Game Members Mafia 4 (indies win!)

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

doesnt rly answer the question but sure

hes hinting that he knows what laix is. like possibly through an ability

 

[SinRaven]

if im not wrong so many people are still voting Nessos and LG right??

Are we still OK with that because I aint if I'm really honest? That mess mechanic wise I'd rather save for later when we have more information. Why not lynch the more objectively scummy people?

 

[Natalija]

Why would I lynch the Vig?

I activated that one-shot, so whoever votes with me on a wagon gets +1 voting power.

Do you really believe he's a vig?

 

[Ekkologix]

Why would I lynch the Vig?

I activated that one-shot, so whoever votes with me on a wagon gets +1 voting power.

LG, Hero, Ratchet are my reads rn

im down to vote for any of them.

 

[Badalight]

if im not wrong so many people are still voting Nessos and LG right??

Are we still OK with that because I aint if I'm really honest? That mess mechanic wise I'd rather save for later when we have more information. Why not lynch the more objectively scummy people?

Who do you consider more scummy?

Are you just afraid of the information that would come up from a lg/nessos lynch?

 

[Hero]

doesnt rly answer the question but sure

Because I didn’t.

But I just find it convenient that he claimed a night time vigilante ability like Laix had. This compounded with his other behavior makes me believe he’s not town.

 

[Ekkologix]

im down to w8 and see what LG sees from his tracker at night, so can delay voting for him now.

he could obviously lie about it tho lol

 

[SinRaven]

Who do you consider more scummy?

Are you just afraid of the information that would come up from a lg/nessos lynch?

No I'm afraid of them being townies. I consider Ratchet, Santi, Juan and Cooler all way better options since I actually scumread them.

Like I've said before, I feel like Nessos and LG are genuine with all the information they've revealed. Especially Nessos, despite him disappearing again after all he revealed, because his info on me was correct.

 

[Underworld Broker]

scum iwandesu was like over the top regarding host shit and tends to act like "OMG GUYS WHAT NOW" and "omg don't tell me this is what happened....", which is what i've felt from his posts tbh

i have a hard time reading ratchet normally but i don't think he'd be as passive as he's been this phase nor would he not share thoughts and explanations on why he votes X or Y, which he hasn't done here, so...

Hero gave me good vibes early on with the outrage at ppl that he had, and wpk has been.... eeesh-ish to me.

bonus:

Spoiler:

i wouldn't doubt it tbh

post sounds good, also i guess you're saying you think Ratchet is scum? I havent played with him in a while and am only used to him writing essays at least once every day.

How long have you been playing mafia btw?

 

[Ekkologix]

Aragorn, Nesson, Karma, Worm, Alwaysmind

one of these might die tonight

 

[Underworld Broker]

Aragorn, Nesson, Karma, Worm, Alwaysmind

one of these might die tonight

alwaysmind isnt playing i think?

 

[Hayumi]

you're gonna feel reeeeeal bad when i get lynched and i'm still around next phase to flirt with hayumi while you've only got your hand to comfort you

 

[Juan]

post sounds good, also i guess you're saying you think Ratchet is scum? I havent played with him in a while and am only used to him writing essays at least once every day.

How long have you been playing mafia btw?

ratchet is not giving me his town vibes, no.

and, uh... somewhere around 4 years, i think?

 

[Flower]

Do you really believe he's a vig?

Yes.

 

[Natalija]

Yes.

Then do Ratchet, I think most of us agree on this.

 

[Underworld Broker]

If santi isnt a vig then who did the 3rd kill tonight tho

 

[Flower]

[Vote lynch Ratchet]

Not gonna waste that one-shot now.

 

[Ekkologix]

alwaysmind isnt playing i think?

figured lol

then replace him with nfc

 

[Badalight]

If santi isnt a vig then who did the 3rd kill tonight tho

Presumably

1 mafia
1 town vig (player became guilty)
1 SK (or the same vig from the night before)

 

[Flower]

Better question: Then who tf killed Sigis?

 

[Natalija]

If santi isnt a vig then who did the 3rd kill tonight tho

Why would we want a vig reveal anyway? That shit should stay hidden.

No way that a few town roles don't have kills.

 

[Ekkologix]

i think its highly safe to assume that we have more than 1 vig

AND/OR

there is a presence of a killer hostile indie

 

[Flower]

If Santi ain't the Vig, ain't Ratchet the only player who could have killed Sigis, then?

 

[Hero]

Why would we want a vig reveal anyway? That shit should stay hidden.

No way that a few town roles don't have kills.

