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So you're confirming that you used Flash and it cannot have been tampered with, correct? Just want to make sure you're stating that clearly.What if I used Flash? Why do you think it's just instinct?
ngl, i guess it sucks to get outed like that, especially since some people asked to check different targets but honestly speaking i didn't want to risk:
1. picking same targets as other claiming invests
2. picking someone who could be die at night
So you're confirming that you used Flash and it cannot have been tampered with, correct? Just want to make sure you're stating that clearly.
And your second line isn't even right because someone DID try to kill me overnight.
...Exactly, you'll just mark him for death and not bother thinking beyond a report. In a Faves game where reports are likely to be tampered. Just like how you were ready to charge in and execute Santi last phase and kill Ekko if it was wrong, before even bothering to find out anything beyond that.
No player will visit charles tonight if you flip town.@charles101 and @WolfPrinceKiba were marked for death! They will both be superkilled tonight. However, other players can visit them tonight disperse to the damage out among themselves and save them. Beware that those of you who choose to help them may take some damage in the process!
Just messing with you tbhThen why bother saying it?
I do agree that Bada not dying overnight is way too suspicious. Why would any townie intervene to save him? Makes zero sense.Yeah, nah, this Firestormer wagon needs to come to a grinding fucking hault before any more votes start piling on.
I'm not going to put all my chips on an investigation that was more likely than not to be tampered or misdirected.
We need to Lynch Bada right now.
-"You guys do know that these kind of investigations can be tampered with, right?".What else am I meant to say here Soul? I gave my role, was told that I'm getting lynched and can't stop it because my role isn't good enough (which it isn't, I have a shit role). If there is another option then sure, I'm happy to look into that path, but I am being told that I'm just dying so hey.
No go ahead and say it, confirm you used Flash. Confirm that it couldn't have been tampered with.Just messing with you tbh
You're right, I apologise. I was mostly just annoyed at Ratchet's responses and got heated sorry.I do agree that Bada not dying overnight is way too suspicious. Why would any townie intervene to save him? Makes zero sense.
Leaning towards voting for him, but we still have a long time to go.
-"You guys do know that these kind of investigations can be tampered with, right?".
-"Badalight is way more suspicious"
Hell, you could wait to see how the day phase goes, we aren't even a quarter through the phase's duration.
I think there are lots of things better than "lmao fuck me let's go play in traffic". That is just not productive.
No go ahead and say it, confirm you used Flash. Confirm that it couldn't have been tampered with.
Tsk.Unless more compelling information is put on the table, this should be the course we chart today.
so you can't say itfrom my pov, you're outed scum, why would i reveal to you if i have potential protection or not?
if i'm wrong, i'm dead
@Firestormer I don't really think I can be any fairer here.I can only work with the information I have. A lynch informed by a guilty investigation is far better than whatever it is we had done the first two days. I can live with the results. Ignoring the guilty investigation only for you to be scum is, in my estimation, the far worse play to make.
Now if someone has comparable mech suggesting that you're town, then we can rethink this. Until then, I'm asking you to consider this your last day phase. I will help you in whatever way you need me to, whether it be reading some players, or thoughts on posts made, or talking through hypotheticals together - anything I can do to assist your legacy, I will do. But the end result will be your lynch. So if you're town, you can either work with me to help make your last day as productive as it can be, or you can keep trying to make me feel bad for following the mechanically and procedurally correct path here. Your choice.
Why bother voting for yourself? If you don't do anything you get two votes against you.Then why bother saying it?
so you can't say it
We can, but consider this - Worm Juice was the most likely lynch today, so buffing your vote isn't really of any consequence. Moreover, why specifically buff your vote, as opposed to say Fang, or Prof, or Soul, and so on. He could be Town, yes. But I don't really see a way to ignore the guilty check.Tsk.
If nothing else, I can confirm that I was notified of having my vote power increased at the start of the dayphase.
I see no reason to do this as scum, Firestormer knew the exact numerical increase of my buff, and he's pinging me as tilting town here.
Can we please put some pressure on Bada?
because i was annoyed, like im not pretending it was with a smart interest in mind. that's why i already switched my vote to BadalightWhy bother voting for yourself? If you don't do anything you get two votes against you.
