Game Favorites '22 - GROUP 2

[charles101]

Uhm, did you read my post? I said my action hit firestormer instead of Iwan, as confirmed by mod pm. Dunno how many times I have to say it.

Even if you were redirected, question is, why would Shizune say you who were you redirected at? That would mean i also hit someone else and I didn't get this information. Why would you get this information and I wouldn't?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

I've already revealed everything I have Badalight lol. Like I'll post my entire role sure:

I am Amala or w/e Doja Cat's rep in this game is idr the name, it is purely vote power based. Each phase I can mark someone and permanently increase my vote power by 1, and the person I mark matches my vote power for 2 phases. I'm at 4 vote power atm.

My one shot upgrades that ability, so I get to target 2 people at once and get 2 extra vote power permanently per target, and my targets match my vote power for 3 days instead. That's my entire role.

Better hope there's not a Death Note style ability in the game

 

[charles101]

Why not test it on Iwandesu? If he flips scum then it'll likely prove Badalight's claim of redirects from Iwandesu to me and hopefully clear me somewhat, and if he flips town then all you lose is Iwandesu.

How many scums are there? 8? 10? We'll keep lynching towns to check things and they'll reach majority

 

[Firestormer]

Better hope there's not a Death Note style ability in the game

Dude a death note mechanic wishes it could be as detrimental to town as our actual town is

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Both Firestormer and SinRaven have Guilties against them, I obviously know you lynch confirmed scum over not confirmed scum so that's not necessary. I have not caught up on the thread so I missed it.

I am fine with Sin being the lynch.

I see. I did read charlie invest result on Firestormer thing but there were hiccups there about Iwn thing or something. Not that i believe Badalight, rather i think Firestormer is actually guilty but I'd trust my own results over anyone else.

Another thing it seems host would tell us if we were redirected or something, i was told SinRaven is guilty not that my target is guilty so yeah feel very good about this.

 

[Firestormer]

How many scums are there? 8? 10? We'll keep lynching towns to check things and they'll reach majority

Oh don't worry I know you'll keep lynching towns

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I think Santi was also vouching for Fire over vote thing if I'm not wrong Ratchet

 

[Badalight]

How strong your role is, if that's really the case & you are indeed super strong Townie why haven't ya helped town in any manner by now?

Also abilities keep coming out in bits, didn't i ask ya before for your claim and abilities? Don't hide anything from us if you are townie, come out clean would help save townies abilities and kills.

Well, my n1 action was defensive. My n2 action was offensive but nitty didn't process it. I used 2 offensive skills n3 and nitty didn't process the first one and the second bounced off and hit the wrong target.

Can't reveal how the abilities work or else scum can easily avoid it, so no. But generally what I can do is pretty obviously out there at this point.

Even if you were redirected, question is, why would Shizune say you who were you redirected at? That would mean i also hit someone else and I didn't get this information. Why would you get this information and I wouldn't?

I have no clue my dude. Only Nitty can answer that. It's possible you weren't redirected. I have no fucking clue. I don't even know if you're being honest or not. All I know is that my action was redirected from Iwan to Firestormer. Those exact words.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I've already revealed everything I have Badalight lol. Like I'll post my entire role sure:

I am Amala or w/e Doja Cat's rep in this game is idr the name, it is purely vote power based. Each phase I can mark someone and permanently increase my vote power by 1, and the person I mark matches my vote power for 2 phases. I'm at 4 vote power atm.

My one shot upgrades that ability, so I get to target 2 people at once and get 2 extra vote power permanently per target, and my targets match my vote power for 3 days instead. That's my entire role.

Anddd You are claiming town, not Indie?

 

[Firestormer]

Anddd You are claiming town, not Indie?

Yes, I am town.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Even if you were redirected, question is, why would Shizune say you who were you redirected at? That would mean i also hit someone else and I didn't get this information. Why would you get this information and I wouldn't?

