Game World of Warcraft: The Eastern Kingdoms (town+indie victory!)

[Underworld Broker]

Day 1:

Balnazzar would have either not voted or been reluctant to vote DDL and only bus him at the end when his lynch was unavoidable. Possibly:

Shark Skin
Nevan
Underworld Broker
Oreki
No vote from the player Wild replaced (forgot who)

To compare that with people who would have voted for Platinum on D3 or voted him only later down the line when it was unavoidable:

Broki (voted for him last)
Oreki (though he voted for another SC)
Wild
Expo (Oh man if he is scum he is GOOD at mafia)

I saw no reason to vote DDL as i wanted him vigged

I voted Kira and Platinum previous day, so in either case i would've hit SC so it wouldn't have mattered if i was last on Plat

Broki being scum would be mind blown.

Ikr

 

[Ratchet]

Just to be sure, it is currently you, bunny, and +2, right?

Right.

 

[Tiger]

My claim is

Magni Bronzebeard
Lord of Ironforge
My faction is Kingdom of Khaz Modan

Hey there. Question, why would a bulletproof dwarf need armor that gives extra lives?

@is a a quick Google search showed me Kirin Tor mages in the forsaken.

 

[Kira Yagami]

ha



Thanks for the game @Shizune

 

[Oreki]

I believe you. What have you done action wise though this game?

Action wise I haven't done anything

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Hey there. Question, why would a bulletproof dwarf need armor that gives extra lives?

@is a a quick Google search showed me Kirin Tor mages in the forsaken.

Not in this time period of WoW, to my knowledge. Unless you would like to correct me on that?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Action wise I haven't done anything

Why not? You must have a one-shot or an active. Everyone does.

 

[Melodie]

I guess the bronze part is thematically accurate

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

You mean poison stuff? I was protected

You're protected from his role crush? How?

 

[Oddjutsu]

I took a potshot at Dr White

Me confirmed now

 

[Underworld Broker]

Why would someone protect our suspect

 

[Wild]

 

[Shark Skin]

Why would someone protect our suspect

Perhaps they believed in A Optomistic's lie detect more than the night messenger? Only thing I could think.

 

[Underworld Broker]

Perhaps they believed in A Optomistic's lie detect more than the night messenger? Only thing I could think.

That could be a possibility

 

[Tiger]

Not in this time period of WoW, to my knowledge. Unless you would like to correct me on that?

To my knowledge and Google skills, no Kirin Tor mages turned into forsaken while we were playing vanilla.

However, there is at least one that became Scourge-- then swapped teams prior to vanilla starting. And can be found in the plaguelands as a questgiver.

 

[Oddjutsu]

Can you guys get majority without me and @Ratchet ?

 

[Tiger]

Magni wouldn't be offed by poison. He may just mean he protected himself-- even passively. Otherwise why would he know.

 

[Wild]

Also I have a hard town read on kvothe because he was very vocal last night

 

[poutanko]

Uh...
if Shizune follows the lore

isn't it more possible for Balnazzar to get rid of the Reds to necro them later?
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Risen_(organization)

The Risen is a faction of undead Forsaken (led by demons)

Following the assault on Stratholme, Balnazzar shed his disguise and killed the remaining Scarlet Crusaders within the city. With great pleasure, Balnazzar then used his necromantic powers to resurrect them

no need to be hesitant on bussing them to grab them town cred

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Well hello there

[Vote Lynch Kira Yagami]

[vote kira yagami]

I am loyal to the banshee queen Lady Sylvanas

@sworder your truth serum works after lynch right? You mentioned waiting for the next night phase to clear Melodie though I imagine it'll be for white this phase.

[Vote Lynch Kira Yagami]

I think we need to put Nova in the same boat as White right now. He's got a similar vibe to me as White, where it's kinda looking sus as fuck right now to me, but still plausible enough townie claims.

I guess I'm gonna take the gamble on Kira, since I have been mixed on him the entire time.

[vote lynch Kira]

@Dr. White What faction are you

This night phase will end with a wasted truth serum

[Vote Lynch Kira]

I’d much prefer lynching aizen tho

The order of the night votes.

