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The Lukundo said:
Man, I don't see how LG was lost wolf.

I'm reading it and it seems to definitely know its partners
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Well like I said we're not sure who knew who. I agree i think LG knew his partners, but I don't think his partners knew who he was. Hence why I called him the GF because that's really what it looks like lol. They weren't in the same chat, though, because he has to use abilities to communicate with them.

Unfortunately knowing that LG knew his partners doesn't really help much because lg didn't say much
 
The Lukundo said:
Yo, what's Flash?
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JoJo said:
also reads for the game, at least ones that i think are noteworthy

karma - my biggest town read. aligns with his meta that i recognize from him. he contributes to the game and makes actual attempts at scum hunting. ended up getting LG lynched and i dont think that a mafia member does that on purpose

AG - level headed player. drives a lot of discussion and i really liked when he dropped circular topics. not flooding the thread is usually a good sign. good contributions to the game. possible powerwolf but i town lean on him.

broker - i did not like that coast into vote last DP. im positive this is her scum meta, but just like myself, i know she's not as invested in NF anymore and i havent played with her in a minute. might wrong but i have a good feeling im not. she claims to be catching up though so we'll see but until i see something from her im scum leaning.

flower - before i was unsure, but now im back to scum lean with vanya basically soft claiming he put her in the running for the lynch. also i wont lie, the guy from the other thread, @Ekkologix has a huge scum read on her and i feel like that's actually something worth considering. he's basically an outsider with an unbiased point of view regardless of whether or not he is scum in his own game. but i dont think a scum member in another game would actually put in that much effort. my intial instinct was a scum read on her so im gonna stick with it

shrike - he's rating my posts and catching up. i still think he's on his town meta and i like what he posts. town lean. hopefully he makes more posts so i can see his thoughts on everything

alwaysmind - one of the scummiest things you can do this game, especially on the first day, is avoid the main lynch for a reason that's purely stubbornness. in the avoidance of the lynch, he put 1 less vote on LG who flipped scum and made himself ineligible for the next days vote. hopefully whoever can add him to the candidacy for tomorrow night can do that for us if he tries dodging it. I also can't really recall any meaningful substance from him. he was top 3-5 on D1 and now 7th and has barely appeared as well. being this unmemorable is a bad sign.

owner - haven't had any bad vibes from them. everything they've said has aligned with the game in a fair manner. reading their posts usually doesn't invoke any real signs of wolfiness. he seems to be putting out his actual thoughts on the game and trying to be constructive with game solving

laix - biggest scum read. already went over it, but nothing adds up with him in a logical manner for me. everything he does just pings me with a scum vibe and i wanna get rid of him sooner rather than later

that's it for now, probably need to go back and read the through the painful circles
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READ THIS LATER

Sorry, about to do another game (short one lasting like an hour or summat)
 
Shizune said:
2. From day 2 onward, every day phase will have two lynches that follow different rules. Lynch one will simply be referred to as "the lynch," and may only be applied to people who voted for the previous day's lynchee. For example, if @Kvothe Kingkiller is lynched on day 1, then on day 2, only people who voted for Kvothe are eligible for the lynch. Lynch two will be referred to as "the execution," and may only be applied to the four living players who had the lowest post count at the beginning of that day. At the beginning of each day, I will announce which players are eligible for lynching, and which players are eligible for execution. If you decide to sheep wagons or go inactive, you will be in danger. But the more astute among you may avoid ever being eligible for lynching or execution. Day 1 will simply feature one normal lynch which can be applied to anyone.
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bruh.
 
JoJo said:
also reads for the game, at least ones that i think are noteworthy

karma - my biggest town read. aligns with his meta that i recognize from him. he contributes to the game and makes actual attempts at scum hunting. ended up getting LG lynched and i dont think that a mafia member does that on purpose

AG - level headed player. drives a lot of discussion and i really liked when he dropped circular topics. not flooding the thread is usually a good sign. good contributions to the game. possible powerwolf but i town lean on him.

broker - i did not like that coast into vote last DP. im positive this is her scum meta, but just like myself, i know she's not as invested in NF anymore and i havent played with her in a minute. might wrong but i have a good feeling im not. she claims to be catching up though so we'll see but until i see something from her im scum leaning.

