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Tbh whenever I play a Shizune game I end up feeling lost because these games seem designed in a way that only people who know the source material can play it.

What usually happens is that there is a clique of Warcraft players who know what's going on and the rest of us are just spectators.

So getting D1'd in a Shizune game because of that seems normal.

No offense, Shizune, but I felt like I had to let that out.
 
Nevan said:
I still want @Okosan to answer my question and give his thoughts.

As well as @Dr. White
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Cooooo? (Lol tagging him multiple times for this isn't going to make him do it faster :lmao)

Cooo! Cooo! (But some general thoughts he's had reading back through the game:

There's a couple of main people that stand out to Okosan for one reason or another, though not all of them being scum. Not as many people as normal are pinging Okosan for that. On the town side we've got WPK, Ratchet, WAD (all for obvious reasons), and then Okosan is actually leaning town on Leeroy. Okosan was very familiar with how Leeroy was posting during favorites as scum, and maybe it's just the sheer size of that game messing with it but his posts seem genuine enough here. Okosan could very easily see scum trying to push a Leeroy lynch just because it wouldn't be too hard

For scum / people we should look more into we've got Odd and Kira. Kira hasn't really posted anything of substance so far. His posts have either been exclusively (and only lightly) pushing Nevan as possible scum, and he's only really been asking other people for their reads instead of furthering the discussion himself. Besides that his posts have been mechanic related or just fluff.

For Odd Okosan doesn't think people should just accept his miller claim. First, for knowing he's going to look suspicious this game he's barely posted anything to help clear his name. Second, his activity has only really spiked to throw out said Miller claim. Could've just been him trying to get out ahead of a possible invest. And finally, out of everyone in the game that could possibly fake claim as a miller Odd would be his number one choice. People seem too keen on letting us focus on other people.)
 
Okosan said:
Cooooo? (Lol tagging him multiple times for this isn't going to make him do it faster :lmao)

Cooo! Cooo! (But some general thoughts he's had reading back through the game:

There's a couple of main people that stand out to Okosan for one reason or another, though not all of them being scum. Not as many people as normal are pinging Okosan for that. On the town side we've got WPK, Ratchet, WAD (all for obvious reasons), and then Okosan is actually leaning town on Leeroy. Okosan was very familiar with how Leeroy was posting during favorites as scum, and maybe it's just the sheer size of that game messing with it but his posts seem genuine enough here. Okosan could very easily see scum trying to push a Leeroy lynch just because it wouldn't be too hard

For scum / people we should look more into we've got Odd and Kira. Kira hasn't really posted anything of substance so far. His posts have either been exclusively (and only lightly) pushing Nevan as possible scum, and he's only really been asking other people for their reads instead of furthering the discussion himself. Besides that his posts have been mechanic related or just fluff.

For Odd Okosan doesn't think people should just accept his miller claim. First, for knowing he's going to look suspicious this game he's barely posted anything to help clear his name. Second, his activity has only really spiked to throw out said Miller claim. Could've just been him trying to get out ahead of a possible invest. And finally, out of everyone in the game that could possibly fake claim as a miller Odd would be his number one choice. People seem too keen on letting us focus on other people.)
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I've fake claimed Miller before so it's not too much of a stretch to think I'm doing it this time

My activity level is down because I'm having some major internet problems but again I've lied about that sort of thing before
 
Dragon D. Luffy said:
Tbh whenever I play a Shizune game I end up feeling lost because these games seem designed in a way that only people who know the source material can play it.

What usually happens is that there is a clique of Warcraft players who know what's going on and the rest of us are just spectators.

So getting D1'd in a Shizune game because of that seems normal.

No offense, Shizune, but I felt like I had to let that out.
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I kinda get that. I don't really know much about Warcraft myself.

But you did corner yourself by saying you could win with mafia. That's never going to gain you much trust from town.
 
Dragon D. Luffy said:
Tbh whenever I play a Shizune game I end up feeling lost because these games seem designed in a way that only people who know the source material can play it.

What usually happens is that there is a clique of Warcraft players who know what's going on and the rest of us are just spectators.

So getting D1'd in a Shizune game because of that seems normal.

No offense, Shizune, but I felt like I had to let that out.
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>Signing up for game where you're not even mildly familiar with the flavor

Loser talk :lul
 
poutanko said:
You've done nothing, that's why
:caticon

And not a sir ~
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Well that's embarrassing, it was right there for me to see:D:

In so far as my actions this game or rather inaction. I guess? I should probably have cast a vote earlier since I did have an idea what it was I wanted to see happen. And I stated that in one of my earlier posts (pretty much find out Oreki's alignment and go from there).