I quoted 3 of Wild/Cubey's posts because there is a five-hour window separating the first from the last. So he is the last to vote for Kira(Scarlet Crusade). He also expresses reluctance in voting him (evident from being last to vote, not voting for hours after he posted, and desiring a different lynch target).

We can pretty much safely determine Cubey is not Hakkar mafia, but quite possibly Scarlet Crusade.

On the other side, nova bringing up Kira to be lynched kind of does help alleviate nova from being associated with Scarlet Crusade, but can very well be Hakkar mafia which matches his lazy, procrastinating playstyle thus far which suits Hakkar mafia now that they are at their strongest.

 

[Tiger]

@Shizune if a player is role-crushed, do they lose their faction bonus as well?

 

[Wild]

The order of the night votes.

I quoted 3 of Wild/Cubey's posts because there is a five-hour window separating the first from the last. So he is the last to vote for Kira(Scarlet Crusade). He also expresses reluctance in voting him (evident from being last to vote, not voting for hours after he posted, and desiring a different lynch target).

We can pretty much safely determine Cubey is not Hakkar mafia, but quite possibly Scarlet Crusade.

On the other side, nova bringing up Kira to be lynched kind of does help alleviate nova from being associated with Scarlet Crusade, but can very well be Hakkar mafia which matches his lazy, procrastinating playstyle thus far which suits Hakkar mafia now that they are at their strongest.

You’re using timestamps as your primary argument?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

To my knowledge and Google skills, no Kirin Tor mages turned into forsaken while we were playing vanilla.

However, there is at least one that became Scourge-- then swapped teams prior to vanilla starting. And can be found in the plaguelands as a questgiver.

Whom?

 

[Wild]

Also taking suggestions on who to invite tonight

 

[poutanko]

And this leak

... rather keep that secret also I don't think it'll make a dent one way or the other at this stage of the game.

What secret are they trying to keep? That Balnaz can actually night post but chose not to?

 

[Shizune]

@Shizune if a player is role-crushed, do they lose their faction bonus as well?

Depends on the faction bonus.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

You’re using timestamps as your primary argument?

It's supplementary. Not just the difference between your first post and vote, but the fact that you WERE the last to vote Kira, you expressed some kind of reluctance in voting him (wish we could vote AIZEN), you have been denying the possibility of any remaining scum among the night voters, shade's strange behavior, etc.

There's not nearly enough to convict you, but if any of the night voters are indeed scum, you are top suspect by FAR.

 

[poutanko]

I will say it's more likely for Balnaz to bus the Reds instead of being reluctant.

 

[Oreki]

Why not? You must have a one-shot or an active. Everyone does.

I do have an active ability which something will be useless if I told you about the ability.. beside that I have nigh kill shot which I got when someone role crushed me and that attack converted a kill shot for me... I was thinking to use it on Nova last NP cuz of little hunch and the way he was playing but I wasn't sure so I decide not to use that now

Hey there. Question, why would a bulletproof dwarf need armor that gives extra lives?

@is a a quick Google search showed me Kirin Tor mages in the forsaken.

I think lives and being bulletproof are two separate things, bulletproof that I will just able to survive reg kill.. and lives for the kills that bypass reg kills... I am not so sure about this either but how it is.

You're protected from his role crush? How?

If someone tries to role crush me I turn that role crush into a kill

 

[poutanko]

WAD, can you read my post first? Hello?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

WAD, can you read my post first? Hello?

its possible but only barely so

resurrecting your whole mafia team is a tier of role madness fuckery that nitty really doesnt subscribe to

i agree we shouldnt credit the idea of someone pushing SC to not be SC but to operate on this theory is......not advisable

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I do have an active ability which something will be useless if I told you about the ability.. beside that I have nigh kill shot which I got when someone role crushed me and that attack converted a kill shot for me... I was thinking to use it on Nova last NP cuz of little hunch and the way he was playing but I wasn't sure so I decide not to use that now


I think lives and being bulletproof are two separate things, bulletproof that I will just able to survive reg kill.. and lives for the kills that bypass reg kills... I am not so sure about this either but how it is.