flower - before i was unsure, but now im back to scum lean with vanya basically soft claiming he put her in the running for the lynch. also i wont lie, the guy from the other thread, @Ekkologix has a huge scum read on her and i feel like that's actually something worth considering. he's basically an outsider with an unbiased point of view regardless of whether or not he is scum in his own game. but i dont think a scum member in another game would actually put in that much effort. my intial instinct was a scum read on her so im gonna stick with it

shrike - he's rating my posts and catching up. i still think he's on his town meta and i like what he posts. town lean. hopefully he makes more posts so i can see his thoughts on everything

alwaysmind - one of the scummiest things you can do this game, especially on the first day, is avoid the main lynch for a reason that's purely stubbornness. in the avoidance of the lynch, he put 1 less vote on LG who flipped scum and made himself ineligible for the next days vote. hopefully whoever can add him to the candidacy for tomorrow night can do that for us if he tries dodging it. I also can't really recall any meaningful substance from him. he was top 3-5 on D1 and now 7th and has barely appeared as well. being this unmemorable is a bad sign.

owner - haven't had any bad vibes from them. everything they've said has aligned with the game in a fair manner. reading their posts usually doesn't invoke any real signs of wolfiness. he seems to be putting out his actual thoughts on the game and trying to be constructive with game solving

laix - biggest scum read. already went over it, but nothing adds up with him in a logical manner for me. everything he does just pings me with a scum vibe and i wanna get rid of him sooner rather than later

that's it for now, probably need to go back and read the through the painful circles
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You literally explan why Broker's thing isn't AI and then proceed to keep it being AI.

I know you've SR'd them before so is it just gut? Cause it seems like coasting isn't AI at all if they're losing interest.

Why does Vanya putting Flower into the lynch make them scum?

What made you TR them D1? You said you had an initial instinct SR on them but also said you were unsure. What was the towny pints from her?

You got any specific posts from Shrike you like or just them in general? If you give me any specific posts, can you explain why you like them pls.

ACTUALLY YEAH, that thing on AM mixed with Karma's reasons makes AM look fuckin atrocious now.

Cheers, JoJo
 
man if this is how mafia is here these days, I won't be staying. How many mfs in here saying they haven't read the rules or the mechanics, and then come in talking shit about the game that they don't even know. Not to mention how rude it is to the host who made the game and explicitly said multiple times that there were special rules.

Flower said:
I disagree. Consensus can easily be abused by scum and also forcefully pushed. That‘s where deep wolves come into play. If a consensus Town read is actually scum that means Town lost, basically.
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Why do you think that I didn't want to just agree with anything Vanya said? Same idea here.

Karma said:
[Vote lynch hidden]

Disliked the vote switching last minute from Ish to LG

The sheeping + the lack of presence so far i dislike :pepesmoke

[Vote execute ~Mystic Serenade~]
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Have you read the mechanics? There is a reason people are switching last minute. Using this to scumhunt this game is a bad idea.

Ishmael said:
I think Drakke needs to chill out a bit.

I honestly want to see what becomes of you as the day go on. I’m wary of you but that’s out if respect.

im catching up still and getting into the game. Give me time. I actually have time to play for a bit.

oh I did notice Jojo. I like them. They aren’t as aggressive as Drakke but they’re definitely on it and poke for information in a town like way so I’m liking them.
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I'll chill out when people stop posting nonsense. And I refuse to back down to someone like Vanya because he likes to be aggressive. Just not my playstyle, sorry.

The Lukundo said:
I'll tell you guys now that a roleblocker does exist in this game.

Could be G2. Could be Town.

But it makes what Flower maybe more credible.
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How would you know, if it might be game 2? I'm not saying I don't believe that there's a RB in the game, considering it's mentioned in the rules several times, but why specify game 2 that you shouldn't have any knowledge of?

Admiral Fujitora said:
Well the only two things in the list that can delay kill abut none of them apply to what she said, she claims she will die the next morning meaning a 1 cycle kill, something none of those two things do. Bleed removes 1 life and poison rolecrushes the 2nd night and then kills the 3rd night so if she was poisoned she would not die tomorrow but the day after.

Anyways, Flower said that maybe its an ability that applies disease and to look for any character that can spread em.
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This is a smart idea. I'm unfamiliar with many of the roles in the game, but it could be worth while to find a role that fits a disease. Tiamat has poison breathe, but then it would probably have been a poison ability on Flower.



[Vote Execute Atlantic Storm] I'm in favour of executing one of the players with zero posts. That's the point of this mechanic after all. If everyone starts posting then I'll move to lowest total posts.
 
Draekke said:
How would you know, if it might be game 2? I'm not saying I don't believe that there's a RB in the game, considering it's mentioned in the rules several times, but why specify game 2 that you shouldn't have any knowledge of?
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Cause I think there's at least one in the game. Am I supposed to know for sure what game it's in? No. Therefore it's in at least one of them.
 
@Admiral Fujitora - any luck deciphering roles that may have a disease mechanic? I'm curious to hear from those with more role info than me.

