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AndrewGreve said:
you had flower as town?

I think that is our only real disagreement. So I need to figure which of us is correct.

I really didnt like there day 1. could you explain more what you liked. doesnt need to be quotes

I like you so far today.
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Yeah I had Flower as Town.

There was 1 post. I could get it and I 100% will another time or later but not this second.

Also

I'm correct.

It's me.
 
JoJo said:
ngl i dont even remember what i talked about with mich

i think i just wanted to cook him a lil to see what he would do
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P#1140 doesn't make sense with a previous pst of JoJo's when they're going at Mich saying shit like "Are **you** scum buddies with Lukundo?" Either they don't believe the read or it isn't a read and it's straight up shade. Again, I don't have a read on Mich but I really dislike this from JoJo. The other post I'm talking about BTW is: P#1101
 
The Lukundo said:
P#1140 doesn't make sense with a previous pst of JoJo's when they're going at Mich saying shit like "Are **you** scum buddies with Lukundo?" Either they don't believe the read or it isn't a read and it's straight up shade. Again, I don't have a read on Mich but I really dislike this from JoJo. The other post I'm talking about BTW is: P#1101
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oh yeah that

i was just throwing shade :mjlol

wanted to roast him a lil to see what was up or what he would say
 
@The Lukundo - to answer your question, which I think meant to show examples of what we disagree on/have opposite reads on.

The Lukundo said:
The reads are just you saying "They're posting fluff"

Why did you feel the need to post those (for Flower, Admiral, Vanya, Centurian and Alibaba)?
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You think fluff isn't sus.
The Lukundo said:
Vanya/Flower/Always are alright for my TRs rn. If I'm wrong on any it's Always then Vanya. Don't think I'm wrong on Flower tbh
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You had these three as your early town reads, which was completely opposite my reads. Vanya plays this game in a way I don't understand as town. Alwaysmind has not really done much. And Flower has been sus all game to most people.

The Lukundo said:
So I'm writing this early in the morning of the night phase but hard apologies for not being around after. I thought it was 48 rather than 24 so when I went to check the thread at the like 27 mark, day was over. My bad. Writing the catchup now tho

I didn't like Draekke's answer in P#585 due to "Trying to make my thoughts clear to the group to help Town" and "It was a plan to get reactions all along" aren't the same thing. One is saying that they were just meant to help in themselves and the other is saying they were setup and overall it feels like a bollocks way to read someone. @AndrewGreve Resonse to P#609

Also, I should probably say now, I did see the flip of LG was a wolf. I know the other guy is Town but I don't know who they are so I'm not gonna check and just try and work as purely as I can within that.

51 PAGES AND I'M AT 21? Fuck me.

Owner's reply in P#657 is really Townie. Feels honest and makes the read in the first place feels legit and a personal way they actually used to find JoJo's alignment.

Owner reads list Owner reads list Owner reads list

Drakkae one sucks but ofc it does for me. Wanna have Lind explained cause I didn't really pick up anything on them yet. I'll try keep an eye out for them now tho. I'm kinda happy with AG being in the TRs tbh. nfc is a gut read so /shrug. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart Is there anything specific about why you SR Vanya?

Fuck me, JoJo actually gives proper shit... (P#715)

Let's read.

Alright, the Flower one is a lot of words and can be rounded up to "They're fluff posting" which isn't anything new.

Do kinda like tho that they started making reads on the top posters first.

AG: Yeah, nah. I don't think AG's read on Drakke is TMI. I think they're most of the time same alignment. If they're ever not the same alignment, I think AG is just wrong and Draekke is a wolf. I don't see it as AG's a wolf TMI'ing Draekke. That's a strange hill to die on as he didn't hard TR Drakkae earlier and I don't think a wolf would ever try and make pressure on a townie go away, even if they TR them. If you're doing a TMI villager read, you'd give the read and go on with your day and claim credit later. That feels like a kinda shitty read from JoJo, no offence.

Bro, P#729

I don't like the thought of getting burned if Vanya ever does flip wolf but cmon...

Looking at Vanya/Drakkae on page 25 vs Vanya/AG on page whatever, I think Draekke is actually wolfy unlike I did AG. With AG it felt like a clash of ideals or personalities or summat like I said earlier. This time it does actually feel like a clash of alignments. and I don't think this is Kundo's unconscious scumread of Draekke kicking in. It probably doesn't help but I do think Draekke looks bad from this.