If someone tries to role crush me I turn that role crush into a kill

well use your abilities tonight fam

 

[Oreki]

Why would someone protect our suspect

It's a passive ability of mine... I just said protected cuz of Shizune informed that I was protected by my passive ability(name of the ability)

 

[Wild]

It's supplementary. Not just the difference between your first post and vote, but the fact that you WERE the last to vote Kira, you expressed some kind of reluctance in voting him (wish we could vote AIZEN), you have been denying the possibility of any remaining scum among the night voters, shade's strange behavior, etc.

There's not nearly enough to convict you, but if any of the night voters are indeed scum, you are top suspect by FAR.

I mean ok that’s fair but calling me scum because I wanted to scumhunt more ppl rather than just Kira isn’t good scumhunting. It was obvious Kira was going, and while I had no issue with that, why not sleuth as many people as possible? We had a whole 36 hours to theorize who could be mafia. Instead we just tunneled on the one guy we were lynching anyways.

 

[Underworld Broker]

I think lives and being bulletproof are two separate things, bulletproof that I will just able to survive reg kill.. and lives for the kills that bypass reg kills... I am not so sure about this either but how it is.

2. There are two levels of kills: regular and super. Regular kills can be stopped by roleblocking the killer or protecting the victim, and consume one life from roles with multiple lives. Superkills bypass all defenses, roleblocks and bonus lives. Superkills can be redirected.

^there's some info on game-related stuff in the opening posts of nitty

 

[Tiger]

Whom?

I was wrong about where he can be found-- Gunther from Gunther's Retreat in Tirisfal.

 

[A Optimistic]

@novaselinenever

Are you town?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I mean ok that’s fair but calling me scum because I wanted to scumhunt more ppl rather than just Kira isn’t good scumhunting. It was obvious Kira was going, and while I had no issue with that, why not sleuth as many people as possible? We had a whole 36 hours to theorize who could be mafia. Instead we just tunneled on the one guy we were lynching anyways.

either way im not concerned with you rn because its pretty evident that you're not Gurubashi mafia and i think it goes without saying everyone's focus should be on Gurubashi > SC if possible cause fuck Hakkar

 

[Oreki]

^there's some info on game-related stuff in the opening posts of nitty

Yeah, I did read about that... that's why I didn't mention the super kill

 

[Tiger]

Depends on the faction bonus.

Ok...that's kind of...

Can you say which ones please?

 

[Wild]

You guys leave your suggestions on who to invite tonight and tag me. I’m going afk

 

[Underworld Broker]

Ok...that's kind of...

Can you say which ones please?

i guess this one can be role-blocked

The Scarlet Crusade

[Active - The Inquisition] - The crusaders can facton kill another player during the night.

----

the faction bonus with hakkar probably not since it's affecting the lynch and not an action that can be performed

 

[Shizune]

Ok...that's kind of...

Can you say which ones please?

ok

Disabled with role crush:
Azeroth
Khaz Modan
Cultists
Dark Iron

 

[Tiger]

ok

Disabled with role crush:
Azeroth
Khaz Modan
Cultists
Dark Iron

Gracias.

 

[Tiger]

[Vote Lynch Novaselinenever]

No sense not putting it down. We need majority, but I'm not as sure about the lynch as some are.

I'm also in agreement with Wad about Wild, but not for today.

Tfw I caught Dr. White based off a salty convo leak.

 

[Tiger]

[Vote Lynch Novaselinenever]

Because I'm new.

 

[Expo]

@is a @Tiger the one Tiger found is the only one I could find. It happened, but many of the former kirin tor-now-forsaken are mostly all unnamed NPC's roaming Silverpine or w/e I think.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

1. novaselinenever - Claimed former Kirin Tor now Forsaken
2. Oddjutsu - Claimed Steamwheedle.
3. Juan - ?
4. Leeroy Jenkins - Claimed/Pseudo-confirmed Chromie (With Town Win Con).
5. Kvothe Kingkiller - Forsaken, likely.
6. A Optimistic - Confirmed Azerothian
7. is a - Confirmed Azerothian
8. Tiger - Claimed Steamwheedle.
9. Shark Skin - ?
10. Sworder - Forsaken, not Sylvanas.
11. Wild - Claimed Forsaken
12. Melodie - ? (Town points for the hunting of Platinum and Kira)
13. Nevan - ?
14. A I Z E N - ?
15. WPK - Confirmed Kirin Tor
16. Okosan - Confirmed Town (by me)
17. Oreki - Claimed Khaz'Modan. Lie detected as Town.
18. Underworld Broker - ? (Lie Detected as Town).
19. Expo - ?
20. Didi - ?
21. Poutanko - Confirmed Silver Hand
22. Ratchet - Confirmed Town Silver Hand