@Lind - hoping to get some of your insight from how Game 2 went, if you can identify any mistakes that were made that got Platinum lynched. I read the thread, but it's not the same as being in it. Had to skim many posts to get through it.

@TheAncientCenturion - What are some reads you've got? I had you as a town lean early D1, but then you disappeared for a while. Keep up with the hunting and prodding
 
The Lukundo said:
No.

As it could be in G1. Which means that it makes what Flower said more belivable.

If I understood what Flower was claiming properly in the first place.

It is pointless but at that point, from my point of view, it was not.

Anymore questions?
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If you read the rules, then it is a pointless and redundant thing to say. Also it had been mentioned several times already in the thread. Regardless you saying you haven't read the rules, I'm going to hold you to the same reasoning as I hold others.

I appreciate that you are hunting hard, but a lot of our reads are the opposite. I believe you're town atm, but I'm trying to figure out how we can be seeing this game so differently. But again, it's been years since I've been on here, so new eyes might be seeing stuff, if you're familiar with others. Something to think about.
 
Thoughts from today:

Draekke: Interacted with him. Makes me feel like he could just be an overly paranoid Townie whose glass is half empty rather than half full. We do share some opinions, though, so I guess he‘s prob just Town.
Andrew: I will never agree with him, but I knew that from last Favs already.
Hidden: I don‘t like his poking around and his vote on me was a little off. Also I value Karma‘s thoughts, so he might be onto sth here.
Luk: The guy‘s pure af.
Fuji: Might just be Town, too, Idk.
Laix: Kinda like him ngl.
Mango: Is being Mango.
 
The Lukundo said:
You literally explan why Broker's thing isn't AI and then proceed to keep it being AI.
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No. I said in my experience with her, this is her scum meta. However, just like with me, it's been awhile since I hardcore played mafia and was super invested in it. My play in this game and the previous one is way less meme-y and spammy and I'm not the top poster when I usually am. It's because I have other things that interest me and things change over time. If I'm gonna extend myself a pass and a logical reason on why I can change, it's going to be applicable to other players in the same circumstances.

That being said, it's up to me to actually talk to her about and determine how she's allocating her time and how she feels about the game. If the reasons are equally as bad as her coasting, her random vote throwing, her appearances with her fluff, etc. then I'm gonna be pretty confident in this meta read and it's gonna align with her character.

I guess there's also a level of unsure when it comes to people who are coasting and who appear to be scum without clear indicators. I'm just another townie with no real information this game other than on vanya/DDL and the scum role. Gun to my head, I'll say she's scum. But with no gun I can be a bit more flexible.

The Lukundo said:
Why does Vanya putting Flower into the lynch make them scum?
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I town read Vanya based on the ability flips. He's pretty consistent with himself from day 1, and despite the circular arguing that's going on I have a decent feeling about him. I don't think scum would put her into the lynchable list.

The Lukundo said:
What made you TR them D1? You said you had an initial instinct SR on them but also said you were unsure. What was the towny pints from her?
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My instinct said that so much fluff from one player is a bad sign. They were constantly pressed about the topics revolving themselves when it came to much of anything being applied to them. The only towny points from her is that she got a lot of attention from early on in the thread. It could be that someone is trying to leverage her inclusion to stray away from their mafia buddies in the actual lynch. But I still dont think she's contributed all that much, given an solid reads, typically defers to other players, etc.

But she claimed she could clear her but also got role blocked, which seems like a scum move against her. Not impossible she's a red herring but I scum lean.
The Lukundo said:
You got any specific posts from Shrike you like or just them in general? If you give me any specific posts, can you explain why you like them pls.
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Shrike said:
Some players are grabbing onto that meta and they will be telling you how each of them has a tell, but most of it is bs. Follow your nose, dispel the fluff like you have so far.
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Shrike said:
Don't lock me as town bruv, I'll get shot. I am too young to die.


Friendo you have changed your username so many times your own mother wouldn't recognize you. Hope you are well and that you're town too :heart
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Shrike said:
I am caught up, ask me anything
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Shrike said:
If Cooler doesn't continue posting, throw him in the scum pile.
Mich is dodging, scum lean.
Ish is just annoying with his attitude, but it's nai.
Null on others.
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These. I know shrike very well, even outside of the game. This is a half meta read and half game read. He gives good advice to players stray away from poor decision, puts himself out there when talking about the game, conveys a believable level of paranoia, etc. Very comfortable reading his posts. It's not something I think he would do if he was scum. Willing to town lean him and wait further developments.