Charles host apparently tell us that,

 

[Badalight]

the trick is that there are no mafia in this game

 

[Lind]

So let me just get all the invest clears here:
Santi, Hammer, Kira, Jw - Innocent.
Sin and Firestormer - guilty

[Vote Lynch Sinraven]

To me it sounds like stuff hitting iwan was all redirected to firestormer, hence the guilty verdict would actually be on Iwan would it not?

That is a possibility perhaps.

I am really confused here. Redirected means that your action affected someone else, correct? So how would it be on Iwan?

also where the fuck is lind? Abandoned us for the other group?

Group 1 is more fun

I doubt that.
Don't listen to him, talk it over with Host.

I think what Bada means is that even if kills target him, then he'll survive due to [Innate] or [Passive] abilities. Does a Flash only guarantee an ability hitting the target, or definitely working on the target bypassing passives and innates?

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Another thing it seems host would tell us if we were redirected or something, i was told SinRaven is guilty not that my target is guilty so yeah feel very good about this.

Actually now I'm thinking @charles101 invest results should've been told same manner.

 

[Ratchet]

Actually now I'm thinking @charles101 invest results should've been told same manner.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Change Vote Lynch SinRaven @Shizune

 

[Lind]

Even if you were redirected, question is, why would Shizune say you who were you redirected at? That would mean i also hit someone else and I didn't get this information. Why would you get this information and I wouldn't?

This happened in Group 1. Basically there was a huge nexus with many players being redirected at night. And yes, Nitty tells you who you were redirected to.

Well, my n1 action was defensive. My n2 action was offensive but nitty didn't process it. I used 2 offensive skills n3 and nitty didn't process the first one and the second bounced off and hit the wrong target.

Okay, so the first offensive ability wasn't processed and you say you're second one was processed and hit Iwan?

Then there's definitely a contradiction with yours and Juan's claim. Juan said he knows for a fact that you weren't redirected.

 

[Ratchet]

This happened in Group 1. Basically there was a huge nexus with many players being redirected at night. And yes, Nitty tells you who you were redirected to.

Yes, but as Yo Tan just pointed out, the fact that Charlie was not told this means we can rule out redirection.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

So let me just get all the invest clears here:
Santi, Hammer, Kira, Jw - Innocent.
Sin and Firestormer - guilty

Linda we should keep track of results by players that cleared them so players know whch result are trustable.

Town
Kira Hammer Santi JW - Didi
? - Santi
Ekko- Prof
Dr Prof, Didi, Melkor as per Braxio watch results.
Lord Melkor - Fang
? - Charlie

Scum
Sin Raven- Yo
Firestormer- Charlie

 

[Ratchet]

Kira Hammer Santi JW - Didi

This is a bit concerning - why are scum allowing Didi to check and clear mostly PoE slots?

 

[Didi]

This is a bit concerning - why are scum allowing Didi to check and clear mostly PoE slots?

this is why I'm concerned that I might be being fucked with

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

This is a bit concerning - why are scum allowing Didi to check and clear mostly PoE slots?

Scum would rather kill tilted WPK whose abilities aren't doing jack then off supposed best NF player Didi whose abilities are worthwhile, and who clearly has some good defenses based off his own statements and my confirming that my kill did nothing to him.

Makes you wonder.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I think what Bada means is that even if kills target him, then he'll survive due to [Innate] or [Passive] abilities. Does a Flash only guarantee an ability hitting the target, or definitely working on the target bypassing passives and innates?

I don't have kill shots so i didn't enquire that much but yes Protects are useless against Flash.

Innates might be an exception maybe,

 

[Lind]

[Vote Execute WormJuice]

Yes, but as Yo Tan just pointed out, the fact that Charlie was not told this means we can rule out redirection.

Huh, so Sin and Firestormer are both just guilty here then.

Honestly, looking at Firestormer's claim, his vote power increases as well by marking someone. So it does seem like a good tactic to use on a player revealed innocent mechanically while benefitting at the same time.

 

[Ratchet]

Scum would rather kill tilted WPK whose abilities aren't doing jack then off supposed best NF player Didi whose abilities are worthwhile, and who clearly has some good defenses based off his own statements and my confirming that my kill did nothing to him.