Right. Santi might be washed up, but he’s played mafia long enough to know that much. Honestly he knew he was facing scrutiny and took a way out with Laix’s janitored death. No one is going to dispute a vig claim. And who tf claims vig?

 

[nfcnorth]

what did you use for night 1?

Honestly I messed that up by not deciding in time. I feel real bad about it too. That being said though kind of thought there would be more in general.

 

[Ekkologix]

If Santi ain't the Vig, ain't Ratchet the only player who could have killed Sigis, then?

when did ratchet claim vig?

is this by any means an attempt to save her from getting lynched?

 

[Flower]

Honestly I messed that up by not deciding in time. I feel real bad about it too. That being said though kind of thought there would be more in general.

You didn't target anyone N1, then?

 

[Badalight]

I'd actually wager Santi is SK then, or he lied about not having used his kill yet. 3 vigs would be a bit much. We know town has 2 vigs because two players became guilty presumably from killing. He could just be guilty town, but I don't know if that actually means anything.

 

[Underworld Broker]

If Santi ain't the Vig, ain't Ratchet the only player who could have killed Sigis, then?

iirc remchu claimed he blocked him?

(tho being immune to roleblocks is a thing in those games)

 

[Flower]

I'd actually wager Santi is SK then, or he lied about not having used his kill yet. 3 vigs would be a bit much. We know town has 2 vigs because two players became guilty presumably from killing. He could just be guilty town, but I don't know if that actually means anything.

I'd say two peeps just got Culted.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Child please.

This is absolutely right. Exactly what I'm going to do without reading most of it



I was just about to say this. Roles aren't as simple as "vig". And I'd gladly punish anyone who claimed that anyway.

[vote lynch Santi]

[vote lynch 2 Ratchet] (is this how?)

Yes but Ratchet is in the 1 wagon.

 

[Hero]

And like I said, I know for a fact that Laix (player) had a killing ability and it matched the one/mechanics of the kill Santi is claiming

 

[Badalight]

I'd say two peeps just got Culted.

Dubious that there'd be 2 cults, but I guess anything is possible. It is weird that we went from 2 kills to 3.

 

[Ekkologix]

aight then flower make sure u put ur vote buff on ratchet's wagon

if ratchet isnt lynch u could get into trouble

[vote lynch 1 ratchet]

 

[Flower]

when did ratchet claim vig?

is this by any means an attempt to save her from getting lynched?

Why would I save him? I'm literally voting him with my vote booster one-shot activated.

 

[nfcnorth]

You didn't target anyone N1, then?

No as I said they are two separate abilties. I just couldn't decide for that one specific ability

 

[Ekkologix]

going off to eat now pce m9s

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I'd actually wager Santi is SK then, or he lied about not having used his kill yet. 3 vigs would be a bit much. We know town has 2 vigs because two players became guilty presumably from killing. He could just be guilty town, but I don't know if that actually means anything.

he said he didn't kill anyone

 

[nfcnorth]

No as I said they are two separate abilties. I just couldn't decide for that one specific ability

I worded that poorly. I meant I targeted broker but the other ability I didn't use

 

[Flower]

No as I said they are two separate abilties. I just couldn't decide for that one specific ability

So the WU and Scouter thing, right?

 

[nfcnorth]

So the WU and Scouter thing, right?

and my passive and thats all I got

 

[Natalija]

he said he didn't kill anyone

A vig who didn't kill anyone and claimed?

Yeah, he's gotta go

 

[Underworld Broker]

I'd actually wager Santi is SK then, or he lied about not having used his kill yet. 3 vigs would be a bit much. We know town has 2 vigs because two players became guilty presumably from killing. He could just be guilty town, but I don't know if that actually means anything.

hmm so your guess is they arent being culted but rather its cause they killed a townie and became guilty?

 

[Flower]

and my passive and thats all I got

Why would you target a WU N1, though, when there were no WUs yet ?

 

[Cooler]

I still think LG is lying but I'm happy to lynch Ratchet too.

[Change Vote lynch Ratchet]

 

[Badalight]

he said he didn't kill anyone

I'm aware of what he said, lol. Doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I'm just spit balling possibilities. I mean, I literally referred to him not having killed anyone in the post you quoted.

 

[Ratchet]

I still think LG is lying but I'm happy to lynch Ratchet too.

[Change Vote lynch Ratchet]

Why?

 

[SinRaven]

Wait I vaguely remember Santi saying he was gonna shoot someone D1

 

[Badalight]

hmm so your guess is they arent being culted but rather its cause they killed a townie and became guilty?

I mean what's more likely, there are 2 cults in this game, or that towns killing other towns turns them "guilty".