In this list we have approximately 3-5 scum left. Scarlet Crusade likely has two members left at most (Balnazzar + Herod?) while Gurubashi has 1, maybe two more left.

The only other possible scum would be a Katrana Prestor becoming Onyxia.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@Didi

Less tagging me in other threads more mafia (til I stream )

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

1. novaselinenever - Claimed former Kirin Tor now Forsaken
2. Oddjutsu - Claimed Steamwheedle.
3. Juan - ?
4. Leeroy Jenkins - Claimed/Pseudo-confirmed Chromie (With Town Win Con).
5. Kvothe Kingkiller - Forsaken, likely.
6. A Optimistic - Confirmed Azerothian
7. is a - Confirmed Azerothian
8. Tiger - Claimed Steamwheedle.
9. Shark Skin - ?
10. Sworder - Forsaken, not Sylvanas.
11. Wild - Claimed Forsaken
12. Melodie - ? (Town points for the hunting of Platinum and Kira)
13. Nevan - ?
14. A I Z E N - ?
15. WPK - Confirmed Kirin Tor
16. Okosan - Confirmed Town (by me)
17. Oreki - Claimed Khaz'Modan. Lie detected as Town.
18. Underworld Broker - ? (Lie Detected as Town).
19. Expo - ?
20. Didi - ?
21. Poutanko - Confirmed Silver Hand
22. Ratchet - Confirmed Town Silver Hand

In this list we have approximately 3-5 scum left. Scarlet Crusade likely has two members left at most (Balnazzar + Herod?) while Gurubashi has 1, maybe two more left.

The only other possible scum would be a Katrana Prestor becoming Onyxia.

You say Sworder isn't Sylvanas? The only other forsaken would be Wild as Sylvanas then cause I'm not Sylvanas. And to my knowledge Sylvanas isn't Kirin Tor..

 

[Expo]

[Vote Lynch Novaselinenever]

 

[Underworld Broker]

didnt you say kartana is an evil dragon or smth? why she blue on your list

 

[Underworld Broker]

@Didi get your head in the game

 

[Wild]

You say Sworder isn't Sylvanas? The only other forsaken would be Wild as Sylvanas then cause I'm not Sylvanas. And to my knowledge Sylvanas isn't Kirin Tor..

Cough

 

[Didi]

1. novaselinenever - Claimed former Kirin Tor now Forsaken
2. Oddjutsu - Claimed Steamwheedle.
3. Juan - ?
4. Leeroy Jenkins - Claimed/Pseudo-confirmed Chromie (With Town Win Con).
5. Kvothe Kingkiller - Forsaken, likely.
6. A Optimistic - Confirmed Azerothian
7. is a - Confirmed Azerothian
8. Tiger - Claimed Steamwheedle.
9. Shark Skin - ?
10. Sworder - Forsaken, not Sylvanas.
11. Wild - Claimed Forsaken
12. Melodie - ? (Town points for the hunting of Platinum and Kira)
13. Nevan - ?
14. A I Z E N - ?
15. WPK - Confirmed Kirin Tor
16. Okosan - Confirmed Town (by me)
17. Oreki - Claimed Khaz'Modan. Lie detected as Town.
18. Underworld Broker - ? (Lie Detected as Town).
19. Expo - ?
20. Didi - ?
21. Poutanko - Confirmed Silver Hand
22. Ratchet - Confirmed Town Silver Hand

In this list we have approximately 3-5 scum left. Scarlet Crusade likely has two members left at most (Balnazzar + Herod?) while Gurubashi has 1, maybe two more left.

The only other possible scum would be a Katrana Prestor becoming Onyxia.