Makes you wonder.

Right.

 

[Didi]

Scum would rather kill tilted WPK whose abilities aren't doing jack then off supposed best NF player Didi whose abilities are worthwhile, and who clearly has some good defenses based off his own statements and my confirming that my kill did nothing to him.

Makes you wonder.

maybe I really am a naive cop and they somehow know it

fml

 

[Lind]

this is why I'm concerned that I might be being fucked with

- Okay, if you were redirected, you'd be told that by the host.
- If you think you're being screwed with, do you think you're getting opposite results from what you're supposed to?

And who do you suspect from the players you've "cleared" if that's the case?

 

[Badalight]

This happened in Group 1. Basically there was a huge nexus with many players being redirected at night. And yes, Nitty tells you who you were redirected to.


Okay, so the first offensive ability wasn't processed and you say you're second one was processed and hit Iwan?

Then there's definitely a contradiction with yours and Juan's claim. Juan said he knows for a fact that you weren't redirected.

No. My first was not processed, and Nitty basically confirmed this in the thread. My second was process but it was "redirected" (yes, it literally said redirected) and hit firestormer. FS also confirmed they were hit by something.

So no I am definitely not lying.

Let me be clear. I sent in a roleblock on Iwan as my first action. That did not get process. Nitty said processing that action wouldn't have done anything. To me, that means that it wasn't Iwan who redirected but an ability someone put on Iwan. That's what I was considering possible FS/Iwan stuff being flipped. However, Charles saying he did not get confirmation of a redirection makes that possibility moot as well.

So the only explanation left is that someone just turned Iwan into a nexus and it happened to hit FS.

As for Charles' results... I have no clue. And as to what Juan is talking about... again no idea. They are either scum, lying, or not thinking about the possibilities of what may have happened.

 

[Didi]

- Okay, if you were redirected, you'd be told that by the host.
- If you think you're being screwed with, do you think you're getting opposite results from what you're supposed to?

And who do you suspect from the players you've "cleared" if that's the case?

none of my invests have been redirected

if I had to rank my invests based on scumminess I'd say Hammer > JW > Kira > Santi

 

[charles101]

I don't trust it. I've never seen a scum role that hands out temporary vote power to players of their choice (because the lynch is town's tool to use, not theirs).

Just on the type of power he has alone, he's more likely to be pro-town than I am.

Who told you all you get is extra points? Maybe they Control your abilities or exchanged extra vote for rolecop or anything. I have active ability to give scum extra vote power and protection to gain something from that. It's not weird at all.

[Vote lynch Worm Juice]
[Vote execute Iwandesu]

So... Let's not modkill outed scum who survived Lynch already. Noted

I checked John actually
I got innocent

but I got innocent on all my checks so far so I'm starting to trust my own ability less and less

Who else did you check?

have no clue my dude

That's not answer i'm expecting. I was told person i picked, Firestormer is guilty, if she's telling truth to you, she's lying to me.

Charles host apparently tell us that,

Yes, but as Yo Tan just pointed out, the fact that Charlie was not told this means we can rule out redirection.

I was told that. Literally I've learned that @Firestormer is guilty

Isn't it just that i'm being told what my target is? Can't turn off color on mobile, idk why

 

[Lind]

none of my invests have been redirected

if I had to rank my invests based on scumminess I'd say Hammer > JW > Kira > Santi

Nah, don't think Kira is scum here.

He explicitly brought attention to Worm Juice on day 1 and never changed his vote off from worm juice. And if scum were willing to blow off a lynch redirect to save Worm Juice last phase, I doubt Kira would just leave his vote hanging on Worm Juice day 1 when Plat was only lynched by 2 votes over Worm juice.

 

[Didi]

Nah, don't think Kira is scum here.

He explicitly brought attention to Worm Juice on day 1 and never changed his vote off from worm juice. And if scum were willing to blow off a lynch redirect to save Worm Juice last phase, I doubt Kira would just leave his vote hanging on Worm Juice day 1 when Plat was only lynched by 2 votes over Worm juice.