@JoJo P#746

Aye, it feels like you fuck around a lot. Memey, wolfy. idk how to explain it properly so I'm just gonna lump it on someone else. @Mich It's like Manti from MU.

AG, all that part of the scumread from you is "I'm not here" and if that's your reasoning for SR'ing me when you asked me questions or stuff happened when I wasn't here, piss off.

@Flower P#766

Why the Fuji SR? Just vibes? I really dislike that Alibaba read from you purely cause "No scum tells" doesn't exactly mean Town lean. Do like your hesitancy to that tho with "Maybe"

Flower, the amount of reads you have listed to the actual reads is really fuckin low, dude.

I still probably have you as Town cause I have liked you mostly.

This thing between Admiral and Flower is really fuckin boring BTW and it's just going in circles.

Do I want to TR DDL cause man is blantly just following me? (P#813) Yeah, tbh. I do. I don't know anything about him *but* I think that if it's AI at all, it's villa indicative.

BRO

Lind is towny as shit. (P#814) Jfc.

What's that now: Vanya/Lind/Flower/Owner/Always(?)/DDL(?)

I do actually like that group.

Fuck me, catching up is a pain in the arse.

HELL YEAH, MICHELLE WALL.

AND IT'S ABOUT ME

@Mich The "I tried" thing was that, I couldn't even try to lie about being able to get a read there. At that point in time, I didn't see a single thing I could properly read him for.

Is Michelle actually improving on reading me? You going back into Godread territory?

Maybe.

We'll see another game.

I should probably reread the wall to get a read on Mich FML.

I'll be real, none of P#871 is nothing you can't fake but I did like it.

Laix isn't townie. I ain't calling them scum but if someone has a TR on them before P#909 I'd love to hear the reasoning to it.

ACTUALLY SHIT

So

I don't have a read on Karma. Ain't actually read P#932 yet but I do remember Karma specifically as "This guy was at LG's throat for like literally no reason" and now considering LG's flip, I'm going to just assume Karma as villager.

Time to actually read the post tho.

@Karma Why have/had you got Flower/AG as your highest towns?

That thing on AM actually is nice to know. Doesn't help a bit cause it means he's more likely scummy and I would rather have been right on my read but is nice to know.

Centurion's read abut killing Vanya and Flower is pain.

P#953 from AG is kinda bad. I get being annoyed but that line specifically just feels bad.

P#983 is maybe bad when there's a scum lynch at EoD. This is a reach read tho so take it lightly.

Really really liked P#1018 from nfcnorth

I know I keep bitching about catching up but fuck me, I'm on 35 and I still have like 16 to go.

Shit, Vivo's gaming?

Mich feels much more statement-y rather than inquisitive or ready but meh. I don't have a decent read on her yet. (As of P#1080)

BTW, confident that JoJo/Mich isn't W/W. Unsure if either are properly wolf (maybe JoJo but that would be a reach now) but if either do flip wolf, the other isn't partners.

P#1085 from Hidden is the exact type of shit a wolf would say about their partner.

P#1140 doesn't make sense with a previous pst of JoJo's when they're going at Mich saying shit like "Are **you** scum buddies with Lukundo?" Either they don't believe the read or it isn't a read and it's straight up shade. Again, I don't have a read on Mich but I really dislike this from JoJo. The other post I'm talking about BTW is: P#1101

I do not like Hidden's EoD. - Shit like P#1194.

This shit ain't townie.

Hidden can go after Draekke and JoJo.

10 PAGES LEFT BBBBBBBBBBBBB!!!

bruh, EoD Lind townier than Vanya tbh. Get fucked.

Gotta love AG literally asking Michelle for their reads on me, seeing them, TR'ing Michelle and then while acknowledging that Mich can read me better, proceeds to not TR me.

I do not get @Rottkins read on Vanya in P#1282 You give a couple of town points, one question mark and then lean him scum?

"AG defending Vanya"? wut.

I does kinda vibe with Rottkins apart from that Vanya thing tho.

Looking at the stuff tho in P#1309

Hidden and JoJo are both on LG.

Two of my SRs are on the voted scum.

BUT

I like my reasons for voting them more.

So fuck you.

AND DRAEKKE?

Am I just playing horribly this game?

I might be wrong on JoJo out of any SRs IMO. Every time I see a Laix post, more parts of me and more parts of me are digging to SR it. I can't find a valid reason so as of yet, I'm not but my head wants to and idk why.

