Game Favorites '22 - GROUP 2

[charles101]

my vote doesn't count anyway, does it have to be now or can I catch up first?

You have like 7 hours left

 

[Badalight]

I'm referring to the bolded, to be clear. Will you be voting the wagon today?

I already did mate.

 

[Firestormer]

[Vote lynch SinRaven]

I doubt the execute will happen on WJ just based on prior history with executions and activity, but clearly that is not an opinion shared by others so I won't bother trying to push it further and will just fall in line and vote here

 

[charles101]

I doubt the execute will happen on WJ just based on prior history with executions and activity, but clearly that is not an opinion shared by others so I won't bother trying to push it further and will just fall in line and vote here

Why do you think it won't work? TMI?

 

[Rej]

I can fix someone not being lynchable

rej did a protect ability on ekko. ekko wouldn't be a kill target for mafia since his reads are not the best

first of all, we are not in a multilball so why should I be a scum doctor?
as for why I targetted Ekko:
I dunno who else to protect and I'd prefer him alive to generate a mess. I am not only a doctor tho, I can make people unstoppable and I can watch them, but I have no results for that because my targets were weak targets.

also I find messes created by Ekko sometimes beneficial because the mess he creates is always solveable aslong you have some braincells left

so yeah, I wanted Ekko to make it until the merge, he can be used as tool for town even if his alignment may be whatever

the play was carrying me and Ekko through the night while sitting on WormJuice because WormJuice was my main scumread since D1

to my defense: I wanted to shift my protect away from Ekko but I only have a set of abilities and they have one night of cooldown, so I had to change the rotation now midway, if it were for me I'd prefer to make Ekko unstoppable or watch him and then target someone else to protect, someone who has echanics backing them. But my role works using a "rotation system".

 

[Firestormer]

Why do you think it won't work? TMI?

because it hasn't in group 1 when active players got executed over inactive players, as i already said

 

[Badalight]

Rej's claim is very believable to me for reasons I will not specify (ability wise, I mean).

 

[charles101]

because it hasn't in group 1 when active players got executed over inactive players, as i already said

wat, then what's the point of him being up for execution

that being said, he's not been active lately so it should work

 

[Badalight]

nitty feels bad for us

it'll work

 

[Rej]

did rej ability claim?

no, you did it for me

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

first of all, we are not in a multilball so why should I be a scum doctor?

1. We are in a multiball once threads merge

2. Scum doctors don't only exist in multiball, if town has a vig/multiple killing abilities that can be enough to warrant a scum doctor

 

[Ratchet]

I mean sure, Yo's results (mech) seems legit. More than anyone's else. But for me being selfish lil bitch, don't you think IT would be wise to learn if i should be protected tonight or not?

You probably should be anyway, no scum handles this how you have.

 

[Badalight]

maybe it's just all the players up for execution who are mafia

WJ, Iwan, Melodie, Sworder

maybe we got 4 right there!

 

[Rej]

Is Badalight spewed town? because I had that feeling earlier, he insisted on the consistency of his claims

page 18 btw

[vote lynch SinRaven]

remember I am voteblocked today

 

[Rej]

as for who I watched N2, it was John Wayne and noone visitted him

I had a slight town gut on him and maybe he would have been a freekill or so
also protecting Ekko is mostly so he can't be spited, I know that spite exists here

 

[charles101]

You probably should be anyway, no scum handles this how you have.

How likely do you think all of WJ, FS, Bada and Raven are scummates, btw?

 

[Firestormer]

wat, then what's the point of him being up for execution

that being said, he's not been active lately so it should work

Execution leaderboard

Revan - 7
Cooler - 7

Both @Revan Reborn and @Cooler showed up to promise activity down the line today, so I am not going to execute either of them.

@Sallucion will be executed instead.

@Underworld Broker will be lynched.
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In case you decide that I'm again open scumming by claiming this. Worm Juice is also not in the bottom 4 alive posters any more, so they've done enough to overtake some people during this phase. Obviously I hope WJ is executed but thinking on history it's not the most realistic result.

 

[Rej]

What's a legacy read?