That's in the past though and seems a bit fruitless to push that line of thought since everyone has moved off of that. I honestly don't have solid reads as I usually take a bit more time to piece things together.

Leeroy's one I've been keeping my eye on.

I mentioned LG and Melodie as "gut feeling" reads before, but having gone back and read a bit more I don't really feel all that strongly about those reads any more.
 
Shark Skin said:
Well that's embarrassing, it was right there for me to see:D:

In so far as my actions this game or rather inaction. I guess? I should probably have cast a vote earlier since I did have an idea what it was I wanted to see happen. And I stated that in one of my earlier posts (pretty much find out Oreki's alignment and go from there).

That's in the past though and seems a bit fruitless to push that line of thought since everyone has moved off of that. I honestly don't have solid reads as I usually take a bit more time to piece things together.

Leeroy's one I've been keeping my eye on.

I mentioned LG and Melodie as "gut feeling" reads before, but having gone back and read a bit more I don't really feel all that strongly about those reads any more.
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You're pretty neutralish and play it safe imo :caticon

No other read other than those 4? You have mentioned them earlier but it seems like your read is not growing :thinkchuu
 
Katsuargi said:
Assuming I survive the rest of the cycle, anyone in particular I should watch actions on tonight?

(I haven't actually had a watcher role. I feel like it would be very strong....if I hadn't outed myself on calling out someone on a lie that didn't actually exist earlier. *Side eyes Shizy.*)
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Tbh, Odd or LG would be a good idea since both of them are difficult to read as is from posting alone.
 
Shark Skin said:
You know what... I'm also going to add Dr.White as a person of interest. He voted WPK after the 24 hour mark passed and then said that he hadn't read the OP. Yet he'd posted a number of times before that (two close to the start of the game and at least one other after that). And I guess that's a possibility, since I've done that before, but still...
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Oh nice, keep adding them :caticon
Bus your team mates please. You're limiting your read way too much :lmao

What's your thought on DDL and Odd?
 
Katsuargi said:
Assuming I survive the rest of the cycle, anyone in particular I should watch actions on tonight?

(I haven't actually had a watcher role. I feel like it would be very strong....if I hadn't outed myself on calling out someone on a lie that didn't actually exist earlier. *Side eyes Shizy.*)
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Wouldn't that be a tracker, rather than a Watcher? Or did you watch WPK as soon as WAD said he was targeting him?
 
poutanko said:
You're pretty neutralish and play it safe imo :caticon

No other read other than those 4? You have mentioned them earlier but it seems like your read is not growing :thinkchuu
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Nah, like I said within that post I haven't seen anything from them (LG and Melodie in particular) to really make them stand out any more than they did initially.

poutanko said:
Oh nice, keep adding them :caticon
Bus your team mates please. You're limiting your read way too much :lmao

What's your thought on DDL and Odd?
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Assuming I have teammates:jesuschrist

Honestly don't have much to add about DDL that hasn't already been said. He's either a non-aligned indy that can win with either town or mafia (which I believe is pretty much what he said) or he's a gf that overplayed his hand. Would tend to lean towards the former more than the latter.

Odd, I don't necessarily trust. I don't think I've ever played in any games with Odd, but he says that he's made miller claims before that have gone both ways (truthful or lies).
 
Shark Skin said:
Nah, like I said within that post I haven't seen anything from them (LG and Melodie in particular) to really make them stand out any more than they did initially.
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Which players stand out to you now? The one who deserve your vote ~


Assuming I have teammates:jesuschrist
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I think you have :caticon

Honestly don't have much to add about DDL that hasn't already been said. He's either a non-aligned indy that can win with either town or mafia (which I believe is pretty much what he said) or he's a gf that overplayed his hand. Would tend to lean towards the former more than the latter.

Odd, I don't necessarily trust. I don't think I've ever played in any games with Odd, but he says that he's made miller claims before that have gone both ways (truthful or lies).
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Yea you're scum, too much sitting on the fence :lmao

[Change Vote Lynch Shark Skin]
 
poutanko said:
Which players stand out to you now? The one who deserve your vote ~
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Have we not been discussing this? Just read that again. I said they don't stand out any MORE than they initially did. As in they are still players I'm keeping an eye on.


Yea you're scum, too much sitting on the fence :lmao

[Change Vote Lynch Shark Skin]
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Not sure what's "sitting" on the fence about saying I don't trust either.
 
