he doesn’t have the clout to act the way he does so it’s backfiring.
Not at all. I’ve played mafia with my brother on this website who theoretically should be the most familiar with me and it never produced anything.
I’m also slow on the mafia lingo, but metas (Shark Skin is an exception) and white knighting (I think that’s what it is called) is all bullshit.
I guess what I mean to say is that familiarity with a player imo doesn’t give you an advantage over other players. I just go by how they’re playing currently/what’s tangible.
@Ratchet i think a better approach would be to have everyone voting on one of the top 2 wagons. we will force a concensus..anyone who doesnt comply needs to be looked at
Rej
Well-Known Member
Figmentive
Fair enough, Hero. I like your current posting, I think I can see you thinking through this.
That would be intrinsic to the idea, yes. But consider - Kingmaker is fun.
Lind
Fire and Blood
I'm pretty sure the selected few aren't going to be dictators lol. We'll all be discussing and deciding on a viable lynch together. The selected players are only meant to streamline the process is my understanding.
Somewhat. They get the ultimate say, there is a reason they've been selected after all, but there is certainly room for discussion here. Any townie selected should be willing to hear the voices of the majority.
I would advise that if we are to move ahead with this, we get some names out there shortly.
Well given that those players have consequences against them, namely losing their say, they probably would be endeavouring to give it their best shot. We could even add a clause to lynch the player who makes a bad choice if it's errant enough. Lots of ways to work this.
Lind
Fire and Blood
Have you read the rules? Which I believe you have since you mentioned that Broki can be scum. Meaning you were keeping tabs on the other game.
Nitty posted that this entire game will function as a mutiball when the threads are merged, meaning that purple and red will face off against each other and not team up. So my role being able to merge the teams is out of the question by virtue of the rules existing in the game.
Why would night killing be the only reason here? There's thread play, thread control, thread presence - all of which are lost immediately on account of me being alone in one thread if I was mafia.
Being half a death miller is wrong wording, even if you're using it to describe a janitor of my role in one of the games I die in, since the rules again state that death millers don't exist.
I read SK’s posts again.
Not them comparing a game with mechanics to a CR (Aries) game
He/She/They are a first good target.
Not them comparing a game with mechanics to a CR (Aries) game
He/She/They are a first good target.
@Drago is replacing @SoulKiller.
Dragomir warned me that his activity will be limited until next week, but I think that's preferable to someone who isn't very interested in playing. Dragomir will not be made eligible for execution until next week.
Dragomir warned me that his activity will be limited until next week, but I think that's preferable to someone who isn't very interested in playing. Dragomir will not be made eligible for execution until next week.
It’s this post for meeeeee
Ninja’d
Drago
Lelouch vi Britannia Commands You!
That's exactly my point. The teams are separate, but it's not outside of reason that a role exists that could merge them together when the games rejoin.
You yourself are the one who gave being night killed as a reason to not reveal your hidden flip.
Hence half a death miller, yes. Because your role passively hides itself, which means the flip is altered
Lind
Fire and Blood
I honestly don't get your dice rolls here, Rej. Are you role playing Yumiko? I also think Ratchet only meant for you to not coast too much or encourage it too much.
Hmm, I actually do think familiarity with a player gives you some advantage over other players. Tone and gut reads I believe are heavily influenced by familiarity.
I believe Soul was talking about games on other forums that he's in. I currently know one other game that's running on another forum that SK, Ratchet, Rej and I are all playing in.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
I will comment on this, since there seem to be misunderstanding. I completely respect the effort put into these type of games by the hosts and I am by no mean trying to disrespect the host here. I came out with good faith for people who know me to tame their expectations, same as when I play an ariess game. I simply won't put much effort until late game in these type of games unless I get motivated to do so by whatever factors that revolves around my life. I never played any game of this magnitude before and I was told people sweat hard when it comes to fav and I mean hey good for them, but I wont' sweat in these type of games when you have 70+ players each one has shit ton of abilities. I heard stories of how previous games of this magnitude went down. The scum hunting effort put into it is simply not worth it for me, I joined to have fun, not sweat and try hard. As I said, I make it to late game, i'll carry my own weight when we reach that point. But now? naa I am just gonna cruise by and have fun. If this means you want me to be in the chopping block and get lynched for it. Then by all means be my guest. But do not mistake it as me disrespecting the host. If anything I have nothing but respect and admiration for the host for being able to host a game of such magnitude.
