Game Members Mafia 4 (indies win!)

[SinRaven]

@Flower I don't know what to tell you about the reads, fam. I'm afraid of the inactive players, but that is just blind guessing and I hate doing it.

I'm pretty sure one or two top posters is one type of scum or the other, always is.

Willing to give you and RemChu a town pass. Sin looks better than at the start, but not good enough to vote someone else.

Kira Yagami, Melodie, Kvothe, is a and DDL I wanna see more of, but some of them is surely scum.

Look at all these empty statements. Seems like she's just naming random people imo.

Also note at this point she voted me yet never stated why. Some people already named me for 'coasting' at that point but Nat never stated anything about it, she just conventiontly left her vote on me and never discussed it. She changed to Ratchry later but that seems random, considering John Wayne and Badalight were already under the spotlight at the time. She never commented on either of them except for one statement on John Wayne early in the game saying "he's always suspicious to her". Find it weird she then conveniently ignores his lynch.

Most of her other talk is fluff/talk about the Natalija role.

 

[SinRaven]

Is she a newbie, seems like she been also defending wad a bit

She started a few months back iirc

 

[SinRaven]

Btw my iso of her was very rushed, couldn't wait for my lunch break so did it during worktime lol

If anyone else would like to look at her posts please do.

 

[SinRaven]

Find it weird she then conveniently ignores his lynch.

Actually

I'm 20 pages behind, but apparently John Wayne claimed survivor not to get lynched.

That's what I said as well. You're supposed to claim that right away.

She did mention his survivor claim and even an argument for how it's suspicious but still keeps her vote on Ratchet...

Hmmm .....

 

[SinRaven]

Why Natalija, I have town lean on her?

Why? I feel like you're the only one thinking this lol

 

[Nessos]

Yes
So you are being inactive and omgusing ?

I have to start somewhere or not?
And since I have not enough time to iso player, I start with good old OMGUS.

Since when is OMGUS alignment indicative?


And yeah there is different between Kvothes sus of me and the posts of Kouga and is a.

Kouga pointed out inconsistency among my low active post and is a pointed out that Most of my posts apologies of not being active.
But Kvothes arguement was "meta". That sounds for me like "Oh shit I have to give reads, inactive Nessos is a good target".

Also @Karma based on what was your early vote on me this phase? Was it cause someone out of my group died?

 

[Underworld Broker]

She started a few months back iirc

Some of Nats posts directed at Remchu were weird, but uuh quick skimming her posts and reads more null

Whats her scum meta like and difference to town self?

 

[Iwandesu]

Ooooh interesting kira yagami voted for john wayne

while
Scumdesu did not


Mister @Scumdesu what is going on

????
John Wayne was not mafia bro he was the cultist

 

[Iwandesu]

I didn't vote for him because I read him as townish/indie so I didn't bother (not like it mattered)

 

[Lord Melkor]

Look at all these empty statements. Seems like she's just naming random people imo.

Also note at this point she voted me yet never stated why. Some people already named me for 'coasting' at that point but Nat never stated anything about it, she just conventiontly left her vote on me and never discussed it. She changed to Ratchry later but that seems random, considering John Wayne and Badalight were already under the spotlight at the time. She never commented on either of them except for one statement on John Wayne early in the game saying "he's always suspicious to her". Find it weird she then conveniently ignores his lynch.

Most of her other talk is fluff/talk about the Natalija role.

Hm, actually good point, Natalija liked and agreed with several of my posts, but this could be her tactic....

I forgot I also sus Mr Juan "always fluffing" on whom Hayumi said an interesting thing that his fluffing is not alignment indicative but he is scum...@Hayumi, I asked you to elaborate on this but you did not respond or did I miss it?

And Santi likes to powerwolf when he is scum.

 

[SinRaven]

Some of Nats posts directed at Remchu were weird, but uuh quick skimming her posts and reads more null

Whats her scum meta like and difference to town self?

I dont think she really has an established meta? Idk, I at least dont read her scum for meta reasons.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Also I do not like @Scumdesu (i forgot he change his name) going for Nessos who apparently has issues with time.... feels like he could be going for law hanging fruit, doesn't he?

 

[Nessos]

Also I do not like @Scumdesu (i forgot he change his name) going for Nessos who apparently has issues with time.... feels like he could be going for law hanging fruit, doesn't he?