I agree
but Santi has more actions associated with him being town from several people
that's why I put him highest

 

[Shizune]

Just a reminder about redirections, as it says in the "foreword," you are only told when non-investigative abilities are redirected. If your investigative ability is redirected, you won't be told about it, you'll simply get the wrong result.

 

[Firestormer]

Amazing

 

[Didi]

Just a reminder about redirections, as it says in the "foreword," you are only told when non-investigative abilities are redirected. If your investigative ability is redirected, you won't be told about it, you'll simply get the wrong result.

 

[Badalight]

Well based on that nugget of info that I totally didn't miss/forget, it is possible for both I and Charles to be correct in what we're saying.

 

[Badalight]

but also @Firestormer why did you give santi voting power

 

[Lind]

I agree
but Santi has more actions associated with him being town from several people
that's why I put him highest

Oh okay. Well, in your list I agree with Hammer being first. We can off and I wouldn't mind tbh.

No. My first was not processed, and Nitty basically confirmed this in the thread. My second was process but it was "redirected" (yes, it literally said redirected) and hit firestormer. FS also confirmed they were hit by something.

So no I am definitely not lying.

Let me be clear. I sent in a roleblock on Iwan as my first action. That did not get process. Nitty said processing that action wouldn't have done anything. To me, that means that it wasn't Iwan who redirected but an ability someone put on Iwan. That's what I was considering possible FS/Iwan stuff being flipped. However, Charles saying he did not get confirmation of a redirection makes that possibility moot as well.

So the only explanation left is that someone just turned Iwan into a nexus and it happened to hit FS.

As for Charles' results... I have no clue. And as to what Juan is talking about... again no idea. They are either scum, lying, or not thinking about the possibilities of what may have happened.

Again, I don't think an action that was never processed would be redirected. Maybe I'm just understanding this incorrectly.

Your claim is actually very confusing lol.

 

[Badalight]

Oh okay. Well, in your list I agree with Hammer being first. We can off and I wouldn't mind tbh.


Again, I don't think an action that was never processed would be redirected. Maybe I'm just understanding this incorrectly.

Your claim is actually very confusing lol.

omg Lind

TWO ACTIONS

- first one was not processed (confirmed by Nitty in thread)

- second one was processed and was redirected and hit FS (kinda confirmed by FS)

I don't know how much clearer I can be

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Just a reminder about redirections, as it says in the "foreword," you are only told when non-investigative abilities are redirected. If your investigative ability is redirected, you won't be told about it, you'll simply get the wrong result.

Well that changes things,

 

[hammer]

I've been totally open about my abilities I don't know what you guys expect

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

It seems Badalight managed to fool my senses.. lightly feeling he could still be townie

But brain says never... Can we get rid of him asap

 

[Lind]

omg Lind

TWO ACTIONS

- first one was not processed (confirmed by Nitty in thread)

- second one was processed and was redirected and hit FS (kinda confirmed by FS)

I don't know how much clearer I can be

This is what I understood it as the first time lmao.

Then you said that your first action couldn't have been redirected even if it wasn't processed because of an ability someone put on Iwan so that confused me.

Alright I got it now.

 

[Lind]

It seems Badalight managed to fool my senses.. lightly feeling he could still be townie

But brain says never... Can we get rid of him asap

I too am feeling he can be town. In fact he got townie points from me on day 1 for being honest and straightforward with his thoughts.

So I guess it's easier for me to see him as town since I previously did. I just hope he votes on the main wagon today as well.

 

[charles101]

That still leaves one thing. Why would scum bus driver scum iwan with Firestormer? Why not Melkor, or Fang or whoever. FS was null at best, why bus driver your scummate with someone who may be investigated or even shoot?

 

[Lind]

I've been totally open about my abilities I don't know what you guys expect

Maybe stop tunneling on Ekko and focus else where as well. At least Rej is a start since he's a new name you've mentioned.