Regarding your comment about other games being active alongside fav. There actually is, and I am playing multiple games as we speak which I rarely ever do, and I am more invested in that game right now than this one and majority of my energy bar I have for mafia is being dedicated there instead. It is what it is regarding that.
Also, I am no new player. If anything I am an ancient mafia player who played this game longer than 98% of the players in this game. So do not mistake me for a new player, that would be a lethal mistake on your part.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
huh? I got replaced? interesting. Well I didn't expect this tbh and was gonna play and have fun but if this is your decision I respect it ^^
good luck for everyone and have fun.
It's okay SoulKiller, I understand being too busy for these sorts of games. I think subbing you out will be better for everyone. There's no hard feelings. I hope to see you around in future games.
Nessos
"HighFiveNight" - News
Not before I wake up tomorrow. No Time to catch up, end final phase group 1 Day 1.
No!you’re joking
Currently I am trying to figure out who is worthy!
What does quoting that part of my post contribute to the discussion?
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
That's fair, although I would of preferred if you consulted me regarding this before making a decision. You mistaken my post as not wanting to play which is not the case at all and kinda unfair, I simply just wanted to have fun. But whatever, good luck in your game. I would of been more active than 50% of the players you have in that 70+ player list of yours and people who know me can back me up on this. So I really don't understand this decision you made because it came from assumptions on your part and lack of faith, which I am not fan of.
I want the game to feel competitive, which requires removing players who forfeit or act unengaged. Something similar just happened with DDL in group 1, the difference is that by the time DDL gave up, was too late to replace him. DDL is my friend and there's no hard feelings, but if someone just isn't available to compete right now, I think it's better for them and everyone else to remove them.
Rej
Well-Known Member
charles101
hot dog doodie
Hello 
... Aren't they viable option for lynch if they voted whoever get's lynched, anyway? I mean mechanically. Tbh, voting someone who's been scum read by general town reads isn't something unusual to begin with. That's just putting lots of weight on people generally read as town. Like, just because you're town and people believe you are, doesn't mean you can't be waaaay off with your reads. I'd personally just let people do their thing, but if majority stands behind it, then sure.
... Aren't they viable option for lynch if they voted whoever get's lynched, anyway? I mean mechanically. Tbh, voting someone who's been scum read by general town reads isn't something unusual to begin with. That's just putting lots of weight on people generally read as town. Like, just because you're town and people believe you are, doesn't mean you can't be waaaay off with your reads. I'd personally just let people do their thing, but if majority stands behind it, then sure.
You're backtracking now. Your posts were very harsh and clear, which is why you received such strong reactions from other players. You really left me no choice in the matter. This is not a game that can take a backseat to other games. You said the other games you're in were more important to you, so my hands were tied. I don't want anyone to misrepresent this as me overreacting. This is the last I want to discuss the matter here, further posts on the subject will be removed.
Didi
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oh god after so long of not playing mafia AND so long of mostly using anonymous forums it's hard to actually remember that I have to read people's names/avatars to remember who made what posts lmao
anyway
what's up bitches
my first impression is that Rej is annoying as fuck with meaningless spam
anyway
what's up bitches
my first impression is that Rej is annoying as fuck with meaningless spam
Rej
Well-Known Member
Lind
Fire and Blood
That's tinfoiling against the rules. For this to be true, Nitty is hosting a bastard game where the rules and my role is a lie. I don't see the reason to consider this line of reasoning at all when the rules explicitly state otherwise.
I said if I was killed, I wouldn't leave both games and would still come back when the threads are merged. Then I also said that posting and submitting abilities would be massively hindered for any lone mafia in one of the threads that his or her team isn't in.
Then when you mentioned that night killing isn't enough, I mentioned that thread attributes would also be hindered because I said so in my previous post that posting and submitting actions will be hard.
So you agree about the death miller rule being true and thus call my role a half death miller, but contest the rule where it says that Red and Purple mafia will not merge? It can't be both ways, Ratchy.
It's simple really, I am town who can take part in both groups until the merger.