The Lukundo said:
ACTUALLY YEAH, that thing on AM mixed with Karma's reasons makes AM look fuckin atrocious now.
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Fucking horrid. Especially when it's so easy to say "I thought they would get lynch, honest!! not trying to save my neck for anything!!"
 
JoJo said:
No. I said in my experience with her, this is her scum meta. However, just like with me, it's been awhile since I hardcore played mafia and was super invested in it. My play in this game and the previous one is way less meme-y and spammy and I'm not the top poster when I usually am. It's because I have other things that interest me and things change over time. If I'm gonna extend myself a pass and a logical reason on why I can change, it's going to be applicable to other players in the same circumstances.

That being said, it's up to me to actually talk to her about and determine how she's allocating her time and how she feels about the game. If the reasons are equally as bad as her coasting, her random vote throwing, her appearances with her fluff, etc. then I'm gonna be pretty confident in this meta read and it's gonna align with her character.

I guess there's also a level of unsure when it comes to people who are coasting and who appear to be scum without clear indicators. I'm just another townie with no real information this game other than on vanya/DDL and the scum role. Gun to my head, I'll say she's scum. But with no gun I can be a bit more flexible.


I town read Vanya based on the ability flips. He's pretty consistent with himself from day 1, and despite the circular arguing that's going on I have a decent feeling about him. I don't think scum would put her into the lynchable list.


My instinct said that so much fluff from one player is a bad sign. They were constantly pressed about the topics revolving themselves when it came to much of anything being applied to them. The only towny points from her is that she got a lot of attention from early on in the thread. It could be that someone is trying to leverage her inclusion to stray away from their mafia buddies in the actual lynch. But I still dont think she's contributed all that much, given an solid reads, typically defers to other players, etc.

But she claimed she could clear her but also got role blocked, which seems like a scum move against her. Not impossible she's a red herring but I scum lean.








These. I know shrike very well, even outside of the game. This is a half meta read and half game read. He gives good advice to players stray away from poor decision, puts himself out there when talking about the game, conveys a believable level of paranoia, etc. Very comfortable reading his posts. It's not something I think he would do if he was scum. Willing to town lean him and wait further developments.


Fucking horrid. Especially when it's so easy to say "I thought they would get lynch, honest!! not trying to save my neck for anything!!"
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I like your reads/leans/insights. They align with mine pretty well. Also agree with you about Laix.

How many mafia would you think made it onto the vote stack yesterday? Just based on my thoughts so far... maybe one, two at a stretch.
 
Saturday said:
[Vote Lynch Flower]

Last phase I randomly chose a target (DragonLuffy), just so I could backtrack later and see who jumped on it. Turned out he ragequit so I saw results earlier than I thought(and preferred).

anyways you’re all over the place

+

[Vote Execute Vivo Diez]
You gotta goooo
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Vanya claimed that Vivo is Town. Execute somebody else.
 
Draekke said:
@Admiral Fujitora - any luck deciphering roles that may have a disease mechanic? I'm curious to hear from those with more role info than me.

@Lind - hoping to get some of your insight from how Game 2 went, if you can identify any mistakes that were made that got Platinum lynched. I read the thread, but it's not the same as being in it. Had to skim many posts to get through it.

@TheAncientCenturion - What are some reads you've got? I had you as a town lean early D1, but then you disappeared for a while. Keep up with the hunting and prodding
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I havent even begun lol.
 
Draekke said:
[Vote Execute Atlantic Storm] I'm in favour of executing one of the players with zero posts. That's the point of this mechanic after all. If everyone starts posting then I'll move to lowest total posts.
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Removing agency from your vote and blaming post count is anti-town. We should be using all our kills to get our most likely scum read from available votes.

braindeading onto lowest poster leaves no accountability to you, which makes it harder to read you, AND nearly guarentees the excecute hits town.
 
Draekke said:
I like your reads/leans/insights. They align with mine pretty well. Also agree with you about Laix.

How many mafia would you think made it onto the vote stack yesterday? Just based on my thoughts so far... maybe one, two at a stretch.
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Havent read your D2 stuff yet, there was a lot of boring topics this phase early on ngl. but based on d1 i still have you as a town lean.

i actually think mafia hella strayed from his vote. i cant see why they'd bus their (lost gf?) or mate. it makes even less sense that more than a few of them would make themselves eligible for the next day lynch when its so easy to avoid it
 
AndrewGreve said:
Removing agency from your vote and blaming post count is anti-town. We should be using all our kills to get our most likely scum read from available votes.

braindeading onto lowest poster leaves no accountability to you, which makes it harder to read you, AND nearly guarentees the excecute hits town.
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The intention was to follow Shizune's mechanical intent, and to choose from four inactives. He even references that he will intervene if the execute goes to someone active. I agree with most of what you say, but not this. That being said, I also don't blame you for thinking it.

