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Draekke said:
@TheAncientCenturion - What are some reads you've got? I had you as a town lean early D1, but then you disappeared for a while. Keep up with the hunting and prodding
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I'm exhausted from work and other things, I haven't even read this phase besides two non-sequential pages.

I was wrong on Vanya, he's clearly town.
I have a slight negative view on Flowa for her quick claiming yesterday but I know many people have worse views and interactions with her, though I can't comment much on those.

Slight town on Jojo and Andrew for their day1 interactions.

Wanna see more from Shrike and Fujitora (they may have more and I just am horribly behind).
Shizune said:
@Admiral Fujitora
@AndrewGreve
@Draekke
@Flower
@Hidden
@JoJo
@Karma
@Lind
@Mich
@Rottkins
@TheAncientCenturion
@Underworld Broker
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Of the lynches, I think the best here are;

1. Myself
2. Lind
3. Flowa

Shizune said:
@Atlantic Storm
@MangoSenpai
@Vivo Diez
@~Mystic Serenade~
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Hrm...

Whoever the most active of them is, I'd say axe. Depending if it's semi-active but dismal nonetheless. Could be people tryna get by.

I do not know what to make of @Lind being in both games. @Natalija do you have any views on that? Likewise who do you sus the most in your side? I had a handful of names but I cannot remember much of your game phase atm. So lemme know when your phase starts.

I know I didn't immediately sus Usopp.
 
Draekke said:
Do what you want, believe what you'd like, but I am not going to game Shizune's mechanics even if its for town benefit. Sorry man, I prefer to honor the rules as they are stated.
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game the mechanics?

its literally a vote with 4 options. The mechanic to punish people with low activity happens when they make the list. Your plan isnt just anti-town, it is completely missing the point of the vote.

If the point was to kill the lowest or non posters it would just be mod kills, the entire point was that if people were going to not post then at least their death would be part of the game play.

They have ways to handle/punish low posting. Shizune wanted a better way that drove gameplay and advanced the gamestate.

currently trying to decide if you actually have this warpped sense of honor based on bad reading, or you just dont want to have to be blamed for the excecute
 
TheAncientCenturion said:
I'm exhausted from work and other things, I haven't even read this phase besides two non-sequential pages.

I was wrong on Vanya, he's clearly town.
I have a slight negative view on Flowa for her quick claiming yesterday but I know many people have worse views and interactions with her, though I can't comment much on those.

Slight town on Jojo and Andrew for their day1 interactions.

Wanna see more from Shrike and Fujitora (they may have more and I just am horribly behind).

Of the lynches, I think the best here are;

1. Myself
2. Lind
3. Flowa


Hrm...

Whoever the most active of them is, I'd say axe. Depending if it's semi-active but dismal nonetheless. Could be people tryna get by.

I do not know what to make of @Lind being in both games. @Natalija do you have any views on that? Likewise who do you sus the most in your side? I had a handful of names but I cannot remember much of your game phase atm. So lemme know when your phase starts.

I know I didn't immediately sus Usopp.
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What makes you think Lind is a top 2 choice (because I'm ignoring yourself when asking about your voting preference)? Most people believe that it wouldn't be a mafia role that straddles both games when it appears to be clear that the two mafia fight off against each other when the games merge.
 
Draekke said:
But just as easily as you choose to ignore something that both mafia and town do, I choose to follow those leads because... it could be mafia or town. Therefore press them to figure it out, and move on from there.
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this is so far from my original request, which you can certainly ignore.

I liked it better when you were solving and not bitching.

ironic as my past 10 posts have been with that statement
 
Draekke said:
What makes you think Lind is a top 2 choice (because I'm ignoring yourself when asking about your voting preference)? Most people believe that it wouldn't be a mafia role that straddles both games when it appears to be clear that the two mafia fight off against each other when the games merge.
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I think @Ratchet implied that Lind could be sth like a Consigliere role from Aries games which can merge the two scum teams at some point. I find this take interesting.
 
Draekke said:
What makes you think Lind is a top 2 choice (because I'm ignoring yourself when asking about your voting preference)? Most people believe that it wouldn't be a mafia role that straddles both games when it appears to be clear that the two mafia fight off against each other when the games merge.
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It's a very odd decision to make and I wanna know what happens if he gets lynched in one game, is he gone from both?

The idea is so unique and immediately makes me unsure of him.
 
AndrewGreve said:
game the mechanics?

its literally a vote with 4 options. The mechanic to punish people with low activity happens when they make the list. Your plan isnt just anti-town, it is completely missing the point of the vote.

If the point was to kill the lowest or non posters it would just be mod kills, the entire point was that if people were going to not post then at least their death would be part of the game play.