Who else?

 

[Badalight]

This is what I understood it as the first time lmao.

Then you said that your first action couldn't have been redirected even if it wasn't processed because of an ability someone put on Iwan so that confused me.

Alright I got it now.

I was just bringing up possibilities of what happened. Nitty said processing that ability wouldn't have really changed anything. Because of that I mentioned it was a roleblock. A roleblock WOULD have changed things if we assume the redirect was one of Iwan's abilities he used on himself, because that means he would've been roleblocked and then hit with my second ability instead of it being redirected. However, due to what was said, we have to assume the redirect came from elsewhere.

 

[hammer]

Maybe stop tunneling on Ekko and focus else where as well. At least Rej is a start since he's a new name you've mentioned.

Who else?

maybe I will stop when he stops tunneling me

 

[Badalight]

That still leaves one thing. Why would scum bus driver scum iwan with Firestormer? Why not Melkor, or Fang or whoever. FS was null at best, why bus driver your scummate with someone who may be investigated or even shoot?

You are discounting...

1) It's possible you weren't tampered with at all
2) it's possible you were tampered with in a completely different way that has nothing to do with the Iwan stuff

 

[Juan]

can we pls just off badalight oh my god

 

[Badalight]

can we pls just off badalight oh my god

you are literally lying about what you said earlier so no (or not thinking through the various possibilities)

if anyone has to go it's you, but tbh you're like 10th in line at this point. We doing SR and WJ.

 

[charles101]

You are discounting...

1) It's possible you weren't tampered with at all
2) it's possible you were tampered with in a completely different way that has nothing to do with the Iwan stuff

You've spend entire DP defending Firestormer. I Hope players from G1 are seeing it

 

[Juan]

you are literally lying about what you said earlier

lol what fucking reason do i have to lie

 

[Badalight]

You've spend entire DP defending Firestormer. I Hope players from G1 are seeing it

If you think this you are not paying attention. Like, the fucking post you just quoted literally starts with "it is possible you weren't tampered with" ergo me saying it possible that FS is scum.

Like wat.

 

[Badalight]

lol what fucking reason do i have to lie

I have no idea, which is why that whole thing was very confusing to me. It seems like it would be a bad play as scum especially because scum still have to deal with the other thread eventually. So really I just have to assume you are not thinking through all of the possibilities.

 

[charles101]

If you think this you are not paying attention. Like, the fucking post you just quoted literally starts with "it is possible you weren't tampered with" ergo me saying it possible that FS is scum.

Like wat.

And second part says i was.

Check out your other posts

 

[Firestormer]

Did the redirect play work charles? Because it seems like it worked exactly as mafia hoped and they got their village idiot to parade the town for them. So why are you still doing this when even the host was forced to come out and say it could easily be tampered?

 

[Badalight]

And second part says i was.

Check out your other posts

Mate I am outlining all of the possibilities here. It does us no good to be close minded and think only one possible thing could have happened. That's how you get into trouble. You never even considered the possibility of your result being tampered with until I said something. I don't know FS's alignment but it's putting the cart before the horse to just assume there is only 1 explanation.

 

[Badalight]

And yes, this applies to every single alignment check so far, not just yours. The only reason I am more suspicious of yours in particular is based on what happened with my own actions. It makes yours slightly less believable than the others. Not like I have blind faith in YTW's either, but that is where my vote currently lies.

 

[charles101]

I mean, it's obvious for me that mafia does all they can to save FS. Good thing is that I flip tonight, bad thing is that that doesn't matter until game's merged

 

[Badalight]

I mean, it's obvious for me that mafia does all they can to save FS. Good thing is that I flip tonight, bad thing is that that doesn't matter until game's merged

This is also a possibility, as I said. I'm not the one closing off lines of thinking here, but it sounds like you are.

 

[charles101]

And yes, this applies to every single alignment check so far, not just yours. The only reason I am more suspicious of yours in particular is based on what happened with my own actions. It makes yours slightly less believable than the others. Not like I have blind faith in YTW's either, but that is where my vote currently lies.