But that gut shit that's going on, if right, probably would mean JoJo is Town cause I don't think I've seen anyone give a slightest SR on Laix apart from JoJo.

At day end now so I want to list my reads. Also seeing DDL was the townie that got lynched is rough but it is what it is.

Lind is my top town. Every time they speak they feel townie. I fuckin love it. Hard TR

Vanya is close up there too for a lot of the same reasons. But more to Vanya is that vs Drakkae, they felt like Town. Their words were townie, their posts were townie. I really liked it. Hard TR

Then is probably Owner. I really liked their response about their JoJo read. Felt genuine af and gets them at hard town lean.

Now it's Flower. Liked him early game and I felt a decent chunk of what he said wouldn't come from scum. Decent TL.

Karma is town as well.

Why?

Cause LG flipped wolf.

Then is Always. I'm taking in context from someone saying that uncooperative AM is town but I do feel that he is just townie. It isn't a lot but it's enough.

For scum we have Draekke/JoJo/Hidden. In that order.

Disliked Draekke early day. Disliked JoJo with Mich, disliked Hidden EoD.

Alright.

That's it. Show's over.

Good job I'm not dead to post this shit cause this took me over a fuckin hour.

What's the story, Balamory?
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JoJo and Hidden are among the people I most townlean rn.

The Lukundo said:
It was this
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THIS is the post that convinces you? So many people here post nonsense like this.
 
JoJo said:
do you think it's worth voting him if he's gonna die tonight?

she mentioned she was role blocked last night, then crushed, and is going to be killed and being diseased sounds like the poison status effect
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If he's the majority, I want everyone to vote him.

This lynchpool mechanic is bad. Not at nitty but it means that if the wagon is pure, its over.

It discourages bussing which is nice and all for solving but it's fucking atrocious for lynch choices.

Like I said, I don't thnk they should be voted today.
 
Draekke said:
You had these three as your early town reads, which was completely opposite my reads. Vanya plays this game in a way I don't understand as town. Alwaysmind has not really done much. And Flower has been sus all game to most people.
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Vanya V. Apparetly to everyone due to 'masonary' (No, I won't stop shading that). Flower still V.

OK I was wrong on AM. But I did say that was light so suck it.

No offence
 
The Lukundo said:
If he's the majority, I want everyone to vote him.

This lynchpool mechanic is bad. Not at nitty but it means that if the wagon is pure, its over.

It discourages bussing which is nice and all for solving but it's fucking atrocious for lynch choices.

Like I said, I don't thnk they should be voted today.
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Which is why there are mechanics like the one that put Flower into the pool I believe, I believe there are probably more abilities like those around. Cant exactly rely on vigs to off scum that refuse to go with the main wagon since redirects/bus drives,etc exist.
 
Alwaysmind said:
AndrewGreve said:
Alwaysmind said:
I have no evidence....yet....but it is my firm belief that while the host says it was randomized, that Ekko's role has an passive ability that made him start in group 2 to avoid us.

If you he can't handle the heat, he shouldn't play the game.

:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon:caticon
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this is actually pretty sick read. I dont remember, were roles given out before or after we were asked about preference on groups?
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It's a joke.

Ekko often says that he gave up trying to read me long ago.

The joke being that he must be happy not to be in the same group as me.
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nevermind it was alwaysmind that said it was a joke
 
The Lukundo said:
If he's the majority, I want everyone to vote him.

This lynchpool mechanic is bad. Not at nitty but it means that if the wagon is pure, its over.

It discourages bussing which is nice and all for solving but it's fucking atrocious for lynch choices.

Like I said, I don't thnk they should be voted today.
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Yeah I pretty much agree with this.
Draekke said:
If it were poison, she wouldn't be dying tonight. Rules of Poison state N3 of being inflicted with it.
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Is diseased the same as poisoned? Usually in games there's a differentiated status ailment from a regular poison and toxic and one is more potent and drains/does damage than the former. If they got diseased instead of poisoned, I'm inclined to believe it's a mechanic that's the same as that and I'm willing to believe them.
 
The Lukundo said:
Explain Hidden.

JoJo, sure.

I blame their D1 for being purposefully weird or summat. idk
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Hidden has been fairly active, has been poking and prodding people.