[Vote Lynch SinRaven]
[Vote Execute Sworder]

it's when you are lynched and town, give your last reads so town has something to work with, try to put as much TMI you have into the reads, try to put the best you have into your legacy reads, sometimes they can end up being biased, but legacy reads are better than nothing
if you end up being right as lynched townie, then that is a true legacy and you become a legacy player

 

[Rej]

We haven't found a successful lynch we need to take a step back before just dumping our lynches on someone.

the thing is there must be scum within the active players, ofc there is scum within the LHFs, but what does it bring going after LHFs instead of finding the scum midst the actives? that is not how you play a PoE game

 

[Firestormer]

In case you decide that I'm again open scumming by claiming this. Worm Juice is also not in the bottom 4 alive posters any more, so they've done enough to overtake some people during this phase. Obviously I hope WJ is executed but thinking on history it's not the most realistic result.

It should also be added that Cooler has 16 posts and Revan has 10 posts, a full cycle after that phase ended and they were spared for promised activity. Worm Juice has 49 posts.

 

[Rej]

page 120 - Worm Juice is a new player? I mean that plays into the newbie mistakes D1 kek
I didn't knew this but I also don't feel like backing up on my take now, this slot generated enough discussion to warrant a flip

 

[Badalight]

FS willing wj survival into existence

 

[Rej]

Unless people save me against my wishes, I'm definitely dead.

why you think you are dead? have you all seen these hyper towny claims?

 

[Ratchet]

How likely do you think all of WJ, FS, Bada and Raven are scummates, btw?

It's possible but I doubt it.

 

[Didi]

1. We are in a multiball once threads merge

2. Scum doctors don't only exist in multiball, if town has a vig/multiple killing abilities that can be enough to warrant a scum doctor

Yeah, Favs X, which I hosted, had a scum doctor and it was not multiball, town and indies just had a lot of killshots

 

[Firestormer]

FS willing wj survival into existence

Well how about I ask: @Shizune, can you confirm that Worm Juice will be executed should they receive the most votes and it won't just go to a lesser poster for activity levels? I think this is important game info we may need to be aware of

 

[hammer]

are you dumb? why you out the doctor?

guys, this one here is scum!

if I was scum I'd just fucking kill you instead of outing you as a doctor.

the thing is there must be scum within the active players, ofc there is scum within the LHFs, but what does it bring going after LHFs instead of finding the scum midst the actives? that is not how you play a PoE game

fair

 

[Rej]

1. We are in a multiball once threads merge

2. Scum doctors don't only exist in multiball, if town has a vig/multiple killing abilities that can be enough to warrant a scum doctor

point, can't deny that

 

[Rej]

if I was scum I'd just fucking kill you instead of outing you as a doctor.

unless you are indie and like to see town burn lmao

 

[hammer]

unless you are indie and like to see town burn lmao

im more pro town when im a anti town indi

 

[hammer]

literally, if you see me leading town, im usually the serial killer/arsonist pretending not using any actions because modkilled player roles are hidden.

 

[Shizune]

Well how about I ask: @Shizune, can you confirm that Worm Juice will be executed should they receive the most votes and it won't just go to a lesser poster for activity levels? I think this is important game info we may need to be aware of

The reason I intervened with Cooler and Revan is because there was no strong, popular sentiment against either of them in the thread. This can be seen in them tying the votes with only a meager amount of votes on either of them, but beyond that, nobody was pushing either of them very hard. As long as there is strong, popular sentiment against Worm Juice, I won’t defy that. The time to be active is before you’re eligible for execution, not after.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

why you think you are dead? have you all seen these hyper towny claims?

The super kill aimed my way might have something to do with that.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

SinRaven not posting at all

 

[Ratchet]

SinRaven not posting at all

I kinda wish you investigated someone else.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I didn't post no results before so i shouldn't be messed with, so yeah I'm good with the lynch.

Also my role is not strong so heal Prof from the poison at priority.

 

[Ratchet]

I was planning on tunnelling SinRaven to death Day 5.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I kinda wish you investigated someone else.

Fang already said he was investigating Badalight so i didn't check him,

I kinda wish you investigated someone else.