They have ways to handle/punish low posting. Shizune wanted a better way that drove gameplay and advanced the gamestate.

currently trying to decide if you actually have this warpped sense of honor based on bad reading, or you just dont want to have to be blamed for the excecute
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Yes, people who don't post. Atlantic Storm has not posted. He is the clear target based on Shizune's rules. I'm sorry you disagree, and I'm not going to blame you for it, but this is how I will play the game. My interpretation of the rules is to vote the player who is MOST not playing. I don't care if you think it's warped or not, but GFY thank you. I'm literally saying you can think less of me if you want, so back off a bit about it. Clearly I'm not the only person in this thread that doesn't necessarily agree with your viewpoints.
Flower said:
I think @Ratchet implied that Lind could be sth like a Consigliere role from Aries games which can merge the two scum teams at some point. I find this take interesting.
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Fair, but that's a stretch in my opinion. Lind has been fairly open about their role in Game 2, I tend to believe them.
 
TheAncientCenturion said:
It's a very odd decision to make and I wanna know what happens if he gets lynched in one game, is he gone from both?

The idea is so unique and immediately makes me unsure of him.
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Lind said in Game 2 that if he were to be lynched in one game, he would still be alive in the other. And we wouldn't see his role upon being lynched until lynched in both.
 
TheAncientCenturion said:
It's a very odd decision to make and I wanna know what happens if he gets lynched in one game, is he gone from both?

The idea is so unique and immediately makes me unsure of him.
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Also the fact he can't answer the question about what happens if he were to get killed or lynched in one game for sure. Usually the host could just answer you that and I expect Town Lind to clarify this asap.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
I highly doubt the host would make a person who can so easily raise eyebrows ( being in botch games at once) a consig or something, much less mafia in my book.
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Same can be said about him being Town. We have a Mason Trio here. You think Lind would become confirmed non Mafia just like that in addition to that?
 
Natalija said:
Why are you asking me :blobfacade

I do not think Lind is town based on how he's playing, which just gets amped up by him being present in both games. He can't be mafia probably, but maybe a strong indie?

Did you read our game? We have Didi, Hero, Juan, Lind, Ratchet, Melkor, SK and Xadlin up for lynch. Tbh fine with most of these getting axed
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I townread Ratchet and Melkor. It would be really dumb to lynch them, IDK about Juan. He seemed funny.

I read a lot of it, well skimmed. I didn't think very hard on group 2 stuff.

Is Group 2 still going on btw? You didn't have a lynch yet?
 
MangoSenpai said:
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I think it's more likely than not that scums want to avoid being in the exe pool and lynch pool at all cost. At least to the extent it's possible without being a dead giveaway.

But execution is based off of activity only, so I really do think it's much more likely that the inactives are town. However, that's not to say there can't be scum in there, just less likely.
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I think if scum are smart, they position themselves in the vote lynch pool because there's an inherent towniness to putting yourself there. I don't even think hard on the execution pool lol.

So I fully agree with you, scum wanna be active and avoid that.
 
Draekke said:
@Alwaysmind

What are your thoughts today? You've not said much, and were more active in D1 early. How do you feel about myself, Laix, Flower?
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I'll catch up. I was not well today.
 
Draekke said:
I'd like to clarify that I don't believe Lind 100% not mafia. Just least likely in my opinion.
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So you'd prefer Flower over Lind atm?

@Lind what can you tell us about group 2? You're heavily invested in this game so I expect crackfire reads.
Natalija said:
Neither of them really did anything for a town read. Oh yeah, Juan is a top comedian usually :jerrykek

We lynched Plat and he flipped town er an Arcane LoL villain character.

Now I'm nightposting, stuck here with Susopp
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I really was hoping @Platinum would make it for the merger and I could kill him in that.

Okay, I town read both of you two. What are you and Usopp up to, game solving wise?
 
Flower said:
Get some more votes on him. I need to sleep. But I wanna hear more from him by the time I wake up.
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[Vote Lynch Lind] - looking forward to your insights.

TheAncientCenturion said:
So you'd prefer Flower over Lind atm?

@Lind what can you tell us about group 2? You're heavily invested in this game so I expect crackfire reads.

I really was hoping @Platinum would make it for the merger and I could kill him in that.

Okay, I town read both of you two. What are you and Usopp up to, game solving wise?
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Yes, in my mind it's more likely currently that Flower is mafia than Lind.
 
Flower said:
It's technically 35 players. So yes, I have my doubts there.
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He plays both games so the entire game counts. Also I distinctly said he was likely not town. Nothing about confirmed town but you jumped straight to that lol.
TheAncientCenturion said:
Why are you literally wearing an avi of Brutus? Is this some epic gamer foreshadowing?
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Vanya needs a Brutus :lugia
 
Draekke said:
If you read the rules, then it is a pointless and redundant thing to say. Also it had been mentioned several times already in the thread. Regardless you saying you haven't read the rules, I'm going to hold you to the same reasoning as I hold others.

I appreciate that you are hunting hard, but a lot of our reads are the opposite. I believe you're town atm, but I'm trying to figure out how we can be seeing this game so differently. But again, it's been years since I've been on here, so new eyes might be seeing stuff, if you're familiar with others. Something to think about.
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I know Michelle OK-ish. I know AG barely. I know Ekko barely.

I ain't checked for any others.
 