Mechanically yes, but a lot of this is self-governing. When I use viable lynch there, I am of course talking about a small pool of players who we agree on being plausibly scum.Hello
... Aren't they viable option for lynch if they voted whoever get's lynched, anyway? I mean mechanically. Tbh, voting someone who's been scum read by general town reads isn't something unusual to begin with. That's just putting lots of weight on people generally read as town. Like, just because you're town and people believe you are, doesn't mean you can't be waaaay off with your reads. I'd personally just let people do their thing, but if majority stands behind it, then sure.
Didi
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Okay I need some very important information first btw: Is Rion still around, has he changed his name, and if so is he in this game? Because then I can get that lynch over with
Didi
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Light town read on Ratshit so far, but he's also been known to powerwolf so I maybe I shouldn't vibe with him yet. But my gut so far says good.
Uh, no? This reaction is quite out of line with what I'm saying. The rules state they will no automatically merge, I offered a theory that your role may allow them to do so. That's not Bastard, it's not against the rules, and I'm certainly not breaking any by suggesting it may be possible.
Well in this context you would be more of an Indie role until merger, yes.
I feel like you're not really understanding what I'm saying here.
Lind
Fire and Blood
The post where you said familiarity doesn't mean much is simply a sentiment I disagreed with and wanted to address.
Didi
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okay what the fuck are you nerds talking about
is Lind also in group 1 and therefore people are kinda sus?
sounds indie to me tbh
is Lind also in group 1 and therefore people are kinda sus?
sounds indie to me tbh
Lind is in both games, yes. Game 1 decided not to quiz this at all, but already we've established that should Lind die in one of these games, he will not die in the other, but his singular role is used in both, and when the games merge, as long as he's alive in one at the time of the merger he'll be alive in the merged game. Oh, and if he dies while the games are split, his role will be hidden.
Didi
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Hmm
The fire rises
Didi
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though could also be some potential godfather or similar considering I believe both games have the same mafia groups?
Like, it's not group A & B in game 1 and group C & D in game 2, but rather A1 & B1 and A2 & B2, right?
Like, it's not group A & B in game 1 and group C & D in game 2, but rather A1 & B1 and A2 & B2, right?
Didi are you town?
Didi
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I think it's just A (Red) in 1, and B (Purple) in 2.
charles101
hot dog doodie
He is but pretty sure he's not playing rn.
I mean, I don't expect it to be something like "Tell us who's scum and we'll lynch you if you're wrong", but this could be used by mafia to go from one mislynch to another easier. And if 2nd one was town read, it's even better.
What I'm saying is basically that i'm seeing more possible risks than benefits.
From my understanding it’s two different factions. I think the colors are meant to indicate this
charles101
hot dog doodie
Btw, is there confirmed it's 1 mafia per game anywhere? Why wouldn't it be half-red and half-purple in both games?
Lind
Fire and Blood
The rules state that there will be no merger. Period. It doesn't address anything of the sort or hint towards it being automatic or ability generated. Nitty explicitly says that here:
There is no need to assume that there will be a merger by a role that is openly shown to participate in both threads in the announcement or instill any paranoia of team mergers further down the line.
In that hypothetical context, that mafia member will also be kinda screwed.
Also, I'm town here.
Correct me if I'm wrong then:
- You said that my role is half death miller because I janitor on my first death.
- I said that death millers don't exist in this game as per the rules themselves.
- You said that's why you called me half death miller because that's the term you use to describe my first janitor flip.
Did I get that right?
Didi
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What about you Fangyboy?
Lind
Fire and Blood
Please read the rules Charles.
charles101
hot dog doodie
I did .-. Yesterday, gimme a sec
I am also a friend of justice
Didi
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Yes, but are you town?
charles101
hot dog doodie
oh, nvm
So are you Pain or Naruto
Lind
Fire and Blood
I'm town actually. I've explained my reasoning to Ratchet. If you still have your doubts after that, then you can judge me by my playstyle.
It's Group 1 - Red Mafia and Group 2 - Purple Mafia.
That's what the rules state.
Red team in group 1, purple team in group 2.
Didi
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OOOOh I completely read over this ONE line in the like EXTRA rules
"6. The red and purple mafia teams are separated into groups 1 and 2, respectively. When the groups are combined, the two towns merge into one town while the red and mafia teams become enemies, and the game becomes a multiball."
you are right
thanks for clearing it up
I am stoopid