Who you've in mind btw

 

[Santí]

Ayo us everyone lynching Bada already?

 

[Ratchet]

Fang already said he was investigating Badalight so i didn't check him,

Who you've in mind btw

Hammer, probably.

Ayo us everyone lynching Bada already?

We are lynching SinRaven.

 

[Didi]

Hammer, probably.
We are lynching SinRaven.

any reason for SinRaven pref over Firestormer? because I'm up to being convinced if you have a good reason

 

[charles101]

The reason I intervened with Cooler and Revan is because there was no strong, popular sentiment against either of them in the thread. This can be seen in them tying the votes with only a meager amount of votes on either of them, but beyond that, nobody was pushing either of them very hard. As long as there is strong, popular sentiment against Worm Juice, I won’t defy that. The time to be active is before you’re eligible for execution, not after.

@Firestormer does it change your stance?

 

[charles101]

any reason for SinRaven pref over Firestormer? because I'm up to being convinced if you have a good reason

FS is found guilty by me, Raven is found guilty by YoTanWa. Both are equally proved to be scum. Personally I'm going with FS because i know 100% i'm not lying, so is YTW with Raven i guess. Basically there's no strong reason to pick one over another from uniformed pov, imo. Raven was more suspicious so far but on the other hand i'm also possibly (not 100%) dying tonight if i'm not getting that confirmation. So yeah, read and decide for yourself i guess

 

[Didi]

FS is found guilty by me, Raven is found guilty by YoTanWa. Both are equally proved to be scum. Personally I'm going with FS because i know 100% i'm not lying, so is YTW with Raven i guess. Basically there's no strong reason to pick one over another from uniformed pov, imo. Raven was more suspicious so far but on the other hand i'm also possibly (not 100%) dying tonight if i'm not getting that confirmation. So yeah, read and decide for yourself i guess

I have, I wanted Ratchet's opinion.

 

[Ratchet]

any reason for SinRaven pref over Firestormer? because I'm up to being convinced if you have a good reason

How much do you trust my competency in this game?

 

[Ratchet]

Because I had Sin as a strong scum read prior to the guilty.

 

[Didi]

fair enough

[Vote Lynch Sinraven]

 

[hammer]

ill vote for sin for now since we have info on confirmed scum

[vote lynch sinraven]

 

[Ratchet]

ill vote for sin for now since we have info on confirmed scum

[vote lynch sinraven]

I'm curious as to why you didn't apply this standard to Firestormer earlier.

 

[hammer]

I'm curious as to why you didn't apply this standard to Firestormer earlier.

because I wasn't paying attention due to me doing my masters work I was to focused on me and ekko tunneling each other.

 

[Fang]

Why are we not lynching someone confirmed scum like Worm Juice again?

 

[charles101]

Can we at least have FS as 2nd spot in case of another failing electric boogaloo?

 

[charles101]

^failimg lynch

 

[Santí]

Who told you all you get is extra points? Maybe they Control your abilities or exchanged extra vote for rolecop or anything. I have active ability to give scum extra vote power and protection to gain something from that. It's not weird at all.

My interpretation of this is you're more likely to be an indie with his own agenda/win-con than a townie if this is the case.

FS is found guilty by me, Raven is found guilty by YoTanWa. Both are equally proved to be scum. Personally I'm going with FS because i know 100% i'm not lying, so is YTW with Raven i guess. Basically there's no strong reason to pick one over another from uniformed pov, imo.

Ignoring all other information, sure. But we're not uninformed, FS has ability interactions which indicates townie far more than an anti-town. I don't understand why you're creating a false equivalency like this when Nitty just recently clarified that redirected investigations will give the wrong result on the target you've chosen.

SinRaven is clearly the better lynch here.

Why are we not lynching someone confirmed scum like Worm Juice again?

Because he's up for execute.

 

[Santí]

And after SinRaven, Bada should be up for second lynch

 

[Ekkologix]

i got blocked and vote silenced

 

[Ekkologix]

so sin confirmed scum?

any quick summary pls

voting in spirit

vote lynch sin

vote execute worm

 

[Ratchet]

Why are we not lynching someone confirmed scum like Worm Juice again?