JoJo said:
No. I said in my experience with her, this is her scum meta. However, just like with me, it's been awhile since I hardcore played mafia and was super invested in it. My play in this game and the previous one is way less meme-y and spammy and I'm not the top poster when I usually am. It's because I have other things that interest me and things change over time. If I'm gonna extend myself a pass and a logical reason on why I can change, it's going to be applicable to other players in the same circumstances.

That being said, it's up to me to actually talk to her about and determine how she's allocating her time and how she feels about the game. If the reasons are equally as bad as her coasting, her random vote throwing, her appearances with her fluff, etc. then I'm gonna be pretty confident in this meta read and it's gonna align with her character.

I guess there's also a level of unsure when it comes to people who are coasting and who appear to be scum without clear indicators. I'm just another townie with no real information this game other than on vanya/DDL and the scum role. Gun to my head, I'll say she's scum. But with no gun I can be a bit more flexible.
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Aight. Cheers, JoJo. This makes a lot more sense
 
JoJo said:
legend is probably one of the coasting scum. puts on a vote to look like he's doing something and then recedes into the background

also

@Shrike when you get a chance to read the dayphase, thoughts?
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I haven't caught up but read up to this post.

Lynch Flower, hr bs is reaching peak levels. This isn't the first time she spilled such crap delaying getting lynched, not nearly. Then goes around trying to push for someone else for voting ddl yesterday lmao come the fuck on i don't want to waste time on discussing her tbh.

Lynch laix tomorrow if he follows through with his flower vote. An obvious contrarian who tries to spin logic around for nothing, i guess hoping that flower lives another day, no idea why. Waste of time.

Traveling Swordsman is throwing some dumb tunneling that helps nobody. Waste of time.

Vanya is sadly a townie, I'd kill him for edgy bs that literally alienated town first. Then he moans about how everyone should have trusted him on ddl tmi. Delusional and wasted more of our time.

Others are town or scum leans but i don't want to talk about them yet, i wanna catch up first.
 
The Lukundo said:
OK. I also think Vanya is Town.

Why does Town!Vanya putting Flower into the list make Flower wolf?
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He has a 3 person mason with Hades, Mars, and another guy. I figure between the three of them (now two) there's at least some kind of variety based on their roles. Doubtful they all do the same thing or fulfill the same role and if Mars is kill oriented, i imagine one of them other two have something that can get information. A bit of a tin foil, but makes mechanical sense.

I also have my own reasons for sussing flower as well and another soft confirmed townie creates a feedback loop of confidence. I also town read him and, for me at least, this is a pretty good starting point for game solving.
 
JoJo said:
He has a 3 person mason with Hades, Mars, and another guy. I figure between the three of them (now two) there's at least some kind of variety based on their roles. Doubtful they all do the same thing or fulfill the same role and if Mars is kill oriented, i imagine one of them other two have something that can get information. A bit of a tin foil, but makes mechanical sense.

I also have my own reasons for sussing flower as well and another soft confirmed townie creates a feedback loop of confidence. I also town read him and, for me at least, this is a pretty good starting point for game solving.
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The confidence of a soft confirmed townie sussing the same person makes him scum?

I'm assuming that;s what you're saying?
 
TheAncientCenturion said:
He's in both games, haven't really felt his presence in this one and I find his existence highly suspicious. confirmed townie Natalija says Lind is highly sussed in Group 2 as well.
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1. Why is Nat confirmed Townie?
2. I agree with his presence lacking a damn site HOWEVER I did find him townie when specifically looking out for him.

If you can be fucked, won't hold it against you if you ain't, try reading his EoD1 in G1. I really liked it
 
Shrike said:
I haven't caught up but read up to this post.

Lynch Flower, hr bs is reaching peak levels. This isn't the first time she spilled such crap delaying getting lynched, not nearly. Then goes around trying to push for someone else for voting ddl yesterday lmao come the fuck on i don't want to waste time on discussing her tbh.

Lynch laix tomorrow if he follows through with his flower vote. An obvious contrarian who tries to spin logic around for nothing, i guess hoping that flower lives another day, no idea why. Waste of time.

Traveling Swordsman is throwing some dumb tunneling that helps nobody. Waste of time.

Vanya is sadly a townie, I'd kill him for edgy bs that literally alienated town first. Then he moans about how everyone should have trusted him on ddl tmi. Delusional and wasted more of our time.

Others are town or scum leans but i don't want to talk about them yet, i wanna catch up first.
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have u played with flower? also i agree that she feels like a waste of time and extra time spent on her is a waste

ill iso travelling swordsman when im not lazy

The Lukundo said:
The confidence of a soft confirmed townie sussing the same person makes him scum?

I'm assuming that;s what you're saying?
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pretty much. i trust he's genuine and his read aligned with mine, especially day1. his gut feeling seems good.
 
The Lukundo said:
1. Why is Nat confirmed Townie?
2. I agree with his presence lacking a damn site HOWEVER I did find him townie when specifically looking out for him.

If you can be fucked, won't hold it against you if you ain't, try reading his EoD1 in G1. I really liked it
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Someone lie detected her in group 2.

And I'll look at his EoD stuff either late tonight or early tomorrow, doesn't hurt but I don't think I'll be trusting him for awhile.
 
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