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I'm aware of what he said, lol. Doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I'm just spit balling possibilities. I mean, I literally referred to him not having killed anyone in the post you quoted.

I'm blind mb

 

[nfcnorth]

Why would you target a WU N1, though, when there were no WUs yet ?

Yes there where the day ones like say the wish granted one. Is that not a writeup?

 

[nfcnorth]

Which was on day 1

 

[Flower]

Yes there where the day ones like say the wish granted one. Is that not a writeup?

So you can target those, too?

 

[Badalight]

The op doesn't say anything about alignment and win conditions. Very possible that a guilty townie still has a normal townie win condition.

 

[Underworld Broker]

I mean what's more likely, there are 2 cults in this game, or that towns killing other towns turns them "guilty".

i mean well yeah thats a possibility but the write up also says they betrayed the town which is suspect???

 

[Flower]

The op doesn't say anything about alignment and win conditions. Very possible that a guilty townie still has a normal townie win condition.

"Betraying the Town" sounds a lot like a change of alignment to be quite frank.

 

[Flower]

i mean well yeah thats a possibility but the write up also says they betrayed the town which is suspect???

Ninja'd.

 

[Cooler]

Why?

I just can't imagine you being town and contributing so little.

Why are you addressing my vote above all others?

 

[SinRaven]

Wait I vaguely remember Santi saying he was gonna shoot someone D1

Nvm quick search through his posts and can't find anything back. Mustve been someone else.

Thought it could maybe back up his claim, but turns out it's still shady af

 

[SinRaven]

so yeah santi for lynch two imho

 

[nfcnorth]

So you can target those, too?

I was unsure at first but looks like it.

 

[Hayumi]

Wait I vaguely remember Santi saying he was gonna shoot someone D1

I’m guessing this is what you’re probably thinking of lol.

Based off the tone in the posts, I'ma go ahead and take a shot in the dark and say it's @Kvothe Kingkiller

 

[Hero]

Nvm quick search through his posts and can't find anything back. Mustve been someone else.

Thought it could maybe back up his claim, but turns out it's still shady af

He definitely said something about shooting someone

 

[SinRaven]

I’m guessing this is what you’re probably thinking of lol.

No no no, lol, i thought I remembered him explicitly saying when someone asked for someone to be vigged like "im on it" and then it never happened lol

But considering all my memories regarding that are hazy as fuck I now doubt i even saw such a thing idk

 

[Badalight]

i mean well yeah thats a possibility but the write up also says they betrayed the town which is suspect???

"Betraying the Town" sounds a lot like a change of alignment to be quite frank.

Wouldn't killing a fellow townie also be a "betrayal" of town?

 

[Hero]

Wouldn't killing a fellow townie also be a "betrayal" of town?

When has town killed town?

 

[Flower]

Wouldn't killing a fellow townie also be a "betrayal" of town?

No. Betrayal means you leave the faction. And no reason to announce this if that wasn't a conversion.

 

[Flower]

Also, JW was a Godfather that could recruit players, not really a Cult Leader.

 

[Flower]

@Natalija did you do anything N1 btw?

 

[Badalight]

Also, JW was a Godfather that could recruit players, not really a Cult Leader.

That's literally a cult.

 

[Flower]

That's literally a cult.

No, he was Mafia with a recruiting ability.

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija did you do anything N1 btw?

Oh yes

 

[Badalight]

No, he was Mafia with a recruiting ability.

In terms of game functionality, how is that any different than a cult?

 

[Flower]

In terms of game functionality, how is that any different than a cult?

It is different as in he can't recruit a player each night. He has to mark the players and then pick them for a Mafia team and gets the Mafia wincon, usually. Cult can recruit every night as the WU implies, so there you have the difference.


JW's ability was this btw:

Laix will become the godfather of a newly formed mafia, and he can choose up to 4 of the living [Kylie Minogue Stans] to join him as his subordinates.

 

[Flower]

Oh yes

Who did you target? Don't say what you did.

 

[Iwandesu]

So I would receive no targets from the nessos track since he did it in the day

Based on my convo with host

So does this contradict nessos ?
Yeah right ?

 

[Iwandesu]

Ok.

so my question is, would Nitty desígnate more than 1 night time vigilante in the game? Or would it be broken up to a day vig and a night vig

I would be pretty surprised if there werent at least 2 vigs

 

[Natalija]

Who did you target? Don't say what you did.

My role is... Not like that.

 

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If santi isnt a vig then who did the 3rd kill tonight tho

He says it wasn't him anyway.

 

[Flower]

Who did Rem block again?