Aight in that case
I'm town
Sure Aizen is town as well

I'm convinced both Nevan and Nova are scum


so
that leaves Juan, SS, Melodie, Expo and Cubey as the primary targets, right?

Out of those, if I had to pick in order
Cubey
Juan
Melodie
SS
Expo


I'd think
but this is ofc only based off of 1 DP + shit you guys have been saying

 

[Didi]

@Didi get your head in the game

 

[Expo]

On the one hand, Gunther was relatively unimportant and it might be weird having him in a game with kings and high priestesses and archmages

On the other hand, he was memorable enough for low lvl Horde questers that Shiz might've thrown him in the game just for the flavor and settin .

Hard to say tbh

But Novase hasn't done much to convince anyone otherwise that I can recall

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

You say Sworder isn't Sylvanas? The only other forsaken would be Wild as Sylvanas then cause I'm not Sylvanas. And to my knowledge Sylvanas isn't Kirin Tor..

sworder declared allegiance to her, unless he's trying to reverse psychology others from thinking he's her.

didnt you say kartana is an evil dragon or smth? why she blue on your list

Because she would very much appear to be Azerothian for the time being. Is the Royal Adviser to the king and all that jazz. Her turning is a very likely possibility.

For the record, I think you're her.

Cough

Oh.

 

[Didi]

Aight in that case
I'm town
Sure Aizen is town as well

I'm convinced both Nevan and Nova are scum


so
that leaves Juan, SS, Melodie, Expo and Cubey as the primary targets, right?

Out of those, if I had to pick in order
Cubey
Juan
Melodie
SS
Expo


I'd think
but this is ofc only based off of 1 DP + shit you guys have been saying

*primary remaining targets
1-3 out of those 5 should be scum if I'm understanding it correctly
assuming Nova and Nevan do indeed flip scum

 

[Didi]

Cough

Oh, move Cubey to the bottom of my list then

 

[Expo]

didnt you say kartana is an evil dragon or smth? why she blue on your list

Blue because Katrana Prestor is her Azeroth disguise. She disguises as a noble with many political connections. Her true form is a dragon, Onyxia. It's very likely, almost certain even, that she'd be going under that disguise in this game until finally outted as Onyxia.

 

[Tiger]

On the one hand, Gunther was relatively unimportant and it might be weird having him in a game with kings and high priestesses and archmages

On the other hand, he was memorable enough for low lvl Horde questers that Shiz might've thrown him in the game just for the flavor and settin .

Hard to say tbh

But Novase hasn't done much to convince anyone otherwise that I can recall

My character is hard to remember. I'm only here because of who my father is. A high-profile Kirin Tor.

@is a I'm comfortable putting Wild as Sylvanas without others countering.

Also, you should put Expo as blue. For me.

 

[Didi]

@Juan and @Melodie
whatchu got to say for yourself?


Melodie, how does it feel to be green?

 

[Underworld Broker]

Because she would very much appear to be Azerothian for the time being. Is the Royal Adviser to the king and all that jazz. Her turning is a very likely possibility.

For the record, I think you're her.

Dont worry, thats not me i'll take that as a compliment tho i guess, haha

 

[Melodie]

@Juan and @Melodie
whatchu got to say for yourself?


Melodie, how does it feel to be green?

Come back to me when you read the game

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Cough

lmao

should I have not revealed that

 

[Didi]

Come back to me when you read the game

Melodie hard S H O O K at being called out

 

[Wild]

lmao

should I have not revealed that

It was inevitable

 

[Expo]

@is a I was tinfoiling already about how maybe UB didn't receive that letter at all. Maybe just acting like it to build cred, then continue sending the letter on future nights to others and have it be more believable it's genuine with nobody suspecting it was actually UB behind the letters all along.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Also, I have a case for Melodie being Gurubashi.

Here are two of the night convos from Night 1:

I can go with Melodie tho

I agree with the neutering of wad.

At some point in the game, Melodie did soft suggest that the mention of her by potential anti-town increased her likelihood to be perceived as town.

We established quite swiftly on Day 2 that the second message was Gurubashi in origin since they're the ones that rolecrushed me, so even if the message was referring to a hostile action targeting her it wouldn't have been from the faction she's being suspected from.