Someone looking for a friend

 

[Iwandesu]

maybe iwandesu maybe kira yagami

Kira, melodie, Lord genome and myself were all among laix suspects.
Laix always suspects me tho
Among the remaining my order of suspicion is
>Genome
>Melodie
> Kira

Genome just hasn't done anything to make anyone aside from melodie think he is town
It doesn't help that melodie is buddying him hard and saying things like "I doubt his role could be scum"
Anyway Nessos is still viable given he could have killed her and any scum worth their salt would likely target laix (she was the most active player and town read by everyone)

 

[Iwandesu]

Also I do not like @Scumdesu (i forgot he change his name) going for Nessos who apparently has issues with time.... feels like he could be going for law hanging fruit, doesn't he?

I'm going for Nessos because this .....
Nvm
I'm going for Nessos because he literally did shit the entire day 1 and hasn't really improved on anything besides omgusing today
Im noticing this buddying tho

 

[Iwandesu]

Why Karma? Do you think he was bold enough to fake this "I used ability on Laix and was told he was death" thing?

I hadn't saw the karma post at that time tbh

 

[Iwandesu]

Oh right
Natalya and hayumi could be viables too

 

[Cooler]

Rolling for now. On conference calls a lot today, will try and get on between them.

 

[Iwandesu]

Hayumi actually did something at least I guess

 

[Worm Juice]

So basically everyone

 

[Cooler]

 

[Iwandesu]

Since when is OMGUS alignment indicative

It is town detrimental in the best situations so..

 

[Badalight]

I agree on the Iwan suspicions. Personally, I'm thinking Hayumi. I outlined my reasoning yesterday, but I feel even better about it now. I thought it was really weird how he casually deflected the Juan stuff (who I was sussing at the time) by using a meta argument rather than actually analyzing his posts. Then when more people started talking about Juan, he says he has a scum lean on him. He was also one of the latter people to vote for me. When pressured, they completely deflected. Hayu and Iwan had a decent back and forth early on so I imagine they are probably not both scum.

So for now

[Vote Lynch Hayumi]

 

[Iwandesu]

So basically everyone

Basically everyone who is a suspect
There are 30 players alive and I'm saying I could Lynch around 5 (?)
Hardly everyone

 

[Iwandesu]

I mean you guys can suspect me all you want
It is just logical thinking that I'm among the suspects
I'm just pointing out the better targets : distracted

 

[Badalight]

For the record (since I can't edit), I meant I agree that Iwan is suspicious, not that I agree with his reads.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

let's roll

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

Ooooh interesting kira yagami voted for john wayne

while
Scumdesu did not


Mister @Scumdesu what is going on

do they follow each other in votes often?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I feel like half the people are getting blocked by these fucking dice

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@is a why have you been so inactive day one and only got active since melodie put attention on you and like 3 other ppl

I have literally at no point in the game been inactive

 

[Lord Melkor]

Oh right
Natalya and hayumi could be viables too

Wait, you voted Karma without seeing his post about knowing Laix is dead? Why you voted for Karma then?

 

[Lord Melkor]

I agree on the Iwan suspicions. Personally, I'm thinking Hayumi. I outlined my reasoning yesterday, but I feel even better about it now. I thought it was really weird how he casually deflected the Juan stuff (who I was sussing at the time) by using a meta argument rather than actually analyzing his posts. Then when more people started talking about Juan, he says he has a scum lean on him. He was also one of the latter people to vote for me. When pressured, they completely deflected. Hayu and Iwan had a decent back and forth early on so I imagine they are probably not both scum.

So for now

[Vote Lynch Hayumi]

You and Hayumi are propably also not scum togethet, unless you are bold enough to buss.. I was considering my vote mostly between you and Hayumi by the way.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

[QUOTE="is a, post: 62115787, member: 167259"

[Change Vote Lynch scumdesu]

People who use ‘meh’ might as well just raise banners saying “aw man I want to feign being disheartened but idk what to say”

Literally no town uses that word[/QUOTE]

This looks similar to my interesting tell [vote lynch scumdesu]

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

How the fuck did you realize it so fast?

I guess checking the opening posts are helpful or maybe laix was around but not thread wise

 

[Worm Juice]

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

Laix is seemingly dead and it wasn't in the writeup, but Karma said they got confirmation that they were dead and checked the op. Another town died followed by a comment that a townie had become guilty. Prob means vig messed up. Much more likely that Laix was the one killed by mafia (unless the vig hides the body if they make a mistake or something).

Going from my role last game (Perpetua), I was indeed a town vig that janitored, but Laix being Laix, I feel that it is more likely a mafia kill.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

You know what
I found my first day 2 lead
[Vote Lynch Karma]

I feel better about them for calling that Laix is no longer with us.