Voting for yourself is as pointless as it gets.
Is that really relevant when trying to determine his alignment here? The fact that his play may have been sub-optimal?We can, but consider this - Worm Juice was the most likely lynch today, so buffing your vote isn't really of any consequence. Moreover, why specifically buff your vote, as opposed to say Fang, or Prof, or Soul, and so on.
this is fair and i will admit that, sorry for being rude. ill try to scumhunt again after workI can only work with the information I have. A lynch informed by a guilty investigation is far better than whatever it is we had done the first two days. I can live with the results. Ignoring the guilty investigation only for you to be scum is, in my estimation, the far worse play to make.
Now if someone has comparable mech suggesting that you're town, then we can rethink this. Until then, I'm asking you to consider this your last day phase. I will help you in whatever way you need me to, whether it be reading some players, or thoughts on posts made, or talking through hypotheticals together - anything I can do to assist your legacy, I will do. But the end result will be your lynch. So if you're town, you can either work with me to help make your last day as productive as it can be, or you can keep trying to make me feel bad for following the mechanically and procedurally correct path here. Your choice.
You opined that it isn't very much like scum to buff your vote, what I'm saying is that the vote buff is nigh on meaningless given the likelihood of the wagon that gets lynched being sizeable.Is that really relevant when trying to determine his alignment here? The fact that his play may have been sub-optimal?
Idgi. What am I considering here?
I do agree that Ratchet can come off as intense and annoying, but that's just how he/she plays.You're right, I apologise. I was mostly just annoyed at Ratchet's responses and got heated sorry.
Well, I believe that him buffing Santi is pretty much the same as buffing Fang, since they seem to be aligned together.We can, but consider this - Worm Juice was the most likely lynch today, so buffing your vote isn't really of any consequence. Moreover, why specifically buff your vote, as opposed to say Fang, or Prof, or Soul, and so on.
This wasn't directed at me but I don't believe we are ignoring the guilty check:He could be Town, yes. But I don't really see a way to ignore the guilty check.
Fair enough.because i was annoyed, like im not pretending it was with a smart interest in mind. that's why i already switched my vote to Badalight
That's a weaker point, admittedly, but there was a very reasonable chance you died last night, generally lower activity and not the strongest clear in the game. I don't think it was the best choice to make, but if it were down to this alone I would not be thinking much more of it, to be honest.Like, at this point I've been cleared in 2-3 different ways.
Why am I a wrong choice?
No apology neccessary.this is fair and i will admit that, sorry for being rude. ill try to scumhunt again after work
I picked Santi to buff because I believed him yesterday and all the other clears are either dead, redirect lynched or Lord Melkor, who I'm sure is lovely but I wanted to buff Santi more.oh right, why not buffing LM? even if you don't trust me, santi apparently got inno on him too, so there're 2 people vouching for him
just a thought
it's like only mafia is active and they're controlling what town does because town is gonna town.Bada: You cannot kill me
Everyone: We're gonna try to kill you!
*kills fail*
Everyone: Omg sus!!!!!
Jfc
@Fang Didn't you have an alignment check on me today?
Also, my actions got redirect last night from Iwan to firestormer, if it's any consolation.
oh, well i guess that would explain the guilty and the kill on me lolBada: You cannot kill me
Everyone: We're gonna try to kill you!
*kills fail*
Everyone: Omg sus!!!!!
Jfc
@Fang Didn't you have an alignment check on me today?
Also, my actions got redirect last night from Iwan to firestormer, if it's any consolation.
Depends on if it's a busdrive or a reflect/redirect. If actions targeting Iwan hit Firestormer, that doesn't mean the same must be true versa. However, it does mean we should extract a claim from Iwan.To me it sounds like stuff hitting iwan was all redirected to firestormer, hence the guilty verdict would actually be on Iwan would it not?
That is a possibility perhaps.