Going through your different points in your wallpost:

Post 1085 - A low postcount LG isn't a bad shot in the dark, if you have played with him. He's like a great white, you don't see him until he's cleaved you in half. And clearly it worked, kind of strange to bag on a guy for admitting to randomly voting for a scum role.

Post 1994 - Ishmael up to that point had barely said anything, and it's a fairly honest thing to say. If he were mafia, why would he say that outloud in the thread to highlight to people that he's rethinking his own read. I see that as town.

Some other people were pressing Hidden because of swapping his vote from Ishmael to LG, but he stated his case very clearly, and the lynch mechanics support his decision to do so. So the fact that he was on the lynch is a good thing, not a bad thing, as you somehow were angling it.
 
JoJo said:
Yeah I pretty much agree with this.

Is diseased the same as poisoned? Usually in games there's a differentiated status ailment from a regular poison and toxic and one is more potent and drains/does damage than the former. If they got diseased instead of poisoned, I'm inclined to believe it's a mechanic that's the same as that and I'm willing to believe them.
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There is no disease mechanic in the rules, which is why it can't be confirmed when there are so many different status affects and special rules outlined, including Poison.
 
JoJo said:
Yeah I pretty much agree with this.

Is diseased the same as poisoned? Usually in games there's a differentiated status ailment from a regular poison and toxic and one is more potent and drains/does damage than the former. If they got diseased instead of poisoned, I'm inclined to believe it's a mechanic that's the same as that and I'm willing to believe them.
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poison role blocks then role crush then kills all your lives after a couple nights
 
Draekke said:
Post 1085 - A low postcount LG isn't a bad shot in the dark, if you have played with him. He's like a great white, you don't see him until he's cleaved you in half. And clearly it worked, kind of strange to bag on a guy for admitting to randomly voting for a scum role.
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which makes it even more wolfy, no?

It feels like "We could go here, idk" and JUST THE TYPE OF POST you'd claim credit on that "Hey, look. I wanted him dead"

LIKE HE DONE TODAY

srry
 
The Lukundo said:
which makes it even more wolfy, no?

It feels like "We could go here, idk" and JUST THE TYPE OF POST you'd claim credit on that "Hey, look. I wanted him dead"

LIKE HE DONE TODAY

srry
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I don't necessarily disagree that it's possible as a mafia play. I also know that its not an uncommon thing for nonscum to do in this site - to shot in the dark some of the low posting, but known to be good players in case they are waiting in the shadows.

To me that statement is NAI.
 
The Lukundo said:
which makes it even more wolfy, no?

It feels like "We could go here, idk" and JUST THE TYPE OF POST you'd claim credit on that "Hey, look. I wanted him dead"

LIKE HE DONE TODAY

srry
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To me it looks more like you're deciding on something and then trying to prove it right. You've already said as much earlier when you said that you wished you were right about something that we told you you were wrong about. Try not to do this, as you'll start to see things in the view of your assumption. Some kind of bias, I can never remember which ones are which.
 
Draekke said:
To me it looks more like you're deciding on something and then trying to prove it right. You've already said as much earlier when you said that you wished you were right about something that we told you you were wrong about. Try not to do this, as you'll start to see things in the view of your assumption. Some kind of bias, I can never remember which ones are which.
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Hold on, you're the guy that made a preflip read.
 
Draekke said:
To me it looks more like you're deciding on something and then trying to prove it right. You've already said as much earlier when you said that you wished you were right about something that we told you you were wrong about. Try not to do this, as you'll start to see things in the view of your assumption. Some kind of bias, I can never remember which ones are which.
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How was it proving it right when that was when I made the read?

All I had was LG was wolf.

That's all the read was based on.

This is my first read on Hidden too.

Later reasons? Sure. That could be seen as trying to prove a point but this was the first go at it.

Piss off (kindly)
 
The Lukundo said:
How was it proving it right when that was when I made the read?

All I had was LG was wolf.

That's all the read was based on.

This is my first read on Hidden too.

Later reasons? Sure. That could be seen as trying to prove a point but this was the first go at it.

Piss off (kindly)
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Honestly wasn't trying to be rude, was trying to be constructive. I shall kindly piss off.
 
AndrewGreve said:
just to clarify in case you were un-aware:

Mars flipped town and shared a life pool with the other two roman roles.

in the event of a lynch it deducted the portion of life that was mars, rather than killing all 3, but other kills they either all live, or all die together.
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Yeah. I can see there easily being a wolf in there.

Doesn't have to be but I ain't treating it as a masonry
 
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