 

[Worm Juice]

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

100% these aftershow questions were just made by Nitty for drama and you can't tell me otherwise. I dont see why mafia would push for silly out-of-game questions and I dont think Nitty will unfairly choose only questions sent in by mafia, youre pushing some weird shit here imo WPK.

I feel like no one was expecting the questions to be tagged.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

idk, where I've played elsewhere, I know I wasn't allowed.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

I have railed against people withholding voting for years, it drives me crazy. Majority of the time I vote in my first post of the phase.

yeah, the last minute votes are kind of annoying when that is their thing to do cfds.

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

 

[Nessos]

It is town detrimental in the best situations so..

Its not always town detrimental.
Even so there is slight OMGUS in it I think my point against Kvothe is valid, isn't it?

I also don't agree with Lord Melkor I don't see you focusing hard on me, but I habe to this is hypocrit

I'm going for Nessos because he literally did shit the entire day 1 and hasn't really improved on anything besides omgusing today

Like you have never been busy in your life. Sure I could have sub out cause I knew I can't be as active as usual in the beginning, but @Pool Party Nitty and I have a past if it comes to subbing out of a game xD.

Also what do you expect? That I manage to iso every single player within a hour? As I mentioned I have to start somewhere and I have literally explained why I started with the OMGUS-route.

I mean you guys can suspect me all you want
It is just logical thinking that I'm among the suspects
I'm just pointing out the better targets : distracted

Thats a post I don't like?
In which was I am a good lynchtarget? I was quite inactive, I don't give any Info.
Even if I would flip scum (what I won't do), you wouldn't get any valid info. Distancing from a busy player ain't hard.
A smart Towny would suggest "shoot Nessos, if he doesn't change." and noone could blame the vig for missfiring. But lynching me is a waste.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast messages:

Good morning, everyone!

What a night.

I:d like Badabing Badaboom to prove himself to me this DP.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

@Badalight can you explain why you go with Hayumi when you suspect Iwan and he also suspects Hayumi? Doesn't really add up. Also, sorry for tunneling you, but I can't ignore that the lynch was derailed from you and directed at JW who was scum, but not Mafia which raises some flags.

 

[SinRaven]

Yay I'm free!

[Vote Lynch Natalija]

 

[Owner Of A Lonely Heart]

Yay I'm free!

[Vote Lynch Natalija]

how were you not free before?

 

[Lord Melkor]

Yes, I think that Iwan, Bada and Hayumi are all decent lynch candidates.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

Stop pushing people for being busy irl. Sure, he could be scum, but that reasoning is just weak.

 

[SinRaven]

how were you not free before?

I have a voting restriction, can only vote for whoever the dicegods decide on, except if the dice land on a dead player, then I'm free to vote whoever.

Could roll 3 dice this phase, one of them landed on number 1 which was Laix who died (tho the numbers got fucked in the OP, so I needed confirmation from Nitty first, Laix was number 1 in the signup thread).

 

[SinRaven]

Yes, I think that Iwan, Bada and Hayumi are all decent lynch candidates.

Bada still?

Also what do you think of Kvothe, Go D. Usopp and Hero?

 

[Natalija]

Oh right
Yeah @Natalija you are like 70% on scum meta so...whats up

I’m on vacation can’t be as active

But don’t waste time on me, I’m town. I made the groups yesterday

 

[SinRaven]

I’m on vacation can’t be as active

But don’t waste time on me, I’m town. I made the groups yesterday

Hm... why reveal this?

 

[Natalija]

I haven’t read anything, but I hope the groups helped some

 

[Natalija]

Hm... why reveal this?

Because I see people are wasting their time on me and I don’t have time to read or scum hunt right now

 

[SinRaven]

Your timing is curious and your behavior yesterday is still noteworthy, but I cant see why you'd reveal this as scum hm ..

[Change Vote Lynch Hayumi]

 

[Natalija]

Wait, Sigi died?? I didn’t even know he was playing, is he replacing someone? Which group was this?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Broadcast message:

@Flower if this is in regards to Nessos, it's not just that they're inactive, but how they've chosen to use what posts they have made such as talking about the aftershow in a way that contributes nothing. Their excuses posts while being inactive follow scum patterns.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

[Change Vote Lynch Hayumi]

 

[Shizune]

Incoming action...​

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

I don't like the Hayumi lynch to be frank. I would like to discern Bada's alignment this DP for analyzing the lynch wagons. If he flips Mafia, then there are defo Mafia amongst those that derailed his wagon.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

@WPK okay, I can get behind that line of reasoning. But if the whole reason was just inactivity, then I wouldn't consider it a scum tell since everyone is busy sometimes.