All actions have not gone onto Badalight. That said, Rej protecting Ekko is strange. Not sure if Scummy.we have not pushed ekko AT ALL every lynch he lead that lead to a kill ended up being a townie. we can not listen to him anymore instead we need to push him. and ask rej why he protected him despite all actions going on badalight
Rej is very likely to be town then lolall I know is rej protected ekko despite everyone targeting badalight with a kill
Of all the people who could use pushing right now, Ekko is not one of them. And a lot of Ekko’s scum reads look pretty good rn.we have not pushed ekko AT ALL every lynch he lead that lead to a kill ended up being a townie. we can not listen to him anymore instead we need to push him. and ask rej why he protected him despite all actions going on badalight
Don't pretend like it was just kills that failed.Bada: You cannot kill me
Everyone: We're gonna try to kill you!
*kills fail*
Everyone: Omg sus!!!!!
Jfc
combining his lack of lynching scum with rej protecting him is sus as fuckAll actions have not gone onto Badalight. That said, Rej protecting Ekko is strange. Not sure if Scummy.
you're now on my list, every successful lynch he did was a townie he has not found a single scum.Rej is very likely to be town then lol
Of all the people who could use pushing right now, Ekko is not one of them. And a lot of Ekko’s scum reads look pretty good rn.
I was role-blocked so my investigation is on pause on you.Bada: You cannot kill me
Everyone: We're gonna try to kill you!
*kills fail*
Everyone: Omg sus!!!!!
Jfc
@Fang Didn't you have an alignment check on me today?
Also, my actions got redirect last night from Iwan to firestormer, if it's any consolation.
Which lynches do you blame him for leading exactly?combining his lack of lynching scum with rej protecting him is sus as fuck
you're now on my list, every successful lynch he did was a townie he has not found a single scum.
Nobody has lynched Scum. I do not intend to defend Ekko here, he has played a particularly poor game to date and also is playing closer to Scum than Town IMO (@DrProfessor83 I will need you to reconcile the Ekko town read more to me), but it is not fair to push the lack of scum flips solely onto his doorstep. In fact, it makes you look scummier, because you haven't lynched any scum either.combining his lack of lynching scum with rej protecting him is sus as fuck
You can place your vote on Iwan for now.
Mechanically I know him to be town.Nobody has lynched Scum. I do not intend to defend Ekko here, he has played a particularly poor game to date and also is playing closer to Scum than Town IMO (@DrProfessor83 I will need you to reconcile the Ekko town read more to me), but it is not fair to push the lack of scum flips solely onto his doorstep. In fact, it makes you look scummier, because you haven't lynched any scum either.
Right. Well that's that then. I will get an updated reads list posted today to reflect this new information.Mechanically I know him to be town.
Which means barring Rej being redirected or bus driven into accidentally protecting him, Rej is almost for sure town.Right. Well that's that then. I will get an updated reads list posted today to reflect this new information.
the ones he pushed. There is no proof he has good scum reads since we never found any scum and no investigating went through to say he is doing good is silly.Which lynches do you blame him for leading exactly?
And who do you think are scum right now?
he's doing it to me, IN FACT he started off by calling me scum for voting didi, then voted for didi and still calls me scum he is yoyoing his reasoning for calling me scum, and when we see people like professor83 saying he has good reads, I have to point it out.Nobody has lynched Scum. I do not intend to defend Ekko here, he has played a particularly poor game to date and also is playing closer to Scum than Town IMO (@DrProfessor83 I will need you to reconcile the Ekko town read more to me), but it is not fair to push the lack of scum flips solely onto his doorstep. In fact, it makes you look scummier, because you haven't lynched any scum either.
I am at the point where I have information and I want to push it.You can place your vote on Iwan for now.
Yes and which are those lolthe ones he pushed.
Mechanically I know him to be town.
this is favorites non godfathers can be read as town, and their are god fathers, and as you jsut said about rej being bused you could have been bused.Right. Well that's that then. I will get an updated reads list posted today to reflect this new information.
go back and look I don't have time for this shit. he played a fucking poor game.Yes and which are those lol
I think at this point in time he has good reads yes (Sin/Didi/Firestormer etc)saying he has good reads
he first called me scum because I was one of the first people to fucking vote for didi, and now he thinks didi is scum I am still scum.I think at this point in time he has good reads yes (Sin/Didi/Firestormer etc)
Yes.Which means barring Rej being redirected or bus driven into accidentally protecting him, Rej is almost for sure town.