Odd has been strange this game, I'm used to seeing more from him but it has been a while.

White I think needs to start picking up the slack. His play so far has been flippant at best, but I know he can play scum better than that so I don't believe it indicates alignment here.

WAD is a tough one. He's crafty enough to make use of all the chaos to make a series of suboptimal moves, and blend it away with self-admonishment, but gun to head he's town.

Broki I would put as scum right now. Way too flimsy and quick to switch topics into fluff, it's only day 1 so I'm not saying lynch, but I'm leaning scum there.

Oreki I am conflicted on. Maybe the guy is just lost and doubling down because of arrogance, but it feels opportunistic. If he's scum, I think he would share a faction with Broki, and/or maybe WAD.

Juan, hmm... HMMM... I'm guessing hereh but I think I slightly lean town. Going to need to look more into this, he's had a very easy day phase.

It's hard because there are other behaviours and such that struck me as scummy but have been lost in the volume of content. I am also trying not to give away the identities of the people I know are town.
 
Shark Skin said:
[Vote lynch Oddjutsu]
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>stagnant read until questioned
>adding only 1 sus after asked
>voting only after pressured

You barely interact with anyone. Not pushing anyone.
It would be better if you question your suspects but I don't see it anywhere.

shade0180 said:
did you guys decide to split the vote and leave it to the rng god like in the first 24 hour.

:kannasip
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Unless we know majority is needed, back up wagon is normal for NF Role Madness game in case there's some lynch redirect going on :zaru
 
poutanko said:
>stagnant read until questioned
>adding only 1 sus after asked
>voting only after pressured

You barely interact with anyone. Not pushing anyone.
It would be better if you question your suspects but I don't see it anywhere.
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TBH, that's generally my play style. And I know that's not a good thing to admit, but I don't really push or question anyone. In the past I probably wouldn't have even responded to you for as long as I have.

Nevan said:
Why him over your other reads?
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Mainly because he's made a claim worth looking into.

Oreki was someone that I would have rather had confirmed by the fortune teller since I think he's town. TBH I was interested in seeing how you would have reacted had he been confirmed since you were the one to question him the hardest after his claim.

I want to see what Dr. White has to say when he gets back since he did say he had some reads.
 
Shark Skin said:
Mainly because he's made a claim worth looking into.
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So you think our optimal move is to lynch a claimed miller?

Shark Skin said:
Oreki was someone that I would have rather had confirmed by the fortune teller since I think he's town. TBH I was interested in seeing how you would have reacted had he been confirmed since you were the one to question him the hardest after his claim.
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I would have looked at who was defending him, if they had valid reasons to do so or if they did it because they knew he was town.

Also see if his reveal was to prevent someone else's.

What would you have done?

Shark Skin said:
I want to see what Dr. White has to say when he gets back since he did say he had some reads.
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Do you have any questions for him when he gets here?

There's not that much time until the dayphase ends, what do you think about his current posts?
 
I am back. Just a heads up expect spurty activity from me. Recently done with school and just got hired at a new job which requires a solid amount of training before I even start. As a result also don't have the lesiure of staying up until 3-4am everyday.

Anywho, between all le shit posts I have some reads which stuck out to me.

Sworder - Initially stuck out to me as a clear scum feigning town. All of the forced emotion in the posts, being over aggressive when writing to people. I just wasn't buying it. Nothing has really changed for me and it is a tone read so meh that's where I'm at with him currently.

Nevan - Well he's being nevan. A bunch of prodding without ever getting anywhere with it. I'd wait on it for now, as I'd like to see where he takes his "pressuring".

Oreki - I actually town read lmao. He seemed like he was genuinly trying to spit his mafia philosophy at us and was surprised at the amount of shitposting present in the thread. I also agreed with his post on ratchet, who at the time was lightly picking at people's posts and not really following up on it. With Ratchet revealing as town the one scenario I see him as mafia would be if he and Ratch have played together on the same community. Then I could see him attempting to lay the foundation of sus of a major player who might be able to read them later down the road.

Santi - Reads power wolf so far. I have seen him pay town like this once before that was long ago in CoTH I believe. He just seems aggressive and present rather than genuinly doing the aforementioned things to solve as opposed to appearing so. So yeah lean wolf.

Pout - Short time with us but seems like her town cop playstyle (cop as in characteristics not role lol). We'll see how it keeps up.

UB - Seems genuine so far. Playing at her own pace and not neccessarily keeping up with the game as it happens. Nothing too strong for her though.