Imagine you're scum. Are you going to bus drive FS? Are you going to redirect me instead of vigilante?

Firestormer got caught. Sucks to be him since he was coasting so far, but that's it. He even voted against WJ execution today. He's openscumming.

 

[Firestormer]

Stop bothering trying to make him understand difficult concepts like vote tampering or counting past 6, he's not going to grasp it.

 

[charles101]

Stop bothering trying to make him understand difficult concepts like vote tampering or counting past 6, he's not going to grasp it.

Of shut up

 

[Firestormer]

I'm not going to, if you want to be a closed-minded oaf you're going to be treated like one

 

[charles101]

I'm not going to, if you want to be a closed-minded oaf you're going to be treated like one

You are scum and your reaction confirmed you're scum. Your actions later on confirmed you're scum. You're scum.

 

[Firestormer]

And the reason people believed your claim so quickly, by their own admission, is because they think you're a moron incapable of making a play like this as scum.

 

[Badalight]

 

[charles101]

And the reason people believed your claim so quickly, by their own admission, is because they think you're a moron incapable of making a play like this as scum.

You got caught, be salty all you want but who knows, maybe don't try being a dickhead? I can't shoot you tonight anyway, i'm not vigilante

 

[charles101]

Btw, funny isn't it? Day starts:
>everyone and their mother "Bada is scum",
>me "I got guilty result on FS",
>Bada *defending FS",
>...
>

 

[Ratchet]

you are literally lying about what you said earlier so no (or not thinking through the various possibilities)

if anyone has to go it's you, but tbh you're like 10th in line at this point. We doing SR and WJ.

You are not really in a position to be making these calls here.

 

[Badalight]

You are not really in a position to be making these calls here.

That's where the votes are currently. It's not my call.

 

[Badalight]

Btw, funny isn't it? Day starts:
>everyone and their mother "Bada is scum",
>me "I got guilty result on FS",
>Bada *defending FS",
>...
>

Not defending, giving plausible alternate explanations.

 

[Rej]

what was the interactions between rej and ekko like

an attempt to find each other's town selves
Ekko looked like town to me, the more obnoxious he is towards players the more likely he is town lol

I am still catching up and I agree that chasing the guilty check here is correct

I am sadly role AND vote blocked which is unfortunate, I have been pretty mch gangbanged at night

anyway:

[vote lynch Firestormer]
[vote execute WormJuice]

I am still catching up, I am on 114, just voting in case it will still work somehow

 

[charles101]

Imagine you're scum. Are you going to bus drive FS? Are you going to redirect me instead of vigilante?

Can you answer that? x2

Not defending, giving plausible alternate explanations.

Looks more like looking for excuses to me

 

[Ratchet]

you are literally lying about what you said earlier so no (or not thinking through the various possibilities)

if anyone has to go it's you, but tbh you're like 10th in line at this point. We doing SR and WJ.

I'm referring to the bolded, to be clear. Will you be voting the wagon today?

 

[Ratchet]

an attempt to find each other's town selves
Ekko looked like town to me, the more obnoxious he is towards players the more likely he is town lol

I am still catching up and I agree that chasing the guilty check here is correct

I am sadly role AND vote blocked which is unfortunate, I have been pretty mch gangbanged at night

anyway:

[vote lynch Firestormer]
[vote execute WormJuice]

I am still catching up, I am on 114, just voting in case it will still work somehow

Change your lynch to SinRaven.

 

[Rej]

all I know is rej protected ekko despite everyone targeting badalight with a kill

are you dumb? why you out the doctor?

guys, this one here is scum!

 

[Rej]

Change your lynch to SinRaven.

my vote doesn't count anyway, does it have to be now or can I catch up first?

 

[charles101]

Change your lynch to SinRaven.

I mean sure, Yo's results (mech) seems legit. More than anyone's else. But for me being selfish lil bitch, don't you think IT would be wise to learn if i should be protected tonight or not?