You haven't been lynched though. And I agree his reads have not been very well reasoned, but that doesn't mean he's outright scum.he's doing it to me, IN FACT he started off by calling me scum for voting didi, then voted for didi and still calls me scum he is yoyoing his reasoning for calling me scum, and when we see people like professor83 saying he has good reads, I have to point it out.
The information you have put forth is not going to outweigh a guilty check here. A vote on Rej (and not Ekko?) here may as well be openly saying you don't want to be lynchable tomorrow. I suggest you correct that position in due haste.I am at the point where I have information and I want to push it.
The burden of proof is on you. I don’t remember him being the driving force for Plat, Xaldin, or Odd.go back and look I don't have time for this shit. he played a fucking poor game.
Which is what?I am at the point where I have information and I want to push it.
Prof just said "mechanically". He did not specify which mechanics. I assume, given that he got burned by covering for a Godfather in a previous game, he is aware of exactly how fallible his information is. It does not make Ekko confirmed town, but it's a vouch by a player who should be Town, and that is enough for now.this is favorites non godfathers can be read as town, and their are god fathers, and as you jsut said about rej being bused you could have been bused.
We can say this about nearly everyone. It's not a convincing argument.go back and look I don't have time for this shit. he played a fucking poor game.
I can fix someone not being lynchableYes.
You haven't been lynched though. And I agree his reads have not been very well reasoned, but that doesn't mean he's outright scum.
The information you have put forth is not going to outweigh a guilty check here. A vote on Rej (and not Ekko?) here may as well be openly saying you don't want to be lynchable tomorrow. I suggest you correct that position in due haste.
rej did a protect ability on ekko. ekko wouldn't be a kill target for mafia since his reads are not the bestWhich is what?
If I ever die consider him hard confirmed.Prof just said "mechanically". He did not specify which mechanics. I assume, given that he got burned by covering for a Godfather in a previous game, he is aware of exactly how fallible his information is. It does not make Ekko confirmed town, but it's a vouch by a player who should be Town, and that is enough for now.
We can say this about nearly everyone. It's not a convincing argument.
honestly I am annoyed with the mechanics on this thread. I tried to look for rej posts but they didn't show upWe can say this about nearly everyone. It's not a convincing argument.
I was role-blocked so my investigation is on pause on you.
If this is the case, why have you not used this on Badalight for example? Nevermind, your claim is easily veritable. Not town-clearing, but whatever.I can fix someone not being lynchable
Will depend on what you flip with. Unless you mean hard confirmed scum? Otherwise, obvious I'd read your flip? What?If I ever die consider him hard confirmed.
because it's situational I couldn't at that time(I think) I also was distracted with irl stuffIf this is the case, why have you not used this on Badalight for example? Nevermind, your claim is easily veritable. Not town-clearing, but whatever.
Will depend on what you flip with. Unless you mean hard confirmed scum? Otherwise, obvious I'd read your flip? What?
You think so? I think Town has a lot of thread control here and Scum are keeping their heads a tick lower and hoping Town keep missing the forest for the trees. I am not remotely concerned about deep wolves here.take that back
scum have been playing well
Don't worry about it, if I die, most likely you'll still be potentially lynched anyways as a policy vote most likely given both you and Ekko are likely the next best candidates.rip
scum keeping me sus ;(
Interesting. And Rej is barely posting so they are coasting though Ekko could be POTENTIALLY town but Rej is using them as an excuse to throw off anyone from their trail by doing a protect on a hostile town player if someone watches them.I can fix someone not being lynchable
rej did a protect ability on ekko. ekko wouldn't be a kill target for mafia since his reads are not the best
There should be the ability to heal from it.And since I’m poisoned that could be soon lol. 2 days if I understand right.
I see.because it's situational I couldn't at that time(I think) I also was distracted with irl stuff
Fairly unlikely, really.Don't worry about it, if I die, most likely you'll still be potentially lynched anyways as a policy vote most likely given both you and Ekko are likely the next best candidates.
Interesting. And Rej is barely posting so they are coasting though Ekko could be POTENTIALLY town but Rej is using them as an excuse to throw off anyone from their trail by doing a protect on a hostile town player if someone watches them.