Fun Fact: She only mentioned or talked about the confirmed Dead Gurubashis, Dr. White and Katsuargi, ONCE EACH the entire game!

Dr. White possibly learning stuff from katsuragi chain is low-key the best thing u said pou. I buy it

Her only namedrop of Dr. White, ever.

If katsu was mafia why in the hell would he reveal such information so soon so abruptly.

his tilt alone makes me think he's the easiest one to view as town.

Her only namedrop of Katsu before he died (defending him!)

Her list, if you would recall is the following:

Kira, platinum, c.c or nevan

I know for a fact at least on of those is mafia, and I'm betting on platinum

Conveniently, only listing Scarlet Crusade scum!

Of course, she could very well be Town. Sure, its possible.

But I think I have presented fairly decent circumstantial evidence as to why she can just as easily be Gurubashi.

 

[Underworld Broker]

@is a I was tinfoiling already about how maybe UB didn't receive that letter at all. Maybe just acting like it to build cred, then continue sending the letter on future nights to others and have it be more believable it's genuine with nobody suspecting it was actually UB behind the letters all along.

i had a guess about people tinfoiling that, lmao

 

[Didi]

See
I told you Melodie GREEN and E X P O S E D

 

[Underworld Broker]

i thought Leeroy targeted you with that rolecrush? didnt he claim targeting you and it didnt work or smth? @is a

 

[Tiger]

Nova
Juan
Shark Skin
Melodie
A I Z E N
Didi

Final mafia should be here. If not, we have a deep wolf.

Nova needs to claim. Didi said the other day he can get himself vouched for. Might be a good plan @Didi

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

tfw my good post landed on the last post of the page good shit

 

[Oddjutsu]

The Steamwheedle Cartel and The Forsaken killed Dr. White (Jin'do the Hexxer)!
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1. novaselinenever - Claimed former Kirin Tor now Forsaken
2. Oddjutsu - Claimed Steamwheedle.
3. Juan - ?
4. Leeroy Jenkins - Claimed/Pseudo-confirmed Chromie (With Town Win Con).
5. Kvothe Kingkiller - Forsaken, likely.
6. A Optimistic - Confirmed Azerothian
7. is a - Confirmed Azerothian
8. Tiger - Claimed Steamwheedle.
9. Shark Skin - ?
10. Sworder - Forsaken, not Sylvanas.
11. Wild - Claimed Forsaken
12. Melodie - ? (Town points for the hunting of Platinum and Kira)
13. Nevan - ?
14. A I Z E N - ?
15. WPK - Confirmed Kirin Tor
16. Okosan - Confirmed Town (by me)
17. Oreki - Claimed Khaz'Modan. Lie detected as Town.
18. Underworld Broker - ? (Lie Detected as Town).
19. Expo - ?
20. Didi - ?
21. Poutanko - Confirmed Silver Hand
22. Ratchet - Confirmed Town Silver Hand

In this list we have approximately 3-5 scum left. Scarlet Crusade likely has two members left at most (Balnazzar + Herod?) while Gurubashi has 1, maybe two more left.

The only other possible scum would be a Katrana Prestor becoming Onyxia.

Can you please put me down as confirmed Steamwheedle

 

[Didi]

Nova
Juan
Shark Skin
Melodie
A I Z E N
Didi

Final mafia should be here. If not, we have a deep wolf.

Nova needs to claim. Didi said the other day he can get himself vouched for. Might be a good plan @Didi

I mean cmon Law
I said yesterday I could be vouched for
Then I also made a reply in which I knew all about the recruitment of Pou to the mason group

And then just earlier I made a post saying I was sure about Aizen being town



do I need to spell it out?

@poutanko back me up sis

 

[Tiger]

tfw my good post landed on the last post of the page good shit

If Nova claims and it's remotely legit, I am comfortable following a Melodie lynch.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Can you please put me down as confirmed Steamwheedle

i dont 100% confirm anyone without me knowing their name but you are 99% steamwheedle/town yea

 

[poutanko]

Did you guys forget about Nevan or something? why is he not on the list?