Worm juice is the execution target.

@hammer Fair enough.

 

[hammer]

honestly everyone in my masters class hates our one teacher we all had 3.4 up and in her class the best grade is like a 2.5 T-T

 

[Ratchet]

so sin confirmed scum?

any quick summary pls

voting in spirit

vote lynch sin

vote execute worm

Just read really, but Charlie claims a guilty on Firestormer, Bada claims that his action on Firestormer was redirected to Iwan, Prof said he has mech evidence on you being Town, Yo Tan claimed a Guilty on Sin. Did claimed Innocent on hammer, I think. Hammer says Rej protected you.

 

[hammer]

yes rej protected ekko

 

[DrProfessor83]

See, one post you say your actions got redirected from Iwan to firestormer and now you claim that you don't believe that your actions could be redirected or you believe that's the case. But you are literally contradicting what you said earlier. You even said not long ago that your second ability got redirected. But now you say you don't' believe redirect would work on you?

Here are the receipts that contradicts what you just have stated.







Which one is it? you got redirected or not? and if not then what was that thing regarding iwan/firestormer that you brought out about? you literally reek now tbh. You need to be vigged imo.

You either weren’t really reading or twisting things to make this post. Twisting things is something you were doing as scum in Ratchet’s game that had me suspicious of you.

I thought you looked much better yesterday, especially going after Sinraven so you’re not a hard scum read yet, but this post ping’d me quite a bit. (Although probably moot if Bada is scum lol).

You’re down the totem pole here but I’m not gonna let this post slide/be forgotten lol.

Worm Juice making sure they post enough to avoid the execution despite having the most votes like Cooler and Rezan did before, I'm gonna be proactive and helpful and go

[Vote lynch Worm Juice]
[Vote execute Iwandesu]

I hate this post lol. I saw you tried to justify it later and even got ahead of the “open wolfing” accusations but that doesn’t make me like it any less.

[Vote Lynch Firestormer]
I see no reason to doubt charles' claim, though I am trusting our ghost Ratchet in that he claimed charles wouldn't pull such an act as scum

My execute is already on WJ

If Sin is scum and not Firestormer Didi has to go lol. Probably has to go at some point anyway but that would be a camel’s straw.

>actions on me keep failing and last day the lynch got directed away from me to a townie but I'm not scum!

Please stop the charade Worm Juice, it's pathetic

This ping’d me as some possible distancing.

Do you scum read Didi then?

Yeah I do. From a wagon shifting/formation perspective I find it weird that Plat became the Worm counter wagon instead of just sticking on Didi. But that wasn’t something I felt was infallible.

But I’m pretty sure Sin is scum and Sin was one of the people insisting that Plat was a Worm counter and not a Didi counter (which it was). Then we have Sin’s Night lynch play and move to Odd and refusal to go Didi. If Sin is scum his play around Didi starts to make sense if they’re teammates.

Then we have Didi trying to go Firestormer here over Sin (although Firestormer may well be scum and I scum read them individually, just less so than Sin). Both being scum doesn’t mean Didi isn’t scum for me

All that said I thought the message thing with Wolf on N2 gave him some townie points. But not nearly enough to override everything else at this point.

honestly I just wanted to see how the day would unfold and how people would react

was only a 1% chance I was actually gonna keep both my votes there

What did you get out of the reaction?/what were you hoping to get?

agree with pretty much all of this

Imo order should be WJ (exceute) > Iwan (lynch) > SR > FS

And closer looks into the others. That said, we are taking claims at face value from two people who are not cleared themselves. With the FS one especially there are possible shenanigans with redirects as outlined by what happened to me.

If Iwan is town this is a terrible post. (Could well be scum tho and if so then I actually think it’s a favorable post)
-

Think hammer is leaning into this Ekko tunnel stuff a little too hard (like it’s busy work). But he’s lower in my scum POE. I give some town points for how he’s been claiming his actions (which seems counter intuitive as scum) but that only goes so far.

I think there are a good number of scum in Sin - Didi - Firestormer - Iwan - Bada - Hammer - JW (if Didi is town maybe)

FOS on SoulKiller.