JoJo said:
Havent read your D2 stuff yet, there was a lot of boring topics this phase early on ngl. but based on d1 i still have you as a town lean.

i actually think mafia hella strayed from his vote. i cant see why they'd bus their (lost gf?) or mate. it makes even less sense that more than a few of them would make themselves eligible for the next day lynch when its so easy to avoid it
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We can't discount the possibility that the mafia didn't know LG was in their mafia based on his role. Not for sure mind you, but I think it would be silly to ignore that.
 
AndrewGreve said:
draekke's focus today on whining about players not reading rules etc is weakening my read for sure, and like I said I have very mild soft mechanics to suggest he is town.

can you go back to scum hunting rather than being mad at people that dont read the rules?
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There was not a singular reaction from Drakka when Luk and me voted him either

🤔
 
AndrewGreve said:
draekke's focus today on whining about players not reading rules etc is weakening my read for sure, and like I said I have very mild soft mechanics to suggest he is town.

can you go back to scum hunting rather than being mad at people that dont read the rules?
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They're one and the same, unfortunately because I won't trust those who say that, because it's a nice little way to slide under the radar like "well they didn't read the rules, so maybe not scum, because scum would read the rules for sure" (Laix paraphrase). May it change your thoughts on me, sure. But I won't let people slip under notice.
 
Draekke said:
The intention was to follow Shizune's mechanical intent, and to choose from four inactives. He even references that he will intervene if the execute goes to someone active. I agree with most of what you say, but not this. That being said, I also don't blame you for thinking it.
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I think we can leave moderation to the mods. If they wanted it to target the lowest poster, thats what they would have done.

he also said if it becomes a problem it would be solved BEFORE we have a list to vote on.

use your tools to help the town. bitching at people for not stacking on wagon D1, and then intentionally making a vote that leaves you blameless is like, inconsistent at the very least. also anti-town
 
Draekke said:
The intention was to follow Shizune's mechanical intent, and to choose from four inactives. He even references that he will intervene if the execute goes to someone active. I agree with most of what you say, but not this. That being said, I also don't blame you for thinking it.


We can't discount the possibility that the mafia didn't know LG was in their mafia based on his role. Not for sure mind you, but I think it would be silly to ignore that.
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for enphasis, you are literally NOT choosing.
 
Flower said:
You could use more positivity tbh. Else I don‘t mind that play style.
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The way my brain works is to find the loopholes and to search for those being untrustworthy. This leads me to being very aware that any of us could be lying at any minute, so I tend to analyze everything I read in the scope that it could be true and it could be a lie, and all the inbetween possibilities. Overthinking for the win?
 
Draekke said:
They're one and the same, unfortunately because I won't trust those who say that, because it's a nice little way to slide under the radar like "well they didn't read the rules, so maybe not scum, because scum would read the rules for sure" (Laix paraphrase). May it change your thoughts on me, sure. But I won't let people slip under notice.
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I get that. I didnt like all of Luk's derps and tend to read stuff like that as scummy. I am not sure how often it actually leads me correctly so now I just try to treat it like heavy emotions in posts. Town and mafia both do it, so I ignore it.
 
AndrewGreve said:
I think we can leave moderation to the mods. If they wanted it to target the lowest poster, thats what they would have done.

he also said if it becomes a problem it would be solved BEFORE we have a list to vote on.

use your tools to help the town. bitching at people for not stacking on wagon D1, and then intentionally making a vote that leaves you blameless is like, inconsistent at the very least. also anti-town
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Do what you want, believe what you'd like, but I am not going to game Shizune's mechanics even if its for town benefit. Sorry man, I prefer to honor the rules as they are stated.
 
Draekke said:
The way my brain works is to find the loopholes and to search for those being untrustworthy. This leads me to being very aware that any of us could be lying at any minute, so I tend to analyze everything I read in the scope that it could be true and it could be a lie, and all the inbetween possibilities. Overthinking for the win?
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This can help, yes, but it can also lead to distrust where there doesn't have to be any. I go by the "innocent until proven guilty" principle. Though if your play style works it works I guess.
 
AndrewGreve said:
I get that. I didnt like all of Luk's derps and tend to read stuff like that as scummy. I am not sure how often it actually leads me correctly so now I just try to treat it like heavy emotions in posts. Town and mafia both do it, so I ignore it.
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But just as easily as you choose to ignore something that both mafia and town do, I choose to follow those leads because... it could be mafia or town. Therefore press them to figure it out, and move on from there.
 
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