John Wayne - Would lynch no problem. Same problem I have with sworder except significantly less good going for him given his arid posts in comparison. My vote probably going here if we don't string up DDL. Speaking of...

DDL - Yeah idk man. Not sure what he was thinking with his claim. furthermore he clearly manipulated to a very strong Day 1 mechanic for his own benefit to only claim after and with that flavor, lmao. On one hand I can see it being a shortsighted way to ensure both factions keep off of him. On the other hand it could be a solid way to move on as some sort of traitor indie role with town thinking him innocent if he has scan resistance, hence his move to cuck the alignment reveal thing. Overall I don't like taking the risk on him.

Shark skin - Would lynch, similar boat to JW.

Mel - Similarly 50/50 on them still. Would wait to see how their play develops.

Cooler/Nova - Seem to be laying low. I'd say more dangerous for the latter.

Kira - Nothing AI yet, although I did see someone make a vouch for his playstyle so far which I disagreed with when reading. Don't remember who it was though.

Katsu - Seemed like he legit thought he had WAD in a lie and put himself out there for what turned out to be a clerical error. Lean town.

That's all I really remember from y initial read through/ latest skim.

I have some time today though so that's good.
 
Nevan said:
So you think our optimal move is to lynch a claimed miller?
No, not necessarily. I just think he should be pressured on that claim more. At this point DDL is going to be lynched and I'm fine with that no matter how he flips. Can't trust someone who can win with mafia.

I would have looked at who was defending him, if they had valid reasons to do so or if they did it because they knew he was town.

Also see if his reveal was to prevent someone else's.

What would you have done?
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Honestly that's a bit tough. Considering his was the earliest claim and the subsequent wagons that formed I'm not sure I feel that his reveal would have prevented someone else's. If anything I felt the WPK/DDL wagons were more to that effect than an early Oreki wagon would have been. I had stated why I didn't support a WPK wagon (thought it was silly to suspect an inactive) and DDL wagon was self inflicted, which I feel was a distraction from other discussions.
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Shark Skin said:
No, not necessarily. I just think he should be pressured on that claim more. At this point DDL is going to be lynched and I'm fine with that no matter how he flips. Can't trust someone who can win with mafia.
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If you don't believe he's the optimal lynch why did you vote him?

Why don't you pressure him yourself?

Shark Skin said:
Honestly that's a bit tough. Considering his was the earliest claim and the subsequent wagons that formed I'm not sure I feel that his reveal would have prevented someone else's. If anything I felt the WPK/DDL wagons were more to that effect than an early Oreki wagon would have been. I had stated why I didn't support a WPK wagon (thought it was silly to suspect an inactive) and DDL wagon was self inflicted, which I feel was a distraction from other discussions.
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You didn't answer my question.

What would you have done?

Also any question for Dr. White and thoughts on his reads?
 
Dr. White said:
Santi - Reads power wolf so far. I have seen him pay town like this once before that was long ago in CoTH I believe. He just seems aggressive and present rather than genuinly doing the aforementioned things to solve as opposed to appearing so. So yeah lean wolf.
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I'm not sure what the implication here is. You appear to be leaning town on me but I consider power wolfing more a scum strategy and I'm infamous for winning games as scum using this strat.
 
John Wayne said:
You've been oddly passive this game, maybe this is your actual townie playstyle.
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I literally explained why I haven't been around this game. Why don't you read instead of throwing these terrible jabs of shade.

Santi said:
I'm not sure what the implication here is. You appear to be leaning town on me but I consider power wolfing more a scum strategy and I'm infamous for winning games as scum using this strat.
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What? How did you get me town reading you lmao? I literally said you were power wolfing and said I lean scum on you. I simply claimed I was wrong once before about you being scum when you played similar.
 
Nevan said:
If you don't believe he's the optimal lynch why did you vote him?

Why don't you pressure him yourself?
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As an alternate form of pressuring. In so far as pressuring him myself through posts, I'm honestly not sure what else I could say to him to draw anything more out of him. I think his interactions earlier showed pretty much the extent of what his replies would be to questioning his miller claim. He hasn't been around since then.


You didn't answer my question.

What would you have done?
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I probably would have pressured you to the best of my abilities (which if it isn't obvious already I'm not all that good at).


Also any question for Dr. White and thoughts on his reads?
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No questions. In so far as his reads I'd agree with Oreki being town, his 50/50 read of Mel, Cooler/Nova's laying low (although I don't feel strongly about them being scum at the moment), Odd being scum, and Katsu as being legit. Disagree with DDL not being worth the risk and my being scum. Indifferent/undecided on the rest.
 
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