Hero has dropped significantly as a Town read for me with how his play is falling off, if we have a deeper wolf I could see it being him.

 

[charles101]

My interpretation of this is you're more likely to be an indie with his own agenda/win-con than a townie if this is the case.

That was my interpretation too. My role over all is the least town role I've ever had. Basically i'm supposed to find guilty people, hide from everyone thatnI know that and try to play them into believing i'm on their side and then reveal everyone. Like I'm supposed to make them believe i'm super GF or something like that. That could work within multiball but against 1 mafia? Nah. So I decided i won't be able to pull it off and i'll just stay on investigating people.

N1 - Lalisa, got no result cause she died
N2 - Lord Melkor innocent
N3 - Firestormer guilty

Nitty just recently clarified that redirected investigations will give the wrong result on the target you've chosen

So my result might be wrong but Yo's isn't? I haven't seen anyone discussing that. And again, why would anyone bus drive FS out of all people.

 

[Didi]

Absolutely cannot believe there are still people doubting I'm town with how open I've been but whatever, stay paranoid

 

[hammer]

Absolutely cannot believe there are still people doubting I'm town with how open I've been but whatever, stay paranoid

obviously they're all openly scum

 

[Ratchet]

Charlie Firestormer will flip soon. I promise you that.

Agree with Prof on Soul. He is no longer a Town read and barely clinging onto Null.

Still lean Town on Hero.

 

[Ekkologix]

Just read really, but Charlie claims a guilty on Firestormer, Bada claims that his action on Firestormer was redirected to Iwan, Prof said he has mech evidence on you being Town, Yo Tan claimed a Guilty on Sin. Did claimed Innocent on hammer, I think. Hammer says Rej protected you.

so the guilty is on iwan? do we trust bada?

i dont trust didi or his results tbh. still think hammer scum

 

[Santí]

So my result might be wrong but Yo's isn't? I haven't seen anyone discussing that. And again, why would anyone bus drive FS out of all people.

I have mechanical reason to believe yours might be wrong, I can't speak against Yoh's.

 

[Ratchet]

so the guilty is on iwan? do we trust bada?

i dont trust didi or his results tbh. still think hammer scum

We don't know if the guilty is on Iwan. It's either Firestormer or Iwan.

 

[Didi]

I thought Bada claimed that Iwan redirected to Firestormer, not the other way around

 

[Worm Juice]

honestly everyone in my masters class hates our one teacher we all had 3.4 up and in her class the best grade is like a 2.5 T-T

2.5 out of what?

 

[hammer]

2.5 out of what?

gpa

 

[Ekkologix]

We don't know if the guilty is on Iwan. It's either Firestormer or Iwan.

if bada's action on firestormer got redirected to iwan then the guilty likely did too
why is bada targeting firestormer anyway. he never displayed a scum read of him before iirc

 

[hammer]

2.5 out of what?

gpa

so like all of our other teachers where giving us Bs and As and she gave everyone a D-

 

[Ekkologix]

unless positive action, but he did not strongly town read firestormer either

 

[charles101]

Absolutely cannot believe there are still people doubting I'm town with how open I've been but whatever, stay paranoid

Who are your 3 Innocent results again?

 

[DrProfessor83]

if bada's action on firestormer got redirected to iwan then the guilty likely did too
why is bada targeting firestormer anyway. he never displayed a scum read of him before iirc

You have it opposite. Bada claims targeting Iwan and hitting FS.

 

[Didi]

Who are your 3 Innocent results again?

kira
santi
hammer
john wayne

 

[Ekkologix]

You have it opposite. Bada claims targeting Iwan and hitting FS.

so which one is it. ratchet is saying other way around lol

 

[charles101]

I thought Bada claimed that Iwan redirected to Firestormer, not the other way around

if bada's action on firestormer got redirected to iwan then the guilty likely did too
why is bada targeting firestormer anyway. he never displayed a scum read of him before iirc

This could be only happening if Iwan and FS were busdriven.

Why? Would anyone bus drive these 2 people? I'd rather believe Bada was redirected assuming he's saying truth