 

[Shizune]

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[WolfPrinceKiba]

May I never have to post in the Alley again...

 

[SinRaven]

The fuck am I posting in the alley for

 

[Karma]

I totally believe he doing this kind of shit to buy himself credit without realizing it was way too early

Ur actually braindead if u think I'm that bad at mafia.

Pretty suspicious but they did kind of lead up to it with asking Laix if they could rate posts. Scum would usually want to keep the Laix death an unknown factor, sprinkle in some "Why is Laix inactive?" to try to make it seem like they didn't know. Karma is more suspicious for having an action that requires the host to inform them that their target is dead then anything else, because most abilities wouldn't require that even investigations which should still return a result. So it would need to be something longer term/require Laix to be alive. I can think of town abilities that it could be, but majority of the possibilities lean scum.

Now Nitty does have some out of the ordinary means of processing things which impact this. @Pool Party Nitty can we get an order of priority for actions please? Need to know if kills happen before other actions like investigations, and if so would that cause the investigation to fail due to the player then being dead?

I give people gifts. Since Laix was dead he couldn't receive it.

I have to start somewhere or not?
And since I have not enough time to iso player, I start with good old OMGUS.

Since when is OMGUS alignment indicative?


And yeah there is different between Kvothes sus of me and the posts of Kouga and is a.

Kouga pointed out inconsistency among my low active post and is a pointed out that Most of my posts apologies of not being active.
But Kvothes arguement was "meta". That sounds for me like "Oh shit I have to give reads, inactive Nessos is a good target".

Also @Karma based on what was your early vote on me this phase? Was it cause someone out of my group died?

All ur posts r about how u have no time for the game. Even now ur writing paragraphs about how u have no time instead of reading the game and giving actual reads.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

Please tell me this is part of the game because else I posted in the Alley for NO reason .

 

[Iwandesu]

For the record (since I can't edit), I meant I agree that Iwan is suspicious, not that I agree with his reads.

And do you think about my reads banda kyun

 

[Iwandesu]

Wait, you voted Karma without seeing his post about knowing Laix is dead? Why you voted for Karma then?

No lol
I voted karma without seeing his post about he knowing laix was dead through a failed invest

 

[Iwandesu]

i obviously saw and even quoted the post where he says laix is dead

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

I think Karma is Town now. WPK also seems Town.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

I don't think Iwan is scum either, feels like Town is arguing mostly among each other because some people are visibly taking a backseat.

 

[Underworld Broker]

I have literally at no point in the game been inactive

Okey then i think I barely remember your posts, might have to iso

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

I feel like it's odd that nobody in the first group was killed. Which makes me think there are quite a lot of scums in this group and they didn't want to jeopardize themselves. Sigis looks like a Vig kill, scums have no reason to kill somebody who has just subbed into the game.

So we know there is defo scum amongst those players:

Iwandesu
Juan
Karma
Kira Yagami
Legend
Lord Genome
Lord Melkor
Melodie
Nessos


I would like everyone to make a list from scummiest to Towniest of these players.

 

[Shizune]

I have railed against people withholding voting for years, it drives me crazy. Majority of the time I vote in my first post of the phase.

Your first post of the phase is also usually in the last 2 hours of the phase so I don’t see your point

 

[Nessos]

All ur posts r about how u have no time for the game. Even now ur writing paragraphs about how u have no time instead of reading the game and giving actual reads.

I actually pointed out in my post why I think that the scummiest of all people jumping on me is Kvothe and why? Isn't that the same thing as giving reads?

I tagged you cause of the speed you jumped the gun on me. Before I started to post this Day while you didn't voice any suspicion against me last DP. It somehow have me the feeling you part of a scumteam Killing one of my group to back up a misslynch against me.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Your first post of the phase is also usually in the last 2 hours of the phase so I don’t see your point

You try to do better in your current game and people just can't let go of the past

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

Btw...did Darth Nordic sub into the game or was he always a player? His lack of an avy makes him hard to detect .

 

[Underworld Broker]

I’m on vacation can’t be as active

But don’t waste time on me, I’m town. I made the groups yesterday

I was kinda expecting nfc to be the one who did the groups thing judging by certain things (still think he scum tho)

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Broadcast message:

Who?